BUY, BUY BELANGER

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 12:06PM

The Oilers have placed centre Eric Belanger on waivers for the purpose of buying out the final year of his contract.
When the Oilers signed Belanger two years ago, many felt he was a good addition. He'd help win faceoffs and he could chip in around 30 points. He was great in the dots, winning 55% of his draws his first year and 53% this past season, but he only had 4 goals in 104 games over two seasons. His offence was non-existent.

When he was signed I mentioned the one concern former teammates and organizations said was that he wasn't considered a great dressing room guy. That turned out be accurate. He wasn't a distraction, he didn't yell at this teammates or cause friction, he just had a negative auru about him. You know the type.

That wasn't the reason he was let go, four goals in 104 games was the main one, but the Oilers are trying to "cleanse" their dressing room and they decided they'd be better off without him.

This was an easy decision for the Oilers. I know they don't have a faceoff specialist to replace him, but winning faceoffs didn't result in more scoring chances. Belanger's advanced stats were horrendous despite winning faceoffs.

I don't believe in ripping a player when he leaves town, but I've mentioned for over a year that Belanger was a detriment to this team and this is one decision that I 100% agree with for the Oilers.

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  •  Darren Dreger tweeted the Stars and Bruins have a huge trade in the works involving Tyler Seguin and Loui Eriksson. Jim Nill and Joe Sakic have made some significant moves right away since grabbing the reigns in Dallas and Colorado. The next week should be highly entertaining for hockey fans.  

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#101 G Money
July 04 2013, 03:07PM
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DSF wrote:

Projecting Gagner's numbers over an 82 game season is a fool's game.

In the last 10 games of the season, when the games mattered, he scored 2 assists...both of them second assists.

He has always disappeared for long stretches.

Suggesting his plus/minus would be much better is also questionable....Dallas' defense hasn't been stellar either.

LOL, he has cold AND hot streaks. If he puts up 2 points in ten games, it's just as possible he rips out two dozen points in the next ten to bring his points level up to his overall PPG. That's how streakiness works, and that is exactly why you can project a player's 82 game numbers more accurately than a 10 or 20 game segment.

It's *easily* possible for Gagner to put up 65 points in a full season next year. He may put up 60, he may put up 70, that range fits extremely well with a bell curve of reasonable projections for his age and stage of development, and his season PPG from this year.

Just to add some data to the equation, these are the PPG rates for Eriksson from ages 21-27, and Sammy's PPG rates from 18-23:

Eriksson: 0.32, 0.45, 0.77 (23 yr old), 0.87, 0.92, 0.87, 0.60

Gagner: 0.62, 0.54, 0.61, 0.61, 0.63, 0.79 (23 yr old)

Note that young Gags outperformed Eriksson at every comparable age, and also outperformed him on a full year basis this year (27 vs 23 y.o. seasons).

So yeah ... I doubt young Sammy will ever be as good defensively as Eriksson, but he's more than capable of matching or exceeding him from a scoring point of view.

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#102 oilerjed
July 04 2013, 03:08PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

I didn't suggest Gagner would have scored 0G and 10P in a full 82 game season.

Just reminding you that he has often vanished for extended periods of time throughout his carer so projecting based on half a season isn't vey useful.

You would also do well to remember that he scores in massive bunches, so in the end it is kind of moot. If the points are there the points are there. Lots of really good NHLers score in bunches.

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#103 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 03:08PM
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I read somewhere on here that Horton wants a quiet, non-traditional hockey city to play in. There's no bigger fishbowl in the NHL than Edmonton, it's about as traditional a hockey market as you can get.

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#104 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 03:08PM
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DSF wrote:

C'mon Wes.

Loui Eriksson is better than Gagner all day long and Joe Morrow is at least as good a prospect as Marincin. Remember Boston also got two pretty good prospects in the trade.

Where would Gagner play in Boston when their top 3 centres are Bergeron, Krecji and Kelly?

Boston is in "win now" mode and Eriksson fits the bill perfectly, replacing Nathan Horton.

As for Dallas, they will likely run a top line of Benn-Seguin-Nichushkin, a second line of Whitney-Peverley-Chiasson and a third line of Roussel-Eakin-Cole.

Should be fun to watch.

True, and I agree with what your saying, my point was more of a indictment of MacTavish sitting on his hands.

I don't know for sure what the Oilers could have offered, but a deal could have been made.

Boston wanted a RW , Gagner could move to the wing as indicated by MacTavish or you have Eberle.

Centre is such a black hole right now the Oilers are hoping to do it on the cheap.

Don't make sense.

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#105 Rama Lama
July 04 2013, 03:08PM
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fig pucker wrote:

wow horton in columbus, pretty bad when the blue jackets look better than us. what and we can't put together a competitive package to get in on the seguin deal? i guess we don't need centre men. here's the blocbuster move mac t is talking about, we'll go from finishing 23rd overall to 22nd or dare i say 21st, alright everyone try and hold back your excitment as we settle in for 8yrs with no playoffs.

Hey Pig Pucker...........relax mang, it's only Thursday, tomorrow is the big day and I'm sure the all's quiet at the Oilers HO will erupt after 10:00 am.

Quiet could mean big things for tomorrow.........or we could sign the next Belenger at a more cap friendly amount? Either way it will be fun!

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#106 OilClog
July 04 2013, 03:09PM
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@DSF

Many players endlessly vanish throughout points of the season.

Let's forget the fact that Sam, for the other 38games played he had 36 points.. why would anyone want to look at that body of work.. it only tells a completely different tale then the constant garbage that you spew forth.

I mean, the MVP of the league had how many points in the first 10 games of the season?

Gagner improves every year, to deny, and act like Sam Gagner isn't a good hockey player.. you should really think about spending your time doing other things.. maybe since you're on Vancouver island.. and probably near Garden city here... try your hand at Gardening. Might be a better look for ya ;)

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#107 madjam
July 04 2013, 03:10PM
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Steven wrote:

Magically, Teams like Colorado, Calgary and Dallas have taken strides to improve their teams through active management. So far, MacTavish has accomplished next to nothing. Yet the fans seem to console themselves by the classic "they were asking too much" or even worse, the "there's still time to make a move." The whole organization and its fan base exude defeatism and are satisfied with mediocrity. Demand better.

Concur with your sentiments to date . Waiting for the excess garbage does little to improve on ice product . He has been active but not successful .

Blockbuster trade - can't believe the Bruins gave up on Seguin so early . That could backfire easily on them as early as next year . Better for Dallas than Boston in my estimation . Too bad we didn't get in on that .

Will Gagner crack 100 points this year with additional time and upper line opportunities ? A paltry 1.25 Pts. a game for his breakout year .Maybe he will go where Hemsky did not go . DSF could be eating a lot of crow this year if Sam does .

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#108 TeeVee
July 04 2013, 03:18PM
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The Canadiens finally found romance.

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#109 G Money
July 04 2013, 03:18PM
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madjam wrote:

Concur with your sentiments to date . Waiting for the excess garbage does little to improve on ice product . He has been active but not successful .

Blockbuster trade - can't believe the Bruins gave up on Seguin so early . That could backfire easily on them as early as next year . Better for Dallas than Boston in my estimation . Too bad we didn't get in on that .

Will Gagner crack 100 points this year with additional time and upper line opportunities ? A paltry 1.25 Pts. a game for his breakout year .Maybe he will go where Hemsky did not go . DSF could be eating a lot of crow this year if Sam does .

Heh heh ... I am a fan of Gagner and think he's an excellent young (still young!) hockey player. But 100 points??? Come on man!

Based on his development curve, I would not be surprised if he puts up 70 pts (0.8 ppg) next season. I also would not be surprised if he puts up 60 pts next seasons (0.73 ppg). Outside of that range, and you're arguing for a very dramatic change in the curve, up or down. Possible, but really really unlikely.

BTW, DSF does not eat crow - he's been served a buffet of that particular bird 100+ times that I can recall, and he always magically disappears ... must be to the bathroom ... maybe he has a UTI?

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#110 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 03:18PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

You have to think the Bruins were looking for big wingers to complement their existing Centres. Gagner doesn't suit that team need, and next year's first rounder, while valuable, is probably not going to tickle a GM who is looking to win this coming year. Marincin is just a prospect at this point.

As I said to DSF it was more of what the Oilers could offer BOS, a trade is there IF the Oilers want to trade player for player.

Oilers want players on the cheap without subtracting from the current line up.

If you want an elite 1-B centre it's going to cost something, moving Eberle and shifting Gagner to the wing would have been a flawless and smart move for an elite centre.

As for Marincin BOS traded for prospects so that's a wash, which I figured it would be.

I'm not saying I would trade Eberle but the Oilers have to thinking this way.

As for big players vs players with skill, I think we've beaten that to death.

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#111 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 03:26PM
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15w40 wrote:

He has a conviction - "The Oilers are bad - everybody that plays, drafts, manages, or coaches in the organization are bad" Even those that used to be good - Peter Mueller are now bad because they MIGHT play for the Oilers. Mueller went from useful player to "sloppy seconds" in a big hurry.

This applies in both present and past tense for all personnel.

Unless they move on to play for the Canucks.... Then it's an amazing value move ala Barker!

Also ask him for a list of things booked... It's an amazing read of misses.

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#112 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 03:27PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Even if Gagner got 70 points a season, I'd prefer Eriksson's consistency instead of Gags scorching hot streaks and dry cold snaps.

Seems the quiet, conserved Nil has one-uped the slightly presumptuous, boisterous silver fox.

If Nichushkin is their 1st line LW that is a problem. Paajarvi has all the tools that Nichy has, speed, size, and the rest, and he hasn't lit the world on fire.

Sorry Sean.

Paajarvi will not drive the net like Nichushkin will, one of the major downfall of Paajarvi was tat he was a perimeter player.

Nichushkin won't be. Raw yes, better upside though.

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#113 tileguy
July 04 2013, 03:30PM
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@RamaLama

don't forget Patrick O'Sullivan

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#114 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 03:34PM
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@6 ring circus

Your contribution is muchly appreciated. If not for people like yourself, we'd all be complaining about our AHL team.

Hope there are better days ahead for people like yourselves.

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#115 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 03:36PM
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The only obvious solution for this club now is to trade for Weber. Would fix all their problems!

Mac T makes a bold move trading away at least 2 of the kids, then people can finally get off his balls about not making any trades.

They also get their number one D man.

Obviously a win win for Mac T.

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#116 OilClog
July 04 2013, 03:38PM
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I actually liked Anson Carter.. He wasn't perfect, but he certainly was far from a bad Oiler. If he posted anywhere near the numbers that Belanger did, then I wouldn't say this. But I'm pretty sure he was a solid 20g scorer for us..

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#117 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 03:41PM
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Hey Jason

Just wondering if there was a cost at all affiliated with your taking ownership of the Belanger triangle. Did it come at the cost of any opportunities to get material from Eric? Did it create some friction between the both of you?

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#118 Bucknuck
July 04 2013, 03:44PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

As I said to DSF it was more of what the Oilers could offer BOS, a trade is there IF the Oilers want to trade player for player.

Oilers want players on the cheap without subtracting from the current line up.

If you want an elite 1-B centre it's going to cost something, moving Eberle and shifting Gagner to the wing would have been a flawless and smart move for an elite centre.

As for Marincin BOS traded for prospects so that's a wash, which I figured it would be.

I'm not saying I would trade Eberle but the Oilers have to thinking this way.

As for big players vs players with skill, I think we've beaten that to death.

Yes Eberle would probably make Boston take a good hard look. I was assuming that Eberle, Hall, RNH, Yakupov, and Schultz were off limits.

Gagner and Seguin have a lot of the same skill sets (and lack therof in faceoffs) so I am not convinced that Boston would be tempted by him. Hemsky is too expensive for them, and Pajaarvi is not in the same league as Eriksson. at all.

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#119 MKE
July 04 2013, 03:46PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Well I was trying to be civil, but some days you're absolutely right.

Sorry DSF, but I'm pretty sure I remember you saying we should draft Seguin over Hall. Hindsight's 20/20, but I'll take Hall any day of the week.

Same here. For me its not even close. Hall all the way. Hall will be a future MVP winner, and Seguin will be the new whipping boy in Dallas in two years.

Seguin will get moved again before the end of this new deal. And at that point Dallas will be happy to see him go.

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#120 15w40
July 04 2013, 03:47PM
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Hopefully management is spending the vast majority of its resources trying to complete useful trades.

Whale hunting in the UFA market will be futile. Bit player UFA's might come to Edmonton; Horton, Clarkson et-al will not be signing with the Oilers.

Trying to pry Chris Stewart loose from the Blues would be a good idea.

A line of Hall - Gagner - Stewart would look pretty good IMHO.

Issue is, that either Gagner or Pajaarvi would have to be part of the package going back. Stewart holds a lot of value to the Blues

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#121 Rama Lama
July 04 2013, 03:52PM
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OilClog wrote:

I actually liked Anson Carter.. He wasn't perfect, but he certainly was far from a bad Oiler. If he posted anywhere near the numbers that Belanger did, then I wouldn't say this. But I'm pretty sure he was a solid 20g scorer for us..

IF there was one guarantee it was if there ever was a loose puck, AC was never going to have it on his stick.

The guy had the heart of a fly...........almost as usless as a corndog in the toilet!

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#122 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 03:53PM
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Have to wonder if Seguin leaving the Bruins, is similar to when Ryan Whitney was unexpectedly moved from the Pittsburgh Penguins with his ankle/foot issue. Should be interesting to see if Tyler is being quietly shopped again in the next few seasons.

There still could be hope Seguin will play along side of Taylor Hall yet.

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#123 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 03:55PM
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Well, let's say that the Oilers did acquire Tyler Seguin. Let's also assume that each of the kids have similar $6 mill per year contracts after all entry level deals have expired. Between Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and Seguin, that's $30 million. Not a whole lot left to fill out the rest of your team. If Seguin bombs, and you're up against the cap, you're possibly in the tough situation of having to move one of the other 4 kids. The Seguin contract would be unmovable in the situation.

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#124 MKE
July 04 2013, 03:56PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to wonder if Seguin leaving the Bruins, is similar to when Ryan Whitney was unexpectedly moved from the Pittsburgh Penguins with his ankle/foot issue. Should be interesting to see if Tyler is being quietly shopped again in the next few seasons.

There still could be hope Seguin will play along side of Taylor Hall yet.

I think in three years time people will be greatful they didn't trade for him

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#125 madjam
July 04 2013, 03:56PM
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I think if MacT. did have a bold move imminent it was probably already squashed, or i'm sure it would have been done/announced by now . At Hockey Insider any trades we might have been persuing sounds like we are not in the running (mention gone ) any more . Ottawa going in big on Clarkson by the sounds of it and Philly leading in Emery race . Calgary still active as well . Absence of Oilers getting upsetting . Montreal lands Briere for 2years @ $4M/season . To the victors go the spoils !

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#126 Rama Lama
July 04 2013, 03:57PM
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tileguy wrote:

don't forget Patrick O'Sullivan

Good addition...........I always had a soft spot for him due to his father. The kid was damaged goods long before he came to the Oilers.

I believe as a a person he was special..........as a hockey player, not so much.

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#127 michael
July 04 2013, 03:58PM
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The Leafs are as an organization in the upper echelon of the stupid scale. My goodness you buy a guy out 1 year after signing him to a 5 year deal. Who does that. Paul Holmgren? Awful asset management. Belanger was death to whoever he played with. Good luck to him wherever he goes. Because here all he had to bring was a whole lotta of bad luck. Chris Stewart. A deal there to be had? Nichushkin. Make a deal for one of our young dmen. Marincin or Petry. Dallas just traded away their best prospect in Morrow. Its going to be wild tomorrow.Can't wait.

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#128 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 04:03PM
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MKE wrote:

I think in three years time people will be greatful they didn't trade for him

With the way imformation gets leaked in todays game. It's no wonder deals like this get done under the cover of darkness. I'm sure Chiarelli may have done better/gotten more if he made it known Tyler was available.

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#129 MKE
July 04 2013, 04:04PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

With the way imformation gets leaked in todays game. It's no wonder deals like this get done under the cover of darkness. I'm sure Chiarelli may have done better/gotten more if he made it known Tyler was available.

I'd assume he let every other GM know he was available. If not he's a moron. Plus there were rumors about him being available the day before the draft too. So clearly something got out

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#130 Rocket
July 04 2013, 04:07PM
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Briere to The Canadiens? How come The Oilers can't get good playoff performing UFA's?

Oh right, they have to make the playoffs first.

Friday can't come soon enough.

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#131 Steven
July 04 2013, 04:11PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Okay then, what crazy suggestions do you have that you think the Oil should do?

See. This is my point: instead of holding MacTavish accountable - for what he says, what he does and what he does not do - the MacTavish apologists blame his critics for, well, expecting him to do what he says he will - the nerve, I know. Putting responsibility on his critics for having too high expectations (which is rarely the case, few fans have sounded more ambitious than MacTavish himself) instead of on MacTavish is a profound inversion of logic, a perversion which comes out of a culture of mediocrity and defeatism.

The apologists also employ another perverted logic: they congratulate MacTavish on the actions he did not do. Upon his hiring, he didn't outline an ambitious plan of non-action, nor will at the end of the year he'll triumphantly say "we made big steps as team this summer, look at all the moves I didn't do!"

Ultimately, and at the end of the day, he has, so far, failed to deliver - on anything. There are two possible reasons for it: 1) he was insincere about his "bold" plans, or 2) his inexperience caused him to underestimate the difficulty in acquiring players (for a number of reasons like tipping his hand to the media, or other GMs trying to play with him, or just simply not having the negotiation skills). I think the concensus is on number 2. Regardless, oiler fans ought to hold him accountable for improving the team. And if he can't, then maybe they should get someone who can.

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#132 SrCain
July 04 2013, 04:26PM
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15w40 wrote:

He has a conviction - "The Oilers are bad - everybody that plays, drafts, manages, or coaches in the organization are bad" Even those that used to be good - Peter Mueller are now bad because they MIGHT play for the Oilers. Mueller went from useful player to "sloppy seconds" in a big hurry.

This applies in both present and past tense for all personnel.

Lmao true, I never looked at it that way. He is very strong on that one.

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#133 fig pucker
July 04 2013, 04:36PM
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MKE wrote:

It's not even July 5th yet! He never promised he would do anything at the draft. Give the guy a chance for crying out loud!

look there are three main times to make a deal 1) the draft 2) free agency and 3) the trade deadline. the draft was a bust, horton, clowe and clarkson aren't or won't be comming so free agency likly will be to. he missed the boat on the seguin deal, philadelphia looks like they're going to have cap issues why are there no rumblings of a trade for cotourier (draft picks and prospects) ? we don't need to take it easy on mact, he's missing the boat big time.

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#134 Smokey
July 04 2013, 04:43PM
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fig pucker wrote:

look there are three main times to make a deal 1) the draft 2) free agency and 3) the trade deadline. the draft was a bust, horton, clowe and clarkson aren't or won't be comming so free agency likly will be to. he missed the boat on the seguin deal, philadelphia looks like they're going to have cap issues why are there no rumblings of a trade for cotourier (draft picks and prospects) ? we don't need to take it easy on mact, he's missing the boat big time.

Cause there is no one in their right mind that trades a stud 20 year old future stud center. Oh wait.

Holmgren won't trade him on ELC. And we don't have pieces outside the kids he wants. You want him, the conversation starts with Yak or Ebs.

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#135 MKE
July 04 2013, 04:44PM
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fig pucker wrote:

look there are three main times to make a deal 1) the draft 2) free agency and 3) the trade deadline. the draft was a bust, horton, clowe and clarkson aren't or won't be comming so free agency likly will be to. he missed the boat on the seguin deal, philadelphia looks like they're going to have cap issues why are there no rumblings of a trade for cotourier (draft picks and prospects) ? we don't need to take it easy on mact, he's missing the boat big time.

Hardly anyone made deals at the draft. And why on earth would the Flyers trade Couturier?

If you say for cap reasons...his cap hit isn't even 1.5 million!! You don't move a guy with a tiny cap hit if you are having cap issues.

They need to move a much bigger contract then that.

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#136 TV6
July 04 2013, 04:45PM
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I'm a BIG MacT as G.M. supporter, but if that Belanger buy-out is a amnesty buy-out, then MacT has made his 1st BIG mistake of his G.M. career.

The $$$ difference is negligible, & it's a complete & utter waste of a useful asset.

I am going to be mighty pissed if this is not a regular buy-out scenario.

x6

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#137 Smokey
July 04 2013, 04:47PM
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Fig pucker, would u do Yak for SC and Coburn. I would.

Don't roast me to bad.

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#138 madjam
July 04 2013, 04:47PM
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Be patient ? Doesn't the sound of it just make you sick ? ON has been patient far too long - over 3 years . When a new Gm says he going to deliver and fail on draft day to do so , then everyone has a right to bellyache -and so they should . Time to deliver on GMs goals has already been past tense . Some need to go preach their patience elsewhere . The rest of us want to see results , not a bunch of unfulfilled oral diarrhea .

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#139 DonDon
July 04 2013, 04:49PM
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fig pucker wrote:

wow horton in columbus, pretty bad when the blue jackets look better than us. what and we can't put together a competitive package to get in on the seguin deal? i guess we don't need centre men. here's the blocbuster move mac t is talking about, we'll go from finishing 23rd overall to 22nd or dare i say 21st, alright everyone try and hold back your excitment as we settle in for 8yrs with no playoffs.

Yes, it appears Columbus now will be a more favourable team than the Oilers for UFA in that Columbus is now in the Eastern Conference -- easier travelling schedule for players. Also, it isn't a hockey centre, so there is less scrutiny and definitely less pressure to perform than in mad Canadian hockey centres.

I believe MacT is quite intelligent, but he is a rookie GM and has already made at least one big mistake so far: Getting the Oiler fans' expectations beyond his experiences and capabilities as a GM.

I don't think anyone should be surprised if the Oilers miss the playoffs for the 8th consecutive time. It will take much longer than this season for the rebuild to be properly completed and the Oil to be a contender for the SCP.

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#140 MKE
July 04 2013, 04:49PM
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@TV6

Who else would you have them buy out? And clearly there wasn't a market for Belanger. If they had been, he would have been moved.

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#141 Smokey
July 04 2013, 04:49PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

When is it time to panic ? Training camp?mid season ? the trade deadline ? How much longer do the Oilers think the fab 5 will want to stick around this gong show? This is beyond ridiculous ,Mac T should of kept his mouth shut instead of getting everyone's hopes up!!! One last thing, hey K Lowe how's those 6 Stanley cups you have working out in building a winner?

Cant hear u. He's got 2 rings stuck in his ears.

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#142 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 04:50PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Yes Eberle would probably make Boston take a good hard look. I was assuming that Eberle, Hall, RNH, Yakupov, and Schultz were off limits.

Gagner and Seguin have a lot of the same skill sets (and lack therof in faceoffs) so I am not convinced that Boston would be tempted by him. Hemsky is too expensive for them, and Pajaarvi is not in the same league as Eriksson. at all.

I tend to agree for the most part, I have to think Seguin ceiling is higher though.

I also think Seguin away from the puck might be a better then Gagner.

As for the untouchables, I would love for them to all stay, however I think at some point to cross that threshold of being a good team to a great team someone might have to go.

Hemsky contract right now is what's limiting his movement IMO, both salary and term.

Who wants a 5 per for one season? Buy that down and you might have a case to trade for Hemmer.

I never said trade Paajarvi for Erikson at all?

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#143 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 04:50PM
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I'm a BIG MacT as G.M. supporter, but if that Belanger buy-out is a amnesty buy-out, then MacT has made his 1st BIG mistake of his G.M. career.

The $$$ difference is negligible, & it's a complete & utter waste of a useful asset.

I am going to be mighty pissed if this is not a regular buy-out scenario.

x6

Agreed. $400 K per season for two years is all Belanger would have cost against the cap. I'm thinking it's unlikely we are going to need the cap space, lol, unless MacT goes bonkers tomorrow.

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#144 bazmagoo
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@Walter Sobchak

I'd like to think the Oilers are trying to parlay Hemsky into a reasonable asset, hopefully dangling that they will eat half his salary/cap space next season. That would be bold, so it's unlikely to happen.

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#145 KidsInTheHall!
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Buying out Belanger seems to be the best option for the Oilers I think.

Is Manny Malhotra a viable option do you think? By the sounds of it, he thinks he can still play and the Oilers could use him.

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#146 6 ring circus
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@MKE

Correct me if I am wrong ,Mac t was the one who said Bold moves were coming,that Hemsky and Horcoff were better off findings new team's to play on last time I checked Mac t fired his coach ,drafted the BPA and little else , I am just tried of the Oilers treating its fan base like this and watching this brutal display of hockey for the past 7 years with no play offs and on and on it goes.....I can also do without the arrogance of K Lowe he won those cups playing on a TEAM not as a coach or GM

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Correct me if I am wrong ,Mac t was the one who said Bold moves were coming,that Hemsky and Horcoff were better off finding new team's to play on last time I checked Mac t fired his coach ,drafted the BPA and little else , I am just tried of the Oilers treating its fan base like this and watching this brutal display of hockey for the past 7 years with no play offs and on and on it goes.....I can also do without the arrogance of K Lowe he won those cups playing on a TEAM not as a coach or GM

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#148 Smokey
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Agreed. $400 K per season for two years is all Belanger would have cost against the cap. I'm thinking it's unlikely we are going to need the cap space, lol, unless MacT goes bonkers tomorrow.

I hope MacT pulls a Talon and signs 8 players. and scares the beejibbers outta everyone.

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#149 MKE
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So give the man a chance to deliver. He never said he was going to do anything on draft day. Hardly anyone did anything on draft day.

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#150 OilersBrass
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Steven wrote:

See. This is my point: instead of holding MacTavish accountable - for what he says, what he does and what he does not do - the MacTavish apologists blame his critics for, well, expecting him to do what he says he will - the nerve, I know. Putting responsibility on his critics for having too high expectations (which is rarely the case, few fans have sounded more ambitious than MacTavish himself) instead of on MacTavish is a profound inversion of logic, a perversion which comes out of a culture of mediocrity and defeatism.

The apologists also employ another perverted logic: they congratulate MacTavish on the actions he did not do. Upon his hiring, he didn't outline an ambitious plan of non-action, nor will at the end of the year he'll triumphantly say "we made big steps as team this summer, look at all the moves I didn't do!"

Ultimately, and at the end of the day, he has, so far, failed to deliver - on anything. There are two possible reasons for it: 1) he was insincere about his "bold" plans, or 2) his inexperience caused him to underestimate the difficulty in acquiring players (for a number of reasons like tipping his hand to the media, or other GMs trying to play with him, or just simply not having the negotiation skills). I think the concensus is on number 2. Regardless, oiler fans ought to hold him accountable for improving the team. And if he can't, then maybe they should get someone who can.

You still didn't answer my question...

What do you suggest Mac T does?? Since it's apparently so easy to make things happen, tell everyone here what you would do.

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