HORCOFF TO DALLAS...

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 06:24PM

 

Craig MacTavish's first major move happened today when he traded Shawn Horcoff to the Dallas Stars. Bob McKenzie tweeted that Horcoff is off to Dallas. We found out later via Darren Dreger that Horcoff was moved for D-man Philip Larsen and a 7th round pick in 2016. The Oilers didn't have to eat any salary in the deal, so they just freed up $5.5 million in cap space.
 
This deal isn't a major surprise. MacTavish made it clear a month ago that Horcoff likely wasn't coming back, and Jim Nill told me on my radio show a few weeks ago that he wanted to add a veteran centre.

With the Oilers buying out Belanger and trading Horcoff, it is obvious MacTavish will be adding a centre in free agency or via trade. 

Larsen was a 5th round pick in 2008, and he's played 95 games, including 32 last year. He shots right and is a decent puck mover. This will push Corey Potter further down the depth chart, and should end the speculation that Tom Gilbert will return. The Oilers don't need another non-hitting right-shooting D-man.

This trade allows the Oilers to swing big for David Clarkson, if they choose.

David Clarkson was in Edmonton today to meet with the Oilers, according to Aaron Ward. Price point is going to be the issue with Clarkson. I think most agree he is the type of player the Oilers need, but not at $6 million/year.

Stay tuned.. 

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#1 Zach
July 04 2013, 09:44PM
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madjam wrote:

Comparibles : Seguin was thought to be making far to much cap money to keep him as Bruins slated 3rd line center . He's a very good player like Horcoff is . Difference is we got nothing of consequence for a good talent like Horcoff and the Bruins (cudos to them ) did for Seguin . You really think we didn't get hosed?

I have never commented previously to this, however I feel compelled to do so in order to ridicule one of the worst "comparibles" (sic) anyone has ever had the audacity to propose.

Seguin as a comparable to Horcoff... seriously? That is manifestly ridiculous, requires no counter-argument, and disqualifies you from any further discussion.

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#2 Rocket
July 04 2013, 06:45PM
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Horcoff was a class act that worked extremely hard for his job. Good luck to him & now The Oilers can truly move on.

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#3 sizedoesmatter
July 04 2013, 06:46PM
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Good luck Shawn. All the best, never took a night off.

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#4 spliff
July 04 2013, 06:51PM
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I always liked Horc for the player he is, not the player his salary unfairly made people think he should be.

I'll never forget his OT winner against the Sharks in the '06 playoffs.

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#5 Racki
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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As much as I liked Horcoff, I feel MacTavish performed 3 miracles today:

- he traded Horcoff period.

- he traded Horcoff without getting a bad contract in return

- he traded Horcoff without having to retain salary (it seems).

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#6 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 07:40PM
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Rocket wrote:

I wonder who the captain will be now. Or will they just go with a bunch of alternate captains for a while?

Hall or Gagner for sure.

Yak will be so :D)))))))))))))))) he gets his number 10 now.

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#7 james_dean
July 04 2013, 06:54PM
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One more time

"shirts off for horcoff"

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#8 djc
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Geez DSF can you go jerk off about Gaglardi in private?

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#9 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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DSF wrote:

He's an "actual NHL player" in the same sense that Can Barker is "an actual NHL player".

Dallas had 8 better options and moved him.

Can't fault MacT here...he got $4.5M in cap space for Horcoff...that's gotta be worth something.

Wait he is cheaper then Barker was!!!!

By DSF's logic that means Mac T. Is smarter than the entire Canucks organization...

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#10 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 06:49PM
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So long Mr.Horcoff; I for one wish you the best and thank you for the years of commitment and good play!

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#11 BURROWSHASCRABS
July 04 2013, 09:30PM
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madjam wrote:

The nightmare deal ,one of the worst we have ever done . We sell salary cap , but have to take on a garbage part they want to get rid of and toss ,giving us an additional contract and a 7th round pick to make us feel better . Why even bother with that useless contract ? We got to go that low in additions we'll be lucky to reach 29th spot next year . Discusting .

DUDE! Shut your stupid mouth!!

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#12 Slyers
July 05 2013, 01:22AM
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@madjam

You should be standing on a rock yelling Boss the plane the plane ..... Is your real name tattoo

Cause you are living on fantasy island if you think any of your many ridiculous trade proposals have any Merritt. Both John Shannon and Craig Button said macT was a magician for getting anything for Horcoff.

TB buys out Vinny gets nothing Toronto buys out Gabby gets nothing Vancouver gets stuck with Lou because no one will take on their contracts all much better players but you don't think we got enough for Horcoff .... Go back to screaming at the plane....wow

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#13 MKE
July 04 2013, 06:58PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Look at that Jim Nill go...

He's not one to let that "It's not even July 5th yet, give him a chance" be a reason to hold things up.

It's July 4th, and he's done already. Had MacTavish pegged as that needed to do this.

He waited until July 4th to make a move. And no one is on his case

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#14 oliveoilers
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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Mean Machine wrote:

We got a warm body for Horcoff, be happy. And yes, he played over 50 games with Dallas last year

Over 50 games? In a 48 game season? Count again.

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#15 rob
July 04 2013, 07:29PM
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if we dont eat any cap mact is a genious!!!!!

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#16 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 07:34PM
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If MacT got a young defenceman, a pick, and didn't have to retain any salary/cap he's a bloody genius.

Well done!

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#17 Time Travelling Sean
July 04 2013, 07:42PM
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@gongshow

Maybe it was a honest mistake... this isn't politics where there is 5 surreptitious messages and always a double meaning in everything.

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#18 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:53PM
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@DSF

Haters gonna hate...

Now what did you "book" for Horcoff and the Oilers?

Lol, Dallas got fleeced, the Oil got cap space and a NHL player in a position lacking RHD depth...

Gonna take more than one random blog to ruin this, keep trying though! Maybe you can pull up some stats to prove how amazing Minny was last season as well!

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#19 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:16PM
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@DSF

Except one of those bag of pucks is an actual NHL player...

This must burn on the inside... Where you keep your feelings...

I seem to recall a certain someone predicting we couldn't move Horcoff even if we ate his salary.

I would ask you how being so damn wrong tastes, but you are kind of setting a new record for missed book it's/predictions.

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#20 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 08:50PM
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@DSF

Right, but they also save the $1M on a 7th Dman from having in effect replacing Peckham.

So if, for instance, they signed Grabovski for $3.5M they just a) got a better 3rd line C, b) improved their defensive depth, albeit marginally, and c) still shaved $2M off the cap.

It's a very good outcome.

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#21 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 09:12PM
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dunk7 wrote:

I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

Because they have to...

So many have drawn their self worth from proclaiming how terrible horcoff's contract was and declaring they would never have done it...

Now they have nothing to support their egos with.

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#22 Crackenbury
July 04 2013, 09:12PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

You're the one posting idiotic comments asking why people care about salaries. Put your helmet on and go back to watching baseball.

I don't mind a bit of conversation about player salaries in a cap environment, but it seems that today the first thing people judge a new signing is on the $ instead of what the player brings to the team. It gets a little old listening to the Internet GM's critique the economic ramifications of each signing rather than the players ability and how they fit. Just my opinion.

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#23 David S
July 04 2013, 10:11PM
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madjam wrote:

The nightmare deal ,one of the worst we have ever done . We sell salary cap , but have to take on a garbage part they want to get rid of and toss ,giving us an additional contract and a 7th round pick to make us feel better . Why even bother with that useless contract ? We got to go that low in additions we'll be lucky to reach 29th spot next year . Discusting .

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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#24 quintana
July 04 2013, 11:04PM
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madjam wrote:

Before you all run Horcoff out the door maybe you should all view Horcoff's accomplishments here over the years . Points , W/Championships lock out year and playoffs . Seguin will have to be pretty good to do so well . We were still a much better club with Horc in lineup last season . Horcoff's also had 73 points in a season by the way and occasionally was close to a point a game . He can be proud, and we should be proud of what he did and accomplished here . Captain and special team player every team needs , also union rep and very well spoken . And yes , he does have character despite some that don't care for him and what he has bought us all these years . One thing to run me down , but disrespectfull to be running Horcoff down .

SHUT UP...

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#25 Manfly
July 04 2013, 06:26PM
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FIST!! now watch Horc come back and haunt us for the next few years like some of the ex Oilers seem to do...

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#26 99thOilerfan
July 04 2013, 06:32PM
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Thank you for the heavy lifting, all these years. Best of luck in the future, all the best.

In the end, " once an Oiler, always a Oiler."

Fun Fact: Horcoff age 34, was drafted by the Oilers in the fourth round in 1998.

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#27 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 06:33PM
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Horcoff for Seguin. Nice deal, MacT!

Now Hemsky for Benn would help me sleep like a baby tonight.

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#28 Time Travelling Sean
July 04 2013, 06:42PM
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I feel kinda sad :c End of an era, a bad one, but the only one I know.

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#29 BleedingOil
July 04 2013, 07:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

yes there is. check him out. R hand DMan. 20 points in 95 NHL games. +11

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#30 Mean Machine
July 04 2013, 07:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

We got a warm body for Horcoff, be happy. And yes, he played over 50 games with Dallas last year

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#31 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:30PM
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First is that the time was more than right to trade Horcoff..

Next is that I wish the guy well with Dallas and though the contract was a bad issue itself, this player worked hard for the Oilers with hard lines to face/tough minutes/defence zone faceoffs etc. There were a lot of good times even amidst the bad Shawn and I say thank you for the work ya did and for the best ya tried to do...

Third is that I may be premature to say this... but I say Congrats to Taylor Hall as being the next captain of the Oilers...May ya lead this team from out of the wilderness that it was lost in for the past 7 years... Good Luck.

Now...the centres on this team are listed as RNH, Gagner (likely), then maybe Lander as the 4th. The big gap is at 3rd with hopes for a more experience 4th line centre as well. Lander must come in to the AHL one more time and prove he deserves Oiler work.

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#32 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:35PM
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DSF wrote:

Sergei Gonchar

Alex Goligoski

Stephane Robidas

Trevor Daley

Brendan Dillon

Jordie Benn

Jaimie Oleksiak

Aaron Rome

Kevin Connauton

Cameron Gaunce

Looks a little better than "no defense" to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if they signed another veteran D tomorrow though.

Wow, your a DB tonight. I.don't mind a differing opinion,but the leave DBaggery at the door.

The defence looks about as good as our right now. Need another top 4. Robidas is a fine 3/4. Gogs and Gonchar are soft. After that they got 5/6 and prospect depth.

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#33 Fresh Mess
July 04 2013, 07:42PM
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Credit where due: AMAZING job by Mact on this deal.

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#34 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 07:47PM
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Sounds about exactly how you build an NHL defense.

They could likely use one more big veteran top 4 D.

I'd wager Nill gets one tomorrow.

Kinda slim pickins tho, don't you think?

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#35 Tom
July 04 2013, 07:50PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

Feel better madjam. I bet you have been waiting all day to hit "post comment" on that post, regardless of what the trade was. I hope you put Dallas in the post to begin with. There are some of you who come here that wouldn't be happy with anything MacT did.

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#36 BUCK75
July 04 2013, 07:56PM
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Good-bye Wolf Eyes.

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#37 Johnny
July 04 2013, 08:02PM
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Clarkson is the wrong position.

Anybody remember Eric Cole? How did that work out??

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#38 Smokey
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

clarkson ain't worth $6 mil plus per year with any team in this league...just like Bozak is not worth $40 mil for 8 years...

If the Oilers want Clarkson (which I would love) I would offer up to $4.5 mil a year to maybe $5 mil per yr max...

I hope they go for Gordon, Lapiere (agitator/Pk guy/wins faceoffs), and trade for Zack Smith (for some reason I like this kid too)

I think 5.25 to 5.5 x5 gets it done. Its Malone like, we would like it for 2 years, and hate it the rest. Clark MCarthar sp? at 4-4.5 would be easier to digest. He can score and has some grit.

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#39 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 08:14PM
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Does anyone else feel ten pounds lighter with Horcoff's albatross off the books? We're gonna have to start shelling out more cash for kids soon, the extra 5.5 will be a boon.

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#40 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 08:39PM
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@Crackenbury

People care about salaries because we have 5 big names that are gonna need 5 big paychecks to stay here. Overpaying one guy could mean we have no cap room to re-sign the young talent we just gained from being the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

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#41 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:51PM
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Having a debate with myself about Hall being captain. He's going to be a great captain. But part of me worries whether it's too soon. It's hockey country. People were on MacT's back on his first day on the job as GM.

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#42 Ca$h-Money!
July 04 2013, 09:10PM
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dunk7 wrote:

I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

Agreed.

It's nuts how people are already down on the guy. He's a young dman, projected to be 2 way. Lots of Dmen don't turn the corner unit they are 23 or 24. We can give him a shot in the 6/7/8 spot... worth a shot. He has shown plenty of flashes of solid play.

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#43 shredder
July 04 2013, 09:22PM
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This was an untradeable contract...but MacT pulled it off. Time to praise him and move on. I liked him but heneeded a new environment as he was getting stale here. The dman coming back isn't going to wow anyone but building depth in that role doesn't hurt.

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#44 15w40
July 04 2013, 09:23PM
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MacTavish exceeded expectations in this deal IMHO. Got a lot of cap space for Horcoff and I think he will flourish in Dallas as there won't be this constant anvil of weight around his neck from the fans.

Horcoff is a good 3rd line centre and a good vet by all accounts.

Now the Oilers REALLY have a cavernous hole to fill up the middle.

Boyd Gordon, to me should be getting a phone call ASAP.

A long term deal for Clarkson at $6M per is too much I think but that may be the going rate. The Oilers would likely need to pay at least a 10% premium just to get him to sign here.

Jagr may be a good short term option - if he would sign here. He could roll from the 2nd to the 3rd line pretty easily.

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#45 oliveoilers
July 04 2013, 09:25PM
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This just in, according to Sportsnet tonight: Everybody can go and do other things rather than follow free agent frenzy as the Leafs already have every single UFA, RFA and trades with Dallas locked up, so nobody needs to bother to see what their team is doing.

I was a bit sick in my mouth just watching the T.O./eastern propagander.

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#46 Tom
July 04 2013, 09:30PM
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madjam wrote:

No I was not . On the contrary ,I thought it best to keep him till at least his final year and deal him at the trade deadline to maximize the return if you recall . At half his salary cap hit he is still a very good and effective player - Dallas really lucked out and got a steal of a deal . We , on the other hand , took on a useless contract for a player probably as effective as Plante or Teubert -both slated to get rid of by the sounds of it . I cringe to think what Hemsky might only bring ,they should wait till trade deadline with him as well to get maximum value . we are still going in a negative direction from Hoecoff deal and that's disturbing . Even if we kept Horc and Hemsky we were fine with cap space with enough left over to start improving . Now we hacve more cap space but I defy you to find where we are better with this trade included . Happy 4th of July .

Come on man, you really think that this move is not part of a bigger plan. Free up more cap space then bring in a couple of solid players. Maybe you overpay but it's all about the end result. I am very happy that this shows MacT might actually have a plan. Next up.....

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#47 TeeVee
July 04 2013, 09:31PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Right, but they also save the $1M on a 7th Dman from having in effect replacing Peckham.

So if, for instance, they signed Grabovski for $3.5M they just a) got a better 3rd line C, b) improved their defensive depth, albeit marginally, and c) still shaved $2M off the cap.

It's a very good outcome.

After the swear-fest that Grabovski went on today about being stuck on the 3rd/4th line, I sure hope the Oil don't sign him.

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#48 Johe
July 04 2013, 09:44PM
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madjam wrote:

Comparibles : Seguin was thought to be making far to much cap money to keep him as Bruins slated 3rd line center . He's a very good player like Horcoff is . Difference is we got nothing of consequence for a good talent like Horcoff and the Bruins (cudos to them ) did for Seguin . You really think we didn't get hosed?

What the heck are you talking about? *facepalm*

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#49 Smokey
July 04 2013, 10:15PM
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Zach wrote:

I have never commented previously to this, however I feel compelled to do so in order to ridicule one of the worst "comparibles" (sic) anyone has ever had the audacity to propose.

Seguin as a comparable to Horcoff... seriously? That is manifestly ridiculous, requires no counter-argument, and disqualifies you from any further discussion.

Ya,I agree when has Seguin put up 73 points abd been a first line center on a team that went to the Stanley cup.

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#50 Oilers4ever
July 04 2013, 10:39PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Hall was born ready. That's why they had to pick him over Seguin - he's a champion to the bone.

Agreed. Hallsy is the heart and soul of this team and if he's flying the team tends to go as he does. Nobody else should be the captain of this team for the next 15 years except Hall.

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