HORCOFF TO DALLAS...

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 06:24PM

 

Craig MacTavish's first major move happened today when he traded Shawn Horcoff to the Dallas Stars. Bob McKenzie tweeted that Horcoff is off to Dallas. We found out later via Darren Dreger that Horcoff was moved for D-man Philip Larsen and a 7th round pick in 2016. The Oilers didn't have to eat any salary in the deal, so they just freed up $5.5 million in cap space.
 
This deal isn't a major surprise. MacTavish made it clear a month ago that Horcoff likely wasn't coming back, and Jim Nill told me on my radio show a few weeks ago that he wanted to add a veteran centre.

With the Oilers buying out Belanger and trading Horcoff, it is obvious MacTavish will be adding a centre in free agency or via trade. 

Larsen was a 5th round pick in 2008, and he's played 95 games, including 32 last year. He shots right and is a decent puck mover. This will push Corey Potter further down the depth chart, and should end the speculation that Tom Gilbert will return. The Oilers don't need another non-hitting right-shooting D-man.

This trade allows the Oilers to swing big for David Clarkson, if they choose.

David Clarkson was in Edmonton today to meet with the Oilers, according to Aaron Ward. Price point is going to be the issue with Clarkson. I think most agree he is the type of player the Oilers need, but not at $6 million/year.

Stay tuned.. 

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#51 MKE
July 04 2013, 11:13PM
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madjam wrote:

The nightmare deal ,one of the worst we have ever done . We sell salary cap , but have to take on a garbage part they want to get rid of and toss ,giving us an additional contract and a 7th round pick to make us feel better . Why even bother with that useless contract ? We got to go that low in additions we'll be lucky to reach 29th spot next year . Discusting .

Do you ever have a positive outlook on anything? Ever?

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#52 **
July 05 2013, 12:35AM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Is it just me or should the Oilers go after Grabovski? I watched a fair amount of the Boston-Toronto series and I think Grabovski was a) pretty unlucky with his scoring chances and b) a total game changer when on the ice. Pretty big momentum swings when he was on the ice, a fairly dominant player considering he was getting 3rd line minutes. He played in a checking role, was effective in that role, and has some major wheels in addition to experience playing in the top 6. He whined a little bit after getting bought out, but it's a pretty insulting thing to do when you consider he was 1 year into a 4 year contract. Sounds like a high skill level with a chip on this shoulder, sign me up! (at around $3.5 million for 3 years.)*edit) and he was throwing his body (however small) whenever he had the chance in the playoffs.

I keep saying one thing, which I'm going to say again. Size in the top 6 isn't the problem on the Oilers, it's size and grit in the bottom 6. Our bottom six have been pretty whatever the political correct word is for p u $ $ ies over the last few years. We don't need goons, we need guys who don't like getting pushed around and will stand up for themselves (fight) when pushed. Would love to include Hall in that mix, lol, he's the second coming of Messier if he ever has the balls to do it.

Just my opinion.

For the question of whether Hall has the balls to play physical, I shall refer you to the massive destruction he inflicted upon Clutterbuck.

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#53 marty62
July 05 2013, 01:29AM
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if you guys weren't paying attention, Horcoff already submitted his list of teams that he would agree to be traded to. Obviously Dallas was one of the teams crazy enough to take that terrible cap hit... Everyone giving MacT the gears for doing nothing should recant. Getting rid of that horrible contract and negative influence without taking a bad contract back is beyond brilliant. now we can watch horcoff skate in circles and not cover his man in Dallas for two years.

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#54 bazmagoo
July 05 2013, 01:55AM
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@Slyers

madjam @ DSF are cousins - and married

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#55 TV6
July 05 2013, 05:30AM
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DSF wrote:

Sure.

If the Oilers could sign Grabovski for $3.5M, but he won't sign for that.

He'd be off to the KHL in a heartbeat if that was the best offer.

Your castle has a foundation of sand.

Seriously..? YOU are calling out another poster by saying that their "castle has a foundation of sand"..?

So what has ALL of your "foundations" been based on then..? Cumulus Clouds..?

x6

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#56 Devoknows
July 04 2013, 06:27PM
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Two Fists Up!!!! Hallelujah!!!!!!!

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#57 DigDeepNBleedBlue
July 04 2013, 06:27PM
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Peverley?

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#58 Spydyr
July 04 2013, 06:28PM
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4 F!sts up

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#59 The Real Scuba Steve
July 04 2013, 06:28PM
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Good Bye!!!

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#60 Naky
July 04 2013, 06:28PM
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Well. At least we got something for him but honestly if we have to keep salary, that pick better get higher with each million we have to keep. If we only get like a fourth and still have to eat say 2.5m or something stupid like that, I'm gonna be wearing my best wet cat look.

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#61 bwar
July 04 2013, 06:29PM
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With Horcoff's Salary off the books, I think the Oilers could justify offering 5.5 to Clarkson. That is still an overpay but essentially you would be trading Horcoff for Clarkson on equivalent contracts.

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#62 DigDeepNBleedBlue
July 04 2013, 06:29PM
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I'd laugh my a$$ off it Cole was a part of this.

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#63 PutzStew
July 04 2013, 06:29PM
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Hasn't been confirmed yet. Not getting excited until it's confirmed.

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#64 DoubleA34
July 04 2013, 06:31PM
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I would of been happy with a bag of pucks so a draft pick is awesome

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#65 SUPER8
July 04 2013, 06:31PM
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Thank god. And Clarkson in Edmonton..hmmmmm as i said, we have to over pay to get people here. Nice Sunny day = Horc gone - Clarkson in town..No he isnt worth Taylor Hall Money but we need vets and Clarkson brings more than Horcoff. Good Luck Shawn - but mostly Good riddance.

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#66 jonny94
July 04 2013, 06:34PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Hasn't been confirmed yet. Not getting excited until it's confirmed.

Uh yes it is confirmed hence this blog.... And Bob Mckenzies tweet... And TSNs post on their website. The details of the trade just hasn't been confirmed

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#67 washed up
July 04 2013, 06:35PM
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Man, Dallas filled their need for centers pretty quick segin, peverly, and horcoff in one day.

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#68 Gerald R. Ford
July 04 2013, 06:39PM
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Shawn Horcoff is a good guy, a decent player under optimal conditions, and it's not his fault that they backed up the Brinks truck to his door. I thank him for his service, and wish him the best.

Oh, and now I'm going to dance like Carlton!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1cLOIxsQ8

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#69 mlcselli
July 04 2013, 06:40PM
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Mac T is doing a nice job of keeping the broom down. Another sweep out the door. Can't wait until tomorrow. Christmas in July

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#70 huskamania
July 04 2013, 06:44PM
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Wicked and who cares what return is all I know is he won't be stealing mins from the youth ,he was getting more ice then ebs,yaks and was taking pp time also. Great trade didn't think it was going to happen a lot happier today

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#71 bwar
July 04 2013, 06:44PM
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Getting a little nervous about the "multiple pieces" involved in this deal.

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#72 MKE
July 04 2013, 06:46PM
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@bwar

Well people wanted moves...

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#73 HOFFFF
July 04 2013, 06:49PM
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99thOilerfan wrote:

Thank you for the heavy lifting, all these years. Best of luck in the future, all the best.

In the end, " once an Oiler, always a Oiler."

Fun Fact: Horcoff age 34, was drafted by the Oilers in the fourth round in 1998.

And a 4th is prob what we get back for him.

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Goodbye Horcoff and thank you. I was never a big fan of yours but I always tried to defend you because you were an Oiler. Now I can properly put on the hate.

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#75 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 06:54PM
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If true, I'm very surprised the Oilers managed to get anything for Horcoff. If MacT managed to trade him straight up for a pick, and didn't have to eat any cap/salary then he is a freakin' genius. I will take back everything I've said about him the past couple of days, ha.

Here's hoping it's not a hoax.....

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#76 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 06:55PM
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Look at that Jim Nill go...

He's not one to let that "It's not even July 5th yet, give him a chance" be a reason to hold things up.

It's July 4th, and he's done already. Had MacTavish pegged as that needed to do this.

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#77 madjam
July 04 2013, 06:55PM
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Good luck to Horc in Dallas . Hope we got a reasonable return .

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#78 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 06:55PM
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Nice. Can't wait to see what MacT has in store for new centermen.

Thanks for your time Horcs, eat a peach

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#79 DSF
July 04 2013, 06:57PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Look at that Jim Nill go...

He's not one to let that "It's not even July 5th yet, give him a chance" be a reason to hold things up.

It's July 4th, and he's done already. Had MacTavish pegged as that needed to do this.

He still has $10M in cap space and a new billionaire owner.

I'd wager he still has one more big signing under his skirt.

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#80 Reagan
July 04 2013, 06:59PM
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See ya, not your fault for that contact...

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#81 DonDon
July 04 2013, 07:00PM
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OilDieHard wrote:

FIST!! now watch Horc come back and haunt us for the next few years like some of the ex Oilers seem to do...

He won't be missed as his contribution over the past two seasons was already haunting the Oilers. He was one of the big reasons the club was struggling at the centre position, along with Belanger and the injured RNH.

Hope they can backfill his position with a more competent C.

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#82 Racki
July 04 2013, 07:01PM
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Kinda sad to see him go, cause I was always a big fan of his. His contract really ruined his reputation here. But this is good for both sides. I'm hoping we didn't retain salary though, because we're going to need to replace him now, and that means we could be paying the same price for our replacement, essentially, depending on who we get and how much we retain.

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#83 JinnyPop
July 04 2013, 07:01PM
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Can we please put the fallacy that Horcoff had nothing to do with his contract to rest?? A contract is a negotiation between two parties, you can be guaranteed the Oilers first offer wasn't what was settled on. The Oilers were desperate for 'high end' players as they were leaving town in droves, and Horcoff and his agent struck while they were in a position of strength. If you can't blame Horcoff for his contract, then you can't hold anyone responsible for the amount they earn, which is utter nonsense. Quit being apologists for him, he had no qualms fleecing the team and its fans.

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#84 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:03PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

If true, I'm very surprised the Oilers managed to get anything for Horcoff. If MacT managed to trade him straight up for a pick, and didn't have to eat any cap/salary then he is a freakin' genius. I will take back everything I've said about him the past couple of days, ha.

Here's hoping it's not a hoax.....

I resonate your sentiments. Dallas is broke as hell, their not paying 3.5 mil or whatever for Horc, they probably need the cap hit so they can make the floor.

My prediction is we eat half the 2/3 the salary, they take the cap, and we get a 4th rounder, Mike Modano's jock, and say sorry for 97.' If we don't pay salary or.take cap then I'll join that guy in the Carlton dance.

Thx Shawn for all the years. We do actually like you.

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#85 bwar
July 04 2013, 07:03PM
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Philip Larsen and a 7th for Horcoff via Darren Dreger. Any intel on Larsen?

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#86 madjam
July 04 2013, 07:03PM
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I'm guessing it to be E.Nystrom and a second round pick for Horcoff .

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#87 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 07:04PM
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@DSF

Now that's just flat out Bold there DSF.

Who you got, as his biggy signing?

I see a whole lotta B and C type moves scattered over the next two weeks. So many guys are gone, and now he has a slew of roster spots to fill, with bandaids i'm thinking. Only addition to date....Belov.

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#88 The Other Ron Burgundy
July 04 2013, 07:04PM
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Does retained salary count against the cap? If so I will delay my elation a little, but elation will ensue nonetheless. Good for the team and for Shawn, whose effort I always appreciated but could never match that horrible contact. Best of luck Mr. Horcoff. And keep er goin MacT!

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#89 Devoknows
July 04 2013, 07:04PM
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@JinnyPop

Well Said!!!

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#90 Steve
July 04 2013, 07:05PM
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Good luck to Horc. He was always a professional here and helped our kids as best he could with guidance and how to act like a pro.

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#91 Harlie
July 04 2013, 07:06PM
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Thanks Horcs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYh9gLNjOdo

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#92 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 07:06PM
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@Smokey

I believe we can only eat up to half of the salary and/or cap hit. Not entirely sure exactly how it works.

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#93 Sacreblew
July 04 2013, 07:09PM
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So he suckers the team into a complete overpay contract extension, performs poorly from almost the moment he signs, has the team eat half of whats left of his contract as hes traded for a bag of pucks, and there are still fans fawning over his work ethic??

Because Oilers.

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#94 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:09PM
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Smokey wrote:

I resonate your sentiments. Dallas is broke as hell, their not paying 3.5 mil or whatever for Horc, they probably need the cap hit so they can make the floor.

My prediction is we eat half the 2/3 the salary, they take the cap, and we get a 4th rounder, Mike Modano's jock, and say sorry for 97.' If we don't pay salary or.take cap then I'll join that guy in the Carlton dance.

Thx Shawn for all the years. We do actually like you.

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

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#95 2004Z06
July 04 2013, 07:10PM
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Always a class act to the end. Played hard on a team with revolving coaches, mediocre teamates (in his prime) and never complained once. Regardless of what some fans thought of his contract situation, he is what the definition of a true professional is. Not like the mercs we see nowadays. Good luck to you in the big D. Horcs will get a taste of something that won't be here for at least 2 more years.....the playoffs!

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#96 oliveoilers
July 04 2013, 07:11PM
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There has to be more to this. MacT has sent two (I counteded dem all by myself, hur, hur!) TWO centres, a position that even the most argumentative of us agree on as a must for next season. As someone mentioned in a previous thread, if we have nothing coming back, why not just say "sorry Shawn, we tried but no takers" and play him one last season before buying him out? And trading him to a division rival that made some serious moves today? I like it not one bit unless MacT is putting up a smoke screen before the blockbuster deal!

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#97 madjam
July 04 2013, 07:12PM
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bwar wrote:

Philip Larsen and a 7th for Horcoff via Darren Dreger. Any intel on Larsen?

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

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#98 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:16PM
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An actual NHL player. Wow. Dallas has no defence other then whats on their farm which is fairly ok. They gotta go get a defenseman.

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#99 2 AM
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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Larsen had the best +- on the Dallas dcorps last year... I hope that is an accurate indicator of how he played.

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#100 Serious Gord
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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In no way shape or form should this be characterized as a "bold" move. Don't this was likely THE top move desired by oiler fans.

If the oil have to eat cap and the pick is a late one, then it is a less desirable option than buying him out. And it make be an indication as to how much of a miser mr Katz may actually be.

Glad to see the back of SH. Yes, he was a bit of a "victim" by getting too lucrative a contract and he should never ever should have been made captain, but in the few games I saw him live he showed pretty crummy work ethic and a lack of intensity and competitiveness.

Lets hope that his signing and now his trade are the bookends of the worst era in oilers history. Time will tell.

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