HORCOFF TO DALLAS...

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 06:24PM

 

Craig MacTavish's first major move happened today when he traded Shawn Horcoff to the Dallas Stars. Bob McKenzie tweeted that Horcoff is off to Dallas. We found out later via Darren Dreger that Horcoff was moved for D-man Philip Larsen and a 7th round pick in 2016. The Oilers didn't have to eat any salary in the deal, so they just freed up $5.5 million in cap space.
 
This deal isn't a major surprise. MacTavish made it clear a month ago that Horcoff likely wasn't coming back, and Jim Nill told me on my radio show a few weeks ago that he wanted to add a veteran centre.

With the Oilers buying out Belanger and trading Horcoff, it is obvious MacTavish will be adding a centre in free agency or via trade. 

Larsen was a 5th round pick in 2008, and he's played 95 games, including 32 last year. He shots right and is a decent puck mover. This will push Corey Potter further down the depth chart, and should end the speculation that Tom Gilbert will return. The Oilers don't need another non-hitting right-shooting D-man.

This trade allows the Oilers to swing big for David Clarkson, if they choose.

David Clarkson was in Edmonton today to meet with the Oilers, according to Aaron Ward. Price point is going to be the issue with Clarkson. I think most agree he is the type of player the Oilers need, but not at $6 million/year.

Stay tuned.. 

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#101 OhCrap
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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Oilers get a 6th round draft pick and eat 1/3 of his salary.

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#102 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 07:21PM
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OhCrap wrote:

Oilers get a 6th round draft pick and eat 1/3 of his salary.

If that's the case that would be an amazing score!

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#103 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 07:22PM
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2 AM wrote:

Larsen had the best +- on the Dallas dcorps last year... I hope that is an accurate indicator of how he played.

Well no, he was -10 this past season in 32 games where he averaged just over 14 mins a night.

That said, at 23 it looks like he's been progressing well up until this season and probably slots in ahead of Potter and behind Belov at thi point.

Not a game-changing defenseman, but just a $1M cap and lots of upside.

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#104 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Relax, I know the dudes loaded. Real estate mogel from BC. Saw the sportsnet interview of him when he bought the team. Teams still broke as hell. He ran it last year like that, remember how they stayed just above the floor. Guy doesn't want to loose 40 mil a year does he?

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#105 Josh Oiler
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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Just heard the deal was Horcoff + ? For Trevor Daley!

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#106 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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Smokey wrote:

An actual NHL player. Wow. Dallas has no defence other then whats on their farm which is fairly ok. They gotta go get a defenseman.

Sergei Gonchar

Alex Goligoski

Stephane Robidas

Trevor Daley

Brendan Dillon

Jordie Benn

Jaimie Oleksiak

Aaron Rome

Kevin Connauton

Cameron Gaunce

Looks a little better than "no defense" to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if they signed another veteran D tomorrow though.

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#107 madjam
July 04 2013, 07:27PM
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BleedingOil wrote:

yes there is. check him out. R hand DMan. 20 points in 95 NHL games. +11

Thank you , I stand corrected ,found him at last . Should be a good addition to the farm perhaps . We still got hosed , however . I guess this is categorized as addition by subtraction moves .

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#108 TeeVee
July 04 2013, 07:27PM
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Racki wrote:

As much as I liked Horcoff, I feel MacTavish performed 3 miracles today:

- he traded Horcoff period.

- he traded Horcoff without getting a bad contract in return

- he traded Horcoff without having to retain salary (it seems).

This is exactly why there should be no complaints.

We got something and didn't have to buy him out or have him back in the dressing room after MacT said he should move on.

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#109 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:28PM
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Dreger is saying Larsen, a 7th to th oil.

Horcoff ++ to the stars... Wonder what the ++ will be!

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#110 Racki
July 04 2013, 07:28PM
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Seems that Dreger is calling it 7th+Larsen for Horcoff. No salary retained. Excellent. Perfect deal, even if the player/pick don't pan out.

Edit: actually sorry, it might still not be done, but that's the deal so far. Dreger saying no salary retained though.

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#111 DrDave
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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Good luck Shawn! Met him once at WEM and he couldn't have been nicer.

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#112 gongshow
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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Rob T. @ Edm Sun just tweeted: "He was a great captain and will be missed by a lot of the guys in the room." - Oilers winger Taylor Hall on Shawn Horcoff

Notice Hall said "a lot" not "everybody"...

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#113 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/philip_larsen/

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#114 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:33PM
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Seems like an actual NHL player at a young age for defence men if that ++ is a 3rd rounder we made out pretty well..z

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#115 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:34PM
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For those who do not know all the updated details, Kypreos stated the following...

The trade was confirmed that it was Horcoff for Philip Larsen and a 2016 seventh round pick. Thats it and all.

Larsen is a 6'1" 184 lbs - right hand shooting, young 23 yr old defenceman from Denmark who split from the Texas stars to dallas this last yr. The yr before he did well for the season in Dallas.

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#116 Rocket
July 04 2013, 07:35PM
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@DSF

Totally. According to some journalists like at The Hockey News (sorry no link), Dallas is very deep in D prospects. Expect some of them to have break out seasons in a couple of years.

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#117 Rocket
July 04 2013, 07:38PM
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I wonder who the captain will be now. Or will they just go with a bunch of alternate captains for a while?

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#118 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:47PM
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@WhattaMike

Here's a scouting report from a Dallas blog:

"Which brings us to Philip Larsen. The 6-foot, 190 pound defenseman is one of six NHL defensemen under contract for the Stars next season, and he will be a restricted free agent after 2013-14. But given the glut of youngsters behind him and his rather pedestrian play through large stretches of this year, he may very well have played himself into being the odd man out.

By nearly every measure, Larsen had a disappointing 2013 season. Injuries and a few trips to the press box limited him to 32 games, and he put up two goals and three assists with a minus-10 rating. That's the second worst plus-minus on the team behind Jamie Benn.

The advanced stats also point to him having a rough year. Larsen was highly sheltered in terms of the quality of competition he played against, seeing the vast majority of his time on the team's third pairing. But he wasn't able to take advantage of the easier minutes. He was the Stars second worst defenseman in Corsi On (the number of shot attempts taken by a team while a player is on the ice minus the number of shot attempts against) to Aaron Rome, and when that number is made relative to the quality of competition he faced, he was by far the worst defenseman on the team with a number almost double that of Jordie Benn's.

So what does that all tell us? Corsi is generally used as a measurement of the possession/offense a player drives while on the ice. Larsen, with his rather lithe frame, is ideally a puck-mover who helps get the puck up ice to create offense going the other way. But he was not able to execute that at the NHL level last season, spending too much time hemmed in his own end with a variety of partners."

http://www.defendingbigd.com/2013/5/13/4325868/dallas-stars-2013-philip-larsen-season-review

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#119 Quintana
July 04 2013, 07:48PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Who cares? Now go to bed.........

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#120 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:49PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Kinda slim pickins tho, don't you think?

Yeah, the free agent market is slim but he's not afraid to make trades.

Should be interesting to watch.

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#121 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:50PM
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Well, MacT did good for starters....by securing a young body plus a pick and there is no paying of a partial salary/no lingering cap hit on Horcoff's contract...Excellent!!

Oh yeah that's right too...Yak was probably sad for sec that Horcoff is gone but then he grabbed his phone and requested the One Zero..

Hall will be Captain and it will be announced sooner than later!!! Now if Gagner's wanting too much salary ($5 mil or plus that per yr) he will be surely dealt by next year if this year MacT does not get a 2nd line centre..

I got a strong feeling right now that MacT is offering a deal to Philly for one of M. Talbot, B. Schenn or S. Couturier.. Philly's new deal to Giroux just caused more cap headaches

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#122 TayLordBalls
July 04 2013, 07:51PM
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hail the new king

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#123 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 07:54PM
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So we got us another Tom Gilbert, no biggy, 1.175 for only 1 yr.

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#124 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:55PM
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@DSF

Thanks for the extra info on the kid... but he is still very young and most every kid (especially ndefencemen) go thru stages.. He is up and he is down...oh well...

I fully expect that he is Barons bound this season too but it may be that Eakins and Nelson can hekp the youngster improve this upcoming year.

At least Horcoff does not cost any more salary or cap hit...

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#125 Stallions35
July 04 2013, 07:56PM
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If we do pay Clarkson $6 Million/ year, he would have failed before he even puts on the Jersey. If the haters were on Horc on his salary and Penner on his production...wait till they see Clarkson at $6mill/year...

Clarkson is a big body with all the tools Oilers need but still not a big point producer, am I right?

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#126 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:04PM
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clarkson ain't worth $6 mil plus per year with any team in this league...just like Bozak is not worth $40 mil for 8 years...

If the Oilers want Clarkson (which I would love) I would offer up to $4.5 mil a year to maybe $5 mil per yr max...

I hope they go for Gordon, Lapiere (agitator/Pk guy/wins faceoffs), and trade for Zack Smith (for some reason I like this kid too)

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#127 Virtual_Xi
July 04 2013, 08:06PM
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Regardless of the trade coming back, MacT doesn't have to eat Horc's contract, which means KLowe's happy, which means Katz is happy. We'll see what tomorrow brings, but this is definitely a good day with Belanger out of the mix as well. Maybe this Larsen kid isn't ready for a full season in the show, but you can't complain about having dman depth.

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#128 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:07PM
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@WhattaMike

Yeah, there is always hope for a young defenseman.

Sometimes the penny drops.

In this case, MacT traded Horcoff for TWO bags of bucks and apparently didn't need to eat any salary to do it.

A salary cap dump pure and simple.

Northing wrong with that.

I'm sure Katz is pretty happy he didn't have to stroke a big cheque.

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#129 TCB
July 04 2013, 08:09PM
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I have to admit I am just a little sad to see him go. The team seemed like a different team this last season when he was injured, and seemed to find an extra gear when he came back.He didn't, but the team did! I thought that even if we got a "lesser" player back in the deal, we would still get the better end of the deal! All the same, good luck in Dallas

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#130 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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Clarkson at 5.75 - 6'ish per, is a risk I feel the Oilers should take. With a much stronger top 2 lines here now, it won't be all on his shoulders to be the best player here like it was for Penner. Starting to think this Clarkson deal might happen for MacTavish. This one deal alone, would set the Clarkson family up financially for life.

Also hope MacTavish is able to twist Holmgrens arm and get Couturier. I don't feel it's out of line if Paul's hoping to unload Coburn or Mezaros on Edmonton. Hold out for Sean, Oilers need him moreso than salary dumpers Coburn or Mezaros.

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#131 Mean Machine
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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With Clarkson in Edmonton today, you got to hope this was done because we are close to getting him. Please not over 5 per

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#132 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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@DSF

Yep it is a salary dump for sure but at least two things came back at no cost (a body and a pick). It's All about the money bud... now it's gonna be "Show Me Da Money!!!!"

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#133 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Haters gonna hate...

Now what did you "book" for Horcoff and the Oilers?

Lol, Dallas got fleeced, the Oil got cap space and a NHL player in a position lacking RHD depth...

Gonna take more than one random blog to ruin this, keep trying though! Maybe you can pull up some stats to prove how amazing Minny was last season as well!

Sure.

Happy to oblige.

Minny went from a goal differential of -49 to -5 in one season.

Considering they turned over 40% of their roster in one offseason, that's not too bad.

Now that the Oilers are turning over their roster, it'll be interesting to see if they can do the same.

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#134 Johnny
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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If MacT does not have a trade/signing in the books for a center (or two) this could get really ugly.

RNH (injured) Gagner Lander Arcobello VandeVelde Martindale

That's all we got on the books.

Shocking.

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#135 gcw_rocks
July 04 2013, 08:14PM
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Why the heck would the Oilers want to waste the cap space geberated on Clarkson? He is a RW, is he not? Any good generated out of trading Horcoff would be swept away by signing Clarkson.

Oilers don't need to be hunt whales up front. The need MacArthur and maybe Grabovski. They need solid 3rd line guys on value deals. They do not need another top 6 RW.

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#136 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:19PM
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@Smokey

Yeah that type contract you sggest is still okay...and yep.... if Clarkson does get up to $6 mil per yr in an Oiler deal then he will either do great for 3 to 4 yrs of it first...or he will become Gagner's next partner as a whipping boy...

But I do hope we get him for this team...

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#137 madjam
July 04 2013, 08:20PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Just heard the deal was Horcoff + ? For Trevor Daley!

Now that makes a lot more sense . Hope your right .If it's the other we got hosed .

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#138 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:20PM
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DSF wrote:

Sure.

Happy to oblige.

Minny went from a goal differential of -49 to -5 in one season.

Considering they turned over 40% of their roster in one offseason, that's not too bad.

Now that the Oilers are turning over their roster, it'll be interesting to see if they can do the same.

Yet -5 is not where a certain person had their improvement predicted... I seem to recall them as Stanley cup contenders and poised to dominate the entire conference...

Hrmm who said that again?

But yeah -49 to -5 is an improvement, if only that had been you booked prediction, eh?

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#139 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 08:21PM
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Kings may not be able to afford Dustin Brown (RW) after this coming season. Maybe there's something that could be done there. Move Eberle into the middle.

Kings need 6 more bodies and less than 6 mill to work with.

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#140 RJ
July 04 2013, 08:22PM
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Check out the Dallas Stars blog on Larsen. In their eyes, they had to take on a big cap hit to get rid of Larsen. Doesn't bode well for his time in Edmonton.

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#141 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:24PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Except one of those bag of pucks is an actual NHL player...

This must burn on the inside... Where you keep your feelings...

I seem to recall a certain someone predicting we couldn't move Horcoff even if we ate his salary.

I would ask you how being so damn wrong tastes, but you are kind of setting a new record for missed book it's/predictions.

He's an "actual NHL player" in the same sense that Can Barker is "an actual NHL player".

Dallas had 8 better options and moved him.

Can't fault MacT here...he got $4.5M in cap space for Horcoff...that's gotta be worth something.

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#142 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:24PM
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@gcw_rocks

Yeah Clarkson may be a RW but he will get very good 3rd line minutes and do 2nd line duty too...here and there...

Not a waste..

I am wondering more about the Oilers wanting one or both of B. Gordon and speedy Mason Raymond too.. Anyone like these guys???

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#143 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:25PM
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RJ wrote:

Check out the Dallas Stars blog on Larsen. In their eyes, they had to take on a big cap hit to get rid of Larsen. Doesn't bode well for his time in Edmonton.

Except he has 1 year left on his contract....

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#144 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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It's hard to bring it when you realize that your personal goals will not be met with this team, ie. playing playoff hockey and winning the Stanley Cup before you retire.

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#145 Rocket
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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Clarkson is looking for a big payday (I assume), and while I think he would look great in an Oilers sweater, if they sign him for anything over 4Mil. it would be an overpay IMO.

Plus, they just got rid of Horcoffs awful salary. Why waste the cap space on a role player?

I like Clarkson but as another poster commented, now is not the time to go whale hunting. Maybe in a couple of years when The Oilers are trying for a deep run in the playoffs.

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#146 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:28PM
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Okay now I am getting confused...Is Horcoff traded for 7th round pick and (D) Larsen? or a 7th rounder and (D) Trevor Daley?

Can anyone clarify please???

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#147 Serious Gord
July 04 2013, 08:29PM
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Got rid of him w/o any cap splitting. That's a good deal.

And it leaves a spot open for a buyout. Who will it be or do they have the option to hold it for next year?

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#148 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:29PM
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I'd expect that MacT has a firm commitment from a centre for him to blow out both Horc and Belanger the same day.

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#149 Rocket
July 04 2013, 08:30PM
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@DSF

Totally. Remember L.A. doing the same trading Ryan Smythe to The Oilers for Colin Frasor so they could free up cap space for Jeff Carter?

Maybe MacT is on to something bigger here.

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#150 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:31PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Wait he is cheaper then Barker was!!!!

By DSF's logic that means Mac T. Is smarter than the entire Canucks organization...

God, it must suck to be you.

The Canucks paid Cam Barker $700K to be their 9th defenseman.

The Oilers are on the hook for Larssen to be their AHL level defenseman for $1.1M.

That's a difference of 50%.

Did you fail math class?

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