HORCOFF TO DALLAS...

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 06:24PM

 

Craig MacTavish's first major move happened today when he traded Shawn Horcoff to the Dallas Stars. Bob McKenzie tweeted that Horcoff is off to Dallas. We found out later via Darren Dreger that Horcoff was moved for D-man Philip Larsen and a 7th round pick in 2016. The Oilers didn't have to eat any salary in the deal, so they just freed up $5.5 million in cap space.
 
This deal isn't a major surprise. MacTavish made it clear a month ago that Horcoff likely wasn't coming back, and Jim Nill told me on my radio show a few weeks ago that he wanted to add a veteran centre.

With the Oilers buying out Belanger and trading Horcoff, it is obvious MacTavish will be adding a centre in free agency or via trade. 

Larsen was a 5th round pick in 2008, and he's played 95 games, including 32 last year. He shots right and is a decent puck mover. This will push Corey Potter further down the depth chart, and should end the speculation that Tom Gilbert will return. The Oilers don't need another non-hitting right-shooting D-man.

This trade allows the Oilers to swing big for David Clarkson, if they choose.

David Clarkson was in Edmonton today to meet with the Oilers, according to Aaron Ward. Price point is going to be the issue with Clarkson. I think most agree he is the type of player the Oilers need, but not at $6 million/year.

Stay tuned.. 

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#51 oliveoilers
July 04 2013, 07:11PM
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There has to be more to this. MacT has sent two (I counteded dem all by myself, hur, hur!) TWO centres, a position that even the most argumentative of us agree on as a must for next season. As someone mentioned in a previous thread, if we have nothing coming back, why not just say "sorry Shawn, we tried but no takers" and play him one last season before buying him out? And trading him to a division rival that made some serious moves today? I like it not one bit unless MacT is putting up a smoke screen before the blockbuster deal!

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#52 madjam
July 04 2013, 07:12PM
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bwar wrote:

Philip Larsen and a 7th for Horcoff via Darren Dreger. Any intel on Larsen?

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

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#53 BleedingOil
July 04 2013, 07:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

yes there is. check him out. R hand DMan. 20 points in 95 NHL games. +11

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#54 Mean Machine
July 04 2013, 07:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

We got a warm body for Horcoff, be happy. And yes, he played over 50 games with Dallas last year

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#55 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:16PM
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An actual NHL player. Wow. Dallas has no defence other then whats on their farm which is fairly ok. They gotta go get a defenseman.

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#56 Racki
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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As much as I liked Horcoff, I feel MacTavish performed 3 miracles today:

- he traded Horcoff period.

- he traded Horcoff without getting a bad contract in return

- he traded Horcoff without having to retain salary (it seems).

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#57 2 AM
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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Larsen had the best +- on the Dallas dcorps last year... I hope that is an accurate indicator of how he played.

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#58 djc
July 04 2013, 07:19PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Geez DSF can you go jerk off about Gaglardi in private?

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#59 Serious Gord
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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In no way shape or form should this be characterized as a "bold" move. Don't this was likely THE top move desired by oiler fans.

If the oil have to eat cap and the pick is a late one, then it is a less desirable option than buying him out. And it make be an indication as to how much of a miser mr Katz may actually be.

Glad to see the back of SH. Yes, he was a bit of a "victim" by getting too lucrative a contract and he should never ever should have been made captain, but in the few games I saw him live he showed pretty crummy work ethic and a lack of intensity and competitiveness.

Lets hope that his signing and now his trade are the bookends of the worst era in oilers history. Time will tell.

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#60 OhCrap
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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Oilers get a 6th round draft pick and eat 1/3 of his salary.

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#61 oliveoilers
July 04 2013, 07:20PM
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Mean Machine wrote:

We got a warm body for Horcoff, be happy. And yes, he played over 50 games with Dallas last year

Over 50 games? In a 48 game season? Count again.

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#62 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 07:21PM
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OhCrap wrote:

Oilers get a 6th round draft pick and eat 1/3 of his salary.

If that's the case that would be an amazing score!

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#63 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 07:22PM
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2 AM wrote:

Larsen had the best +- on the Dallas dcorps last year... I hope that is an accurate indicator of how he played.

Well no, he was -10 this past season in 32 games where he averaged just over 14 mins a night.

That said, at 23 it looks like he's been progressing well up until this season and probably slots in ahead of Potter and behind Belov at thi point.

Not a game-changing defenseman, but just a $1M cap and lots of upside.

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#64 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Relax, I know the dudes loaded. Real estate mogel from BC. Saw the sportsnet interview of him when he bought the team. Teams still broke as hell. He ran it last year like that, remember how they stayed just above the floor. Guy doesn't want to loose 40 mil a year does he?

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#65 Josh Oiler
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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Just heard the deal was Horcoff + ? For Trevor Daley!

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#66 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:23PM
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Smokey wrote:

An actual NHL player. Wow. Dallas has no defence other then whats on their farm which is fairly ok. They gotta go get a defenseman.

Sergei Gonchar

Alex Goligoski

Stephane Robidas

Trevor Daley

Brendan Dillon

Jordie Benn

Jaimie Oleksiak

Aaron Rome

Kevin Connauton

Cameron Gaunce

Looks a little better than "no defense" to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if they signed another veteran D tomorrow though.

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#67 madjam
July 04 2013, 07:27PM
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BleedingOil wrote:

yes there is. check him out. R hand DMan. 20 points in 95 NHL games. +11

Thank you , I stand corrected ,found him at last . Should be a good addition to the farm perhaps . We still got hosed , however . I guess this is categorized as addition by subtraction moves .

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#68 TeeVee
July 04 2013, 07:27PM
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Racki wrote:

As much as I liked Horcoff, I feel MacTavish performed 3 miracles today:

- he traded Horcoff period.

- he traded Horcoff without getting a bad contract in return

- he traded Horcoff without having to retain salary (it seems).

This is exactly why there should be no complaints.

We got something and didn't have to buy him out or have him back in the dressing room after MacT said he should move on.

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#69 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:28PM
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Dreger is saying Larsen, a 7th to th oil.

Horcoff ++ to the stars... Wonder what the ++ will be!

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#70 Racki
July 04 2013, 07:28PM
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Seems that Dreger is calling it 7th+Larsen for Horcoff. No salary retained. Excellent. Perfect deal, even if the player/pick don't pan out.

Edit: actually sorry, it might still not be done, but that's the deal so far. Dreger saying no salary retained though.

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#71 rob
July 04 2013, 07:29PM
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if we dont eat any cap mact is a genious!!!!!

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#72 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:30PM
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First is that the time was more than right to trade Horcoff..

Next is that I wish the guy well with Dallas and though the contract was a bad issue itself, this player worked hard for the Oilers with hard lines to face/tough minutes/defence zone faceoffs etc. There were a lot of good times even amidst the bad Shawn and I say thank you for the work ya did and for the best ya tried to do...

Third is that I may be premature to say this... but I say Congrats to Taylor Hall as being the next captain of the Oilers...May ya lead this team from out of the wilderness that it was lost in for the past 7 years... Good Luck.

Now...the centres on this team are listed as RNH, Gagner (likely), then maybe Lander as the 4th. The big gap is at 3rd with hopes for a more experience 4th line centre as well. Lander must come in to the AHL one more time and prove he deserves Oiler work.

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#73 DrDave
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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Good luck Shawn! Met him once at WEM and he couldn't have been nicer.

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#74 gongshow
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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Rob T. @ Edm Sun just tweeted: "He was a great captain and will be missed by a lot of the guys in the room." - Oilers winger Taylor Hall on Shawn Horcoff

Notice Hall said "a lot" not "everybody"...

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#75 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:31PM
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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/philip_larsen/

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#76 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:33PM
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Seems like an actual NHL player at a young age for defence men if that ++ is a 3rd rounder we made out pretty well..z

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#77 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 07:34PM
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If MacT got a young defenceman, a pick, and didn't have to retain any salary/cap he's a bloody genius.

Well done!

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#78 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:34PM
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For those who do not know all the updated details, Kypreos stated the following...

The trade was confirmed that it was Horcoff for Philip Larsen and a 2016 seventh round pick. Thats it and all.

Larsen is a 6'1" 184 lbs - right hand shooting, young 23 yr old defenceman from Denmark who split from the Texas stars to dallas this last yr. The yr before he did well for the season in Dallas.

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#79 Rocket
July 04 2013, 07:35PM
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@DSF

Totally. According to some journalists like at The Hockey News (sorry no link), Dallas is very deep in D prospects. Expect some of them to have break out seasons in a couple of years.

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#80 Smokey
July 04 2013, 07:35PM
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DSF wrote:

Sergei Gonchar

Alex Goligoski

Stephane Robidas

Trevor Daley

Brendan Dillon

Jordie Benn

Jaimie Oleksiak

Aaron Rome

Kevin Connauton

Cameron Gaunce

Looks a little better than "no defense" to me.

Wouldn't surprise me if they signed another veteran D tomorrow though.

Wow, your a DB tonight. I.don't mind a differing opinion,but the leave DBaggery at the door.

The defence looks about as good as our right now. Need another top 4. Robidas is a fine 3/4. Gogs and Gonchar are soft. After that they got 5/6 and prospect depth.

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#81 Rocket
July 04 2013, 07:38PM
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I wonder who the captain will be now. Or will they just go with a bunch of alternate captains for a while?

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#82 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 07:40PM
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Rocket wrote:

I wonder who the captain will be now. Or will they just go with a bunch of alternate captains for a while?

Hall or Gagner for sure.

Yak will be so :D)))))))))))))))) he gets his number 10 now.

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#83 Fresh Mess
July 04 2013, 07:42PM
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Credit where due: AMAZING job by Mact on this deal.

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#84 Time Travelling Sean
July 04 2013, 07:42PM
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@gongshow

Maybe it was a honest mistake... this isn't politics where there is 5 surreptitious messages and always a double meaning in everything.

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#85 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 07:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Sounds about exactly how you build an NHL defense.

They could likely use one more big veteran top 4 D.

I'd wager Nill gets one tomorrow.

Kinda slim pickins tho, don't you think?

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#86 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:47PM
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@WhattaMike

Here's a scouting report from a Dallas blog:

"Which brings us to Philip Larsen. The 6-foot, 190 pound defenseman is one of six NHL defensemen under contract for the Stars next season, and he will be a restricted free agent after 2013-14. But given the glut of youngsters behind him and his rather pedestrian play through large stretches of this year, he may very well have played himself into being the odd man out.

By nearly every measure, Larsen had a disappointing 2013 season. Injuries and a few trips to the press box limited him to 32 games, and he put up two goals and three assists with a minus-10 rating. That's the second worst plus-minus on the team behind Jamie Benn.

The advanced stats also point to him having a rough year. Larsen was highly sheltered in terms of the quality of competition he played against, seeing the vast majority of his time on the team's third pairing. But he wasn't able to take advantage of the easier minutes. He was the Stars second worst defenseman in Corsi On (the number of shot attempts taken by a team while a player is on the ice minus the number of shot attempts against) to Aaron Rome, and when that number is made relative to the quality of competition he faced, he was by far the worst defenseman on the team with a number almost double that of Jordie Benn's.

So what does that all tell us? Corsi is generally used as a measurement of the possession/offense a player drives while on the ice. Larsen, with his rather lithe frame, is ideally a puck-mover who helps get the puck up ice to create offense going the other way. But he was not able to execute that at the NHL level last season, spending too much time hemmed in his own end with a variety of partners."

http://www.defendingbigd.com/2013/5/13/4325868/dallas-stars-2013-philip-larsen-season-review

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#87 Quintana
July 04 2013, 07:48PM
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DSF wrote:

Dallas, while suffering at the gate, is not "broke as hell".

They have a new billionaire owner, Tom Gagliardi from Vancouver.

"Gaglardi is president of Northland Properties Corporation, which he and his family own. The company operates hotels and restaurants in Canada and employs more than 10,000 people.

He also serves as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Sandman Hotels, Inns & Suites and Moxie's Restaurants, LP.

He has been a Director of Leading Brands, Inc. since October 1998 and Secretary since June 1999.

He also is part of the ownership group of the Kamloops Blazers of the Western Hockey League

His mother is a native of Longview, Texas and he said he has “serious University of Texas relatives” who live west of Fort Worth, Texas."

While the Stars franchise has atrophied, he has committed to bringing it back to a very prominent state.

Hiring Jim Nill appears to have been job #1.

Who cares? Now go to bed.........

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#88 DSF
July 04 2013, 07:49PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Kinda slim pickins tho, don't you think?

Yeah, the free agent market is slim but he's not afraid to make trades.

Should be interesting to watch.

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#89 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:50PM
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Well, MacT did good for starters....by securing a young body plus a pick and there is no paying of a partial salary/no lingering cap hit on Horcoff's contract...Excellent!!

Oh yeah that's right too...Yak was probably sad for sec that Horcoff is gone but then he grabbed his phone and requested the One Zero..

Hall will be Captain and it will be announced sooner than later!!! Now if Gagner's wanting too much salary ($5 mil or plus that per yr) he will be surely dealt by next year if this year MacT does not get a 2nd line centre..

I got a strong feeling right now that MacT is offering a deal to Philly for one of M. Talbot, B. Schenn or S. Couturier.. Philly's new deal to Giroux just caused more cap headaches

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#90 Tom
July 04 2013, 07:50PM
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madjam wrote:

Did we just get hosed or what ? There is no Larsen on Dallas roster , prospect or recent draft list . Maybe we should hope MacT. doesn't do any more trading at this rate . What , no bags of pucks either ?

Feel better madjam. I bet you have been waiting all day to hit "post comment" on that post, regardless of what the trade was. I hope you put Dallas in the post to begin with. There are some of you who come here that wouldn't be happy with anything MacT did.

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#91 TayLordBalls
July 04 2013, 07:51PM
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hail the new king

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#92 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 07:53PM
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@DSF

Haters gonna hate...

Now what did you "book" for Horcoff and the Oilers?

Lol, Dallas got fleeced, the Oil got cap space and a NHL player in a position lacking RHD depth...

Gonna take more than one random blog to ruin this, keep trying though! Maybe you can pull up some stats to prove how amazing Minny was last season as well!

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#93 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 04 2013, 07:54PM
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So we got us another Tom Gilbert, no biggy, 1.175 for only 1 yr.

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#94 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 07:55PM
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@DSF

Thanks for the extra info on the kid... but he is still very young and most every kid (especially ndefencemen) go thru stages.. He is up and he is down...oh well...

I fully expect that he is Barons bound this season too but it may be that Eakins and Nelson can hekp the youngster improve this upcoming year.

At least Horcoff does not cost any more salary or cap hit...

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#95 BUCK75
July 04 2013, 07:56PM
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Good-bye Wolf Eyes.

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#96 Stallions35
July 04 2013, 07:56PM
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If we do pay Clarkson $6 Million/ year, he would have failed before he even puts on the Jersey. If the haters were on Horc on his salary and Penner on his production...wait till they see Clarkson at $6mill/year...

Clarkson is a big body with all the tools Oilers need but still not a big point producer, am I right?

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#97 Johnny
July 04 2013, 08:02PM
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Clarkson is the wrong position.

Anybody remember Eric Cole? How did that work out??

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#98 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:04PM
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clarkson ain't worth $6 mil plus per year with any team in this league...just like Bozak is not worth $40 mil for 8 years...

If the Oilers want Clarkson (which I would love) I would offer up to $4.5 mil a year to maybe $5 mil per yr max...

I hope they go for Gordon, Lapiere (agitator/Pk guy/wins faceoffs), and trade for Zack Smith (for some reason I like this kid too)

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#99 Virtual_Xi
July 04 2013, 08:06PM
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Regardless of the trade coming back, MacT doesn't have to eat Horc's contract, which means KLowe's happy, which means Katz is happy. We'll see what tomorrow brings, but this is definitely a good day with Belanger out of the mix as well. Maybe this Larsen kid isn't ready for a full season in the show, but you can't complain about having dman depth.

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#100 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:07PM
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@WhattaMike

Yeah, there is always hope for a young defenseman.

Sometimes the penny drops.

In this case, MacT traded Horcoff for TWO bags of bucks and apparently didn't need to eat any salary to do it.

A salary cap dump pure and simple.

Northing wrong with that.

I'm sure Katz is pretty happy he didn't have to stroke a big cheque.

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