HORCOFF TO DALLAS...

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 06:24PM

 

Craig MacTavish's first major move happened today when he traded Shawn Horcoff to the Dallas Stars. Bob McKenzie tweeted that Horcoff is off to Dallas. We found out later via Darren Dreger that Horcoff was moved for D-man Philip Larsen and a 7th round pick in 2016. The Oilers didn't have to eat any salary in the deal, so they just freed up $5.5 million in cap space.
 
This deal isn't a major surprise. MacTavish made it clear a month ago that Horcoff likely wasn't coming back, and Jim Nill told me on my radio show a few weeks ago that he wanted to add a veteran centre.

With the Oilers buying out Belanger and trading Horcoff, it is obvious MacTavish will be adding a centre in free agency or via trade. 

Larsen was a 5th round pick in 2008, and he's played 95 games, including 32 last year. He shots right and is a decent puck mover. This will push Corey Potter further down the depth chart, and should end the speculation that Tom Gilbert will return. The Oilers don't need another non-hitting right-shooting D-man.

This trade allows the Oilers to swing big for David Clarkson, if they choose.

David Clarkson was in Edmonton today to meet with the Oilers, according to Aaron Ward. Price point is going to be the issue with Clarkson. I think most agree he is the type of player the Oilers need, but not at $6 million/year.

Stay tuned.. 

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#101 TCB
July 04 2013, 08:09PM
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I have to admit I am just a little sad to see him go. The team seemed like a different team this last season when he was injured, and seemed to find an extra gear when he came back.He didn't, but the team did! I thought that even if we got a "lesser" player back in the deal, we would still get the better end of the deal! All the same, good luck in Dallas

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#102 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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Clarkson at 5.75 - 6'ish per, is a risk I feel the Oilers should take. With a much stronger top 2 lines here now, it won't be all on his shoulders to be the best player here like it was for Penner. Starting to think this Clarkson deal might happen for MacTavish. This one deal alone, would set the Clarkson family up financially for life.

Also hope MacTavish is able to twist Holmgrens arm and get Couturier. I don't feel it's out of line if Paul's hoping to unload Coburn or Mezaros on Edmonton. Hold out for Sean, Oilers need him moreso than salary dumpers Coburn or Mezaros.

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#103 Smokey
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

clarkson ain't worth $6 mil plus per year with any team in this league...just like Bozak is not worth $40 mil for 8 years...

If the Oilers want Clarkson (which I would love) I would offer up to $4.5 mil a year to maybe $5 mil per yr max...

I hope they go for Gordon, Lapiere (agitator/Pk guy/wins faceoffs), and trade for Zack Smith (for some reason I like this kid too)

I think 5.25 to 5.5 x5 gets it done. Its Malone like, we would like it for 2 years, and hate it the rest. Clark MCarthar sp? at 4-4.5 would be easier to digest. He can score and has some grit.

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#104 Mean Machine
July 04 2013, 08:11PM
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With Clarkson in Edmonton today, you got to hope this was done because we are close to getting him. Please not over 5 per

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#105 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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@DSF

Yep it is a salary dump for sure but at least two things came back at no cost (a body and a pick). It's All about the money bud... now it's gonna be "Show Me Da Money!!!!"

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#106 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Haters gonna hate...

Now what did you "book" for Horcoff and the Oilers?

Lol, Dallas got fleeced, the Oil got cap space and a NHL player in a position lacking RHD depth...

Gonna take more than one random blog to ruin this, keep trying though! Maybe you can pull up some stats to prove how amazing Minny was last season as well!

Sure.

Happy to oblige.

Minny went from a goal differential of -49 to -5 in one season.

Considering they turned over 40% of their roster in one offseason, that's not too bad.

Now that the Oilers are turning over their roster, it'll be interesting to see if they can do the same.

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#107 Johnny
July 04 2013, 08:12PM
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If MacT does not have a trade/signing in the books for a center (or two) this could get really ugly.

RNH (injured) Gagner Lander Arcobello VandeVelde Martindale

That's all we got on the books.

Shocking.

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#108 gcw_rocks
July 04 2013, 08:14PM
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Why the heck would the Oilers want to waste the cap space geberated on Clarkson? He is a RW, is he not? Any good generated out of trading Horcoff would be swept away by signing Clarkson.

Oilers don't need to be hunt whales up front. The need MacArthur and maybe Grabovski. They need solid 3rd line guys on value deals. They do not need another top 6 RW.

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#109 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 08:14PM
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Does anyone else feel ten pounds lighter with Horcoff's albatross off the books? We're gonna have to start shelling out more cash for kids soon, the extra 5.5 will be a boon.

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#110 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:16PM
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@DSF

Except one of those bag of pucks is an actual NHL player...

This must burn on the inside... Where you keep your feelings...

I seem to recall a certain someone predicting we couldn't move Horcoff even if we ate his salary.

I would ask you how being so damn wrong tastes, but you are kind of setting a new record for missed book it's/predictions.

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#111 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:19PM
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@Smokey

Yeah that type contract you sggest is still okay...and yep.... if Clarkson does get up to $6 mil per yr in an Oiler deal then he will either do great for 3 to 4 yrs of it first...or he will become Gagner's next partner as a whipping boy...

But I do hope we get him for this team...

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#112 madjam
July 04 2013, 08:20PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Just heard the deal was Horcoff + ? For Trevor Daley!

Now that makes a lot more sense . Hope your right .If it's the other we got hosed .

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#113 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:20PM
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DSF wrote:

Sure.

Happy to oblige.

Minny went from a goal differential of -49 to -5 in one season.

Considering they turned over 40% of their roster in one offseason, that's not too bad.

Now that the Oilers are turning over their roster, it'll be interesting to see if they can do the same.

Yet -5 is not where a certain person had their improvement predicted... I seem to recall them as Stanley cup contenders and poised to dominate the entire conference...

Hrmm who said that again?

But yeah -49 to -5 is an improvement, if only that had been you booked prediction, eh?

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#114 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 04 2013, 08:21PM
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Kings may not be able to afford Dustin Brown (RW) after this coming season. Maybe there's something that could be done there. Move Eberle into the middle.

Kings need 6 more bodies and less than 6 mill to work with.

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#115 RJ
July 04 2013, 08:22PM
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Check out the Dallas Stars blog on Larsen. In their eyes, they had to take on a big cap hit to get rid of Larsen. Doesn't bode well for his time in Edmonton.

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#116 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:24PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Except one of those bag of pucks is an actual NHL player...

This must burn on the inside... Where you keep your feelings...

I seem to recall a certain someone predicting we couldn't move Horcoff even if we ate his salary.

I would ask you how being so damn wrong tastes, but you are kind of setting a new record for missed book it's/predictions.

He's an "actual NHL player" in the same sense that Can Barker is "an actual NHL player".

Dallas had 8 better options and moved him.

Can't fault MacT here...he got $4.5M in cap space for Horcoff...that's gotta be worth something.

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#117 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:24PM
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@gcw_rocks

Yeah Clarkson may be a RW but he will get very good 3rd line minutes and do 2nd line duty too...here and there...

Not a waste..

I am wondering more about the Oilers wanting one or both of B. Gordon and speedy Mason Raymond too.. Anyone like these guys???

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#118 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:25PM
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RJ wrote:

Check out the Dallas Stars blog on Larsen. In their eyes, they had to take on a big cap hit to get rid of Larsen. Doesn't bode well for his time in Edmonton.

Except he has 1 year left on his contract....

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#119 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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DSF wrote:

He's an "actual NHL player" in the same sense that Can Barker is "an actual NHL player".

Dallas had 8 better options and moved him.

Can't fault MacT here...he got $4.5M in cap space for Horcoff...that's gotta be worth something.

Wait he is cheaper then Barker was!!!!

By DSF's logic that means Mac T. Is smarter than the entire Canucks organization...

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#120 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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It's hard to bring it when you realize that your personal goals will not be met with this team, ie. playing playoff hockey and winning the Stanley Cup before you retire.

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#121 Rocket
July 04 2013, 08:26PM
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Clarkson is looking for a big payday (I assume), and while I think he would look great in an Oilers sweater, if they sign him for anything over 4Mil. it would be an overpay IMO.

Plus, they just got rid of Horcoffs awful salary. Why waste the cap space on a role player?

I like Clarkson but as another poster commented, now is not the time to go whale hunting. Maybe in a couple of years when The Oilers are trying for a deep run in the playoffs.

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#122 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:28PM
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Okay now I am getting confused...Is Horcoff traded for 7th round pick and (D) Larsen? or a 7th rounder and (D) Trevor Daley?

Can anyone clarify please???

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#123 Serious Gord
July 04 2013, 08:29PM
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Got rid of him w/o any cap splitting. That's a good deal.

And it leaves a spot open for a buyout. Who will it be or do they have the option to hold it for next year?

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#124 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:29PM
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I'd expect that MacT has a firm commitment from a centre for him to blow out both Horc and Belanger the same day.

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#125 Rocket
July 04 2013, 08:30PM
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@DSF

Totally. Remember L.A. doing the same trading Ryan Smythe to The Oilers for Colin Frasor so they could free up cap space for Jeff Carter?

Maybe MacT is on to something bigger here.

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#126 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:31PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Wait he is cheaper then Barker was!!!!

By DSF's logic that means Mac T. Is smarter than the entire Canucks organization...

God, it must suck to be you.

The Canucks paid Cam Barker $700K to be their 9th defenseman.

The Oilers are on the hook for Larssen to be their AHL level defenseman for $1.1M.

That's a difference of 50%.

Did you fail math class?

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#127 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:31PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

Okay now I am getting confused...Is Horcoff traded for 7th round pick and (D) Larsen? or a 7th rounder and (D) Trevor Daley?

Can anyone clarify please???

Larssen.

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#128 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:33PM
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With a spare buyout, maybe you can approach Philly about Coburn with the added incentive of taking one of their undesirable contracts and then buying it out. Deadline for buyouts is tonight tho, I believe.

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#129 Crackenbury
July 04 2013, 08:34PM
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Why does anyone care what any given player makes? Does it somehow affect your everyday life?

If you're hoping for a certain player to be signed, just leave it that and hope they sign them.

I could give a rats a$$ what the Oilers decide they are willing to pay a player to play here. They have a cap to work within and certain players that are willing to come play in Edmonton. They pay whatever they need to and no more to get the player they want.

Inevitably some D-bag will come along afterwards and say what a terrible deal it is and MacT"s an idiot for paying so much.

Book it!

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#130 Ca$h-Money!
July 04 2013, 08:37PM
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@Crackenbury

When you pay someone more than they are worth it hurts your team. For example, if you theoretically pay your third line centre 5.5 million for lots of years, it becomes difficult to add more top 6 forwards to improve your team once you run into the cap.

Not that anyone would ever pay their 3rd line centre 5.5 million with lots of term. It's just a theoretical example to illustrate a point.

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#131 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 08:39PM
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@DSF

Ouch, that hurt...

On the inside....

But you forget he is replacing 5.5 million in salary... That means he is actually getting paid -4.5 mil for cap reasons.

I still haven't heard you explain how Horcoff went from unmovable in your eyes at half salary to us picking up 1 year and 1 million in cap in a 23 year old defence man with 1 great year and 1 poor year in the NHL.

Don't worry I'll wait patiently.

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#132 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 08:39PM
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@Crackenbury

People care about salaries because we have 5 big names that are gonna need 5 big paychecks to stay here. Overpaying one guy could mean we have no cap room to re-sign the young talent we just gained from being the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

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#133 madjam
July 04 2013, 08:40PM
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The nightmare deal ,one of the worst we have ever done . We sell salary cap , but have to take on a garbage part they want to get rid of and toss ,giving us an additional contract and a 7th round pick to make us feel better . Why even bother with that useless contract ? We got to go that low in additions we'll be lucky to reach 29th spot next year . Discusting .

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#134 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:43PM
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Musta sold Nill on the fact that Seguin needs a mentor.

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#135 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:43PM
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@DSF

Thanks for the carification of Larsen..

@Lochenzo

Other than hearing Clarkson is in Edm right now to negotiate and tour, I think you may be right...and I am wondering now about a top 3rd line centre too... (cause I believe Gagner is here this yr at least for sure now)

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#136 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:44PM
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madjam wrote:

The nightmare deal ,one of the worst we have ever done . We sell salary cap , but have to take on a garbage part they want to get rid of and toss ,giving us an additional contract and a 7th round pick to make us feel better . Why even bother with that useless contract ? We got to go that low in additions we'll be lucky to reach 29th spot next year . Discusting .

There's another way to look at it.

The Oilers have moved Horcoff's $5.5M cap hit for a $1.1M cap hit.

So, they, on the surface, have saved $4.4M.

Now, they need to acquire another centre to replace Horcoff.

If they have to pay him $3.5M, they only saved $900K.

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#137 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:48PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Ouch, that hurt...

On the inside....

But you forget he is replacing 5.5 million in salary... That means he is actually getting paid -4.5 mil for cap reasons.

I still haven't heard you explain how Horcoff went from unmovable in your eyes at half salary to us picking up 1 year and 1 million in cap in a 23 year old defence man with 1 great year and 1 poor year in the NHL.

Don't worry I'll wait patiently.

Horcoff was moveable because Dallas was able to dump a player with a $1.1M cap hit.

Horcoff is only getting paid $4M this season so the Oilers only save $2.9M in real dollars.

Good work by MacT in my opinion.

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#138 Crackenbury
July 04 2013, 08:49PM
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@Ca$h-Money!

Really? I never would have guessed that. Maybe you should get on the phone and let MacT know so he doesn't make the same mistake.

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#139 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 08:50PM
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@DSF

Right, but they also save the $1M on a 7th Dman from having in effect replacing Peckham.

So if, for instance, they signed Grabovski for $3.5M they just a) got a better 3rd line C, b) improved their defensive depth, albeit marginally, and c) still shaved $2M off the cap.

It's a very good outcome.

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#140 Crackenbury
July 04 2013, 08:50PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

People care about salaries because we have 5 big names that are gonna need 5 big paychecks to stay here. Overpaying one guy could mean we have no cap room to re-sign the young talent we just gained from being the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

You better get on the phone too! MacT is about to blow it big time.

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#141 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 08:51PM
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Having a debate with myself about Hall being captain. He's going to be a great captain. But part of me worries whether it's too soon. It's hockey country. People were on MacT's back on his first day on the job as GM.

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#142 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:52PM
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@madjam

ya seem disturbed about the horcoff trade dude...were ya not one of the many who have complained about horcoff's contract being overpaid and have added the oilers must dump Horcoff/

If not then i take this back bud..

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#143 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 08:52PM
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@Crackenbury

You're the one posting idiotic comments asking why people care about salaries. Put your helmet on and go back to watching baseball.

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#144 DSF
July 04 2013, 08:54PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Right, but they also save the $1M on a 7th Dman from having in effect replacing Peckham.

So if, for instance, they signed Grabovski for $3.5M they just a) got a better 3rd line C, b) improved their defensive depth, albeit marginally, and c) still shaved $2M off the cap.

It's a very good outcome.

Sure.

If the Oilers could sign Grabovski for $3.5M, but he won't sign for that.

He'd be off to the KHL in a heartbeat if that was the best offer.

Your castle has a foundation of sand.

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#145 WhattaMike
July 04 2013, 08:55PM
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@Lochenzo

hey Bud...Colorado made Landeskog the captain very soon...and Crosby was made captian quickly too.. and so I think Hall is ready after 3 yrs on this team..

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#146 Naky
July 04 2013, 08:59PM
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The acquisition of Larsen means Potter should be nervous. I know someone else said that he basically takes Peckham's place on the roster, but I don't think so as they don't play the same style of game. He does, however, seem like a perfect person to put pressure on Potter who I would assume the organization is neither pleased nor displeased with. Potter was Renney's man and since his extension he hasn't played like he did to earn that extension.

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#147 dunk7
July 04 2013, 08:59PM
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I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

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#148 Ca$h-Money!
July 04 2013, 09:10PM
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dunk7 wrote:

I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

Agreed.

It's nuts how people are already down on the guy. He's a young dman, projected to be 2 way. Lots of Dmen don't turn the corner unit they are 23 or 24. We can give him a shot in the 6/7/8 spot... worth a shot. He has shown plenty of flashes of solid play.

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#149 DSF
July 04 2013, 09:11PM
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dunk7 wrote:

I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

In his 23 year old season, Cam Barker scored 6 goals and 40 points.

Barker is 6'3" 215 while Larssen is 6'1' 183.

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#150 Clyde Frog
July 04 2013, 09:12PM
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dunk7 wrote:

I don't get how people are ripping on Larsen...he's a young D-Man (23) that had a good rookie season and a sub par 2nd year.

Because they have to...

So many have drawn their self worth from proclaiming how terrible horcoff's contract was and declaring they would never have done it...

Now they have nothing to support their egos with.

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