CLOSE TO BOLD?

Lowetide
July 06 2013 05:42PM

Earlier today, the St. Louis Blues signed forward Derek Roy to a 1-year, $4M contract. The deal--and the rfa's still on the Blues list of 'things to do' might mean a solid scoring winger shakes loose from the very deep St. Louis depth chart.

The Blues as we speak have have about 8M to sign the following rfa's:

  • R Chris Stewart, their leading scorer and a coveted PF
  • D Alex Pietrangelo, a franchise type defender coming into his own

This is going to be close, and I think there might be a chance for a club (oh, say the Oilers) to jump in and help St. Louis while also improving their own lot. As we've discussed for ages, and MacT has mentioned many times, the Oilers need a complementary player to go with the fab five (Hall, Nuge, Yak City, Ebs, Gagner). The internal candidates are:

  • Magnus Paajarvi, a solid young player but thought to be shy offensively.
  • Ryan Jones, recently signed and possessing offensive ability
  • Jesse Joensu, newly signed big man who has a nice range of skills but lacks NHL success
  • Ales Hemsky, thought to be headed out of town but only if a replacement can be found.

IS THERE A MATCH?

About a week ago, leading up to the draft, there were reports of Perron's possibly being available:

  • Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Disptach: The Blues also engaged in some preliminary trade chatter as other teams checked in on goaltender Jaroslav Halak and winger David Perron.

Those rumblings appear to have re-started and with the signing of Roy this could be closer now. The Fourth Period repeated the Perron rumor as the weekend started and things could heat up at any time.

Perron is a very skilled forward who can play at a very high level. In 340 NHL games, he's scored 84-114-198, which works out to 20-28-48 per 82 games. Here is the Hockey News description of the player:

As you can see, there's some health issues--Perron has had concussion problems and he spent some time in Ken Hitchcock's doghouse last season. Still, there's a talent player here.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

So far this summer, General Managers have had a terrible time making trades. However, the window of opportunity may be opening for Craig MacTavish. The St. Louis Blues may be willing to deal one of their skill forwards for a less expensive forward or a package of prospects. And this should take place in other NHL cities as teams near roster completion and find themselves up against the cap.

David Perron could have a new NHL address in the coming days, and other names may emerge. Edmonton has the trade assets, the cap room and the desire to make a bold move. 

Stay tuned!

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#101 Shredder
July 07 2013, 09:30AM
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Why not just sign Nik Antropov? He's still available right?

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#102 Quicksilver ballet
July 07 2013, 09:55AM
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Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

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#103 michael
July 07 2013, 10:04AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

Delusions or grandeur Quicksilver? Holy Batman Neal and Perron. Might as well ask for Messier to suit up this year too.

Under the heading of luxury's we can't afford. N.Shultz is a guy who at 3.5 is exactly that. Time to move him onward.

The Oilers should buyout Potters last year. A regular buyout. Then sign Fistric. The Oilers will need his toughness in the lineup when they go up against the big boys from the Pacific divison.

Gagner? 5 x 5.5?

Grabbo 1 x 3.0? No term. Show up and provelast year was a fluke.

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#104 Edsez
July 07 2013, 10:37AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

Something will definitely have to give there ..... it will be interesting to see which big $$$ contract they decide they opt to flip for picks and prospects

a name that isn't discussed much is Brenden Morrow. while he's not a James Neal is he still a 25g/50pt #2 LW and can he be got for less than $4 mil ?

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#105 DSF
July 07 2013, 11:11AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

and Gagner in his PRE DRAFT YEAR (17) had 118 pts

But Perron wasn't riding Kane's coat tails.

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#106 DSF
July 07 2013, 11:15AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

What about who they get in return for Perron? Even though they could trade him for only prospects or picks most teams want to move out a bit of salary in a trade. So let's say a player at $1 mill comes back with picks/prospects.

That gives them $10.6 mill in cap space. If they "drop a forward, their only reasonable choices make $600k which gives you $11.2 mill.

Pietrangelo wants north of $7 mill but let's say they get him at $7 mill, that leaves $4.2 mill for Stewart which won't be close to getting him signed.

That's why I don't think they can sign both, plus the fact that St. Louis has never been close to a cap team, (never been over $54 mill) and unless their owners have a huge change of heart, I don't see them wanting to be maxed out before the season starts.

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland 35m

Doug Armstrong tells me there will be no issue fitting Pietrangelo and Stewart under the cap with roster as it currently sits #stlblues

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#107 EHH Team
July 07 2013, 12:09PM
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michael wrote:

Delusions or grandeur Quicksilver? Holy Batman Neal and Perron. Might as well ask for Messier to suit up this year too.

Under the heading of luxury's we can't afford. N.Shultz is a guy who at 3.5 is exactly that. Time to move him onward.

The Oilers should buyout Potters last year. A regular buyout. Then sign Fistric. The Oilers will need his toughness in the lineup when they go up against the big boys from the Pacific divison.

Gagner? 5 x 5.5?

Grabbo 1 x 3.0? No term. Show up and provelast year was a fluke.

I agree. It's better for MacT to take a sensible approach & hit a few singles then trying to hit home runs in his first year.

5 X 5.5 seems too rich for Gagner IMO.

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#108 fig pucker
July 07 2013, 12:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Pietrangelo's agent said on Friday he won't sign an offer sheet:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/stl130706.html

and hitler said he wouldn't invade poland, and what do ya know he did. people say never all the time, make him a good offer and see what happens. i hate giving up before we even try.

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#109 The Soup Fascist
July 07 2013, 01:00PM
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Edsez wrote:

Something will definitely have to give there ..... it will be interesting to see which big $$$ contract they decide they opt to flip for picks and prospects

a name that isn't discussed much is Brenden Morrow. while he's not a James Neal is he still a 25g/50pt #2 LW and can he be got for less than $4 mil ?

Morrow has stated publicly he wants to sign with a Stanley Cup contender. He still has enough game that someone with a sniff will give him an offer.

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#110 Quicksilver ballet
July 07 2013, 01:18PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Morrow has stated publicly he wants to sign with a Stanley Cup contender. He still has enough game that someone with a sniff will give him an offer.

Don't understand why players feel the need to go to teams that don't really need them to begin with. Players on the down side of their careers seem to gravitate to the path of least resistance. Why not take on a larger challenge, a challenge like the one Andrew Ference chose to take on. Greater risk and a similar measure of reward at stake for those who embrace the opportunity.

These guys are all winners, whether they have their name on the cup or not. Why not go where you're wanted/needed more, rather than cherry pick your spot and accept a smaller role. Morrow has a ring already, does he need one for his ego too.

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#111 They're $hittie
July 07 2013, 01:26PM
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DSF wrote:

But Perron wasn't riding Kane's coat tails.

But Perron was 19 and Gagner was 17.

Thats a big difference in CHL hockey. Not one draft list had Perron ranked higher than Gagner. But I guess you know better than all the scouts and panels.

And if you actually watch hi-lights you would see Gagner did a lot on his own.

Next time come up with a better argument other than riding Kane. Your boy Brodin road Suter pretty good this year.

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#112 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Stewart won't get more than $4.2M in any universe.

STL top paid forward is David Backes at $4.5M.

I can see them trading Perron for a young prospect (say Paajarvi) and a pick next season and the prospect would have to earn his spot on the team or play in the AHL.

In the event he plays in the NHL, another forward won't.

Horton (28 yrs) gets $5.3 on 7 yrs and very injury prone and Clowe (31 yrs)gets $4.9 and also injury prone past his prime Clarkson (29) $5.25 on 7 years and late in his prime less proven only 1 year over 17 goals.

Stewart only 25, more proven than Clarkson way healthier than Horton or Clowe and is just entering his prime and you say he won't get more than $4.2 mill? He would get $6 mill on open market, if you don't buy any UFA years you need to be at $5 mill min, you want UFA years, $5.5-$5.75 to sign him.

What does Backes contract have to do with it?? Dustin Brown $3.2, Pacioretty $4.5, Loui Eriksson $4.25, Glencross $2.5, Parenteau $4, Ladd $4.4, Moulson $3.1. There are lots of value contracts out there where top players on their teams that teams have signed others for much more. What others make on the team is irrelevant to what a player can sign for, it is all relevant to the year their contracts are up.

If they don't offer Stewart more than $4.2, he will sign an offersheet. Once Pietrangelo is signed by STL, an offer sheet for $6 mill is only worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick, STL will want more than that in return but cannot afford the contract. Trading for Boumeester really screwed Armstrong this year.

If they get Paajarvi for Perron, that will likely be a $1.5 mill contract which means they could only afford $3.9 mill for Stewart anyway so your whole theory is shot. Good try though, maybe next time you can try and B.S. someone else to try to prove your point

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#113 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:50PM
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DSF wrote:

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland 35m

Doug Armstrong tells me there will be no issue fitting Pietrangelo and Stewart under the cap with roster as it currently sits #stlblues

You really thing a GM will put a target on his back and say they can't afford to sign their RFA's?

Whats he going to say "oh yeah, I didn't do my job and now can afford to sign both of my RFA's so go ahead and sign them to offersheets cause we can't match it anyway"

You don't need to be a genius to figure that out.

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#114 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:55PM
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madjam wrote:

DSF : Keep up with your blogs . You seem to have a different perspective from most and are not prone to drinking the Kool-Aid most do . You see more reality and obviously do a lot of reseach to back your opinions . I may not always agree but respect your unique take on things . Adds depth to the site . Thanks again for backing me up on Perron by the way .

DSF has blogs? would love to know which ones, some days I just need a good laugh!

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#115 DSF
July 07 2013, 04:18PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Horton (28 yrs) gets $5.3 on 7 yrs and very injury prone and Clowe (31 yrs)gets $4.9 and also injury prone past his prime Clarkson (29) $5.25 on 7 years and late in his prime less proven only 1 year over 17 goals.

Stewart only 25, more proven than Clarkson way healthier than Horton or Clowe and is just entering his prime and you say he won't get more than $4.2 mill? He would get $6 mill on open market, if you don't buy any UFA years you need to be at $5 mill min, you want UFA years, $5.5-$5.75 to sign him.

What does Backes contract have to do with it?? Dustin Brown $3.2, Pacioretty $4.5, Loui Eriksson $4.25, Glencross $2.5, Parenteau $4, Ladd $4.4, Moulson $3.1. There are lots of value contracts out there where top players on their teams that teams have signed others for much more. What others make on the team is irrelevant to what a player can sign for, it is all relevant to the year their contracts are up.

If they don't offer Stewart more than $4.2, he will sign an offersheet. Once Pietrangelo is signed by STL, an offer sheet for $6 mill is only worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick, STL will want more than that in return but cannot afford the contract. Trading for Boumeester really screwed Armstrong this year.

If they get Paajarvi for Perron, that will likely be a $1.5 mill contract which means they could only afford $3.9 mill for Stewart anyway so your whole theory is shot. Good try though, maybe next time you can try and B.S. someone else to try to prove your point

Now, go back and count how many players STL has on its roster WITHOUT Stewart and Pietrangelo.

I count 15 forwards (including 7 NHL centres) and 8 defensemen.

With Stewart and Pietranglo that would be 16 forwards and 9 defensemen.

I'm just spitballing here. but I doubt the NHL is going to allow them to have a 27 man roster.

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#116 Jeffff
July 07 2013, 05:48PM
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@toprightcorner

I mean this in the nicest way madjam is an idiot.

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#117 Wax Man Riley
July 07 2013, 08:51PM
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Jeffff wrote:

I mean this in the nicest way madjam is an idiot.

Hi pot.

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#118 The Soup Fascist
July 07 2013, 08:55PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Don't understand why players feel the need to go to teams that don't really need them to begin with. Players on the down side of their careers seem to gravitate to the path of least resistance. Why not take on a larger challenge, a challenge like the one Andrew Ference chose to take on. Greater risk and a similar measure of reward at stake for those who embrace the opportunity.

These guys are all winners, whether they have their name on the cup or not. Why not go where you're wanted/needed more, rather than cherry pick your spot and accept a smaller role. Morrow has a ring already, does he need one for his ego too.

Every player has different thought processes and motivations. All I know is winning cups seems to be what floats Morrow's boat at this point.

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#119 michael
July 07 2013, 09:10PM
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Put up your hands.Who thinks Chris Stewart is resigned in St Louis. My vote is no friggin way. With Ty Rattie on the brink you think giving Stewart an overpay is better than have Rattie come on and make the team out of training camp. Lets see CS 6 million. Or Ty Rattie. Maybe 1.8 million. I know if were the GM where I would lean considering CS history as a Penner wannabe. I would rather take a shot at Perron than CS. Seems more a sure thing.

I thought that we were shying away from those stupid risky contracts. And guess what MacT has.He paid Gordon a solid 3 million plus a 3 year term for a guy we all know will be a huge upgrade on Belanger in terms of defensive reliability. If he scores 15 points a year I'll be thrilled. What I expect is a guy who kills PK and is a 55+- guy in the defensive dot. Don't expect the same in the offensive dot because I hope RNH and Gagner will learn enough from him to nother bonus to signing Gordon he brings that with him to teach the RNh's and Gagners how to get better in the dot.By example and on the ice. His knowledge will help greatly in that aspect if its able to translate effectively to RNH and Gagner.

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#120 Will
July 07 2013, 09:41PM
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Shredder wrote:

Why not just sign Nik Antropov? He's still available right?

Yes, thank you, finally

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#121 kdunbar
July 07 2013, 10:13PM
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Just some thoughts...

1. Nail shoots left and may move to the left wing (which is why the oil go for clarkson and not stalberg)

2. Ben Eager seems to be sticking around (nobody talking about him, but he could make the team. .. 3LW)

3. The oilers have a lot of defencemen for both the big club and the AHL.

4. That leaves brown and MPS and jesse joneseau (sp?) for potentially one forward spot.

5. If yak moves to LW then the spot needing to be filled is actually our 2RW position..

Trade for Stewart as the bold move...

(I can dream)

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#122 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 08 2013, 07:39AM
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Will wrote:

Yes, thank you, finally

As a Winnipegger I can assure you that he's still available for a reason.

No thank you.

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#123 ratman
July 10 2013, 04:17PM
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Nailed it LT!!!!

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