CLOSE TO BOLD?

Lowetide
July 06 2013 05:42PM

Earlier today, the St. Louis Blues signed forward Derek Roy to a 1-year, $4M contract. The deal--and the rfa's still on the Blues list of 'things to do' might mean a solid scoring winger shakes loose from the very deep St. Louis depth chart.

The Blues as we speak have have about 8M to sign the following rfa's:

  • R Chris Stewart, their leading scorer and a coveted PF
  • D Alex Pietrangelo, a franchise type defender coming into his own

This is going to be close, and I think there might be a chance for a club (oh, say the Oilers) to jump in and help St. Louis while also improving their own lot. As we've discussed for ages, and MacT has mentioned many times, the Oilers need a complementary player to go with the fab five (Hall, Nuge, Yak City, Ebs, Gagner). The internal candidates are:

  • Magnus Paajarvi, a solid young player but thought to be shy offensively.
  • Ryan Jones, recently signed and possessing offensive ability
  • Jesse Joensu, newly signed big man who has a nice range of skills but lacks NHL success
  • Ales Hemsky, thought to be headed out of town but only if a replacement can be found.

IS THERE A MATCH?

About a week ago, leading up to the draft, there were reports of Perron's possibly being available:

  • Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Disptach: The Blues also engaged in some preliminary trade chatter as other teams checked in on goaltender Jaroslav Halak and winger David Perron.

Those rumblings appear to have re-started and with the signing of Roy this could be closer now. The Fourth Period repeated the Perron rumor as the weekend started and things could heat up at any time.

Perron is a very skilled forward who can play at a very high level. In 340 NHL games, he's scored 84-114-198, which works out to 20-28-48 per 82 games. Here is the Hockey News description of the player:

As you can see, there's some health issues--Perron has had concussion problems and he spent some time in Ken Hitchcock's doghouse last season. Still, there's a talent player here.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

So far this summer, General Managers have had a terrible time making trades. However, the window of opportunity may be opening for Craig MacTavish. The St. Louis Blues may be willing to deal one of their skill forwards for a less expensive forward or a package of prospects. And this should take place in other NHL cities as teams near roster completion and find themselves up against the cap.

David Perron could have a new NHL address in the coming days, and other names may emerge. Edmonton has the trade assets, the cap room and the desire to make a bold move. 

Stay tuned!

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#1 Woodguy
July 06 2013, 06:04PM
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Perron 5v5 pts/60 last year = 1.58

Pajaarvi 5v5 pts/60 last year = 1.54

Perron did it against tougher comp, but also had better line mates.

Concussion history and 3 years left on his deal.

Pass.

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#2 Jeffff
July 07 2013, 05:48PM
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@toprightcorner

I mean this in the nicest way madjam is an idiot.

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#3 Quicksilver ballet
July 06 2013, 08:00PM
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Ian wrote:

Man people, Couturier is not available!!! why do you keep suggesting that!!

Shut the Puck up..

Seguin wasn't available either, i'm sure you said the same thing about him 2 weeks ago. You must've been rendered catatonic when Alfredsson and Lecavilier changed addresses.

Please just cut it with the, please people, there no way he's available, crap. Tis the season, for moves exactly like this.

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#4 voom04
July 06 2013, 08:50PM
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Yak and trade don`t belong in trhe sme sentence period!!!! utter nonsence

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#5 TDSM31
July 06 2013, 11:47PM
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DSF wrote:

No he hasn't but, as a centre in his final year of junior, he scored 39G and 83PTS and was +37.

Grasp at straws much? He hasn't played center for the past 7 years...and never in the NHL....means he's not a center. And did you really just quote a veteran NHLers junior stats?? Alexandre Daigle had 137 pts in 53 games in his last full year of junior.

Just say "Sorry, you're right...Perron is not a center. My bad." and we can move on.

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#6 They're $hittie
July 07 2013, 01:26PM
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DSF wrote:

But Perron wasn't riding Kane's coat tails.

But Perron was 19 and Gagner was 17.

Thats a big difference in CHL hockey. Not one draft list had Perron ranked higher than Gagner. But I guess you know better than all the scouts and panels.

And if you actually watch hi-lights you would see Gagner did a lot on his own.

Next time come up with a better argument other than riding Kane. Your boy Brodin road Suter pretty good this year.

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#7 Supernova
July 06 2013, 06:59PM
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Racki wrote:

I would do that. I do think Schultz will be a very good d-man, but you have to put the team first, and I think if the Oilers get Schenn+Coburn, this is a much better team than with the Schultzy twins.

Now would Philly do it...?

The optics of trading Justin Schultz this soon after he choose Edmonton over everyone else would be horrible. Edmonton can not afford to do that. He is untradeable for a while, unless he requests. Then he has the bad optics because he would spurn two organizations in a short time. In my mind he has effectively got a no trade clause. Not sure how long but at least until he has a new deal.

Also what has Schenn proven, we don't know he is even better than Gagner or even as good. Why not sign Gagner and Grabovski without waiting for another few years for one of Schenn or courterier to develop

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#8 Powder
July 06 2013, 05:58PM
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PRV and a pick for Perron

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#9 MKE
July 06 2013, 07:00PM
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@Supernova

To add to your point, you can't trade elite players who actually want to be here.

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#10 Rama Lama
July 06 2013, 07:25PM
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If anyone can find a more productive power forward than Brad Boyes that requires no trading of assets.......because he is a UFA, I'm all ears?

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#11 Metal&Oil
July 06 2013, 08:10PM
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I'd rather stick with J.Schultz based on how he tore the AHL a new one like no other rookie offensive Dman has in many moons. I don't give up players that show this type of potential unless it gives you a proven and elite player in return and I don't see that yet in Schenn or Couturier.

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#12 TDSM31
July 07 2013, 12:08AM
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Hey DSF, the fact that madjam just endorsed you says it all.

Now if Brownlee would only let NewAgeSys back in we'd have our starting lineup...NewAge and madjam on the wings with Perron...er...sorry...DSF at center.

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#13 They're $hittie
July 07 2013, 06:16AM
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DSF wrote:

No he hasn't but, as a centre in his final year of junior, he scored 39G and 83PTS and was +37.

and Gagner in his PRE DRAFT YEAR (17) had 118 pts

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#14 Spydyr
July 07 2013, 07:45AM
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Pietrangelo is the new Weber.

Stars in your eyes my friends stars in your eyes.

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#15 Wax Man Riley
July 07 2013, 08:51PM
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Jeffff wrote:

I mean this in the nicest way madjam is an idiot.

Hi pot.

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#16 The Real Scuba Steve
July 06 2013, 06:00PM
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I really hope MacT can pull off another trade off before training camp, Our current roster is still not enough.

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#17 The Real Scuba Steve
July 06 2013, 06:01PM
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I really hope MacT can pull off another trade off before training camp, Our current roster is still not enough.

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#18 The Real Scuba Steve
July 06 2013, 06:01PM
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I really hope MacT can pull off another trade off before training camp, Our current roster is still not enough.

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#19 Metal&Oil
July 06 2013, 06:23PM
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Ian wrote:

Man people, Couturier is not available!!! why do you keep suggesting that!!

With Holmgren at the helm any and all players on the Flyers are available.

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#20 a lg dubl dubl
July 06 2013, 06:46PM
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@gr8one

So you'd trade J.Shultz over Petry?

Id get rid of next yrs 1st before Shultz Jr

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#21 MKE
July 06 2013, 06:47PM
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Jerod wrote:

Oilers are too weak up the middle, they are a lottery pick team for next season. Perron would be nice however Edmonton has enough skill in their top 6. What they are missing is a 2 way center. I'd rather take 1 step back and 2 steps forward. I'd be looking at Sean Couturier or Scott Laughton. Philly is very strong up the middle Oilers need a potential 2nd line center.

Couturier is way over valued. Yes he has potential, but he's way over valued. He scored a pathetic 4 goal last year.

In 123 games, he's averaged 0.34 points a game. You need much more production out of your second line center. More size and more jam mean nothing if you can't produce in a second line role.

Not to mention that he has a very reasonable cap hit under 1.5 million and would not be moved for "cap reasons".

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#22 toprightcorner
July 06 2013, 08:26PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Hemsky and Pitlick for Stewart

Petry, Maracin and next yrs 1st for Coburn and B.Shenn

Not a chance, you are dreaming and way overvaluing our players and not filling anything with trade partners.

STL won't save cap space and gets an inferior player and a failed prospect. Ridiculous offer

PHI wants to upgrade defence not down grade, Colburn way better than Petry and you really think Maracin would get you B.Schenn? Delusional!

At least make reasonable trade suggestions, you probably think Omark could get you a 2C too?

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#23 madjam
July 06 2013, 11:57PM
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DSF : Keep up with your blogs . You seem to have a different perspective from most and are not prone to drinking the Kool-Aid most do . You see more reality and obviously do a lot of reseach to back your opinions . I may not always agree but respect your unique take on things . Adds depth to the site . Thanks again for backing me up on Perron by the way .

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#24 Jeffff
July 07 2013, 09:09AM
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@madjam

DSF was not backing you up he got it wrong regarding the position of the player.

You on the other got it wrong because you had no idea where he played and copy and paste some blurb you may have read.

Kool-Aid- what an original thought, i guess you can hide behind word.

Sad

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#25 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Stewart won't get more than $4.2M in any universe.

STL top paid forward is David Backes at $4.5M.

I can see them trading Perron for a young prospect (say Paajarvi) and a pick next season and the prospect would have to earn his spot on the team or play in the AHL.

In the event he plays in the NHL, another forward won't.

Horton (28 yrs) gets $5.3 on 7 yrs and very injury prone and Clowe (31 yrs)gets $4.9 and also injury prone past his prime Clarkson (29) $5.25 on 7 years and late in his prime less proven only 1 year over 17 goals.

Stewart only 25, more proven than Clarkson way healthier than Horton or Clowe and is just entering his prime and you say he won't get more than $4.2 mill? He would get $6 mill on open market, if you don't buy any UFA years you need to be at $5 mill min, you want UFA years, $5.5-$5.75 to sign him.

What does Backes contract have to do with it?? Dustin Brown $3.2, Pacioretty $4.5, Loui Eriksson $4.25, Glencross $2.5, Parenteau $4, Ladd $4.4, Moulson $3.1. There are lots of value contracts out there where top players on their teams that teams have signed others for much more. What others make on the team is irrelevant to what a player can sign for, it is all relevant to the year their contracts are up.

If they don't offer Stewart more than $4.2, he will sign an offersheet. Once Pietrangelo is signed by STL, an offer sheet for $6 mill is only worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick, STL will want more than that in return but cannot afford the contract. Trading for Boumeester really screwed Armstrong this year.

If they get Paajarvi for Perron, that will likely be a $1.5 mill contract which means they could only afford $3.9 mill for Stewart anyway so your whole theory is shot. Good try though, maybe next time you can try and B.S. someone else to try to prove your point

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#26 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:50PM
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DSF wrote:

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland 35m

Doug Armstrong tells me there will be no issue fitting Pietrangelo and Stewart under the cap with roster as it currently sits #stlblues

You really thing a GM will put a target on his back and say they can't afford to sign their RFA's?

Whats he going to say "oh yeah, I didn't do my job and now can afford to sign both of my RFA's so go ahead and sign them to offersheets cause we can't match it anyway"

You don't need to be a genius to figure that out.

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#27 toprightcorner
July 07 2013, 01:55PM
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madjam wrote:

DSF : Keep up with your blogs . You seem to have a different perspective from most and are not prone to drinking the Kool-Aid most do . You see more reality and obviously do a lot of reseach to back your opinions . I may not always agree but respect your unique take on things . Adds depth to the site . Thanks again for backing me up on Perron by the way .

DSF has blogs? would love to know which ones, some days I just need a good laugh!

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#28 ratman
July 10 2013, 04:17PM
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Nailed it LT!!!!

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#29 Rod from Viking
July 06 2013, 05:52PM
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Trade for Stewart and then offer sheet Pietrangelo, this would put the Oil in the playoffs. Armstrong and Mac T finding a barn to settle their differences.

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#30 99thOilerfan
July 06 2013, 05:57PM
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Ha!

As a dog owner, your dog clip is very funny!

As an Oiler fan, it makes me think of MacT's attempts to be bold.... not so funny....

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#31 Jerod
July 06 2013, 06:00PM
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Oilers are too weak up the middle, they are a lottery pick team for next season. Perron would be nice however Edmonton has enough skill in their top 6. What they are missing is a 2 way center. I'd rather take 1 step back and 2 steps forward. I'd be looking at Sean Couturier or Scott Laughton. Philly is very strong up the middle Oilers need a potential 2nd line center.

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#32 Ian
July 06 2013, 06:03PM
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Jerod wrote:

Oilers are too weak up the middle, they are a lottery pick team for next season. Perron would be nice however Edmonton has enough skill in their top 6. What they are missing is a 2 way center. I'd rather take 1 step back and 2 steps forward. I'd be looking at Sean Couturier or Scott Laughton. Philly is very strong up the middle Oilers need a potential 2nd line center.

Man people, Couturier is not available!!! why do you keep suggesting that!!

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#33 Jackson
July 06 2013, 06:03PM
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I think the dog in your caption represents the Oilers. Trying do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. 2nd line Center is what the Oilers need.

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#34 Ian
July 06 2013, 06:04PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Trade for Stewart and then offer sheet Pietrangelo, this would put the Oil in the playoffs. Armstrong and Mac T finding a barn to settle their differences.

Yah thats a reasonable proposal

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#35 Jerod
July 06 2013, 06:05PM
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@Ian

That maybe true but I also mentioned Scott Laughton

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#36 gr8one
July 06 2013, 06:07PM
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Perron doesn't really seem to be a match, he's not a C, nor is he a big winger.

Now if it were Berglund that would be a huge hell yes, and Stewart would be great too, depending on price.

Better yet, offer sheet the hell out of Pietrangelo.

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#37 Jerod
July 06 2013, 06:10PM
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@Ian

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie

Also, PHI is in market for D and may be willing to move one of their young centres - B Schenn or Couturier - for the right deal. 3:42 PM - 8 Jun 2013

Interesting that they are willing to trade Coburn but need Dmen.

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#38 Rod from Viking
July 06 2013, 06:12PM
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@Ian

No it's not, whats yours?

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#39 Racki
July 06 2013, 06:14PM
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gr8one wrote:

Perron doesn't really seem to be a match, he's not a C, nor is he a big winger.

Now if it were Berglund that would be a huge hell yes, and Stewart would be great too, depending on price.

Better yet, offer sheet the hell out of Pietrangelo.

Beat me to it... the Perron stuff.

And you already know the raging one I have for Pietrangelo, so I'd be all for that! Even though Armstrong said they'd match any offer. I'd test that they're really willing... to have a hope though, it will cost two first rounders, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. Pricey. But Pietrangelo is the perfect D piece.

Maybe MacT can talk trade first and see if that goes anywhere.

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#40 Racki
July 06 2013, 06:19PM
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I couldn't imagine the cost to acquire either of Couturier or Schenn when we don't really have any good D that should be available. They are risky pick ups, especially Couturier, but I would definitely go for either though.

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#41 madjam
July 06 2013, 06:19PM
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I've wanted Perron here ever since the year we missed drafting him - even more so than Gagner . But Gagner was still a good pick , but missing two picks later on Perron I was not impressed. Great if we get him , but not really a bold move .

Bold attempt at a bold move : 5Ft.6inch Gerbe let go by Buffalo - can he be the next 5 ft.6inch T.Fleury ? Worth a look ?

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#42 DSF
July 06 2013, 06:22PM
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Racki wrote:

Beat me to it... the Perron stuff.

And you already know the raging one I have for Pietrangelo, so I'd be all for that! Even though Armstrong said they'd match any offer. I'd test that they're really willing... to have a hope though, it will cost two first rounders, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. Pricey. But Pietrangelo is the perfect D piece.

Maybe MacT can talk trade first and see if that goes anywhere.

Pietrangelo's agent said on Friday he won't sign an offer sheet:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/stl130706.html

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#43 Pajamah
July 06 2013, 06:22PM
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Racki wrote:

Beat me to it... the Perron stuff.

And you already know the raging one I have for Pietrangelo, so I'd be all for that! Even though Armstrong said they'd match any offer. I'd test that they're really willing... to have a hope though, it will cost two first rounders, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. Pricey. But Pietrangelo is the perfect D piece.

Maybe MacT can talk trade first and see if that goes anywhere.

I'd make sure that contract offer from the Oilers cost us 4 1st, or there is no way in hell it doesnt get matched.

What is Doughty making? Pietrangelo will get more. Maybe not a ton more, but he is a better defenseman, and a better piece to build a team around.

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#44 Supernova
July 06 2013, 06:28PM
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Offer sheet Petriangelo , and then Chris Stewart. They will match Petriangelo but a $7 million for 8 years, isn't that far out. After the match Petriangelo they might not be inclined to match on Stewart. If they match both, trade assets for Berglund or Oshie.

Highly unlikely to happen, but would be a good plan.

More likely is approach them with a feasible trade, if talks are going well tell them of this intention and it will force their hand on some move

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#45 Racki
July 06 2013, 06:31PM
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Supernova wrote:

Offer sheet Petriangelo , and then Chris Stewart. They will match Petriangelo but a $7 million for 8 years, isn't that far out. After the match Petriangelo they might not be inclined to match on Stewart. If they match both, trade assets for Berglund or Oshie.

Highly unlikely to happen, but would be a good plan.

More likely is approach them with a feasible trade, if talks are going well tell them of this intention and it will force their hand on some move

You can't just throw out multiple offer sheets.. you need the picks for both. Any offer sheets involved there would include the 2014 1st round pick.

And really, since DSF just rained on our parade, it seems that Pietrangelo isn't interested in offer sheets anyways.

I would definitely trade for Stewart though. But I think if that happens, it would create a jam on RW... I'm not confident any of our RW could play the left side... might have to move one.. perhaps Eberle in a different deal for big C or D

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#46 gr8one
July 06 2013, 06:38PM
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Just spitballing here...if what BobMac says is true about Schenn/Couturier

I love Justin Schultz but until this Eureka moment I've never even considered trading him buuuut, if Philly wants a young D with his upside so badly how about offering up something like Nultz and Jultz for Couturier/Schenn and Coburn? Sign Grabovski to replace Gagner at 2C to buy a little development time for Couturier/Schenn and suddenly we look amazing down the middle.

Gagner could then be shipped out in a package for a legit top pairing D.

Hall Nuge Eberle YTD Grabo Yak PRV Couturier YTD Smyth Gordon Jones

Coburn YTD Smid Petry Ference Belov

Bold.

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#47 Racki
July 06 2013, 06:41PM
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gr8one wrote:

Just spitballing here...if what BobMac says is true about Schenn/Couturier

I love Justin Schultz but until this Eureka moment I've never even considered trading him buuuut, if Philly wants a young D with his upside so badly how about offering up something like Nultz and Jultz for Couturier/Schenn and Coburn? Sign Grabovski to replace Gagner at 2C to buy a little development time for Couturier/Schenn and suddenly we look amazing down the middle.

Gagner could then be shipped out in a package for a legit top pairing D.

Hall Nuge Eberle YTD Grabo Yak PRV Couturier YTD Smyth Gordon Jones

Coburn YTD Smid Petry Ference Belov

Bold.

I would do that. I do think Schultz will be a very good d-man, but you have to put the team first, and I think if the Oilers get Schenn+Coburn, this is a much better team than with the Schultzy twins.

Now would Philly do it...?

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#48 a lg dubl dubl
July 06 2013, 06:42PM
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Hemsky and Pitlick for Stewart

Petry, Maracin and next yrs 1st for Coburn and B.Shenn

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#49 Supernova
July 06 2013, 06:45PM
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@Racki

I was meaning one right after the other, when the 1st is matched.

They would likely match Petriangelo almost immediately.

Players say that all the time, but money talks. Especially if the team that holds his rights are not in the ballpark.

In my opinion Petriangelo is one of the few defenceman that is worth either 4 1sts of $7 to 8 million a year, for 8 years.

There is maybe 10 D man worth that.

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#50 wiggs22
July 06 2013, 06:50PM
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@Racki

What about kleffbom + a pick for couturier?

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