CLOSE TO BOLD?

Lowetide
July 06 2013 05:42PM

Earlier today, the St. Louis Blues signed forward Derek Roy to a 1-year, $4M contract. The deal--and the rfa's still on the Blues list of 'things to do' might mean a solid scoring winger shakes loose from the very deep St. Louis depth chart.

The Blues as we speak have have about 8M to sign the following rfa's:

  • R Chris Stewart, their leading scorer and a coveted PF
  • D Alex Pietrangelo, a franchise type defender coming into his own

This is going to be close, and I think there might be a chance for a club (oh, say the Oilers) to jump in and help St. Louis while also improving their own lot. As we've discussed for ages, and MacT has mentioned many times, the Oilers need a complementary player to go with the fab five (Hall, Nuge, Yak City, Ebs, Gagner). The internal candidates are:

  • Magnus Paajarvi, a solid young player but thought to be shy offensively.
  • Ryan Jones, recently signed and possessing offensive ability
  • Jesse Joensu, newly signed big man who has a nice range of skills but lacks NHL success
  • Ales Hemsky, thought to be headed out of town but only if a replacement can be found.

IS THERE A MATCH?

About a week ago, leading up to the draft, there were reports of Perron's possibly being available:

  • Jeff Gordon, St. Louis Post-Disptach: The Blues also engaged in some preliminary trade chatter as other teams checked in on goaltender Jaroslav Halak and winger David Perron.

Those rumblings appear to have re-started and with the signing of Roy this could be closer now. The Fourth Period repeated the Perron rumor as the weekend started and things could heat up at any time.

Perron is a very skilled forward who can play at a very high level. In 340 NHL games, he's scored 84-114-198, which works out to 20-28-48 per 82 games. Here is the Hockey News description of the player:

As you can see, there's some health issues--Perron has had concussion problems and he spent some time in Ken Hitchcock's doghouse last season. Still, there's a talent player here.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

So far this summer, General Managers have had a terrible time making trades. However, the window of opportunity may be opening for Craig MacTavish. The St. Louis Blues may be willing to deal one of their skill forwards for a less expensive forward or a package of prospects. And this should take place in other NHL cities as teams near roster completion and find themselves up against the cap.

David Perron could have a new NHL address in the coming days, and other names may emerge. Edmonton has the trade assets, the cap room and the desire to make a bold move. 

Stay tuned!

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#101 Norm
July 07 2013, 02:58AM
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Ian wrote:

Man people, Couturier is not available!!! why do you keep suggesting that!!

If Gretzky can get traded in his prime so can Petrangelo, Couturier or anyone else you can think of.

Remember who Couturier's GM is...anything is possible. Not saying it will happen but I don't think your inside info is any more accurate or realistic than anyone else's on this site.

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#102 Bonvie
July 07 2013, 04:57AM
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DSF wrote:

Why can't Armstrong sign both of them?

STL has almost $8M in cap space with 24 players, including 15 forwards on their current roster.

If they move out Perron $3.8M and drop another forward, they will have more than $12M to sign Stewart and Pietrangelo.

I remember when the Oilers did the offer sheet on Vanek for around 7 long term. if I were the Oilers I would ensure that they have lots of cap room and offer a long term deal for 8.4 million for 5 or 7 years, go with the longest term they could get. I think he is the premier Defenseman right now who has the widest range of skills, and he has clearly arrived as one of the top 5 Dman in the league and his upside should continue throughout the entire length of the contract.

THIS defines bold!!

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#103 madjam
July 07 2013, 05:44AM
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TDSM31 wrote:

Hey DSF, the fact that madjam just endorsed you says it all.

Now if Brownlee would only let NewAgeSys back in we'd have our starting lineup...NewAge and madjam on the wings with Perron...er...sorry...DSF at center.

I agree they could be bold and go for both . However, Oilers have been stuck in developing their own thru draft for fat to long I believe . It seems unlikely they would break that mode of operation . Personally i'd like to see them deviate more in this second stage of rebuild .

Make your point TDSM31 , but lay off the caustic personal attacks .

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#104 15w40
July 07 2013, 07:33AM
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Couturier provides little cap relief for the Flyers. I think the only way they trade him is if they really think he isn't going to pan out.

Schenn provides a little more immediate relief and is due for a bigger raise in 14-15.

If you are trading for both Schenn and Stewart there is no way that you keep both Pajaarvi and Gagner. Flyers don't want salary so there will be some prospects / picks involved there.

Stewart will require some NHL personnel going back the other way and good ones at that.

Power forward would be great but I still think the Oilers need the bigger centre man more immediately.

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#105 Edsez
July 07 2013, 08:49AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Another target could be Brent Burns. SJ only has $215k in cap space and still need a dman and another forward and couldn't buy out Havlat cause he is injured. They play Burns as a forward and is not worth $5.75 mill as a winger. He would look great in our top 2 on the back end and he is a beast and can play in front of the net on the PP.

SJ needs another solid dman so send them N. Schultz and 2014 1st rounder or Pajaarvi and later pick.

I've been surprised that the Sharks, with their cap issues, don't come up more often in trade rumours.

Wouldn't hurt to ask would it? Depends on how important they see cap space being an issue going forward but Burns, if he'd agree to waive the NTC, would answer a lot of questions on the Oiler defence

here's another angle ...... Couture just signed an extension for $6 mil per and Pavelski will likely need to be re-upped for the same amount next year so a decision needs to be made on re-signing Thornton. Do they want three $6 mil+ centers?

Would they take Hemsky + salary & next year's 1st (+ prospect?)for Thornton? (would he waive his NTC?) ..... Hemsky does fill a positional need and gives the Sharks $4 mil in cap relief

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#106 madjam
July 07 2013, 08:53AM
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How are we doing so far ? Some encouraging signs come from Odds maker in Vegas and Belmont Sportsbook . Oilers tied for 11-17th for Vegas and 12-18th for Sportsbook . Fun for stats lovers . 2014 Stanley Cup odds

First : Vegas odds to play around with : L.A. 15-1 ,Van 16-1 , San J. 18-1 , Anaheim , 22-1 , Oilers 25-1 , Pho. 40-1 , Cal (2nd worst ) 66-1 . Florida 150-1 the longest .

Sportsbook : Van.12-1 , L.A. and San Jose 16-1 , Anaheim 20-1 , Pho.40-1 , Cal . tied for bottom with Florida and Buff. at 100-1 .

Nice to see they think we are heading upward , but both still ranking us below 4th in our new division .

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#107 madjam
July 07 2013, 08:56AM
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Sorry missed Oilers odds at Sportsbook -they are at 30-1 .

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#108 Shredder
July 07 2013, 09:30AM
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Why not just sign Nik Antropov? He's still available right?

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#109 Quicksilver ballet
July 07 2013, 09:55AM
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Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

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#110 michael
July 07 2013, 10:04AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

Delusions or grandeur Quicksilver? Holy Batman Neal and Perron. Might as well ask for Messier to suit up this year too.

Under the heading of luxury's we can't afford. N.Shultz is a guy who at 3.5 is exactly that. Time to move him onward.

The Oilers should buyout Potters last year. A regular buyout. Then sign Fistric. The Oilers will need his toughness in the lineup when they go up against the big boys from the Pacific divison.

Gagner? 5 x 5.5?

Grabbo 1 x 3.0? No term. Show up and provelast year was a fluke.

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#111 Edsez
July 07 2013, 10:37AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Pittsburgh sure looks to be in a bit of a bind. Wonder if James Neal would wave his NT to start fresh in Edmonton.

Perron and Neal would certainly bring hope to what currently appears to be another bleak season ahead. Hate like heck to give up too much to get these guys, considering these guys are a luxury they can no longer afford.

Something will definitely have to give there ..... it will be interesting to see which big $$$ contract they decide they opt to flip for picks and prospects

a name that isn't discussed much is Brenden Morrow. while he's not a James Neal is he still a 25g/50pt #2 LW and can he be got for less than $4 mil ?

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#112 DSF
July 07 2013, 11:11AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

and Gagner in his PRE DRAFT YEAR (17) had 118 pts

But Perron wasn't riding Kane's coat tails.

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#113 DSF
July 07 2013, 11:15AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

What about who they get in return for Perron? Even though they could trade him for only prospects or picks most teams want to move out a bit of salary in a trade. So let's say a player at $1 mill comes back with picks/prospects.

That gives them $10.6 mill in cap space. If they "drop a forward, their only reasonable choices make $600k which gives you $11.2 mill.

Pietrangelo wants north of $7 mill but let's say they get him at $7 mill, that leaves $4.2 mill for Stewart which won't be close to getting him signed.

That's why I don't think they can sign both, plus the fact that St. Louis has never been close to a cap team, (never been over $54 mill) and unless their owners have a huge change of heart, I don't see them wanting to be maxed out before the season starts.

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland 35m

Doug Armstrong tells me there will be no issue fitting Pietrangelo and Stewart under the cap with roster as it currently sits #stlblues

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#114 EHH Team
July 07 2013, 12:09PM
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michael wrote:

Delusions or grandeur Quicksilver? Holy Batman Neal and Perron. Might as well ask for Messier to suit up this year too.

Under the heading of luxury's we can't afford. N.Shultz is a guy who at 3.5 is exactly that. Time to move him onward.

The Oilers should buyout Potters last year. A regular buyout. Then sign Fistric. The Oilers will need his toughness in the lineup when they go up against the big boys from the Pacific divison.

Gagner? 5 x 5.5?

Grabbo 1 x 3.0? No term. Show up and provelast year was a fluke.

I agree. It's better for MacT to take a sensible approach & hit a few singles then trying to hit home runs in his first year.

5 X 5.5 seems too rich for Gagner IMO.

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#115 fig pucker
July 07 2013, 12:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Pietrangelo's agent said on Friday he won't sign an offer sheet:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/stl130706.html

and hitler said he wouldn't invade poland, and what do ya know he did. people say never all the time, make him a good offer and see what happens. i hate giving up before we even try.

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#116 The Soup Fascist
July 07 2013, 01:00PM
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Edsez wrote:

Something will definitely have to give there ..... it will be interesting to see which big $$$ contract they decide they opt to flip for picks and prospects

a name that isn't discussed much is Brenden Morrow. while he's not a James Neal is he still a 25g/50pt #2 LW and can he be got for less than $4 mil ?

Morrow has stated publicly he wants to sign with a Stanley Cup contender. He still has enough game that someone with a sniff will give him an offer.

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#117 Quicksilver ballet
July 07 2013, 01:18PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Morrow has stated publicly he wants to sign with a Stanley Cup contender. He still has enough game that someone with a sniff will give him an offer.

Don't understand why players feel the need to go to teams that don't really need them to begin with. Players on the down side of their careers seem to gravitate to the path of least resistance. Why not take on a larger challenge, a challenge like the one Andrew Ference chose to take on. Greater risk and a similar measure of reward at stake for those who embrace the opportunity.

These guys are all winners, whether they have their name on the cup or not. Why not go where you're wanted/needed more, rather than cherry pick your spot and accept a smaller role. Morrow has a ring already, does he need one for his ego too.

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#118 DSF
July 07 2013, 04:18PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Horton (28 yrs) gets $5.3 on 7 yrs and very injury prone and Clowe (31 yrs)gets $4.9 and also injury prone past his prime Clarkson (29) $5.25 on 7 years and late in his prime less proven only 1 year over 17 goals.

Stewart only 25, more proven than Clarkson way healthier than Horton or Clowe and is just entering his prime and you say he won't get more than $4.2 mill? He would get $6 mill on open market, if you don't buy any UFA years you need to be at $5 mill min, you want UFA years, $5.5-$5.75 to sign him.

What does Backes contract have to do with it?? Dustin Brown $3.2, Pacioretty $4.5, Loui Eriksson $4.25, Glencross $2.5, Parenteau $4, Ladd $4.4, Moulson $3.1. There are lots of value contracts out there where top players on their teams that teams have signed others for much more. What others make on the team is irrelevant to what a player can sign for, it is all relevant to the year their contracts are up.

If they don't offer Stewart more than $4.2, he will sign an offersheet. Once Pietrangelo is signed by STL, an offer sheet for $6 mill is only worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick, STL will want more than that in return but cannot afford the contract. Trading for Boumeester really screwed Armstrong this year.

If they get Paajarvi for Perron, that will likely be a $1.5 mill contract which means they could only afford $3.9 mill for Stewart anyway so your whole theory is shot. Good try though, maybe next time you can try and B.S. someone else to try to prove your point

Now, go back and count how many players STL has on its roster WITHOUT Stewart and Pietrangelo.

I count 15 forwards (including 7 NHL centres) and 8 defensemen.

With Stewart and Pietranglo that would be 16 forwards and 9 defensemen.

I'm just spitballing here. but I doubt the NHL is going to allow them to have a 27 man roster.

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#119 The Soup Fascist
July 07 2013, 08:55PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Don't understand why players feel the need to go to teams that don't really need them to begin with. Players on the down side of their careers seem to gravitate to the path of least resistance. Why not take on a larger challenge, a challenge like the one Andrew Ference chose to take on. Greater risk and a similar measure of reward at stake for those who embrace the opportunity.

These guys are all winners, whether they have their name on the cup or not. Why not go where you're wanted/needed more, rather than cherry pick your spot and accept a smaller role. Morrow has a ring already, does he need one for his ego too.

Every player has different thought processes and motivations. All I know is winning cups seems to be what floats Morrow's boat at this point.

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#120 michael
July 07 2013, 09:10PM
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Put up your hands.Who thinks Chris Stewart is resigned in St Louis. My vote is no friggin way. With Ty Rattie on the brink you think giving Stewart an overpay is better than have Rattie come on and make the team out of training camp. Lets see CS 6 million. Or Ty Rattie. Maybe 1.8 million. I know if were the GM where I would lean considering CS history as a Penner wannabe. I would rather take a shot at Perron than CS. Seems more a sure thing.

I thought that we were shying away from those stupid risky contracts. And guess what MacT has.He paid Gordon a solid 3 million plus a 3 year term for a guy we all know will be a huge upgrade on Belanger in terms of defensive reliability. If he scores 15 points a year I'll be thrilled. What I expect is a guy who kills PK and is a 55+- guy in the defensive dot. Don't expect the same in the offensive dot because I hope RNH and Gagner will learn enough from him to nother bonus to signing Gordon he brings that with him to teach the RNh's and Gagners how to get better in the dot.By example and on the ice. His knowledge will help greatly in that aspect if its able to translate effectively to RNH and Gagner.

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#121 Will
July 07 2013, 09:41PM
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Shredder wrote:

Why not just sign Nik Antropov? He's still available right?

Yes, thank you, finally

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#122 kdunbar
July 07 2013, 10:13PM
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Just some thoughts...

1. Nail shoots left and may move to the left wing (which is why the oil go for clarkson and not stalberg)

2. Ben Eager seems to be sticking around (nobody talking about him, but he could make the team. .. 3LW)

3. The oilers have a lot of defencemen for both the big club and the AHL.

4. That leaves brown and MPS and jesse joneseau (sp?) for potentially one forward spot.

5. If yak moves to LW then the spot needing to be filled is actually our 2RW position..

Trade for Stewart as the bold move...

(I can dream)

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#123 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 08 2013, 07:39AM
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Will wrote:

Yes, thank you, finally

As a Winnipegger I can assure you that he's still available for a reason.

No thank you.

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