The Edmonton Oilers: Today & Tomorrow

Jonathan Willis
July 08 2013 11:31AM

 

Craig MacTavish has been busy in free agency, substantially altering the makeup of his team. It's a sign of where he started from that there's still substantial work to do to improve the Oilers' roster.

Forward Depth Chart

The chart above is my interpretation of the current Oilers' North American roster. I have included only players with an NHL component to their deal, and omitted players expected to be overseas. How does it look?

One thing that comes to mind is that there should be no shortage of competition for depth roles, something the team lacked a year ago. Anton Lander is pencilled in as fourth line centre, but players like Andrew Miller, Mark Arcobello and Will Acton will all be in the mix. Ryan Hamilton, Toni Rajala and Ben Eager should all also compete for playing time as things currently stand. Depth, particularly on the wings, is better than it was a year ago.

Additionally, in Boyd Gordon, Craig MacTavish located the best UFA replacement available for Shawn Horcoff.

But it isn't good enough. The top line is fine - it was fine last year, and it's fine now. Magnus Paajarvi is a stretch as a second-line winger at this point in his career, particularly on a line featuring Nail Yakupov, whose overall game is still rounding into NHL form. Jesse Joensuu, an occasional New York Islander in the past, is a long way from a sure thing on the third line. There's likely still an Ales Hemsky trade coming, at which point the team needs someone to fill his spot - Ryan Jones can in a pinch, but asking Jones to play that role for 82 games is asking for trouble. Anton Lander's riding an end-of-season hot streak but likely should start 2013-14 in the minors.

Ideally, the team should add three more bodies to the mix:

Second-line left wing - a guy who in a perfect world adds size, aggressiveness, and a two-way game is going to be difficult to find and almost certainly needs to come via trade. My guess is that the Oilers can probably land a player with two out of three for not too much - as examples, R.J. Umberger would add a responsible two-way presence and a 6'2", 220 pound frame while a winger like Ryan Malone (if willing to accept a trade West) would bring all three but comes with a significant injury tag. Finding a perfect fit will be very hard to do, especially without paying a fortune.

Third-line right wing shouldn't be too hard to acquire - he's likely the player that comes back when Hemsky gets shipped out of town. This is another position that probably needs to be filled via trade, as the UFA crop is thin on players who can kill penalties and handle a ton of defensive responsibility in this role.

Fourth-line centre is a spot the team should be able to fill. Players like David Steckel, Tim Brent, and Manny Malhotra are still unsigned, and would significantly shore up the Oilers depth, allowing them to continue developing Lander in the AHL for the beginning of 2013-14.

Defensive Depth Chart

As before, my interpretation of where the Oilers are, this time on the blue line and in net. Players with an asterisk are left-shooting defencement slotted in at the right-hand side for the purposes of this exercise.

Goaltending is relatively solid. Dubnyk is a respectable number one, LaBarbera a cheap and effective backup, and Bachman a number three with relatively extensive NHL experience. LaBarbera is seen as a pure backup in some quarters, but that likely isn't totally fair - Ilya Bryzgalov and Mike Smith have been fairly difficult to supplant in recent years, and LaBarbera's NHL numbers over that span indicate a guy who could play more without hurting his team. He is a real option should Dubnyk struggle or get hurt.

Defensively, depth is good, particularly on the left side. A quick note about Lee Moffie - he isn't signed, but given that the Oilers traded for him it's a reasonable expectation that he will be. There are eight defenders on my NHL roster at the moment, but I fully expect Edmonton to go with fourteen forwards and seven defenders - it's a reasonable bet that the acquisition of Philip Larsen makes Corey Potter the odd man out. The AHL team should be bursting at the seams with recall options - Fedun (and possibly Potter, should he clear waivers and be assigned to Oklahoma) on the right side, Klefbom and Marincin for sure on the left. The problem is the top pairing: Petry and Smid struggled in the role last season. That means the Oilers have one slot to fill.

I have subtracted Nick Schultz from this equation, but Ladislav Smid is a player with significant trade value and could be out instead if the Oilers add a top-pairing player. Also worth noting: that player does not necessarily need to be a left-side defenceman - I have it set up that way because the pairing of Ference (or Nick Schultz) and Philip Larsen is one I would be more comfortable with than an Anton Belov/Justin Schultz pairing.

My guess is that this is why the Oilers were looking at Braydon Coburn. If they believe that Coburn is a similar player to Smid in many areas (especially as a physical presence in front of the net) but an upgrade in his ability to move the puck, than a Coburn/Petry top pairing makes some sense. That would leave Smid (or Andrew Ference) on a pairing with Justin Schultz, and Andrew Ference (or Nick Schultz) on third pairing duty with Philip Larsen. It still wouldn't be an ideal defence core because of the lack of a clear number one defenceman, but as a by-committee approach it really isn't bad.

The big, physical winger position is the one that has received most of the attention; the need for a new top-pairing defender might be the team's greatest actual weakness, as currently constructed.

Recently around the Nation Network

There is still much to do in Edmonton, but it appears things are done in Calgary:

It appears the Flames are finished window shopping for UFA's. Word is the club hasn't even bothered contacting Mason Raymond and probably the only other worthwhile player on the market given Calgary's needs is Mikhail Grabovski. Naturally, there hasn't been even a whisper that Calgary has any interest at all. So, absent any left field trades, what you see is likely what you get when it comes to the roster.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#51 Taylor Gang
July 08 2013, 01:25PM
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So uhm... Does anyone actually know how good Belov is supposed to be?

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#52 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 01:28PM
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There is no way they trade Smid, defenseman like him are hard to find.

Let me fix that for you OB....There's a good reason to trade Smid, defenseman like him are easy to find.

The Flyers are currently looking for dmen, yet they're looking to unload Braydon Coburn. What should that say about this player, let alone the fact that he's a better dman than the Oilers Smid. I'd even take Mezsaros over Lady.(no pun intended)

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#53 Rama Lama
July 08 2013, 01:29PM
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Good overview on a needs assessment........can't help but wonder on the back end who will play the nasty " in your face" role.

The combinations by any measure show a weakness on the physical play and after a few games our small defenseman will start to wear down. I know that much has been written on needing a big body in the top six role ( Brad Boyes is still available) but I think we need a big mean defenseman more!

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#54 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 01:30PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

So uhm... Does anyone actually know how good Belov is supposed to be?

He looked pretty dran good during the world tourney this summer. I have Belov at the 4 or 5 spot for defenseman on the Oil roster.

I don't know why so many people are bashing him on here. It has become pretty clear after this past week that some of the D on the roster are definitely going to be traded.

I see Ference, Smid, Baby Shultz, and Belov being the only safe ones. Petry to maybe, but only because they've invested a lot of time into him.

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#55 fig pucker
July 08 2013, 01:32PM
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What do you offer-sheet him to a 7 year x 9 million dollar contract. St. Louis might even match that. Offer sheets are stupid, they never work, and karma will bite you in the ars, cause someone will drive the price on RNH or Yak. Big N O.

And St. Louis have players and good contracts that other teams would want. I expect they will trade a Oshie, or Sobotka, or Berglund and retain Stewart and Pieterangelo.

yes i would give him a big offer sheet. he's a legitimate number one d man. offer sheets do work, dustin penner, while granted he and peiterangelo are not even close in value, st.louis may decide to walk and take the picks, if they match the offer they will be forced to trade a few significant pieces to stay under the cap, shake the tree see what falls out. in terms of blow back if they offer sheet one of our players we'll deal with it then, caps going up anyhow (new tv deal in canada coming) timid thinkers never make bold moves.

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#56 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 01:37PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me fix that for you OB....There's a good reason to trade Smid, defenseman like him are easy to find.

The Flyers are currently looking for dmen, yet they're looking to unload Braydon Coburn. What should that say about this player, let alone the fact that he's a better dman than the Oilers Smid. I'd even take Mezsaros over Lady.(no pun intended)

6'3" 230 pound defenseman who constantly block shots in any way possible, and bring great energy into the dressing room are easy to find?

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#57 Taylor Gang
July 08 2013, 01:39PM
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yes i would give him a big offer sheet. he's a legitimate number one d man. offer sheets do work, dustin penner, while granted he and peiterangelo are not even close in value, st.louis may decide to walk and take the picks, if they match the offer they will be forced to trade a few significant pieces to stay under the cap, shake the tree see what falls out. in terms of blow back if they offer sheet one of our players we'll deal with it then, caps going up anyhow (new tv deal in canada coming) timid thinkers never make bold moves.

If I'm not mistaken Penner is the only offer in history that hasn't been matched before.

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#58 Spydyr
July 08 2013, 01:39PM
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6'3" 230 pound defenseman who constantly block shots in any way possible, and bring great energy into the dressing room are easy to find?

Sure they are on planet Quicksilver

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#59 Lochenzo
July 08 2013, 01:39PM
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How about Brendan Morrow to fill in some of that bottom 6 winger depth, assuming Hemsky gets traded to fill another position. Long in the tooth, but his regular season was still productive last year with 25 points. Bombed in the playoffs tho.

Still, he's a bigger bodied guy and brings experience and leadership. If you ask him to stand in front of the net on the PP, he will.

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#61 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 01:44PM
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@fig pucker

Have to wonder by now if the Sabres wished they hadn't matched the Oilers offer sheet on Vanek. Only thing it managed to do was insured that he was overpaid by 2 1/2 million per season. Look at where those lotto selections would've been, in lieu of Vanek. Tomas would've been another Penner, here by himself with the weight on the hockey club on his shoulders.

Hard to believe a kid just barely at the end of his ELC, is seen by some here as a legitimate No.1 blueliner already. He may become one, but he isn't a league wide unanimous one yet like Weber is. How many Norris' has he won so far?

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#62 tileguy
July 08 2013, 01:44PM
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Why are you so eager to push out a 60 pt 3rd line RW. What a luxury I say.

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#63 Smokey
July 08 2013, 01:45PM
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fig pucker wrote:

yes i would give him a big offer sheet. he's a legitimate number one d man. offer sheets do work, dustin penner, while granted he and peiterangelo are not even close in value, st.louis may decide to walk and take the picks, if they match the offer they will be forced to trade a few significant pieces to stay under the cap, shake the tree see what falls out. in terms of blow back if they offer sheet one of our players we'll deal with it then, caps going up anyhow (new tv deal in canada coming) timid thinkers never make bold moves.

Dustin Penner was an overpay for 2 of the four years. And the 1st round draft pick we eventually lost went to Buffalo for Tyler Myers. (hopefully Klefbom makes up for that loss) Plus they pissed off how many GM`s. So when you piss off other GM`s, how many want to trade with you. No one knows for certain, but it probably hampered our ability to trade. Remember our lack of ability to trade for the next couple years, coincidence. We became the ugly sister of the NHL.

And if this is a good example, then what else do we have to look at in recent history...

St. Louis will match anything...so its a purely mute point. Pieterango is great, but a 9 mil contract or worse is what it would take for the next 7 years would blow.

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#64 Taylor Gang
July 08 2013, 01:47PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to wonder by now if the Sabres wished they hadn't matched the Oilers offer sheet on Vanek. Only thing it managed to do was insured that he was overpaid by 2 1/2 million per season. Look at where those lotto selections would've been, in lieu of Vanek. Tomas would've been another Penner, here by himself with the weight on the hockey club on his shoulders.

Hard to believe a kid just barely at the end of his ELC, is seen by some here as a legitimate No.1 blueliner already. He may become one, but he isn't a league wide unanimous one yet like Weber is. How many Norris' has he won so far?

Do you have to be in the running for an art ross or hart memorial in order to be considered a first line forward as well? Do you have to be a vezina candidate to be a #1 goalie?

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#65 Smokey
July 08 2013, 01:49PM
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What about Chris Gratton, Scott Stevens.

Sometimes it works the other way, did not Vancouver have a couple value years when Kesler was offer sheeted by Philly.

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#66 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 01:52PM
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6'3" 230 pound defenseman who constantly block shots in any way possible, and bring great energy into the dressing room are easy to find?

Ask yourself this. What can Ladislav Smid do, that Theo Peckham wasn't every bit as capable of doing?

Was Smid a better fighter, skater, shoot blocker or better cheerleader for this club? Edmonton just threw him to the side of the road one week ago.

Like Smid has never been seen eating a cheeseburger before...i'm sure Smid checks in ever fall with a 5+% body fat count as well.

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#67 fig pucker
July 08 2013, 01:55PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

If I'm not mistaken Penner is the only offer in history that hasn't been matched before.

how many offer sheets have ever been made? i'm guessing that only penner's working is still a reasonable rate of success.

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#68 Walter Sobchak
July 08 2013, 01:56PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Do you have to be in the running for an art ross or hart memorial in order to be considered a first line forward as well? Do you have to be a vezina candidate to be a #1 goalie?

Doesn't hurt.

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#69 madjam
July 08 2013, 01:57PM
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Grabovski might have been an option if he did not go public and condem his coach .Doubt Oilers and many others would find that appealing , and considering those type of episodes we have witnessed here .

Willis : Considering your list of personnel no matter which way you care to use them - do you honestly believe that lineup can finish above any of the top four in our new division ? On paper , to me and I suspect many others , it still looks like we might struggle just to remain above Calgary . We are unfortuneately in a very tough division with top 4 being good to begin with . Right now I do not seeing us making enough headway to overtake them at this point ,all things considered .

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#70 Walter Sobchak
July 08 2013, 01:59PM
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6'3" 230 pound defenseman who constantly block shots in any way possible, and bring great energy into the dressing room are easy to find?

Blocking shots doesn't mean your an effective defemsmen, it may mean he cant get the puck out of his own end.

care to wager which one it is?

I also heard Hordichuck is an amazing teammate, care to bring him back too?

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#71 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 02:04PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Do you have to be in the running for an art ross or hart memorial in order to be considered a first line forward as well? Do you have to be a vezina candidate to be a #1 goalie?

Lets see now. 90 forwards eligible to win the Art ross, it certainly would allow you membership to that club. Only one can win from that list of 90 eligible combatants.

Norris trophy has 60 participants in that race every year.

Now your goalies. 30 possible candidates every season. Someone has to win the bloody thing.

See the math/pattern? 180 players, only 3 winners. Franky is the best of the bunch in St.Louis but being the No.1 there, and a No.1 league wide, is two different things. Can we give him two more yrs before we crown him?

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#72 san
July 08 2013, 02:05PM
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Why do the best players want to play in the US? As a true fan of the game, I need to know. The league loses credit with me when Teams like Tampa and San Jose get all the best free agents and former dynasties like Montreal and Edmonton only attract career third and forth line role players. How does Tampa win a cup and then pick no 1 in the draft within two years? no#one forward, over the height of six two has been drafted or willingly signed to a Canadian team for well over a decade. Considering how much Canadian teams suck this is a shocking miracle but probably a conspiracy of finance and American nastiness. The executives know that even unhappy, bored Canadians will still watch stupid television commercials to see their sad teams. What a clever idea! destroy the game that defines Canada and make sure, by whatever means, that the most talented players' lives are waisted by using there talents to market the game to those currently uninterested south of the border. Those boring twins in Vancouver? boring. As an Edmonton fan, I feel sorry for Vancouver fans. I fall asleep whenever they get the puck against Edmonton. Then there is Danny H. Didn't want to sign in Edmonton. What kind of waist of skin wouldn't want to play hockey in the house that the great one and Messier built? No honor among over payed babies. Stay down there with the swamp people Danny because that is where you belong.

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#73 Smokey
July 08 2013, 02:06PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Blocking shots doesn't mean your an effective defemsmen, it may mean he cant get the puck out of his own end.

care to wager which one it is?

I also heard Hordichuck is an amazing teammate, care to bring him back too?

Being a league leader in shot blocks is a misleading stat and can be taking two ways. A better evaluation would probably be shot blocks 5x5 and PK`ing.

Peckham will probably be a value signing in Nashville or Winnipeg or the Island for 600000 cheezeburgers.

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#74 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 02:07PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Blocking shots doesn't mean your an effective defemsmen, it may mean he cant get the puck out of his own end.

care to wager which one it is?

I also heard Hordichuck is an amazing teammate, care to bring him back too?

Haha, no I guess blocking shots doesn't make you an effective defemsmen..... Whatever a defemsman is?

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#75 Jason
July 08 2013, 02:07PM
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JW... you're bang on with identifying the needs of this club. Your needs analysis and depth chart mirror mine almost exactly.

I think the Oilers still can solve the 4C and 3W position through free agency. Two guys I'd look at are Mason Raymond and Scott Gomez.

As for 2LW and 1D...I think we're looking at trades to find those guys, perhaps with Hemsky, N.Schultz, Gagner, prospects and picks as pieces going the other way.

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#76 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 02:08PM
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Why do the best players want to play in the US? As a true fan of the game, I need to know. The league loses credit with me when Teams like Tampa and San Jose get all the best free agents and former dynasties like Montreal and Edmonton only attract career third and forth line role players. How does Tampa win a cup and then pick no 1 in the draft within two years? no#one forward, over the height of six two has been drafted or willingly signed to a Canadian team for well over a decade. Considering how much Canadian teams suck this is a shocking miracle but probably a conspiracy of finance and American nastiness. The executives know that even unhappy, bored Canadians will still watch stupid television commercials to see their sad teams. What a clever idea! destroy the game that defines Canada and make sure, by whatever means, that the most talented players' lives are waisted by using there talents to market the game to those currently uninterested south of the border. Those boring twins in Vancouver? boring. As an Edmonton fan, I feel sorry for Vancouver fans. I fall asleep whenever they get the puck against Edmonton. Then there is Danny H. Didn't want to sign in Edmonton. What kind of waist of skin wouldn't want to play hockey in the house that the great one and Messier built? No honor among over payed babies. Stay down there with the swamp people Danny because that is where you belong.

Hey! D Heatley is an all star.

http://youtu.be/1rcXI1fHZhc

http://youtu.be/qwt3BmO1BvU

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#77 Lochenzo
July 08 2013, 02:18PM
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I know Don Cherry would love it if the Oil added Kyle Wellwood as a depth centre.

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#78 Walter Sobchak
July 08 2013, 02:18PM
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Haha, no I guess blocking shots doesn't make you an effective defemsmen..... Whatever a defemsman is?

Sorry, I-phone mishap.

D-Man....No, shot blocking in your own end on almost every other shift doesn't make you an effective D-man, it makes you ineffective at making a outlet pass.

But hey, there's nothing like 30,30,29,24th and most likely 24th again.

No need to upgrade.

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#79 fig pucker
July 08 2013, 02:20PM
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alright someone answer me this, how do you see the oilers getting a number one d man? free agency? top free agents don't want to come here (see last friday) even if a number one d man was available what would it cost?, trade? if nashville wanted to trade weber what would they want? hall + eberle +++? then could you get a number one d man to waive his no trade clause to come here? draft one? easier said than done plus by the time he's at his best the ship will have sailed on our young forwards. the way i see it, while it's a long shot an offer sheet on peiterangelo may be our best shot..

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#80 WhattaMike
July 08 2013, 02:33PM
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Earlier I brought up that both defenders Smid and N. Schultz won't be on the Oilers this year and that is because of the contracts and that the Oilers have to make a trade splash liekly for that top LW they need.

Concerning both is that the contracts are very similar but Smid is better as trade there because he is locked into 4 yrs more while Schultz is of just one more yr.

I like Smid more so as to stay on the Oilers cause he is big, sakates well, blicks tons of shots, and he is fun/popular too in the Oilers room...but people/Oilers want that Top 1 or 2 defender still or that top high ned 2nd line centre or LW... so there will have to be a big trade!!!!!!

The Oilers have a lot of Committee defencemen now and the kids are coming now up here faster each yr (Klefbom, Marancin, Fedun, Gernat, Musil, Davidson, Simpson)..then its the Nurse show...then they still got Gustafsson, Larsen,

To get what everyone wants or still whines about, the Oilers have to start getting rid of some more players and Hemsky tops the list right now but then there is likely N. Schultz too...or Smid...then look at dealing Gagner, MPS, get rid of Omark, then there's Rajala or possibly Lander, Pitlick, Martindale,... and also future picks to trade with....

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#81 tileguy
July 08 2013, 02:37PM
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grrrrrr, I can't understand why you want to get rid of Hemsky a 60 pt RW who can QB the second line PP. Replace him with what, a 30 pt concussion prone 80 pim. Probably the cap hit would be the same. Hemsky goes ONLY in a PACKAGE for a real power forward.

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#82 Samwellwood
July 08 2013, 02:46PM
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I know Don Cherry would love it if the Oil added Kyle Wellwood as a depth centre.

I`d be fine with Sam Wellwood if we were 3 lines deep, but we got 4 holes at forward this season.

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#83 WhattaMike
July 08 2013, 02:49PM
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Oh yeah, Smid...as for being traded is much younger than N. Schultz too which then places him a but higher/more valuable as an asset...

I do state that I think N. Schultz should go before Smid but then again its what the other team wants back in a package deal, not just what edmonton wants to give...

Other than that I think as well that if...if Belov plays, he is better than N. Schulzt for offence passing and skating too, as also being much younger. he has good size.

My pairings if right now - and if N. schultz is traded...would be as follows (by Committee):

Petry - Ference J. Schultz - Smid, Belov - Klefbom (if he is Wowsers on defence since training camp into the 1st 9 games).

Potter as the extra.

If Coburn was to come here, by trade somehow, then he slots in 2nd pairing with J. Schultz. Smid would go with Belov and Klefbom goes down to start on the Barons.

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#84 Smokey
July 08 2013, 02:51PM
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I`d rather have Andropov then Wellwood. Might as well be big and soft rather then small and soft. Having a 3rd rooskie for Yak would be a good thing.

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#85 madjam
July 08 2013, 02:54PM
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san wrote:

Why do the best players want to play in the US? As a true fan of the game, I need to know. The league loses credit with me when Teams like Tampa and San Jose get all the best free agents and former dynasties like Montreal and Edmonton only attract career third and forth line role players. How does Tampa win a cup and then pick no 1 in the draft within two years? no#one forward, over the height of six two has been drafted or willingly signed to a Canadian team for well over a decade. Considering how much Canadian teams suck this is a shocking miracle but probably a conspiracy of finance and American nastiness. The executives know that even unhappy, bored Canadians will still watch stupid television commercials to see their sad teams. What a clever idea! destroy the game that defines Canada and make sure, by whatever means, that the most talented players' lives are waisted by using there talents to market the game to those currently uninterested south of the border. Those boring twins in Vancouver? boring. As an Edmonton fan, I feel sorry for Vancouver fans. I fall asleep whenever they get the puck against Edmonton. Then there is Danny H. Didn't want to sign in Edmonton. What kind of waist of skin wouldn't want to play hockey in the house that the great one and Messier built? No honor among over payed babies. Stay down there with the swamp people Danny because that is where you belong.

Free agency has not favored the Canadian teams except those few occasions they have been top competitive clubs . We had no problem getting them when we looked to be a top contender . Canadian teams are like any weaker teams - few want to go to those teams . Free agency allows every player to explore other options than their parent club to continue and finish their careers . They want to expand their horizons and go to a location of their choice . That is won/granted going to free agent status . Has everything to do with them having served their time and a chance at going to another location or in some instances the cash cow . When/if all the Canadian teams become the top clubs again , then the vast majority will choose us once again . That's the reality and not a knock on Canada even though there might be the odd exception , but not the rule .

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#86 Dman09
July 08 2013, 02:58PM
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@Jonathan Willis

JW,

The one thing I had a problem with was your view on Belov. I highly doubt that either Edm or Belvo signed that deal to not have him play in the NHL. I think he will at the minimum be in the bottom pairing but with his projected ability he could be in the top4.

At this point the only way I see the Oilers making a move on the defense is for a sure thing Vet top2 player. And that will likely require one of N Schultz or Smid going back the other way. But if it improves the team then its worth it.

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#87 Lochenzo
July 08 2013, 03:13PM
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It'd be nice to add a bigger body at centre, but if he were a good bigger bodied centre, every team in the league would be after him, pushing the price way up. I'm looking in the bargain bin. Add a centre that can influence puck possession numbers by being good at the little things. Win faceoffs, limit turnovers, get pucks out of the zone.

If the Oilers are going to be a puck possession team, they have to be better on defense and at centre. Chicago did that well enough to beat a bigger team in Boston that's built to win battles on the boards.

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#88 rickithebear
July 08 2013, 03:14PM
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Quick silver Ballet?

D men like smid are easy to find?

Lets look at comp level 1st zone start 48% EVGA 2.26 there are 28 Dmen From 3% below or better than his numbers.

His Pk numbers 4.78 GA/60

At this point there are 7 Dman: Chara Bos Boychuck Bos Hjalmarsson Chi Oduya Chi Jackman STL Petry EDM Smid EDM

YES! So easy to replace!

Classic!

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#89 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 03:22PM
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rickithebear wrote:

Quick silver Ballet?

D men like smid are easy to find?

Lets look at comp level 1st zone start 48% EVGA 2.26 there are 28 Dmen From 3% below or better than his numbers.

His Pk numbers 4.78 GA/60

At this point there are 7 Dman: Chara Bos Boychuck Bos Hjalmarsson Chi Oduya Chi Jackman STL Petry EDM Smid EDM

YES! So easy to replace!

Classic!

*Virtual high five!

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#90 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 03:30PM
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@rickithebear

I can play mathlete too Ricki...

How does 7 yrs as an Oiler, and zero playoff appearances rate on your chart there. Is there a statistical category for that?

It took a great deal of effort, but I created a pie chart for his time spent in the playoffs during his time here, here it is...

- O -, I know it's a little small, but you get my point? The white indicates non playoff years and the red indicates the times played in the playoffs.

Yeah, he's irreplaceable alright. Ladislav Smid, the Oilers answer to a top pairing blueliner, priceless.

Can I get a virtual high five for the work involved in setting up that pie chart OB? PIE CHARTS RULE!!!!

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#93 Dman09
July 08 2013, 03:47PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I have Belov on the NHL roster in all scenarios above.

He's consistently listed as the 4th left Dman which is basically being in the press box or with his contract, which I believe is an ECL, means he would got to the AHL.

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#94 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 03:47PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I can play mathlete too Ricki...

How does 7 yrs as an Oiler, and zero playoff appearances rate on your chart there. Is there a statistical category for that?

It took a great deal of effort, but I created a pie chart for his time spent in the playoffs during his time here, here it is...

- O -, I know it's a little small, but you get my point? The white indicates non playoff years and the red indicates the times played in the playoffs.

Yeah, he's irreplaceable alright. Ladislav Smid, the Oilers answer to a top pairing blueliner, priceless.

Can I get a virtual high five for the work involved in setting up that pie chart OB? PIE CHARTS RULE!!!!

No one ever said he's a top pairing blue liner??

We're just saying he's not an easy player to replace.

Are you even an Oilers fan? All you ever do is come on here and bash the team and the players.

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#95 LinkfromHyrule
July 08 2013, 03:52PM
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I just thought of something...

if Dubnyk opts to go to free agency next season we are so far up the creek it's not even funny.

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#96 Quicksilver ballet
July 08 2013, 04:08PM
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@OilersBrass

There are just players, guys who've been here through the darkest eras ever of Oilers hockey. Half of them are gone now, but there are a few more to go.

Pardon me for not being overly excited by 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th and 25th (this coming season) place finishes. Aren't you frustrated by the lack of progress on this hockey club (management), the people who put the Oilers in this mess to begin with?

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#97 Oiler Al
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Why do the best players want to play in the US? As a true fan of the game, I need to know. The league loses credit with me when Teams like Tampa and San Jose get all the best free agents and former dynasties like Montreal and Edmonton only attract career third and forth line role players. How does Tampa win a cup and then pick no 1 in the draft within two years? no#one forward, over the height of six two has been drafted or willingly signed to a Canadian team for well over a decade. Considering how much Canadian teams suck this is a shocking miracle but probably a conspiracy of finance and American nastiness. The executives know that even unhappy, bored Canadians will still watch stupid television commercials to see their sad teams. What a clever idea! destroy the game that defines Canada and make sure, by whatever means, that the most talented players' lives are waisted by using there talents to market the game to those currently uninterested south of the border. Those boring twins in Vancouver? boring. As an Edmonton fan, I feel sorry for Vancouver fans. I fall asleep whenever they get the puck against Edmonton. Then there is Danny H. Didn't want to sign in Edmonton. What kind of waist of skin wouldn't want to play hockey in the house that the great one and Messier built? No honor among over payed babies. Stay down there with the swamp people Danny because that is where you belong.

The beachs are much nicer in Tampa than they are in Edmonton or Montreal. You can also golf on the weekend in January if you like.

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#98 Walter Sobchak
July 08 2013, 04:29PM
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LinkfromHyrule wrote:

I just thought of something...

if Dubnyk opts to go to free agency next season we are so far up the creek it's not even funny.

You mean were not there yet!

What's this paddle for?

*throws paddle away*

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#99 OilersBrass
July 08 2013, 04:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

There are just players, guys who've been here through the darkest eras ever of Oilers hockey. Half of them are gone now, but there are a few more to go.

Pardon me for not being overly excited by 30th, 30th, 29th, 24th and 25th (this coming season) place finishes. Aren't you frustrated by the lack of progress on this hockey club (management), the people who put the Oilers in this mess to begin with?

Ya it can be frustrating, but the team is rebuilding so this mess doesn't happen again. The team is full of rookies with a lack of experience so of course they're going to be at the bottom of the league. Management pretty much told everyone it would be like this for a while when the rebuild started (and yes I hate management just as much as you).

I'm a fan of the Oilers and I always will be, I go into every season optimistic that they'll do well, and i'll support the team no matter what.

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#100 Walter Sobchak
July 08 2013, 05:16PM
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Ya it can be frustrating, but the team is rebuilding so this mess doesn't happen again. The team is full of rookies with a lack of experience so of course they're going to be at the bottom of the league. Management pretty much told everyone it would be like this for a while when the rebuild started (and yes I hate management just as much as you).

I'm a fan of the Oilers and I always will be, I go into every season optimistic that they'll do well, and i'll support the team no matter what.

Not to jump in on your conversation, I mean no disrespect.

That in itself is part of the issue and part of the overall problem.

People like you and me, ( I have season tickets) are and will support the team no matter what.

I recognize I am part of the problem!

We support this team despite the incompetency it has shown for over a decade.

The team knows this, it knows no matter how they treat fans, we will return!!

They have zero accountability.

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