TRADING MARINCIN

Lowetide
August 02 2013 07:36AM

 

Martin Marincin is developing as a very nice prospect for future NHL employment. His progress from junior to pro this past season had some bumpy moments, but by season's end he was well inside the top 4D at evens and a feature player for much of the year 5x4. Martin Marincin has a problem though: he's boxed in. Klefbom ahead of him, Nurse behind, and man there's not a lot of room.  

In junior, Marincin stories surrounded his height and lack of lower body strength, and the subpar team he played for in Prince George. Early in his first pro season, he caught an enormous break--being paired with Justin Schultz--and for a time the spotlight shone on Marincin in a big way:

  • Steve Tambellini in October: “His natural instincts for the game are very good … coming into the Saturday game, he was leading the American (Hockey) League in plus minus. That speaks to his hockey sense. When I look at Martin, I also see a strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

The Hockey News has an excellent scouting report on most of the NHL players and prospects we talk about, and I like their summary on Marincin (here).

  • The Hockey News: Is quite lanky, with a very projectable 6-5 frame. Boasts great puck-moving qualities and offensive acumen. Also displays plenty of shutdown upside. Doesn't play enough of a physical game, which he will have to improve upon in order to maximize his all-round potential at the National Hockey League level.

Marincin's size, skill set and youth (he's 21) make him an attractive option for any team, including the Oilers. In fact, if they could mail him back to 2008 chances are Marincin would have an exceptional future with the Oilers.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Marincin, 21 and a few defensive sorties from being ready for his first NHL game (which is followed by a longer period in the NHL and then finally arrival), is being passed by players procured after he was selected (2nd round, 2010). It's not his fault--Marincin is a terrific defensive prospect--but he's in a zone where he may be 'available' for trade.

When the Oilers took Marincin--Frank Musil pushed hard for his selection--the prospect depth chart was rail thin. Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 summer: Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Marincin (just drafted), Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney, Johan Motin, Troy Hesketh and Kyle Bigos. 

Fast forward to the current prospect list, and it's truly insane:

  • Darnell Nurse
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat
  • Dillon Simpson
  • David Musil

That's kind of my point, this list right here.  If the Edmonton Oilers begin the season and decide they badly need something, teams will be asking after someone on this list (it's the area of greatest strength for the Oilers, so MacT would probably be more open to a deal for a defender, too). 

One assumes Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable, but what about Marincin? Is he a lock for future employment or will the team move forward with a future top 4 of Nurse, Petry, Klefbom, J Schultz? 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers finally have a prospect depth chart on defense that is clearly going to produce legit big league talent. My question for you is this: WHERE is the line in the sand for untouchables? Before or after Martin Marincin? Because I'd bet money he's going to receive a lot of interest in the next 12 months, and you can't play everybody. 

(Marincin photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#1 K_Mart
August 02 2013, 07:53AM
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No one is untouchable except Kevin Costner and Sean Connery. ... And Darnell Nurse. Klefbom can be dealt

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#2 Archaeologuy
August 02 2013, 08:01AM
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I am not of the mind that Marincin HAS to be traded at all, but the truth is that any team who would be a willing trade partner with Edmonton HAS to be asking for this player.

He is the best prospect who isnt off limits. He has a lot of things that are desireable to other teams. Some draft pedigree, size, youth, and now pro experience.

When the Oilers upgrade their defense it may come from a (1 NHLer + 1 Prospect + 1 Pick) = Top Pairing Defender type equation. If that's the case then Marincin's name will be asked for to fill the Prospect spot.

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#3 Smokey
August 02 2013, 08:02AM
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I've looked at Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat as untouchables unless in a deal for a number 1 defender. When people "throw in" Gernat and Marincin into deals they want. Let all theses defenders develop slowly, and in 3 years we will have the best group of young defence in the league.

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#4 Hags9k
August 02 2013, 08:04AM
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Good post LT. My untouchable list would include only Nurse. If the club feels there isn't a big gap from Klefbom to Marincin, then maybe Klefbom is the trade piece. It all depends on the return but my line in the sand is Darnell.

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#5 Sliderule
August 02 2013, 08:07AM
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Marincin is our most advanced defense prospect.He has played very well as a rookie in the AHL . Our next best prospect Klefbom has hardly played in the last two years. Our bright new prospect Nurse is skinny as a rail and is at least three years away from a sniff at NHL. So it is not logical that MacT will be suckered into trading our most NHL ready prospect for a Ben Eager clone that a lot of folks are salivating about. Right!

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#6 Woogie63
August 02 2013, 08:12AM
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Wow...it must be July.

Marincin has not played a game in the NHL and we are trading him, so we can protect two players that have not played a pro game in their life.

Truly we don't have a depth chart, we have six hopefuls, and about 5 very average NHL defenseman.

Lets not trade anyone until they have played 20-30 NHL games so we can see what we have got.

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#7 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 02 2013, 08:15AM
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Woogie63 wrote:

Wow...it must be July.

Marincin has not played a game in the NHL and we are trading him, so we can protect two players that have not played a pro game in their life.

Truly we don't have a depth chart, we have six hopefuls, and about 5 very average NHL defenseman.

Lets not trade anyone until they have played 20-30 NHL games so we can see what we have got.

since it is actually August is it ok for us to discuss trading prospects again?

asking for a friend.

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#8 madjam
August 02 2013, 08:17AM
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Let them keep developing in minors to replace the ones on parent club . We want depth , then we keep all of them until the age of 25-26 . If they haven't cracked parent club by then , then they go the way of Plante and Teubert ,Peckham , and others . Not sure about Simpson , and do not know if he would carry any value in a trade at this stage .

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#9 MessyEH!
August 02 2013, 08:25AM
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Unless it's a proven top pairing dman, I wouldn't trade any of them.

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#10 15w40
August 02 2013, 08:28AM
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Couple things....

Distribution of resources and cheap labour.

For all of the top end forward picks the Oilers have had, their biggest need is still a centremen.

If one of the top end defensive guys can be dealt for a top end centremen with the attributes the team needs - then you do it.

The only exception to me as of right now is maybe Nurse because he seems to have a real mean streak and there isn't enough of that either on the roster. Klefbom is a smooth skating, good first pass defensemen by all reports - they have some of that now and a real hole up the middle.

The 2nd part is the cheap labour part.

Right now the Oilers are running with the big dogs in terms of payrole. Unfortunately, the success at winning is down with the "have-nots" in terms of financial resources. They have cast their lot with the guys they have with the big dollar contracts and obviously envision the internal maturity and growth just by getting more NHL experience causing the ship to turn around.

That said, the winning teams always get contributions from the guys making $2M and less to maybe tip the balance in their favour. Keeping guys like Marincin may be the key to that type of scenario.

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#11 MessyEH!
August 02 2013, 08:38AM
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Lowetide why do you hate Martin Marincin?

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#12 Mark-LW
August 02 2013, 08:39AM
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I don't think trading him makes sense. Sure that is where we have prospect depth at the moment, but if you look at our NHL defense right now it suggests that we might want to hold on to those prospects.

In two years it's reasonable to expect N. Schultz gone, Belov gone, Grebeshkov gone and Larsen not panning out.

Then you're left with J. Schultz, Klefbom, Petry, Smid, Nurse, and Ference (who will be fighting for the 6 spot at that point). I would prefer to hold on to Marincin because having that size with the projected tools he carries filling in Ference's roster spot seems to round out an attractive D-lineup.

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#13 kelvjn
August 02 2013, 08:40AM
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"...strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

So basically second coming of Poti?

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#14 Ron Burgundy
August 02 2013, 08:43AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

since it is actually August is it ok for us to discuss trading prospects again?

asking for a friend.

And there you have it folks, the first truly prop-worthy post in ON history.

I initially disagreed with this article, but as I look at Capgeek I think you may be right LT, there is not much room at the inn.

None this year, but with injuries perhaps we see him on the big club for a few games. Next year there are currently lots of openings (only Smid and Ference are signed beyond this year), but we better be re-signing Schultz, and are probably re-signing Petry (though if you want to talk about tradeable assets...)

Klefbom then arrives next year, and do you really want two rookie blue in your top 6? That probably means you re-sign one or both of the Russians. Plus there is Larsen. Marincin's deal then expires. Perhaps you re-up him, but the year after that is the same story as Nurse will(should) be ready.

In some ways it is up to the kid here I think - if he can make someone else expendible then maybe someone else goes and he gets a chair when the music stops. But as of today he seems like a good candidate to be the one standing.

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#15 Pajamah
August 02 2013, 08:59AM
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The ability to trash comments. Oh, I can't hardly wait for the first time I disagree with an opinion in a Gregor or Brownlee article.

LT, what kind of return do you think MacT could get for Marincin? Or do you think he becomes a piece of something bigger?

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#16 Sliderule
August 02 2013, 09:02AM
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kelvjn wrote:

"...strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

So basically second coming of Poti?

The oilers website lists Marincin as 6 ft 5 and 196 lbs.

He is filling out and probably will be over 200 lbs this season.

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#17 Craig1981
August 02 2013, 09:02AM
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A prospect is just that. Nurse and kelfbom could turn out to be busts. And his offense could turn out to be toop shelf.

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#18 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 02 2013, 09:08AM
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"Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 bubbling under"

That's some kind of underwater volcanic event!

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#19 BigDawg
August 02 2013, 09:15AM
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So develop him then trade him???im not exactly sold on our D as it is.. so trading a Dman that we have been grooming for years seems counter productive... he cant play in Grebishkovs spot? in a year? Keep him.. unless there is a better d man coming back..

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#20 CaptainLander
August 02 2013, 09:19AM
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Draft develop, draft develop. Chicago's d core was all drafted and developed. Maybe Marincin plays 3 more seasons in the AHL before making the jump because is behind in the depth chart. Not a bad problem to have. I think this kid will be a good NHler. Just not yet. Trading 21 year players that have shown growth is silly.

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#21 borisnikov
August 02 2013, 09:30AM
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The content for this piece can almost be applied directly to Gernat as well. The added problem he has is that the hill he's climbing is even steeper being a year younger and that he plays without the edge that Marincin has. I have a crazy idea about what to do with Gernat to help stifle the D logjam peaking over the horizon, if anyone cares to read.

http://hnrv.blogspot.ca/2013/07/conversion-factor.html

(Sorry for the shameless self promoting)

Edit: For the record I'm for keeping Marincin to see what the Oilers have in him. Only if there are dire needs on the big team that pop up quickly during the season do you entertain trading him. This is obviously a very real possibility though. Depth up front is still an issue.

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#22 John Chambers
August 02 2013, 09:33AM
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Craig1981 wrote:

A prospect is just that. Nurse and kelfbom could turn out to be busts. And his offense could turn out to be toop shelf.

Indeed. It makes sense to wait 24 months to make a trade in order to a) see what kind of players Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin, & Gernat turn into, and b) hopefully augment their trade value between now and then.

Marincin could turn into Roman Josi, and could be a very useful value contract while the big boys are getting paid.

That said, Marincin + N Schultz + a pick for Byfuglien or Enstrom puts this team into the playoffs.

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#23 Silver Streak
August 02 2013, 09:35AM
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If we move Marincin it had better be for one hell of a big centre prospect....These big puck moveing D men are the fruit that we paid dearly for over the past 8 years...organizational depth takes time....do not trade them away now.

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#24 John Chambers
August 02 2013, 09:36AM
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@borisnikov

I agree about trading Gernat over Marincin b/c Gernat's offensive skill set is duplicated with Schultz and possibly Nurse.

6'5" defenders who are poised with the puck don't exactly grow on trees.

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#25 WhattaMike
August 02 2013, 09:37AM
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The Oilers have done this wrong type thing before...trade a player/prospect before realizing/knowing his "Actual Full Skill level and value".... some examples are those such as Matt Greene, J. Stoll, K. Brodziak, Maltby, Cleary, Satan, Tobias Reider (recently), etc.

With this Blog Article in mind - LT - I would rather (very strongly.. BTW)keep the top 6 defence prospect kids for awhile longer and properly develop them (Fedun, Klefbom, Marancin, Gernat, Nurse, Musil) before issuing trade passes.

My biggest problem here is that...on many occasions...the so called Oilers' Pro-Scouts either suggest or push for trading our excellent prospects and draft picks for what????....has-beens?players with issues and no trade equal balanced skills?

We (the Oilers) have a surefire type top 6 offence now that is very young with such great future potential and now the defence end is starting to finally produce and catch up...and we are talking of letting a top 3/4 type kid go already?

If putting Marancin in a trade for one of a Weber, Suter, Petro-angelo, etc, type player, or for an established foward of the same high end proven calibre...then don't even go there.

Memo to the Oilers - To finally get one step forward with all the strong future young defence depth there now is after all these years and then to now be possibly looking at going three steps backwards again by trading one to two???....THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE...IMO

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#26 vetinari
August 02 2013, 09:42AM
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If Marincin is the difference maker on whether a trade is done or not for a top 2 defenceman, a high quality centre or a legitimate power forward, then wish him well, package him up with some other players and send him off.

Otherwise, there is no rush to deal him-- let him develop in the AHL and give him a serious shot next fall or use him as a solid call-up option in the meantime. At some point, we are going to need some economical support players to help out the kids.

Frankly, I don't mind the idea of a blueline patrolled by both Nurse and Marincin (both over 6'4") in a few years. Now, if only Marincin would learn to play with a bit more of an edge to his game and punish forwards in front of the net, I would be ecstatic.

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#27 They're $hittie
August 02 2013, 09:51AM
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No DSF comments since the trash button has been introduced?

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#28 godot10
August 02 2013, 09:53AM
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A team needs more than 4 defensmen. It needs six good ones at least.

Petry, JSchultz, Klefbom, and Nurse are not enough. More than enough room for Marincin.

Klefbom breaks in the 2nd half of this year. Marincin in the the 2nd half of the following year. Nurse, the year after that.

They don't even overlap. One can do one at a time.

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#29 horndog77
August 02 2013, 09:54AM
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Justin Schultz / Jeff Petry/ Oscar klefbom/ Darnell Nurse and perhaps Martin, those should be the future of the defense. Any other current player should be used to upgrade the third and fourth lines. Not saying to trade players like Smid and newly acquired Ference this year but teams will get injuries and by my count Edmonton has too many D

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#30 The Oilers Shot Clock
August 02 2013, 09:55AM
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Context. I don't want to shop him. But if he's being targeted then if the right peice came back I'd be open for a trade. But that doesn't apply simply to marincin. I assume When MacT phones someone he asks them what they would like for so and so, not marincin is a available, what can I get for him. I reckon if any of those depth prospects become more NHL ready it would just increase their trade value anyways right?

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#31 Oiltimer
August 02 2013, 09:58AM
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I still like the idea of combining that stellar sport of wife carrying with cheese rolling.

A new Olympic challenge sport !!

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#32 MessyEH!
August 02 2013, 10:01AM
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godot10 wrote:

A team needs more than 4 defensmen. It needs six good ones at least.

Petry, JSchultz, Klefbom, and Nurse are not enough. More than enough room for Marincin.

Klefbom breaks in the 2nd half of this year. Marincin in the the 2nd half of the following year. Nurse, the year after that.

They don't even overlap. One can do one at a time.

In fact, I hope they all push for NHL roster spots. That is what will make for internal competition. Competition in practice, in games, each pushing and challenging for roster spots. No more free rides.

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#33 vetinari
August 02 2013, 10:06AM
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Oiltimer wrote:

I still like the idea of combining that stellar sport of wife carrying with cheese rolling.

A new Olympic challenge sport !!

I guess that's better than the sport of Cheese Carrying and Wife Rolling...

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#34 Woogie63
August 02 2013, 10:08AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

since it is actually August is it ok for us to discuss trading prospects again?

asking for a friend.

:)

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#35 harp
August 02 2013, 10:13AM
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I can see Marincin being pack of a package in a trade as others have mentioned by why would any team want him alone when dealing a legit NHL player. Is he anything special? The answer is no.

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#36 Clyde Frog
August 02 2013, 10:15AM
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I would keep him, if we graduate him at 23 or 24 that is not an extreme delay.

The roster is ever shifting and if he steps up in the AHL he may give us no choice but to find room. If not who knows how injuries or trades will affect our line up in the next 3 seasons.

If certain current roster players regress, get injured or just plain don't pan out it would be nice to replace from within; as opposed to trying to "win" a trade.

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#37 Mo Deet
August 02 2013, 10:19AM
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Things I don't see/hear anyone saying, so I'll see if it's worth anything:

The Oilers' current stock of blueline prospects could supply the bulk of the team's value contracts moving forward. Barring the one or two current blueliners the Oilers deem indispensable, Edmonton is in a position to slowly move out established D *at top dollar* and substitute young talent on entry level or lower earning contracts. Even assuming that half these D prospects are busts, and that others will flee due to lack of opportunity (real or perceived [e.g. Simpson]), there's still enough in the cupboard to maintain a steady influx of young, cap-friendly players. The longer development curve of defenders plays into it, and the acquisition of Nurse, IMO, secured this as a long term strategy option.

What you've also got, in Marincin/Gernat/Nurse/Klefbom, is a mad stable of tall, lanky, multi-tool defenders. Not one of those guys would I move. Remember the effectiveness of the reach of CFP, and how people would gripe that the league should crack down on stick length? Now imagine facing a blueline where it seems like every guy you skate against has that reach, and can follow you north-south east-west. THAT is what I think about when I hear Mac T talk gap control and 'mobility' on the blue. It would be a nightmare, and it would be wonderful. The fact that none of these D is heralded as a lights-out offensive talent is actually an advantage, as it helps you keep the cost of the whole more manageable. They'll chip in on the O here and there, no question, but it's not like anyone needs them to do any heavy lifting outside of puck recovery and possession.

Side Note: I'm curious to see the effect on development, if any, of having Gernat and Marincin as teammates. I hear tell that language was a real issue for Marincin when first landing in OKC, and now you have not only an AHL vet to Gernat's rook, you have a fellow countryman in to boot, so maybe that smooths things out a little. Maybe not. But I'm curious.

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#38 borisnikov
August 02 2013, 10:22AM
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John Chambers wrote:

I agree about trading Gernat over Marincin b/c Gernat's offensive skill set is duplicated with Schultz and possibly Nurse.

6'5" defenders who are poised with the puck don't exactly grow on trees.

It is a nice problem for the Oilers to have. A surplus of defensive prospects who all appear to have somewhat rounded skill sets (give or take), size and mobility.

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#39 ghostofberanek
August 02 2013, 10:24AM
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@borisnikov

I agree fully, Marincin's a keeper and Gernat should be the trade piece (the problem being every other NHL team sees his defensive deficiencies as clearly as the Oil do). Your solution of moving him up to forward is good, outside the box thinking with no risk and (potentially) big reward. Just what I'd expect from a fellow class of '97 alumni ;)

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#40 book¡e
August 02 2013, 10:28AM
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Did anyone else try to work through the chess game to see if Black could force a stalemate?

Edit - Unless White is an idiot, Black is doomed.

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#41 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 10:28AM
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Marincin and Gernat are virtual clones. They are both lanky 6'5" Slovak defensemen who honed their trade in the WHL. Both are above average with the puck and have excellent mobility for their size. Both lack a physical element to their game. They are a year apart. And most amazingly are both named Martin and are from the same city - Kosice. Wow. Spooky - but I digress.

The big difference for me is D-zone understanding. Marincin became reasonably adept in his own end over the course of the last year at the AHL level. My guess is Gernat is going to require some re-wiring. I watched a lot of Oil Kings games in 11-12 and after Gernat's return from injury in 2013. The guy was unquestionably a threat to score - at both ends of the ice. At the WHL level he made high risk plays that were at times, to say the least - puzzling.

Maybe the total lack of defensive acumen can be "coached up" next year, but I would push hard to include Gernat over Marincin if teams were calling. Problem is if a schmoe like me sees a difference, it is more than likely guys who make a living in the game have better insights and knowledge. My guess is even though they are listed 3 and 4 respectively in terms of prospects the gap is big and that - barring some stupid offer - is where the trade line should be, IMO.

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#42 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 10:31AM
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book¡e wrote:

Did anyone else try to work through the chess game to see if Black could force a stalemate?

Edit - Unless White is an idiot, Black is doomed.

Why are the checker pieces shaped all funny?

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#43 Mo Deet
August 02 2013, 10:35AM
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@The Soup Fascist

To my way of thinking, this is a perfect reason to keep both, and take the time to see what you really have in Gernat. There's room for growth all around. It might take longer in Gernat's case than in Marincins, but if it works out in the end who cares? There no room for Gernat the next two years anyhow. Three years from now? Bam.* Polished rookie, cheap cheap contract.

* best case scenario

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#44 MessyEH!
August 02 2013, 10:48AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

since it is actually August is it ok for us to discuss trading prospects again?

asking for a friend.

Congratulations your comment has won... the internet.

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#45 DSF
August 02 2013, 11:05AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

No DSF comments since the trash button has been introduced?

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Nope.

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#46 DSF
August 02 2013, 11:21AM
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#47 Rama Lama
August 02 2013, 11:40AM
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So just when the guy seems to trending up and ready to make the leap to the NHL, we want to trade him??

It seems to me that all he is lacking is about 20lbs.......someone need to introduce him to mashed potatoes and voila we have a big defenseman. I for one do not want to start trading prospects unless we have written them off and this guy seems far from it. If you want to trade a prospect, trade someone who has no chance to crack the line-up ( Rajala) due to their size projections.

Keep the cupboards full!

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#48 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 11:48AM
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Mo Deet wrote:

To my way of thinking, this is a perfect reason to keep both, and take the time to see what you really have in Gernat. There's room for growth all around. It might take longer in Gernat's case than in Marincins, but if it works out in the end who cares? There no room for Gernat the next two years anyhow. Three years from now? Bam.* Polished rookie, cheap cheap contract.

* best case scenario

I agree it would be cool to have the Slovak version of the "Twin Towers" albeit a lot less physical than the original Beukeboom / Smith duo of the late 80's. although the fact they both are LH shots could be problematic.

If I had to pick one right now it is clearly Marincin. But Gernat has the tools. Maybe Todd Nelson will be successful in adding defensive zone play to Gernat's resume. The D to F conversion thing is interesting should Gernat not adapt to defense at the next level. The kid has a heavy shot and loves to score. As mentioned above, that would be out-of-the-box.

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#49 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 11:48AM
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Mo Deet wrote:

To my way of thinking, this is a perfect reason to keep both, and take the time to see what you really have in Gernat. There's room for growth all around. It might take longer in Gernat's case than in Marincins, but if it works out in the end who cares? There no room for Gernat the next two years anyhow. Three years from now? Bam.* Polished rookie, cheap cheap contract.

* best case scenario

I agree it would be cool to have the Slovak version of the "Twin Towers" albeit a lot less physical than the original Beukeboom / Smith duo of the late 80's. although the fact they both are LH shots could be problematic.

If I had to pick one right now it is clearly Marincin. But Gernat has the tools. Maybe Todd Nelson will be successful in adding defensive zone play to Gernat's resume. The D to F conversion thing is interesting should Gernat not adapt to defense at the next level. The kid has a heavy shot and loves to score. As mentioned out-of-the-box.

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#50 chris
August 02 2013, 11:53AM
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dealing any defensemen would be dumb. not much more to say than that!

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