TRADING MARINCIN

Lowetide
August 02 2013 07:36AM

 

Martin Marincin is developing as a very nice prospect for future NHL employment. His progress from junior to pro this past season had some bumpy moments, but by season's end he was well inside the top 4D at evens and a feature player for much of the year 5x4. Martin Marincin has a problem though: he's boxed in. Klefbom ahead of him, Nurse behind, and man there's not a lot of room.  

In junior, Marincin stories surrounded his height and lack of lower body strength, and the subpar team he played for in Prince George. Early in his first pro season, he caught an enormous break--being paired with Justin Schultz--and for a time the spotlight shone on Marincin in a big way:

  • Steve Tambellini in October: “His natural instincts for the game are very good … coming into the Saturday game, he was leading the American (Hockey) League in plus minus. That speaks to his hockey sense. When I look at Martin, I also see a strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

The Hockey News has an excellent scouting report on most of the NHL players and prospects we talk about, and I like their summary on Marincin (here).

  • The Hockey News: Is quite lanky, with a very projectable 6-5 frame. Boasts great puck-moving qualities and offensive acumen. Also displays plenty of shutdown upside. Doesn't play enough of a physical game, which he will have to improve upon in order to maximize his all-round potential at the National Hockey League level.

Marincin's size, skill set and youth (he's 21) make him an attractive option for any team, including the Oilers. In fact, if they could mail him back to 2008 chances are Marincin would have an exceptional future with the Oilers.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Marincin, 21 and a few defensive sorties from being ready for his first NHL game (which is followed by a longer period in the NHL and then finally arrival), is being passed by players procured after he was selected (2nd round, 2010). It's not his fault--Marincin is a terrific defensive prospect--but he's in a zone where he may be 'available' for trade.

When the Oilers took Marincin--Frank Musil pushed hard for his selection--the prospect depth chart was rail thin. Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 summer: Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Marincin (just drafted), Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney, Johan Motin, Troy Hesketh and Kyle Bigos. 

Fast forward to the current prospect list, and it's truly insane:

  • Darnell Nurse
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat
  • Dillon Simpson
  • David Musil

That's kind of my point, this list right here.  If the Edmonton Oilers begin the season and decide they badly need something, teams will be asking after someone on this list (it's the area of greatest strength for the Oilers, so MacT would probably be more open to a deal for a defender, too). 

One assumes Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable, but what about Marincin? Is he a lock for future employment or will the team move forward with a future top 4 of Nurse, Petry, Klefbom, J Schultz? 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers finally have a prospect depth chart on defense that is clearly going to produce legit big league talent. My question for you is this: WHERE is the line in the sand for untouchables? Before or after Martin Marincin? Because I'd bet money he's going to receive a lot of interest in the next 12 months, and you can't play everybody. 

(Marincin photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#51 OilDieHard
August 02 2013, 11:58AM
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no chance do i want Marincin dealt. if one of our prospect d-men have to go, i'd rather it be David Musil.

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#52 I tried it at home
August 02 2013, 12:03PM
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Whre exactly does it say we cant hold onto prospects for a few years even if theyre apparently ready for the show? I keep hearing how that's how the Red Wings do it... maybe its worth trying

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#53 The Last Big Bear
August 02 2013, 12:07PM
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Marincin is a prospect, who may or may not make The Show, and will probably top out as a middle-pairing guy if all goes well.

He's the kind of prospect that virtually every NHL team has, and is probably the Oilers' 5th best defender aged 25 or under. He's also unlikely to overtake any of the guys above him.

So how does this warrant putting him on an 'untouchables' list? It's not as if 'depth defencemen' is an organizational weakness, and it's certainly not as if they're hard to come across (heck, the Oilers just added three middle-pairing guys this off season).

Marincin is a perfectly tradeable asset.

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#54 Citizen David
August 02 2013, 12:08PM
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I say keep him until we know what we've actually got in him, Klefbom, and Nurse.

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#55 OilClog
August 02 2013, 12:17PM
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Nurse, Klef.. untouchable

Marincin.. Almost untouchable.

The rest.. In play.

I wouldn't be moving Marincin anywhere unless the return is one of those returns where Oiler fans are always wondering how we could of pulled a trade off like that.

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#56 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 12:27PM
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Madjam would trade Marincin straight up for Weber.

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#57 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 02 2013, 12:29PM
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I'd trade any of our prospects for the right price.

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#58 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 12:34PM
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August 9th marks the 25th anniversary of the saddest day in Oiler history.Anyone can be traded or sold.Anyone.

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#59 smiliegirl15
August 02 2013, 12:37PM
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and what about Taylor Fedun? Has he completely dropped off or did I miss something this past week or so?

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#60 OilDieHard
August 02 2013, 12:47PM
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^what about him? i don't think he has much of a future here, unless you mean as trade bait?

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#61 Dog Train
August 02 2013, 01:23PM
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Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable. Marincin is available only for the right price. All of the prospects named in this article are legitimate at this stage in their development so they should only be moved for something that will make us better in the long run.

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#62 hammers
August 02 2013, 01:40PM
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Anyone is tradeable but that includes nurse or klefbom .you don't trade a 1st year'd'who had a good ahl season unless the return is a proven top 4 'd' who's cap maybe high or any other reason . Untill klefbom shows what he can do in the ahl we wait . As for nurse his going back to junior and anything can happen like injuries or a fall off .If all goes well i see all 3 in oiler uniforms with justin . Petry maybe the one traded if you think on it .

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#63 godot10
August 02 2013, 02:00PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Madjam would trade Marincin straight up for Weber.

Please list all the other players you would have to get rid of at bargain prices to fit Weber under the cap.

Winning in a hard cap system is all about value for money.

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#64 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 02:35PM
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godot10 wrote:

Please list all the other players you would have to get rid of at bargain prices to fit Weber under the cap.

Winning in a hard cap system is all about value for money.

Turn on your sarcasm detector.

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#65 Fresh Mess
August 02 2013, 02:39PM
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At least we have seen Marincin perform at the AHL level getting serious minutes.

Klefbom has played one year in the SEL getting low/soft minutes and then spent a year injured. Let's just ease off the hype and see how things unfold in October for starters.

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#66 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 02:50PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

At least we have seen Marincin perform at the AHL level getting serious minutes.

Klefbom has played one year in the SEL getting low/soft minutes and then spent a year injured. Let's just ease off the hype and see how things unfold in October for starters.

But,but the kool-aid is so tasty.

I just hope that they actually let players earn or lose a job in camp this year.For too many years now the team was picked before camp opened.

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#67 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 02:54PM
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godot10 wrote:

Please list all the other players you would have to get rid of at bargain prices to fit Weber under the cap.

Winning in a hard cap system is all about value for money.

My favorite thing about this comment is the implication that you would not trade Marincin for Weber because of cap concerns.

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#68 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 02:56PM
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Spydyr wrote:

But,but the kool-aid is so tasty.

I just hope that they actually let players earn or lose a job in camp this year.For too many years now the team was picked before camp opened.

Haven't you repeatedly cried about Gagner being "ruined" because they let him earn a job in camp?

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#69 godot10
August 02 2013, 03:22PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

My favorite thing about this comment is the implication that you would not trade Marincin for Weber because of cap concerns.

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

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#70 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 03:28PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Haven't you repeatedly cried about Gagner being "ruined" because they let him earn a job in camp?

Gagner was not ready he did not earn a job in camp.He still can't play in his own end of the rink.He was rushed like far too many Oiler players.

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#71 aspin
August 02 2013, 03:54PM
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Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

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#72 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 03:55PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

Wait - you were serious?

That's even more hilarious.

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#73 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 04:03PM
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@Spydyr

He was rushed because he earned his job at camp. He just wasn't ready for it.

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#74 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 04:25PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

He was rushed because he earned his job at camp. He just wasn't ready for it.

If he wasn't ready for it he did not earn it.It was given to him.

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#75 Rocket
August 02 2013, 04:33PM
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I don't know if they can keep all of their top D prospects. If it works out, then great for The Oilers but I don't see it happening. If trades are required to make the team better, any of the D prospects are going to be targeted above the forwards minus the kids.

Is trading Marincin & Klefbom worth a second line centre? I don't know but it would be interesting to see who they could get.

I hope they keep & sign them but with the cap fluctuating the way it does from year to year I wonder if The Oilers can fit them all in.

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#76 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:42PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know if they can keep all of their top D prospects. If it works out, then great for The Oilers but I don't see it happening. If trades are required to make the team better, any of the D prospects are going to be targeted above the forwards minus the kids.

Is trading Marincin & Klefbom worth a second line centre? I don't know but it would be interesting to see who they could get.

I hope they keep & sign them but with the cap fluctuating the way it does from year to year I wonder if The Oilers can fit them all in.

Remember Arnie Wallburger?

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#77 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:44PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

We should bring back Pete Atwater!

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#78 Rocket
August 02 2013, 04:55PM
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@Larry

Ha! Nice catch. Touché.

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#79 westcoastoil
August 02 2013, 05:03PM
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aspin wrote:

Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

How in the world did they pick Redden and/or Phillips over Chara. That was dumb back then.

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#80 westcoastoil
August 02 2013, 05:05PM
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There's a high probability that any return for Marincin in the next 2 years would be selling low.

Just for giggles why not hang on to our top 4 D prospects until someone decides to overpay us for a change.

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#81 Pouzar99
August 02 2013, 05:22PM
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One of the biggest mistakes fans make is over-rating unproven prospects. Nurse may well turn out to be a very good NHL defenceman or even a legitimate top pairing D man down the road, but plenty of highly rated prospects with his kind of pedigree have not panned out. Klefbom is a surer bet at this point because he has demonstrated his competence against men, but still may not turn out to be anywhere near the top pairing D man we hope he will become. Or maybe they both will. We just don't know. In which case we can't afford to trade away a D prospect as promising as Marincin, who also is not guaranteed to pan out of course.

For years now, defence has been the Oilers greatest weakness. There is reason to expect that this year's new additions will improve that but we still do not have a legitimate top pairing. Petry and Smid plus Ference and J Schultz will probably give the team two legitimate second pairings and Schultz has the potential to be half of a top pairing down the road, IF he continues to develop his impressive offensive potential and vastly improves his defensive play. At this time it makes no sense to trade Klefbom, Nurse or Marincin unless they are part of a huge deal that brought us back an established top pairing D man, an unlikely event.

The only other possible reason for trading Marincin is if Oiler officials have concluded that he is not as good a prospect as we all assume he is.

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#82 Smokey
August 02 2013, 05:39PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

Oilers are at the cap because they have 24 available bodies. Two or three are going to OKC. Secondly if Weber was available which he is not, theres ways to bury contract, plus some contract would go the other way. You can not look at at capgeek and go holy crap. If the Oilers could get a number 1 with with a big ticket, playing with contracts aint hard.

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#83 Oiler Al
August 02 2013, 06:37PM
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IF you are trading him, at least send him to the |Wings, they know how to develop players!

Talking about trading decent prospect barely out of junior , for what.. some third or fourth line grinder.

In the meantime get rid of some of the garbage, like |Plant, and Tuebert, |Hamilton.

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#84 Mo Deet
August 02 2013, 06:58PM
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@The Last Big Bear

Sure, no one is untradeable, and Marincin may 'only' be a depth defenceman on a competitive NHL roster (if he makes the show at all). Two things though:

If he does make it, Marincin is a different type of depth defender than say Mark Fistric or Teddy Peckman, in that he projects as a guy who can take and make a pass.

In a cap world, there's value in having guys whose level of play falls within, but rarely above, their position in the lineup (and whose skill set fits team need/philosophy). Even with all the pieces in place, no one anymore can afford to be the Habs of old. Not for more than a season or two. Chicago's the closest we'll see, and they've been both smart and lucky.

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#85 justDOit
August 02 2013, 07:41PM
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Does anyone know why the trash button is about 4 times larger than the props? And with text and an exclamation point to boot! The props button gets no benefit of literary devices like these.

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#86 book¡e
August 02 2013, 08:12PM
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justDOit wrote:

Does anyone know why the trash button is about 4 times larger than the props? And with text and an exclamation point to boot! The props button gets no benefit of literary devices like these.

Cuz' Wanye, he done sellout to da man, and da man be push'in trash. He don't care 'bout no props!

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#87 TV6
August 02 2013, 08:23PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

IF you are trading him, at least send him to the |Wings, they know how to develop players!

Talking about trading decent prospect barely out of junior , for what.. some third or fourth line grinder.

In the meantime get rid of some of the garbage, like |Plant, and Tuebert, |Hamilton.

The Oil have already flushed Tuebert & Plante...

x6

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#88 Pajamah
August 02 2013, 08:35PM
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DSF posts that L.A. and Kyle Clifford have a deal in place, citing a tweet.

TRASH COMMENT 67 TIMES!!!!

I'm all for trashing a comment if the you disagree with the content, but just because you don't like the guy? Really?

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#89 DSF
August 02 2013, 08:37PM
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Pajamah wrote:

DSF posts that L.A. and Kyle Clifford have a deal in place, citing a tweet.

TRASH COMMENT 67 TIMES!!!!

I'm all for trashing a comment if the you disagree with the content, but just because you don't like the guy? Really?

Forgive them for they know not what they do.

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#90 DSF
August 02 2013, 08:38PM
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Does anyone know why the trash button is about 4 times larger than the props? And with text and an exclamation point to boot! The props button gets no benefit of literary devices like these.

The Trash Truck ® takes up that many pixels.

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#91 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:18PM
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But isn't -1 and +1 so much cleaner? And intuitive?

Edit: Or maybe, prods and props? Like a cattle prod - suggesting you change your heading.

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#92 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:28PM
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The Trash Truck ® takes up that many pixels.

Well there's your first 'thumb up' from me, however awkward that may sound.

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#93 Reg Dunlop
August 02 2013, 09:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Forgive them for they know not what they do.

Oh, I am confident that we all know what we're doing.

Also, Pouzar99 hit the nail on the head with comment 81. Realistically we should expect one of Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin, Gernat etal to pan out as hoped; two if we are fortunate. Don't go trading them until we know what we are getting rid of.

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#94 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:32PM
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Forgive them for they know not what they do.

And they cast lots to divide his garments.

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#95 Citizen Alpha
August 02 2013, 09:45PM
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Does anyone know why the trash button is about 4 times larger than the props? And with text and an exclamation point to boot! The props button gets no benefit of literary devices like these.

It's a new and sponsored feature, so we wanted to give it some emphasis. The dimensions may change over time.

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#96 justDOit
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Citizen Alpha wrote:

It's a new and sponsored feature, so we wanted to give it some emphasis. The dimensions may change over time.

Thanks for the frank reply - and I swear that TD wasn't from me.

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#97 Kevrock
August 02 2013, 10:07PM
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NO,NO,NO..This kid is a future Chara with more offence. You can't teach size, let him fill out and then earn his way up the depth chart but under no circumstance do you trade him. I don't care if a top pairing/first liner is offered this guy is legit just a question of how long it takes. For those that are laughing how many years did Chara take to become the beast he's credited as now!

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#98 Citizen Alpha
August 02 2013, 10:17PM
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@justDOit

I think the trash votes are hilarious. Don't tell Wanye, but I make sure to trash every one of his comments.

By opening up voting to all visitors, it's tough to take the scores too seriously, though it is a shame that all votes are considered are equal. I'd like to think that voting as a citizen would carry more weight.

Just thinking out loud, we might consider a feature where if you are logged into your account, you can filter out all anonymous votes and see vote totals that only include votes by other fellow citizens.

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#99 Quicksilver ballet
August 02 2013, 10:31PM
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If the Oilers have to move one of Klefbom, Nurse or Marincin for help this season. Moving Martin is a no brainer. Marincin and the first in 14 should help land a 2nd line center type like Couturier, unless he's untouchable like Seguin was.

I'd see if Petry and the first in exchange for Mezsaros and Couturier would get Holmgrens attention. Many would like to see management punch that accelerator now than wait for what might not be in two yrs. Heck, throw in Dubnyk into the talks and see where it goes. Our chances are every bit as good with LaBarberra as the starter as they are with Dubnyk. Bring in Theodore if you have to and help bridge the gap till MacT finds his guy. Buy out/move Hemsky if you have to and make room.

American leaguers inside your top four depth at center before the season even starts is a recipe for disaster. There's atleast hope in a top 5 that included RNH,Gagner,Couturier,Gordon and Acton/Miller/Arc heading into this coming season.

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#100 YFC Prez
August 02 2013, 10:51PM
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Am I the only one who doesn't think Sean couturier is all that and a bag of chips? I don't know if I just haven't been watching enough but so far I don't really want him anywhere near an oilers jersey.

What's the appeal? Especially if you putting him in gagners spot?

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