TRADING MARINCIN

Lowetide
August 02 2013 07:36AM

 

Martin Marincin is developing as a very nice prospect for future NHL employment. His progress from junior to pro this past season had some bumpy moments, but by season's end he was well inside the top 4D at evens and a feature player for much of the year 5x4. Martin Marincin has a problem though: he's boxed in. Klefbom ahead of him, Nurse behind, and man there's not a lot of room.  

In junior, Marincin stories surrounded his height and lack of lower body strength, and the subpar team he played for in Prince George. Early in his first pro season, he caught an enormous break--being paired with Justin Schultz--and for a time the spotlight shone on Marincin in a big way:

  • Steve Tambellini in October: “His natural instincts for the game are very good … coming into the Saturday game, he was leading the American (Hockey) League in plus minus. That speaks to his hockey sense. When I look at Martin, I also see a strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

The Hockey News has an excellent scouting report on most of the NHL players and prospects we talk about, and I like their summary on Marincin (here).

  • The Hockey News: Is quite lanky, with a very projectable 6-5 frame. Boasts great puck-moving qualities and offensive acumen. Also displays plenty of shutdown upside. Doesn't play enough of a physical game, which he will have to improve upon in order to maximize his all-round potential at the National Hockey League level.

Marincin's size, skill set and youth (he's 21) make him an attractive option for any team, including the Oilers. In fact, if they could mail him back to 2008 chances are Marincin would have an exceptional future with the Oilers.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Marincin, 21 and a few defensive sorties from being ready for his first NHL game (which is followed by a longer period in the NHL and then finally arrival), is being passed by players procured after he was selected (2nd round, 2010). It's not his fault--Marincin is a terrific defensive prospect--but he's in a zone where he may be 'available' for trade.

When the Oilers took Marincin--Frank Musil pushed hard for his selection--the prospect depth chart was rail thin. Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 summer: Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Marincin (just drafted), Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney, Johan Motin, Troy Hesketh and Kyle Bigos. 

Fast forward to the current prospect list, and it's truly insane:

  • Darnell Nurse
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat
  • Dillon Simpson
  • David Musil

That's kind of my point, this list right here.  If the Edmonton Oilers begin the season and decide they badly need something, teams will be asking after someone on this list (it's the area of greatest strength for the Oilers, so MacT would probably be more open to a deal for a defender, too). 

One assumes Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable, but what about Marincin? Is he a lock for future employment or will the team move forward with a future top 4 of Nurse, Petry, Klefbom, J Schultz? 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers finally have a prospect depth chart on defense that is clearly going to produce legit big league talent. My question for you is this: WHERE is the line in the sand for untouchables? Before or after Martin Marincin? Because I'd bet money he's going to receive a lot of interest in the next 12 months, and you can't play everybody. 

(Marincin photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#101 Tim in Kelowna
August 02 2013, 11:14PM
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Good piece LT, but can we go ahead and never use a Tambellini quote ever again. He is clearly the dumbest and most embarrassing GM the Oilers have ever had.

Your take on Marincin is something I had never considered but when you laid out the D prospect depth chart I was very encouraged. It seems that one of these Dmen would make a good piece in a trade to fill another hole in the big league roster (i.e. toughness, size).

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#102 Hammers
August 02 2013, 11:25PM
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harp wrote:

I can see Marincin being pack of a package in a trade as others have mentioned by why would any team want him alone when dealing a legit NHL player. Is he anything special? The answer is no.

You have no idea .

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#103 rickithebear
August 02 2013, 11:32PM
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Smid - petry had the 3rd best GA fro dmen who faced the best. 3rd best! top Pairing! 3rd is not a Top pairing! so there are 2 top pairings. only 2 top pairings! the other 28 teams top 1st comp dpair are 2nd pairings. Bahahahahahahaha.

There are alot of hunter s. thompson's on this site. 2 top pairings ! unbelievable!

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#104 GNikkles
August 03 2013, 12:27AM
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@rickithebear

Buddy... Get it together.

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#105 Big J
August 03 2013, 06:36AM
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@rickithebear

Just because you can post a comment doesn't mean you should.

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#106 Numenius
August 03 2013, 07:55AM
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In a low cap year like this, guys like Marincin have higher than usual value. GM's will be unusually willing to give a quality NHL player for him than they would otherwise, since they need to get under the cap.

I'd say the Oilers should go for it if one of those deals comes along. With Nurse and Klefbom et al we have enough depth on D.

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#107 russ99
August 03 2013, 07:59AM
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The Chara comparisons are interesting, but Marincin has been compared to Chara since before he was drafted.

With Marincin's improvement in play over the last season on OKC it behooves the Oilers to wait and see on Marincin. It is true, he could fill out and become a heck of a player and he'd be a valued inexpensive piece on a cap team next year.

IMO Marincin has a better chance of helping the Oilers this year than Klefbom, who's raw, missed significant time hampering development, and needs substantial ice time in OKC to get use to North American hockey. The decision between who to keep between Marincin and Klefbom would be better made next summer.

It also seems that the "trade Marincin" crowd is thinking so since we really have nobody else left to trade. :)

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#108 gcw_rocks
August 03 2013, 08:58AM
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A couple of reactions:

1) I think the Oilers need to see if Klefbom can stay healthy before they punt Marincin

2) I dream of the day the Oilers defence is so good a player of Marincin's skill is on the bottom pairing.

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#109 seanjohn
August 03 2013, 09:31AM
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i suspect Marincin was untouchable in Tambo's eyes. Yes, it is possible that he will eventually be more valuable then the player you bring in which was always Tambo's greatest fear. but, I don't think Mact feels this way. Trade him for a useful roster NHLer in a heartbeat. that's why you collected assets, to trade them for useful pieces when the time is right, and that's now.

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#110 seanjohn
August 03 2013, 09:36AM
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russ99 wrote:

The Chara comparisons are interesting, but Marincin has been compared to Chara since before he was drafted.

With Marincin's improvement in play over the last season on OKC it behooves the Oilers to wait and see on Marincin. It is true, he could fill out and become a heck of a player and he'd be a valued inexpensive piece on a cap team next year.

IMO Marincin has a better chance of helping the Oilers this year than Klefbom, who's raw, missed significant time hampering development, and needs substantial ice time in OKC to get use to North American hockey. The decision between who to keep between Marincin and Klefbom would be better made next summer.

It also seems that the "trade Marincin" crowd is thinking so since we really have nobody else left to trade. :)

you are right. along with the lack of patience. i am thru with waiting for the final prospect to finally develop into a player. that's why Tambo got fired. no more waiting. the time to act is now. it doesn't necessarily mean Marincin (tho he is the player opposing GMs will ask about), just any prospect. simple speed up the process. the rebuild should be over. it is time for this organization to compete in the here and now.

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#111 I am the Liquor
August 03 2013, 09:43AM
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Where's the steaming pile of crap option?

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#112 seanjohn
August 03 2013, 09:53AM
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Smokey wrote:

I've looked at Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat as untouchables unless in a deal for a number 1 defender. When people "throw in" Gernat and Marincin into deals they want. Let all theses defenders develop slowly, and in 3 years we will have the best group of young defence in the league.

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

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#113 Smokey
August 03 2013, 12:31PM
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seanjohn wrote:

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

Both Klefbom and Marincin get a cup of coffee this year, and one plays next year.

Nurse plays next year.

Gernat is 3 years.

Hall and Ebs new contract is just starting.

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#114 Harry
August 03 2013, 04:27PM
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I am the Liquor wrote:

Where's the steaming pile of crap option?

Massive PROPS for the pic and name. WELL DONE!!

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#115 Harry
August 03 2013, 04:33PM
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seanjohn wrote:

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

So your saying that Nurse, Klef, Marincin ect. wont be effective until theyre in there late 20's? What an assinine outlook!

Its not entirely outrageous to think that 2 of the three along with Petry Smid and Ferrence will make up 5 of our 6 dmen NEXT season let alone 6 years from now!

IMO do not trade any of them unless its for bottom 6 help or a top 2 star caliber dman.

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#116 Taylor Gang
August 03 2013, 07:54PM
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I am the Liquor wrote:

Where's the steaming pile of crap option?

Go home Lahey, you're drunk

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#117 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 03 2013, 11:37PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Am I the only one who doesn't think Sean couturier is all that and a bag of chips? I don't know if I just haven't been watching enough but so far I don't really want him anywhere near an oilers jersey.

What's the appeal? Especially if you putting him in gagners spot?

Yeah....not sure how Couturier became so highly rated over the last few months....I mean the guy signed in Philly for 2 or 3 years for a buck 75...I mean how good is he if he signs for half of what Ottawa paid Kyle Turris?

I think Oilers fans may have got overhyped at the prospect of Holmgren and MacT talkin things over at the draft....

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#118 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 03 2013, 11:50PM
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Seems a bit strange that the props button has always been there...but now all of a sudden some comments are getting 15...25.. even...35 or more props....when prior to the change....9 or 10 props was a lot.......what changed?

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#119 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 04 2013, 12:00AM
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I'm more than a little concerned about the Oilers inability to develop prospects......how many non-first round picks ....have the Oilers drafted and developed and are on the NHL roster??!?

Dubnyk, Petry,...(Lander sort of)....anyone else?

Or is their batting average the same as most other teams?

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#120 TV6
August 04 2013, 04:14AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'm more than a little concerned about the Oilers inability to develop prospects......how many non-first round picks ....have the Oilers drafted and developed and are on the NHL roster??!?

Dubnyk, Petry,...(Lander sort of)....anyone else?

Or is their batting average the same as most other teams?

FYI ➜ D.D. was a 1st round 14th over~all pick in 2004...

x6

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#121 EHH Team
August 04 2013, 11:26AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Seems a bit strange that the props button has always been there...but now all of a sudden some comments are getting 15...25.. even...35 or more props....when prior to the change....9 or 10 props was a lot.......what changed?

I think what changed, is that now it works. Before, if I clicked the props button, nothing happened.

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#122 Milli
August 04 2013, 07:38PM
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No untouchables in the right deal, especially when talking about prospects. Hall, the only UNTOUCHABLE!

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