TRADING MARINCIN

Lowetide
August 02 2013 07:36AM

 

Martin Marincin is developing as a very nice prospect for future NHL employment. His progress from junior to pro this past season had some bumpy moments, but by season's end he was well inside the top 4D at evens and a feature player for much of the year 5x4. Martin Marincin has a problem though: he's boxed in. Klefbom ahead of him, Nurse behind, and man there's not a lot of room.  

In junior, Marincin stories surrounded his height and lack of lower body strength, and the subpar team he played for in Prince George. Early in his first pro season, he caught an enormous break--being paired with Justin Schultz--and for a time the spotlight shone on Marincin in a big way:

  • Steve Tambellini in October: “His natural instincts for the game are very good … coming into the Saturday game, he was leading the American (Hockey) League in plus minus. That speaks to his hockey sense. When I look at Martin, I also see a strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

The Hockey News has an excellent scouting report on most of the NHL players and prospects we talk about, and I like their summary on Marincin (here).

  • The Hockey News: Is quite lanky, with a very projectable 6-5 frame. Boasts great puck-moving qualities and offensive acumen. Also displays plenty of shutdown upside. Doesn't play enough of a physical game, which he will have to improve upon in order to maximize his all-round potential at the National Hockey League level.

Marincin's size, skill set and youth (he's 21) make him an attractive option for any team, including the Oilers. In fact, if they could mail him back to 2008 chances are Marincin would have an exceptional future with the Oilers.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Marincin, 21 and a few defensive sorties from being ready for his first NHL game (which is followed by a longer period in the NHL and then finally arrival), is being passed by players procured after he was selected (2nd round, 2010). It's not his fault--Marincin is a terrific defensive prospect--but he's in a zone where he may be 'available' for trade.

When the Oilers took Marincin--Frank Musil pushed hard for his selection--the prospect depth chart was rail thin. Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 summer: Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Marincin (just drafted), Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney, Johan Motin, Troy Hesketh and Kyle Bigos. 

Fast forward to the current prospect list, and it's truly insane:

  • Darnell Nurse
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat
  • Dillon Simpson
  • David Musil

That's kind of my point, this list right here.  If the Edmonton Oilers begin the season and decide they badly need something, teams will be asking after someone on this list (it's the area of greatest strength for the Oilers, so MacT would probably be more open to a deal for a defender, too). 

One assumes Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable, but what about Marincin? Is he a lock for future employment or will the team move forward with a future top 4 of Nurse, Petry, Klefbom, J Schultz? 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers finally have a prospect depth chart on defense that is clearly going to produce legit big league talent. My question for you is this: WHERE is the line in the sand for untouchables? Before or after Martin Marincin? Because I'd bet money he's going to receive a lot of interest in the next 12 months, and you can't play everybody. 

(Marincin photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#101 aspin
August 02 2013, 03:54PM
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Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

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#102 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:42PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know if they can keep all of their top D prospects. If it works out, then great for The Oilers but I don't see it happening. If trades are required to make the team better, any of the D prospects are going to be targeted above the forwards minus the kids.

Is trading Marincin & Klefbom worth a second line centre? I don't know but it would be interesting to see who they could get.

I hope they keep & sign them but with the cap fluctuating the way it does from year to year I wonder if The Oilers can fit them all in.

Remember Arnie Wallburger?

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#103 Oiler Al
August 02 2013, 06:37PM
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IF you are trading him, at least send him to the |Wings, they know how to develop players!

Talking about trading decent prospect barely out of junior , for what.. some third or fourth line grinder.

In the meantime get rid of some of the garbage, like |Plant, and Tuebert, |Hamilton.

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#104 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

The Trash Truck ® takes up that many pixels.

Well there's your first 'thumb up' from me, however awkward that may sound.

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#105 justDOit
August 02 2013, 10:07PM
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Citizen Alpha wrote:

It's a new and sponsored feature, so we wanted to give it some emphasis. The dimensions may change over time.

Thanks for the frank reply - and I swear that TD wasn't from me.

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#106 I am the Liquor
August 03 2013, 09:43AM
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Where's the steaming pile of crap option?

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#107 Harry
August 03 2013, 04:33PM
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seanjohn wrote:

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

So your saying that Nurse, Klef, Marincin ect. wont be effective until theyre in there late 20's? What an assinine outlook!

Its not entirely outrageous to think that 2 of the three along with Petry Smid and Ferrence will make up 5 of our 6 dmen NEXT season let alone 6 years from now!

IMO do not trade any of them unless its for bottom 6 help or a top 2 star caliber dman.

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#108 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 03 2013, 11:50PM
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Seems a bit strange that the props button has always been there...but now all of a sudden some comments are getting 15...25.. even...35 or more props....when prior to the change....9 or 10 props was a lot.......what changed?

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#109 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 04 2013, 12:00AM
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I'm more than a little concerned about the Oilers inability to develop prospects......how many non-first round picks ....have the Oilers drafted and developed and are on the NHL roster??!?

Dubnyk, Petry,...(Lander sort of)....anyone else?

Or is their batting average the same as most other teams?

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#110 TV6
August 04 2013, 04:14AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I'm more than a little concerned about the Oilers inability to develop prospects......how many non-first round picks ....have the Oilers drafted and developed and are on the NHL roster??!?

Dubnyk, Petry,...(Lander sort of)....anyone else?

Or is their batting average the same as most other teams?

FYI ➜ D.D. was a 1st round 14th over~all pick in 2004...

x6

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#111 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:44PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

We should bring back Pete Atwater!

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#112 westcoastoil
August 02 2013, 05:03PM
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aspin wrote:

Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

How in the world did they pick Redden and/or Phillips over Chara. That was dumb back then.

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#113 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:18PM
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But isn't -1 and +1 so much cleaner? And intuitive?

Edit: Or maybe, prods and props? Like a cattle prod - suggesting you change your heading.

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#114 rickithebear
August 02 2013, 11:32PM
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Smid - petry had the 3rd best GA fro dmen who faced the best. 3rd best! top Pairing! 3rd is not a Top pairing! so there are 2 top pairings. only 2 top pairings! the other 28 teams top 1st comp dpair are 2nd pairings. Bahahahahahahaha.

There are alot of hunter s. thompson's on this site. 2 top pairings ! unbelievable!

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#115 Numenius
August 03 2013, 07:55AM
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In a low cap year like this, guys like Marincin have higher than usual value. GM's will be unusually willing to give a quality NHL player for him than they would otherwise, since they need to get under the cap.

I'd say the Oilers should go for it if one of those deals comes along. With Nurse and Klefbom et al we have enough depth on D.

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#116 seanjohn
August 03 2013, 09:31AM
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i suspect Marincin was untouchable in Tambo's eyes. Yes, it is possible that he will eventually be more valuable then the player you bring in which was always Tambo's greatest fear. but, I don't think Mact feels this way. Trade him for a useful roster NHLer in a heartbeat. that's why you collected assets, to trade them for useful pieces when the time is right, and that's now.

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#117 Harry
August 03 2013, 04:27PM
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I am the Liquor wrote:

Where's the steaming pile of crap option?

Massive PROPS for the pic and name. WELL DONE!!

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#118 Woogie63
August 02 2013, 10:08AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

since it is actually August is it ok for us to discuss trading prospects again?

asking for a friend.

:)

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#119 harp
August 02 2013, 10:13AM
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I can see Marincin being pack of a package in a trade as others have mentioned by why would any team want him alone when dealing a legit NHL player. Is he anything special? The answer is no.

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#120 Rocket
August 02 2013, 04:55PM
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@Larry

Ha! Nice catch. Touché.

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#121 EHH Team
August 04 2013, 11:26AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Seems a bit strange that the props button has always been there...but now all of a sudden some comments are getting 15...25.. even...35 or more props....when prior to the change....9 or 10 props was a lot.......what changed?

I think what changed, is that now it works. Before, if I clicked the props button, nothing happened.

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#122 Milli
August 04 2013, 07:38PM
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No untouchables in the right deal, especially when talking about prospects. Hall, the only UNTOUCHABLE!

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