TRADING MARINCIN

Lowetide
August 02 2013 07:36AM

 

Martin Marincin is developing as a very nice prospect for future NHL employment. His progress from junior to pro this past season had some bumpy moments, but by season's end he was well inside the top 4D at evens and a feature player for much of the year 5x4. Martin Marincin has a problem though: he's boxed in. Klefbom ahead of him, Nurse behind, and man there's not a lot of room.  

In junior, Marincin stories surrounded his height and lack of lower body strength, and the subpar team he played for in Prince George. Early in his first pro season, he caught an enormous break--being paired with Justin Schultz--and for a time the spotlight shone on Marincin in a big way:

  • Steve Tambellini in October: “His natural instincts for the game are very good … coming into the Saturday game, he was leading the American (Hockey) League in plus minus. That speaks to his hockey sense. When I look at Martin, I also see a strong ability to pass the puck. His body has to get stronger from a defensive standpoint. He’s a six-foot-four, six-foot-five kid, but is he is pretty lean (187 pounds). That said, when you watch him, he has an excellent stick for poke-checking.”

The Hockey News has an excellent scouting report on most of the NHL players and prospects we talk about, and I like their summary on Marincin (here).

  • The Hockey News: Is quite lanky, with a very projectable 6-5 frame. Boasts great puck-moving qualities and offensive acumen. Also displays plenty of shutdown upside. Doesn't play enough of a physical game, which he will have to improve upon in order to maximize his all-round potential at the National Hockey League level.

Marincin's size, skill set and youth (he's 21) make him an attractive option for any team, including the Oilers. In fact, if they could mail him back to 2008 chances are Marincin would have an exceptional future with the Oilers.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM

Marincin, 21 and a few defensive sorties from being ready for his first NHL game (which is followed by a longer period in the NHL and then finally arrival), is being passed by players procured after he was selected (2nd round, 2010). It's not his fault--Marincin is a terrific defensive prospect--but he's in a zone where he may be 'available' for trade.

When the Oilers took Marincin--Frank Musil pushed hard for his selection--the prospect depth chart was rail thin. Here's what the Oilers had bubbling under on the blue in 2010 summer: Jeff Petry, Theo Peckham, Marincin (just drafted), Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney, Johan Motin, Troy Hesketh and Kyle Bigos. 

Fast forward to the current prospect list, and it's truly insane:

  • Darnell Nurse
  • Oscar Klefbom
  • Martin Marincin
  • Martin Gernat
  • Dillon Simpson
  • David Musil

That's kind of my point, this list right here.  If the Edmonton Oilers begin the season and decide they badly need something, teams will be asking after someone on this list (it's the area of greatest strength for the Oilers, so MacT would probably be more open to a deal for a defender, too). 

One assumes Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable, but what about Marincin? Is he a lock for future employment or will the team move forward with a future top 4 of Nurse, Petry, Klefbom, J Schultz? 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers finally have a prospect depth chart on defense that is clearly going to produce legit big league talent. My question for you is this: WHERE is the line in the sand for untouchables? Before or after Martin Marincin? Because I'd bet money he's going to receive a lot of interest in the next 12 months, and you can't play everybody. 

(Marincin photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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#51 WhattaMike
August 02 2013, 09:37AM
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The Oilers have done this wrong type thing before...trade a player/prospect before realizing/knowing his "Actual Full Skill level and value".... some examples are those such as Matt Greene, J. Stoll, K. Brodziak, Maltby, Cleary, Satan, Tobias Reider (recently), etc.

With this Blog Article in mind - LT - I would rather (very strongly.. BTW)keep the top 6 defence prospect kids for awhile longer and properly develop them (Fedun, Klefbom, Marancin, Gernat, Nurse, Musil) before issuing trade passes.

My biggest problem here is that...on many occasions...the so called Oilers' Pro-Scouts either suggest or push for trading our excellent prospects and draft picks for what????....has-beens?players with issues and no trade equal balanced skills?

We (the Oilers) have a surefire type top 6 offence now that is very young with such great future potential and now the defence end is starting to finally produce and catch up...and we are talking of letting a top 3/4 type kid go already?

If putting Marancin in a trade for one of a Weber, Suter, Petro-angelo, etc, type player, or for an established foward of the same high end proven calibre...then don't even go there.

Memo to the Oilers - To finally get one step forward with all the strong future young defence depth there now is after all these years and then to now be possibly looking at going three steps backwards again by trading one to two???....THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE...IMO

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August 02 2013, 10:06AM
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#53 book¡e
August 02 2013, 10:28AM
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Did anyone else try to work through the chess game to see if Black could force a stalemate?

Edit - Unless White is an idiot, Black is doomed.

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#54 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 02:54PM
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godot10 wrote:

Please list all the other players you would have to get rid of at bargain prices to fit Weber under the cap.

Winning in a hard cap system is all about value for money.

My favorite thing about this comment is the implication that you would not trade Marincin for Weber because of cap concerns.

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#55 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 03:55PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

Wait - you were serious?

That's even more hilarious.

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#56 Numenius
August 03 2013, 07:55AM
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In a low cap year like this, guys like Marincin have higher than usual value. GM's will be unusually willing to give a quality NHL player for him than they would otherwise, since they need to get under the cap.

I'd say the Oilers should go for it if one of those deals comes along. With Nurse and Klefbom et al we have enough depth on D.

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#57 John Chambers
August 02 2013, 09:36AM
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@borisnikov

I agree about trading Gernat over Marincin b/c Gernat's offensive skill set is duplicated with Schultz and possibly Nurse.

6'5" defenders who are poised with the puck don't exactly grow on trees.

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#58 godot10
August 02 2013, 09:53AM
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A team needs more than 4 defensmen. It needs six good ones at least.

Petry, JSchultz, Klefbom, and Nurse are not enough. More than enough room for Marincin.

Klefbom breaks in the 2nd half of this year. Marincin in the the 2nd half of the following year. Nurse, the year after that.

They don't even overlap. One can do one at a time.

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#59 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 10:31AM
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book¡e wrote:

Did anyone else try to work through the chess game to see if Black could force a stalemate?

Edit - Unless White is an idiot, Black is doomed.

Why are the checker pieces shaped all funny?

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#60 I tried it at home
August 02 2013, 12:03PM
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Whre exactly does it say we cant hold onto prospects for a few years even if theyre apparently ready for the show? I keep hearing how that's how the Red Wings do it... maybe its worth trying

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#61 Citizen David
August 02 2013, 12:08PM
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I say keep him until we know what we've actually got in him, Klefbom, and Nurse.

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#62 OilClog
August 02 2013, 12:17PM
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Nurse, Klef.. untouchable

Marincin.. Almost untouchable.

The rest.. In play.

I wouldn't be moving Marincin anywhere unless the return is one of those returns where Oiler fans are always wondering how we could of pulled a trade off like that.

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#63 Dog Train
August 02 2013, 01:23PM
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Nurse and Klefbom are untouchable. Marincin is available only for the right price. All of the prospects named in this article are legitimate at this stage in their development so they should only be moved for something that will make us better in the long run.

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#64 aspin
August 02 2013, 03:54PM
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Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

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#65 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 04:03PM
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@Spydyr

He was rushed because he earned his job at camp. He just wasn't ready for it.

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#66 Rocket
August 02 2013, 04:55PM
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#67 Smokey
August 02 2013, 05:39PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

Oilers are at the cap because they have 24 available bodies. Two or three are going to OKC. Secondly if Weber was available which he is not, theres ways to bury contract, plus some contract would go the other way. You can not look at at capgeek and go holy crap. If the Oilers could get a number 1 with with a big ticket, playing with contracts aint hard.

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August 02 2013, 10:17PM
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August 03 2013, 06:36AM
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#70 Harry
August 03 2013, 04:33PM
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seanjohn wrote:

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

So your saying that Nurse, Klef, Marincin ect. wont be effective until theyre in there late 20's? What an assinine outlook!

Its not entirely outrageous to think that 2 of the three along with Petry Smid and Ferrence will make up 5 of our 6 dmen NEXT season let alone 6 years from now!

IMO do not trade any of them unless its for bottom 6 help or a top 2 star caliber dman.

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#71 Mark-LW
August 02 2013, 08:39AM
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I don't think trading him makes sense. Sure that is where we have prospect depth at the moment, but if you look at our NHL defense right now it suggests that we might want to hold on to those prospects.

In two years it's reasonable to expect N. Schultz gone, Belov gone, Grebeshkov gone and Larsen not panning out.

Then you're left with J. Schultz, Klefbom, Petry, Smid, Nurse, and Ference (who will be fighting for the 6 spot at that point). I would prefer to hold on to Marincin because having that size with the projected tools he carries filling in Ference's roster spot seems to round out an attractive D-lineup.

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#72 CaptainLander
August 02 2013, 09:19AM
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Draft develop, draft develop. Chicago's d core was all drafted and developed. Maybe Marincin plays 3 more seasons in the AHL before making the jump because is behind in the depth chart. Not a bad problem to have. I think this kid will be a good NHler. Just not yet. Trading 21 year players that have shown growth is silly.

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#73 borisnikov
August 02 2013, 09:30AM
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The content for this piece can almost be applied directly to Gernat as well. The added problem he has is that the hill he's climbing is even steeper being a year younger and that he plays without the edge that Marincin has. I have a crazy idea about what to do with Gernat to help stifle the D logjam peaking over the horizon, if anyone cares to read.

http://hnrv.blogspot.ca/2013/07/conversion-factor.html

(Sorry for the shameless self promoting)

Edit: For the record I'm for keeping Marincin to see what the Oilers have in him. Only if there are dire needs on the big team that pop up quickly during the season do you entertain trading him. This is obviously a very real possibility though. Depth up front is still an issue.

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#74 The Oilers Shot Clock
August 02 2013, 09:55AM
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Context. I don't want to shop him. But if he's being targeted then if the right peice came back I'd be open for a trade. But that doesn't apply simply to marincin. I assume When MacT phones someone he asks them what they would like for so and so, not marincin is a available, what can I get for him. I reckon if any of those depth prospects become more NHL ready it would just increase their trade value anyways right?

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#75 chris
August 02 2013, 11:53AM
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dealing any defensemen would be dumb. not much more to say than that!

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#76 smiliegirl15
August 02 2013, 12:37PM
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and what about Taylor Fedun? Has he completely dropped off or did I miss something this past week or so?

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#77 Fresh Mess
August 02 2013, 02:39PM
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At least we have seen Marincin perform at the AHL level getting serious minutes.

Klefbom has played one year in the SEL getting low/soft minutes and then spent a year injured. Let's just ease off the hype and see how things unfold in October for starters.

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#78 TigerUnderGlass
August 02 2013, 02:56PM
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But,but the kool-aid is so tasty.

I just hope that they actually let players earn or lose a job in camp this year.For too many years now the team was picked before camp opened.

Haven't you repeatedly cried about Gagner being "ruined" because they let him earn a job in camp?

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#79 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:44PM
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godot10 wrote:

Fact. The Oilers are currently basically at the cap.

Weber would put them way over the cap. So any trade for Weber, even if it is only Marincin, involves getting rid of a lot of other stuff at bargain prices.

Now, if you are another GM, and go way over the cap in the off-season, are you going to let MacT off the hook. You aren't going to be able to dump junk. GM's are going to be asking for 1st round draft picks to go with junk, or they are going to be asking for one of the fab 5 at a bargain price.

The Oilers cannot give Ales Hemsky away at the moment. If you go 10% over, which a Marincin for Weber trade would do at this moment, then MacT is basically dropping his pants, bending over, and ...

You cannot divorce cap considerations from trade considerations in actual reality, like you can in the blogosphere.

One cannot discuss a trade for Weber without discussing how to fit him under the cap.

We should bring back Pete Atwater!

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#80 justDOit
August 02 2013, 07:41PM
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#81 book¡e
August 02 2013, 08:12PM
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Does anyone know why the trash button is about 4 times larger than the props? And with text and an exclamation point to boot! The props button gets no benefit of literary devices like these.

Cuz' Wanye, he done sellout to da man, and da man be push'in trash. He don't care 'bout no props!

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#82 justDOit
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#83 russ99
August 03 2013, 07:59AM
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The Chara comparisons are interesting, but Marincin has been compared to Chara since before he was drafted.

With Marincin's improvement in play over the last season on OKC it behooves the Oilers to wait and see on Marincin. It is true, he could fill out and become a heck of a player and he'd be a valued inexpensive piece on a cap team next year.

IMO Marincin has a better chance of helping the Oilers this year than Klefbom, who's raw, missed significant time hampering development, and needs substantial ice time in OKC to get use to North American hockey. The decision between who to keep between Marincin and Klefbom would be better made next summer.

It also seems that the "trade Marincin" crowd is thinking so since we really have nobody else left to trade. :)

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#84 Smokey
August 03 2013, 12:31PM
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seanjohn wrote:

there is logic to this view. my fear with this is two fold:

1. by the time Nurse/Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat are a great D-core, Eberle and Hall will be near the end of their contracts. if you are comfortable with the Oil winning with above D-core + RNH/Yak + whatever you trade Ebs/Hall for as the REAL core, then fine, I suppose. i don't want to wait that long.

2. this fan base is on the verge of exploding. many have had enough with Klowe's act and are ready to pull the pin because they know he is there for life. i, myself, have adopted a 2nd favourite team to cheer for in the playoffs since i can barely remember the feeling of cheering for a winning Oilers club. the Oilers are near becoming like the Bluejays/Raptors for many people: the team we cheer for because they're close to home, until August comes and we cheer for the the Cardinals/Dodgers or Spurs/Thunder.

Both Klefbom and Marincin get a cup of coffee this year, and one plays next year.

Nurse plays next year.

Gernat is 3 years.

Hall and Ebs new contract is just starting.

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 03 2013, 11:50PM
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#86 Silver Streak
August 02 2013, 09:35AM
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If we move Marincin it had better be for one hell of a big centre prospect....These big puck moveing D men are the fruit that we paid dearly for over the past 8 years...organizational depth takes time....do not trade them away now.

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#87 vetinari
August 02 2013, 09:42AM
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If Marincin is the difference maker on whether a trade is done or not for a top 2 defenceman, a high quality centre or a legitimate power forward, then wish him well, package him up with some other players and send him off.

Otherwise, there is no rush to deal him-- let him develop in the AHL and give him a serious shot next fall or use him as a solid call-up option in the meantime. At some point, we are going to need some economical support players to help out the kids.

Frankly, I don't mind the idea of a blueline patrolled by both Nurse and Marincin (both over 6'4") in a few years. Now, if only Marincin would learn to play with a bit more of an edge to his game and punish forwards in front of the net, I would be ecstatic.

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#88 The Soup Fascist
August 02 2013, 10:28AM
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Marincin and Gernat are virtual clones. They are both lanky 6'5" Slovak defensemen who honed their trade in the WHL. Both are above average with the puck and have excellent mobility for their size. Both lack a physical element to their game. They are a year apart. And most amazingly are both named Martin and are from the same city - Kosice. Wow. Spooky - but I digress.

The big difference for me is D-zone understanding. Marincin became reasonably adept in his own end over the course of the last year at the AHL level. My guess is Gernat is going to require some re-wiring. I watched a lot of Oil Kings games in 11-12 and after Gernat's return from injury in 2013. The guy was unquestionably a threat to score - at both ends of the ice. At the WHL level he made high risk plays that were at times, to say the least - puzzling.

Maybe the total lack of defensive acumen can be "coached up" next year, but I would push hard to include Gernat over Marincin if teams were calling. Problem is if a schmoe like me sees a difference, it is more than likely guys who make a living in the game have better insights and knowledge. My guess is even though they are listed 3 and 4 respectively in terms of prospects the gap is big and that - barring some stupid offer - is where the trade line should be, IMO.

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#89 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 12:27PM
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Madjam would trade Marincin straight up for Weber.

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#90 Spydyr
August 02 2013, 02:35PM
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godot10 wrote:

Please list all the other players you would have to get rid of at bargain prices to fit Weber under the cap.

Winning in a hard cap system is all about value for money.

Turn on your sarcasm detector.

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#91 Larry
August 02 2013, 04:42PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know if they can keep all of their top D prospects. If it works out, then great for The Oilers but I don't see it happening. If trades are required to make the team better, any of the D prospects are going to be targeted above the forwards minus the kids.

Is trading Marincin & Klefbom worth a second line centre? I don't know but it would be interesting to see who they could get.

I hope they keep & sign them but with the cap fluctuating the way it does from year to year I wonder if The Oilers can fit them all in.

Remember Arnie Wallburger?

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#92 westcoastoil
August 02 2013, 05:03PM
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aspin wrote:

Now, I am not saying he is going to turn out like him, but do you notice similarities in the development of Marincin and this guy?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28487

How in the world did they pick Redden and/or Phillips over Chara. That was dumb back then.

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#93 Pouzar99
August 02 2013, 05:22PM
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One of the biggest mistakes fans make is over-rating unproven prospects. Nurse may well turn out to be a very good NHL defenceman or even a legitimate top pairing D man down the road, but plenty of highly rated prospects with his kind of pedigree have not panned out. Klefbom is a surer bet at this point because he has demonstrated his competence against men, but still may not turn out to be anywhere near the top pairing D man we hope he will become. Or maybe they both will. We just don't know. In which case we can't afford to trade away a D prospect as promising as Marincin, who also is not guaranteed to pan out of course.

For years now, defence has been the Oilers greatest weakness. There is reason to expect that this year's new additions will improve that but we still do not have a legitimate top pairing. Petry and Smid plus Ference and J Schultz will probably give the team two legitimate second pairings and Schultz has the potential to be half of a top pairing down the road, IF he continues to develop his impressive offensive potential and vastly improves his defensive play. At this time it makes no sense to trade Klefbom, Nurse or Marincin unless they are part of a huge deal that brought us back an established top pairing D man, an unlikely event.

The only other possible reason for trading Marincin is if Oiler officials have concluded that he is not as good a prospect as we all assume he is.

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#94 Oiler Al
August 02 2013, 06:37PM
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IF you are trading him, at least send him to the |Wings, they know how to develop players!

Talking about trading decent prospect barely out of junior , for what.. some third or fourth line grinder.

In the meantime get rid of some of the garbage, like |Plant, and Tuebert, |Hamilton.

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#95 TV6
August 02 2013, 08:23PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

IF you are trading him, at least send him to the |Wings, they know how to develop players!

Talking about trading decent prospect barely out of junior , for what.. some third or fourth line grinder.

In the meantime get rid of some of the garbage, like |Plant, and Tuebert, |Hamilton.

The Oil have already flushed Tuebert & Plante...

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#96 justDOit
August 02 2013, 09:18PM
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But isn't -1 and +1 so much cleaner? And intuitive?

Edit: Or maybe, prods and props? Like a cattle prod - suggesting you change your heading.

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#97 gcw_rocks
August 03 2013, 08:58AM
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A couple of reactions:

1) I think the Oilers need to see if Klefbom can stay healthy before they punt Marincin

2) I dream of the day the Oilers defence is so good a player of Marincin's skill is on the bottom pairing.

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#98 15w40
August 02 2013, 08:28AM
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Couple things....

Distribution of resources and cheap labour.

For all of the top end forward picks the Oilers have had, their biggest need is still a centremen.

If one of the top end defensive guys can be dealt for a top end centremen with the attributes the team needs - then you do it.

The only exception to me as of right now is maybe Nurse because he seems to have a real mean streak and there isn't enough of that either on the roster. Klefbom is a smooth skating, good first pass defensemen by all reports - they have some of that now and a real hole up the middle.

The 2nd part is the cheap labour part.

Right now the Oilers are running with the big dogs in terms of payrole. Unfortunately, the success at winning is down with the "have-nots" in terms of financial resources. They have cast their lot with the guys they have with the big dollar contracts and obviously envision the internal maturity and growth just by getting more NHL experience causing the ship to turn around.

That said, the winning teams always get contributions from the guys making $2M and less to maybe tip the balance in their favour. Keeping guys like Marincin may be the key to that type of scenario.

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#99 BigDawg
August 02 2013, 09:15AM
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So develop him then trade him???im not exactly sold on our D as it is.. so trading a Dman that we have been grooming for years seems counter productive... he cant play in Grebishkovs spot? in a year? Keep him.. unless there is a better d man coming back..

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#100 MessyEH!
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godot10 wrote:

A team needs more than 4 defensmen. It needs six good ones at least.

Petry, JSchultz, Klefbom, and Nurse are not enough. More than enough room for Marincin.

Klefbom breaks in the 2nd half of this year. Marincin in the the 2nd half of the following year. Nurse, the year after that.

They don't even overlap. One can do one at a time.

In fact, I hope they all push for NHL roster spots. That is what will make for internal competition. Competition in practice, in games, each pushing and challenging for roster spots. No more free rides.

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