2013-14 Pacific Division: Projected Standings

Jonathan Willis
August 21 2013 09:45AM

Over the last few weeks we’ve looked at the Edmonton Oilers’ new division. Now the pivotal question: will they snag one of the four playoff spots in this group?

The Contenders

1. Los Angeles Kings. The Kings are my choice for the top spot in the division; this team won the Cup in 2012 and went to the Conference Finals in 2013 and the roster hasn’t changed much. They fell down the standings last year thanks to an abnormally poor regular season from Jonathan Quick, and that isn’t likely to be repeated. They should be well clear of Edmonton.

2. Vancouver Canucks. This roster doesn’t look as good on paper as previous editions of the team, but the same stars are there up front and the defence might be the best in the Western Conference despite the lack of a superstar number one. A lot hinges on Roberto Luongo; the Canucks have gambled that after wanting to leave he’ll be able to come back and contribute at a high level. It’s a risk, but they’re probably right.

3. San Jose Sharks. This is a very good team; they’re smartly coached and smartly managed (given my choice of NHL general managers, there aren’t many I’d take ahead of Doug Wilson) and they have great depth and talent down the middle.

The Bubble

4. Anaheim Ducks. The loss of Sheldon Souray to injury and the addition of Mark Fistric on defence have changed the picture a little bit since our comparison, weakening the Ducks’ defence. This is a catchable team for the Oilers but not one I’d care to bet on Edmonton being ahead of.

5. Edmonton Oilers. We’ve analyzed Edmonton’s strengths and weaknesses to death this season. Up front they have solid top end talent but questionable depth, particularly at centre. On defence, they have exceptional depth but a dearth of proven top-two defencemen. Devan Dubnyk provides solid goaltending. Put it all together and this is a team on the bubble, one I have projected to be in the playoff race until the bitter end (though they could snatch a crossover spot in the Central). (Others feel more optimistic about the team's placement).

6. Phoenix Coyotes. A forward corps that leans too much on Mike Ribeiro and Shane Doan is the Coyotes’ primary weakness, and what might make them vulnerable to the Oilers this season. Any of the three teams listed here could snag that final playoff spot in my estimation; there isn’t a night-and-day difference between Anaheim and Edmonton and Phoenix.

The Cellar

7. Calgary Flames. The roster was gutted last season and it seems likely to take a few more vicious kicks in the lead up to the 2013-14 trade deadline. The forward group lacks top end talent, the defence is suspect and nobody knows who the starter is. Welcome to the rebuild.

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A new picture has been making the rounds in Winnipeg, one showing a much leaner version of defenceman Dustin Byfuglien. At Jets Nation, Travis Hrubeniuk writes about what Jets fans can expect from the oft-criticized defenceman:

I believe that he has the chance to be a truly successful top pairing D-man with the numbers to back it up, should a couple things happen. First, he needs some help in net. It's been the story for this team for years now. People refuse to believe that the Jets have been a solid defensive team with poor goaltending behind them, and choose to inaccurately accuse the blue line of inadequate play. Byfuglien may as well be the poster boy for this myth, as he and Enstrom are truly an effective top pairing duo.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#1 DSF
August 21 2013, 09:49AM
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There are only THREE playoff spots per division.

The other two in the conference are wild card sports.

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#2 DSF
August 21 2013, 10:01AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Split those hairs, DSF.

There are four playoff spots per division, with the fourth one in each a wildcard spot. I phrase it that way because the crossover team stays in its new division for the length of the playoffs. Say Edmonton crosses over and plays in the Central - they than stay there, playing Central teams, until the Conference Finals.

That's not the way it works.

There could be two wild card teams from each division.

The Oilers will likely be battling Anaheim, Phoenix, Dallas, Colorado and Nashville for one of two wild card spots.

You phrased it this way:

"Over the last few weeks we’ve looked at the Edmonton Oilers’ new division. Now the pivotal question: will they snag one of the four playoff spots in this group?"

There are not 4 playoff spots in this group unless one of the Pacific team wins a wild card spot.

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August 21 2013, 10:21AM
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@JW

Since you're looking at teams the Oilers might be battling for a playoff spot, it would be interesting to see your take on Dallas, Colorado, Nashville and Winnipeg.

To my eye, Dallas is likely the most improved team in the conference and managed to finish ahead of the Oilers last season.

Colorado has had a major makeover in management and coaching as well as adding Nathan McKinnon and will be getting full seasons from Ryan O'Reilly and Steve Downie.

They could be much improved.

Nashville is always hard to get a good read on so who knows.

But Winnipeg has added Michael Frolik and Devin Setoguchi so their offense may get a bit of a boost.

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August 21 2013, 10:28AM
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Mantastic wrote:

i really don't think Vancouver will make it top 2 due to their equally poor depth in every position. they don't have enough actual NHL talent to fill out their roster to begin with and being an older team playing under Torts, they'll be digging deep for players to fill in for injuries. and those depth players are complete garbage.

At what position are they "lacking depth?

Their goaltending is fine.

Their D is one of the best in the NHL.

LW: Sedin, Booth, Higgins, Sestito, Shinkaruk

RW: Burrows, Hansen, Kassian, Weise

C: Sedin, Kesler, Richardson, Shroeder, Gaunce, Horvat, Lain

There are some question marks at C since it appears the Canucks are hoping one of Gaunce or Horvat can grab the #3C spot so they can move Richardson to wing but they're in far better shape than last season when they had to play the first 31 games without Kesler.

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#5 Rama Lama
August 21 2013, 10:39AM
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In spite of the skill difference between Calgary and Edmonton..........I'm thinking Calgary will surprise a few people.

If Sean Monohan makes the team ( all indications are he will) this will give them a definite advantage. I say they will give us a run for our money and may finish ahead of us.

Without Nuge starting the season.......our lines will be all mixed up with players playing out of position. This is a recipe for disaster, followed up by the Nuge returning and re-calibrating the lines once again, and then waiting for the momentum to carry us.

If we have a losing record to start the season........it will be a long season to try and play catch-up. Maybe next year will be the breakout season we have all been waiting for?

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#6 Quicksilver ballet
August 21 2013, 11:26AM
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@DSF

Not sure if you're compensated for your efforts here, but if you are, you're grossly underpaid DSF. Your Legend here grows with every pot shot tossed in your direction. Well done sir.

Flip of the coin as to who finishes last in the Pacific this season. The Oil have as much a chance at that last spot as the Flames do. Every one of us here figured we'd be in loading up mode, instead of still trying to fill significant roster spots. 4 holes still remain in the bottom of the Oilers boat. How much longer will these kids continue to put up with this "Edmonton" management problem. Another difficult year on the horizon no doubt.

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#7 DSF
August 21 2013, 10:55AM
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Mantastic wrote:

every position.

Goalies: Luongo, 2x players that have never played in the NHL, one of them never played on north american ice

D: Solid top 4 but if Bieska and Edler played like last year, not so solid. outside of the top 4 they have a combined NHL games played of 80? hardly deep.

C: Sedin, Kesler (health?), Richardson (is a much better winger than C), Schroder (lol?) and a bunch of rookies not named Sean Couturier, not shaking in my boots there.

W: Sedin, Burrows solid top 6. Hansen, solid middle 6. everyone else is a question marks and rookies with the inability to move up and down the line up. Higgins is on the decline, Booth doesn't actually score, Kassian can't produce without the Sedins and the Sedins can make anyone score. Weise? seriously? Setisto?!

their forward depth is complete crap.

any injury to either their top 6 forwards, #1 goalie or top 4 D, they are in serious trouble.

Really?

Last season they had Kesler, Booth, Malhotra, Bieksa and Tanev all miss significant time with injuries and managed to finish with the 6th most points in the entire NHL.

With Kesler in the lineup, taking the hard matchups, the Sedins get a lot more room to score.

I wouldn't count them out.

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#8 DSF
August 21 2013, 10:34AM
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@DSF

AVS improved yes! But their Defense is still as bad last year maybe worse. And to make the playoffs you have to have good depth at every position, Forwards, Defense and Goalie

Yeah, I'm not to thrilled with their D either.

I imagine they are hoping Erik Johnson finally lives up to his billing and they did add Cory Sarich, for what that is worth.

Their goaltending was sub par last season so it'll be interesting to see if Patrick Roy and Francois Allaire can have an impact there.

I would expect Varlamov should be somewhat better since his .903 last season was his worst ever and his career average is .912.

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Rama Lama wrote:

In spite of the skill difference between Calgary and Edmonton..........I'm thinking Calgary will surprise a few people.

If Sean Monohan makes the team ( all indications are he will) this will give them a definite advantage. I say they will give us a run for our money and may finish ahead of us.

Without Nuge starting the season.......our lines will be all mixed up with players playing out of position. This is a recipe for disaster, followed up by the Nuge returning and re-calibrating the lines once again, and then waiting for the momentum to carry us.

If we have a losing record to start the season........it will be a long season to try and play catch-up. Maybe next year will be the breakout season we have all been waiting for?

I still think Grabovski will land in Calgary which will change the dynamic of that team significantly.

If they add both Grabovski and Monahan at C, they will look a lot different.

Their goaltending, though, is a complete mystery.

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August 21 2013, 10:39AM
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mr common sense wrote:

why is everyone underestimating Phoenix? they will be unreal, ribeiro is a legit #1C and Hanzal can now slip to #2 and Vermette #3. Ekman-Larsson is a year better and Mike Smith will be posting shuouts every other game behind Tippet's system. Write it down, Phoenix will easily make the playoffs. The Oil are in trouble...they do not match up well in this new division.

I agree to some extent.

Phoenix has great goaltending, a fantastic D and Dave Tippet.

Their forward group is pretty pedestrian but, as you say, adding Ribiero will have a trickle down effect on Hanzal and Vermette in terms of ice time and matchups.

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#11 mr common sense
August 21 2013, 10:23AM
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why is everyone underestimating Phoenix? they will be unreal, ribeiro is a legit #1C and Hanzal can now slip to #2 and Vermette #3. Ekman-Larsson is a year better and Mike Smith will be posting shuouts every other game behind Tippet's system. Write it down, Phoenix will easily make the playoffs. The Oil are in trouble...they do not match up well in this new division.

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#12 DieHard
August 21 2013, 03:44PM
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DSF. F-OFF

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#13 DSF
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Mantastic wrote:

you are awful. you compare a players prorated stats of 17 games last year to a player stats over a year ago.

and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Well, since you want to compare someone coming off an injury to someone who had a chance to play in the AHL during the lockout and was healthy...

Taylor Hall's PP production in 45 games last season was 4G and 14P.

That pro rates to 8 goals and 25 points.

Compared to Kesler's 10 goals and 21 points.

How do you think the Oilers PP would have fared if Hall missed 31 games last season?

Seriously?

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#14 Quicksilver ballet
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Rama Lama wrote:

In spite of the skill difference between Calgary and Edmonton..........I'm thinking Calgary will surprise a few people.

If Sean Monohan makes the team ( all indications are he will) this will give them a definite advantage. I say they will give us a run for our money and may finish ahead of us.

Without Nuge starting the season.......our lines will be all mixed up with players playing out of position. This is a recipe for disaster, followed up by the Nuge returning and re-calibrating the lines once again, and then waiting for the momentum to carry us.

If we have a losing record to start the season........it will be a long season to try and play catch-up. Maybe next year will be the breakout season we have all been waiting for?

Kinda like to see this happen. Turn that friggin burner on high under this management group.

Keep firing coaches and GM's till your hearts content Kevin.

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OilClog wrote:

DSF, the suggestion that Taylor Hall and Ryan Keslar are on the same Offensive level, especially on the PP.. is well, exactly something you would say.

Good Grief.

Other than the fact that they are on the same level.

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#16 DSF
August 21 2013, 08:09PM
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@Ummm...

Anaheim finished 21 points ahead of the Oilers in a 48 game season. Pro-rated over 82 games that is 38 points.

Just to draw even, there would have to be some combination of 17 wins/losses. I doubt Anaheim was that lucky.

Suggesting Vancouver has "little else" than the Sedins is just nonsense.

For example, 27 year old Jannik Hansen, playing 3rd line minutes, scored 27 points last season.

His P/60 5V5 was 2.32...better than any Oiler not named Hall.

Vancouver has traditionally relied in its D for secondary scoring. And that will continue.

Last season, defensive stalwart Dan Hamhuis had as many points as Justin Schultz, while Edler, Garrison and Bieksa outscored their Oiler counterparts by a wide margin. (The second highest scoring Oiler D was Jeff Petry with 12 points)

People have been predicting the decline of the Sharks for years and it just never happens.

They are a solid team from top to bottom and their GM may be the smartest in the league.

Their D is far from suspect. They were 6th in the entire league in GA/G last season at 2.33. The Oilers gave up .40 more GA/G which pro rated over and 982 game season is 32 goals against.

That's a very tough mountain to climb in one season.

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#17 DSF
August 21 2013, 07:00PM
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Will wrote:

The Canucks do kind of seem to be falling apart as a team. You have a goalie that doesn't want to be there, and a room full of guys who don't seem to generate chemistry outside of the sisters.

However, I said it looked like everyone in Anaheim wanted out last year and that would hurt them, look how well that one turned out.

No, what is going to hurt the Canucks the most, is that fact they can no longer suck points out of an easy division. With LA, San Jose, Anaheim, and Phoenix playing like they did last year, it might be tough for Van to generate as many points. If Quick has another crap regular season, there may be more bubble teams in our division than people think. Just look how tight the West was for most of the season last year. Other than Calgary, I would say every team has a chance to beat any other team in the division on any given night.

It will also be interesting having the Eastern Conference points back in the mix. I wonder if that drastically shakes up the standings from last year, or makes it even more competitive in our division.

Here's a question, given how bad Philly and the Rangers did last year, and given how bad a stacked Pens team did in the playoffs, do you still think the Metropolitan division is the most competitive? If not which one now is and why?

1) No one including the Oilers will be able to "suck points" out of an easy division. The Canucks were 6-7-2 against the Pacific last season. The Oilers were 4-8-3.

2) Eastern Conference games will be equal for all teams so won't be a factor.

3) I think the Pacific will be the most competitive since San Jose, LA, Vancouver and Anaheim were all playoff teams last year and none of them seems ready for a regression.

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#18 DSF
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

The Canucks were 18th in goals last year. They lost two offensive players in Raymond and Roy - and added no one. The Sedins are 33 and have hard miles on them. Kesler has yet to show the same pre-injury form from 2 years ago. How Booth never got bought out is a complete mystery to me. Although Ballard was even more abyssmal a signing and had to be dealt with.

I just don't see where the goals are coming from.

While I understand the Sedins are in the last year of their contract and are very motivated, the offensive production of players (not named Teemu Selanne / Martin St. Louis) start to deteriorate pretty rapidly, right about ..... now.

Top 4 is solid on D, with little depth and the (only) goalie is a guy the organization has tried to tie a can to for 18 months. It may not be this year - though I suspect that Torts could expedite things - but I see a steep fall for the Canucks in the near future. I don't see 2nd in the division.

The Canucks downward trend in scoring was mainly attibutable to 2 things:

1) Kesler missing most of the season allowing the opposition to key on the Sedins.

2) Their PP went from 1st in the league in 2011/12 (19.8%) to 22nd in the league (15.8%) Much of that is also due to Kesler's absence since he plays with the Sedin's on the #1 unit.

In only 17 games upon his return from injury, Kesler scored 2 PPG and 5PPP which pro-rates to 10 goals and 24 points...just on the PP.

In the last full season, Taylor Hall led the Oilers with 13 goals and 21 points on the PP.

If Kesler stays healthy and the Canucks PP returns to top 5, they should once again be among the highest scoring teams in the league.

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#19 DSF
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Mantastic wrote:

you're just cherry picking stats/seasons that suits your arguments.

Feel free to use any stats you like to support your fantasies.

I've got all night.

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#20 andrewmk20
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@DSF

I'm guessing you were not only the kid who raised his hand first every time but corrected your classmates when they gave slightly inaccurate answers in class instead of allowing the teachers to do so.

Maybe you should open your own blog so you can write about topics that would blow the minds of us knuckle dragging poser fans. I know I would be in complete awe of your insights and would finally understand hockey and the cosmos as well.

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#21 DSF
August 21 2013, 03:09PM
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Mantastic wrote:

am i wrong? Canucks with Kesler had worse corsi than without him.

and why are you comparing them to the Oilers? a team that was heavily outshot, period? earth shattering news, players on a team that gets outshot has worse corsi than a team that doesn't get outshot!!!!

LIkely, but I don't know how to separate that.

In an event, Kesler only played 17 games and their season long Corsi was still through the roof.

As for your last point, this whole series has been about comparing the Oilers to the other teams in the Pacific.

If you don't like the facts, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

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#22 Mikey
August 21 2013, 10:01AM
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DSF wrote:

There are only THREE playoff spots per division.

The other two in the conference are wild card sports.

Dude we all know that. Calm down with your know-it all attitude.

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#23 The_CWD_GarbageMan
August 21 2013, 10:53AM
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DSF wrote:

@JW

Since you're looking at teams the Oilers might be battling for a playoff spot, it would be interesting to see your take on Dallas, Colorado, Nashville and Winnipeg.

To my eye, Dallas is likely the most improved team in the conference and managed to finish ahead of the Oilers last season.

Colorado has had a major makeover in management and coaching as well as adding Nathan McKinnon and will be getting full seasons from Ryan O'Reilly and Steve Downie.

They could be much improved.

Nashville is always hard to get a good read on so who knows.

But Winnipeg has added Michael Frolik and Devin Setoguchi so their offense may get a bit of a boost.

Get this guy a bin.

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#24 DSF
August 21 2013, 02:47PM
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Mantastic wrote:

look at the Canucks corsi with and without Kesler in the line up last year and get back to me thanks.

Okay.

Daniel Sedin's Corsi ON last season was +24.71.

Henrik's was +22.84

Their Corsi Rel was 30.7 and 28.7 respectively.

By way of contrast, Jordan Eberle led the Oilers with a Corsi ON of +3.47 while Taylor Hall was second at 2.79.

Their Corsi Rel was 21.9 and 20.3 respectively.

(Kesler only played 17 out of 48 games)

Are you sure you want to discuss this in public?

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#25 Reg Dunlop
August 22 2013, 01:25AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Great another DSF comment section.Takes the joy out of reading the comments.

DSF claims he's got 'all night'. This is the root of the problem and I have the solution. Send a prostitute to his basement apartment on Van Island, keep him busy for awhile. Anyone know any male hookers?

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#26 They're $hittie
August 21 2013, 10:20AM
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@DSF

why do you think that you know better?

Playoff spots or not he is just ranking them.

GOOD GRIEF GET A LIFE

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#27 OilersAreAwesome14
August 21 2013, 01:15PM
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Flames doesn't need Grabovski. They have Monahan, Stajan, Backlund and Reinhart. I think Grabovski signs with Anaheim

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#28 madjam
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Spydyr wrote:

Great another DSF comment section.Takes the joy out of reading the comments.

I rather enjoy reading DSFs insight in the comments . Sometimes having good debates with opposing opinions is better than a herd of people all nodding in agreement at the same thing .

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#30 OilersAreAwesome14
August 21 2013, 10:20AM
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My opinion

The Contenders 1.) LA Kings- Solid depth on forwards and defense that goes along with an elite goalie and a good backup.

2.) San Jose Sharks- Great Depth up front, Defense is kind of bad especially if Burns is gonna play RW

3.) Anaheim Ducks-Great Depth up front Just missing a 2nd line C but those are rare. Defense is a worry but they have one of the best goalie duos in the NHL

The Bubble 4.) Edmonton Oilers-Great Top 6, Decent Defense, Bad Bottom 6 and bad depth at C could be their downfall. Dubnyk is good

5.) Vancouver Canucks- aging team but still has a good Top 6. Bottom 6 could be bad or decent. Defense is decent with an elite goalie

6.) Phoenix Coyotes-Forwards are really bad at least offensively. Defense is Great and Smith is really good

The Cellar 7.) Calgary Flames- This is too obvious

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#31 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 21 2013, 05:09PM
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@DSF

If you don't like the facts, doesn't mean they didn't happen

good grief

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#32 bornnraisedoil
August 21 2013, 05:20PM
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Just say in'... all oil fans are great,the world over, but the truest of all are born and raised an work...in beautiful, incomparable... Edmonton...here we go oilers here we go! Nuge-hall-yak...magic follows.

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#33 Darrell
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DSF wrote:

At what position are they "lacking depth?

Their goaltending is fine.

Their D is one of the best in the NHL.

LW: Sedin, Booth, Higgins, Sestito, Shinkaruk

RW: Burrows, Hansen, Kassian, Weise

C: Sedin, Kesler, Richardson, Shroeder, Gaunce, Horvat, Lain

There are some question marks at C since it appears the Canucks are hoping one of Gaunce or Horvat can grab the #3C spot so they can move Richardson to wing but they're in far better shape than last season when they had to play the first 31 games without Kesler.

Vancouver has a goalie that wanted out and folds in the first round every year. Your right again, nothing to worry about - Edmonton has all the problems.

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#34 Darrell
August 21 2013, 11:21AM
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Darrell wrote:

Vancouver has a goalie that wanted out and folds in the first round every year. Your right again, nothing to worry about - Edmonton has all the problems.

Plus the fact Burrows and Kesler are total douche bags and am sure you can relate. start your own blog and move on dude ... I would read it for the sheer enjoyment of folks picking it apart like you do on OILERSNATION - you could prob charge as we would pay to se it ...

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#35 hatrock
August 21 2013, 03:47PM
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We will be ahead of the Canucks. We beat them in the season series last year and we have an improved squad and better defensive system. The whiny Nuck players won't be able to handle Torts.

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#36 Mantastic
August 21 2013, 10:10AM
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i really don't think Vancouver will make it top 2 due to their equally poor depth in every position. they don't have enough actual NHL talent to fill out their roster to begin with and being an older team playing under Torts, they'll be digging deep for players to fill in for injuries. and those depth players are complete garbage.

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#37 Wigswag
August 21 2013, 10:17AM
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@DSF

Replace Colorado and Nashville with Winnipeg and you are closer. Love the cross over option.

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#38 Robert Vollman
August 21 2013, 10:46AM
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I think you've got it bang on Jonathan.

Except maybe Phoenix. You've got them in the right loose group, but I'd have them at the higher end of it.

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#39 rubbertrout
August 21 2013, 11:34AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

In spite of the skill difference between Calgary and Edmonton..........I'm thinking Calgary will surprise a few people.

If Sean Monohan makes the team ( all indications are he will) this will give them a definite advantage. I say they will give us a run for our money and may finish ahead of us.

Without Nuge starting the season.......our lines will be all mixed up with players playing out of position. This is a recipe for disaster, followed up by the Nuge returning and re-calibrating the lines once again, and then waiting for the momentum to carry us.

If we have a losing record to start the season........it will be a long season to try and play catch-up. Maybe next year will be the breakout season we have all been waiting for?

I want some of what you're smoking.

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#40 Mantastic
August 21 2013, 11:35AM
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DSF wrote:

Really?

Last season they had Kesler, Booth, Malhotra, Bieksa and Tanev all miss significant time with injuries and managed to finish with the 6th most points in the entire NHL.

With Kesler in the lineup, taking the hard matchups, the Sedins get a lot more room to score.

I wouldn't count them out.

look at the Canucks corsi with and without Kesler in the line up last year and get back to me thanks.

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#41 DSF
August 21 2013, 03:17PM
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Right now neither of is wrong - yet. In three months we will have a better idea of where they are.

I think it is going to be an interesting season for the Canucks. A quick start and they could have a decent year. A slow start, - with the distraction of the remnants of the Luongo soap opera, a coach who has never met a microphone he didn't like and a finnicky media / fan base - could be a circus.

I think the Oilers score more than the Canucks do, and by a bit of a margin. Very possible they will end up behind the Canucks in the standings, but I don't think the gap will be large.

Oh, I agree it'll be a very interesting year for them.

Not only are the Tortorella and Luongo situations something to keep an eye on, but they are also counting on David Booth to bounce back and for Zack Kassian to take a step forward.

More than a few things could go wrong.

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#42 Tom
August 21 2013, 03:18PM
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Not sure if you're compensated for your efforts here, but if you are, you're grossly underpaid DSF. Your Legend here grows with every pot shot tossed in your direction. Well done sir.

Flip of the coin as to who finishes last in the Pacific this season. The Oil have as much a chance at that last spot as the Flames do. Every one of us here figured we'd be in loading up mode, instead of still trying to fill significant roster spots. 4 holes still remain in the bottom of the Oilers boat. How much longer will these kids continue to put up with this "Edmonton" management problem. Another difficult year on the horizon no doubt.

It's just that easy? Just load up? Man, you should call MacT and let him know.

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#43 OilClog
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This is Oilersnation, my standings project like this

1. Edmonton.. We're the best, if you don't think so turn in your Oilersnation handbook to WANYE. 2. San Jose.. Just Because 3. Phoenix.. Because Tippet said so 4. LA.. Can't score goals, can't expect to win 5. Anahiem.. Last season was a blip, they're not anywhere near as good as some people believe 6. Vancouver.. They suck 7. Calgary.. Suck ever more!

This is the Standings, anything else is grounds for Treason against Oilersnation. If you don't like the Oilers, drown in soup.

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#44 Grizztopia
August 21 2013, 11:15AM
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I still think Grabovski will land in Calgary which will change the dynamic of that team significantly.

If they add both Grabovski and Monahan at C, they will look a lot different.

Their goaltending, though, is a complete mystery.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Calgary snag Grabo for 5 years, at a price they'd probably regret when it's all said and done, but one that instantly makes them better this year.

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#45 Will
August 21 2013, 06:27PM
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The Canucks do kind of seem to be falling apart as a team. You have a goalie that doesn't want to be there, and a room full of guys who don't seem to generate chemistry outside of the sisters.

However, I said it looked like everyone in Anaheim wanted out last year and that would hurt them, look how well that one turned out.

No, what is going to hurt the Canucks the most, is that fact they can no longer suck points out of an easy division. With LA, San Jose, Anaheim, and Phoenix playing like they did last year, it might be tough for Van to generate as many points. If Quick has another crap regular season, there may be more bubble teams in our division than people think. Just look how tight the West was for most of the season last year. Other than Calgary, I would say every team has a chance to beat any other team in the division on any given night.

It will also be interesting having the Eastern Conference points back in the mix. I wonder if that drastically shakes up the standings from last year, or makes it even more competitive in our division.

Here's a question, given how bad Philly and the Rangers did last year, and given how bad a stacked Pens team did in the playoffs, do you still think the Metropolitan division is the most competitive? If not which one now is and why?

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Well, since you want to compare someone coming off an injury to someone who had a chance to play in the AHL during the lockout and was healthy...

Taylor Hall's PP production in 45 games last season was 4G and 14P.

That pro rates to 8 goals and 25 points.

Compared to Kesler's 10 goals and 21 points.

How do you think the Oilers PP would have fared if Hall missed 31 games last season?

Seriously?

you're just cherry picking stats/seasons that suits your arguments.

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#47 Todd
August 21 2013, 08:42PM
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you're just cherry picking stats/seasons that suits your arguments.

yup, thats exactly what he does. If you ever shoot down his argument (easy to do) he ignores you and replies to other comments, or just goes away until the next thread. Straw man, wet paper bag yadda yadda....

I've brought up repeatedly DSFs assertion a few months ago that Peter Mueller is a better player than Nail Yakupov. Or the endless gushing about how amazing of a GM Dale Tallon is before this past season.

But instead of answering the bell on many assinine crazy guarantees he makes, he just cherry picks stats, tells everyone how smart he is, how dumb they are and uses lots of "good grief", "book it" and other pompous know it all things like that.

I hope the Oilers get 120 pts this year and the Canucks get 50 just because its probably about the only thing that would shut him up.

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#48 OilClog
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DSF, the suggestion that Taylor Hall and Ryan Keslar are on the same Offensive level, especially on the PP.. is well, exactly something you would say.

Good Grief.

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@DSF

Defense Three top 4 and Two top 6 and 1 minor Leaguer. That's one of the best?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!1

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#50 OilersAreAwesome14
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Erik Johnson could be good or bad. Hejda is their most consistent player in D. Barrie was good last year and Cory Sarich is not really a Top 4. Varlamov is good though. so let's say I'm not thrilled either

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