SAM GAGNER TO BE NAMED C14

Wanye
August 27 2013 09:26PM

Now many moons ago back in 2009 your ol' pal Wanye tripped over some news at the bottle depot when we found out that Mike Comrie was coming back to the Oilers for a second tour of duty. 

Everyone under the sun called us a liar, a dreamer or worse but history ultimately proved us correct. It seems that even now and again a garbage can gets another steak because we have a second bit of news a mere four years later.

Sam Gagner is going to be named the 14th Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

THE PROCESS

Apparently when the Oilers trade their Captain - which happens all too often sadly - one of their final duties on the way out the door is to weigh in on who should replace them at the helm of the team. Jason Smith begat Ethan Moreau. Ethan Moreau knighted Shawn Horcoff. And now Horcoff put 89's name in the ring as the man most deserving to be his successor.

Once that occurs the powers that be at the Oilers offices huddle together and discuss the candidate's worthiness. It seems Samwise has passed the mustard with Katz, Lowe, MacT and Eakins and will be named the C14.

THE THINKING

Sam Gagner is one of those guys who mysteriously gets little love from the OilersNation. A mere 9 months older than our beloved Jordan Eberle he already has 6 NHL seasons under his belt and has fared quite well despite what some folks will tell you.

In 414 GP he has potted 91 goals, 167 assists and 258 points including the fabulous 8 point night back in 2012 that caused a bare bummed Travis Dakin to streak down the freezing streets of Fort McMurray much to the delight of the entire internet.

In many games during the past few disappointing seasons Gagner was one of the few Oilers who kept the foot on the gas all the way to the final match of the season, refusing to mail it in on even the meaninglessest of games. And his leadership didn't end there - he was also one of the few Oilers who were willing to face the post game media scrums night after night.

And although the Oilers and Gagner's camp have had trouble reaching a long term contract his three year deal announced on July 22nd was enough certainty to name him the fourteenth Captain in team history.

THE RESULT

With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team.

And even more so - the team belongs to Sam Gagner as he joins the likes of Gretzky, Messier, Lowe and Weight in the pantheon of legends as the newest Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

Maybe we are wrong. We highly doubt it. So how you like him now haters?

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#151 The_CWD_GarbageMan
August 28 2013, 01:43PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Can I please just say I LOVE THE TRASH BUTTON. It has made it so that I can have faith in Oiler fans again. I was starting to think they were all just a bunch of whiny stupid heads. The silent masses are able to make themselves heard without entering the fray. It's great.

Gagner for captain makes all kinds of sense. He actually has the ability to change games. He has grit and will stick up for his teammates. He is a longtime Oiler. It will take pressure off the other kids. He is respected by the players and management (or so I am led to believe).

Good choice.

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#152 DieHard
August 28 2013, 02:05PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I have been an Oiler fan since the WHA.

You know what is magical to me. Another Cup. Not a freak occurrence in a nothing game. A game in which the other team clearly quit trying.

Some folks that were not around for the Cup years don't understand what winning is and what it takes to win. Seven years outside the playoffs is tough to swallow. Yeah, I'm jaded only because I have witnessed greatness in the Oilers and now all I see is mistake after mistake.

Ditto

50 in 39 was magical.

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#153 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:12PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Gene principe just weighed in on 1260. His opinion is very similar to mine (and the show hosts too, apparently.

This where Oilersnation replies in unison ....in their best mimicing SMARMY voice...."Gene Principe just weighed in on 1260.....His opinion is very similar to mine and the shows host apparently.."......

Sorry Gord ....Couldn't resist.....

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#154 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:24PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Please don't project your insecurities on me.

My comment was not out of line or disrespectful, there was no reason to delete it.

Hi Sanaa Latham......

It's called Sanaa. Tation.....

You get deleted if you use the dirty version of the word poop......etc

It's not personnel.....

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#155 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:31PM
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Just curious....if we can collectively think of another team in the NHL where Gagner would/should be Captain?

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#156 Oil in Peg
August 28 2013, 03:06PM
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@SteelStewart

I never comment on this site but this time...

I do like Gags, he's good at what he does, takes a lot of flack from fans which he shouldnt, and does have leadship qualities etc. but really, he should be traded in the near future for what the team needs (#2 C with size); which is not to say that those players just fall out of the sky and are readily available. So with that in mind why on earth would you make him the captain? It really should be Hall, or if just for one season, Smyth (he should have gotten over J. Smith IMHO)... but if Wayne is right, and he probably is, I suppose he will have to do for now...

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#157 gcw_rocks
August 28 2013, 03:13PM
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I am not sure why they would name Gagner captain at this time. There is a new head coach and a new associate coach (or whatever Acton is) and neither of them know the room yet. They literally cannot have observed Gagner in a locker room or anywhere else with a full team. Why rush into this? Why not give out a bunch of “A”s and give Eakins a couple of months to observe the room and then name a captain?

I guess the answer is obvious. Eakins, like those coaches that came before him, don’t get to pick their own assistants, don’t get to pick their own captains, and probably need a note from Lowe to go to the bathroom.

Sigh.

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#158 Wax Man Riley
August 28 2013, 03:18PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just curious....if we can collectively think of another team in the NHL where Gagner would/should be Captain?

What other team has he spent his entire 6-year career with?

You can't ask that question there is no way to answer it.

I will say if Sam did spend his 6 years with another team, he could be captain of any of them except maybe Pitts.

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#159 Wax Man Riley
August 28 2013, 03:21PM
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I am not sure why they would name Gagner captain at this time. There is a new head coach and a new associate coach (or whatever Acton is) and neither of them know the room yet. They literally cannot have observed Gagner in a locker room or anywhere else with a full team. Why rush into this? Why not give out a bunch of “A”s and give Eakins a couple of months to observe the room and then name a captain?

I guess the answer is obvious. Eakins, like those coaches that came before him, don’t get to pick their own assistants, don’t get to pick their own captains, and probably need a note from Lowe to go to the bathroom.

Sigh.

Ugh.... are you kidding me with this comment? A note to go to the bathroom?

We all know he needs a hall pass from Lowe.... not a note. sheesh.

(totally agree with you btw. as much as I like Gags, I don't think there was a reason to rush)

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#160 Czar
August 28 2013, 03:23PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

What other team has he spent his entire 6-year career with?

You can't ask that question there is no way to answer it.

I will say if Sam did spend his 6 years with another team, he could be captain of any of them except maybe Pitts.

Or Chicago, Boston, Detroit

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#161 vetinari
August 28 2013, 03:31PM
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Gags-- win a Stanley Cup for us and get a ring... then, when you are out on the ice wearing the "C" you can scream "gag on my Cup ring!!!!" to anyone within ear shot...

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#162 Wax Man Riley
August 28 2013, 03:33PM
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Spydyr wrote:

OK, he TIED Gretzky's record.Gretzky actually did it twice.

I'll try to put the eight goal game into context for you.

What meant more the Oilers organization Gagner eight points in a regular season game or Kevin Mcclelland 1-0 goal against Billy Smith and the Islanders?

No contest is it?

The point is that no matter who you are or what era you play in, getting 8 points in 1 game is special.

Against an elite Stanley Cup contender no less. There is no way 8 points in 1 game can be chalked up to a fluke. Why didn't Hall get 8? When was the last time Crosby got 8, or OV got 8?

You argue that is doesn't matter and that the Hawks gave up? This is the NHL, teams don't just give up. Players don't sit down and let people score.

8 points. 1 game. Special. No way around it.

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#163 Wax Man Riley
August 28 2013, 03:34PM
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Czar wrote:

Or Chicago, Boston, Detroit

Maybe Chicago, Toews is the man. Detroit is a tough one with Datsyuk. Could be Boston though.

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#164 Dan 1919
August 28 2013, 03:52PM
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Previous Stanley Cup winning captains: Toews, Brown, Chara, Toews, Crosby, Lidstrom, Niedermayer

Gagner is a great player but he does not belong in that group. The Oilers are notorious for picking poor to decent players with good attitudes as captains.

Team with leaders win Stanley cups, not teams with "nice guys finish first attitudes."

If this is anymore than just a rumour, the Oilers need a serious reality check before the kids start asking to be traded.

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#165 Shaft
August 28 2013, 03:55PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just curious....if we can collectively think of another team in the NHL where Gagner would/should be Captain?

I don't think this matters that much. What matters is how Gagner has evolved with this particular group of players and how they will react under his leadership. I don't know any of the players personally but my perception and humble opinion is that everyone respects Gagner especially the young guns like Hall, Ebs, Nuge, J Schultz. He's also been around long enough to have the respect of the older players. There's no doubt Hall, Eberle, or Nuge will emerge to be the captain for the long term so I don't mind management giving them more time to concentrate and become more comfortable in their primary role of being the top line before giving them other duties on top of that. Hall and Eberle had a chance to demonstrate their leadership last season with Horcoff out for awhile, maybe they showed they aren't quite ready for the C yet.

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#166 Czar
August 28 2013, 03:55PM
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Maybe Chicago, Toews is the man. Detroit is a tough one with Datsyuk. Could be Boston though.

Could he wrestle it from Chara? I don't think so.

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#167 Wheresyourtowel
August 28 2013, 04:00PM
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The Captaincy is NOT a prize. It's a job,

You don't give a guy this job based on how good he is at his current job. You give it to the guy you think will be best at the new job.

THAT is how you avoid the Peter Principle.

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#168 Oiler Al
August 28 2013, 04:11PM
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Horcoff,Smith, and Moreau weren't the best players on the ice, and were Captain.s

Gagner has 6 years on ice and Hall has 3 years.

Hall need some maturing,, which I am sure will come after six years. Who knows he may not want the C at this point in his career.

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#169 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 04:25PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Horcoff,Smith, and Moreau weren't the best players on the ice, and were Captain.s

Gagner has 6 years on ice and Hall has 3 years.

Hall need some maturing,, which I am sure will come after six years. Who knows he may not want the C at this point in his career.

True, however there were no franchise players the caliber of hall during those eras either save for pronger and one wonders if he would have been made capt had he not flown the coop.

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#170 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 05:24PM
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DieHard wrote:

Ditto

50 in 39 was magical.

Funny I was thinking of 50 in 39 when typing the comment out.

Five Goals on Pete Peters and the Flyers well four ,one in the empty net.Legend.

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#171 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 05:29PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

The point is that no matter who you are or what era you play in, getting 8 points in 1 game is special.

Against an elite Stanley Cup contender no less. There is no way 8 points in 1 game can be chalked up to a fluke. Why didn't Hall get 8? When was the last time Crosby got 8, or OV got 8?

You argue that is doesn't matter and that the Hawks gave up? This is the NHL, teams don't just give up. Players don't sit down and let people score.

8 points. 1 game. Special. No way around it.

NHL teams give up all the time.Just look at the Oilers the last few springs.You might even want to note last spring when Sam got one point in the last ten games a second assist.Yep,that is captain material alright.

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#172 Will
August 28 2013, 05:33PM
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I actually like the idea of Gagner being the captain. It lets him know he is wanted here, and he's needed to lead this team.

Second, for all the people who think Hall should be Captain, he's already come out and said he's found the way he's going ot lead the team no matter who has the captaincy, and that is to play hard every shift and lead by example on the ice. However, he's said he's not so vocal in the room.

I think Gags is the best choice for this one, and it might help him find that next gear every fan has been waiting for.

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#173 OutDoorRink
August 28 2013, 05:41PM
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Eakins had better have a large say in who captains the ship and I don't see how he could do that without steering the team through a training camp.

As I've mentioned in other posts, I think that a player such as Andrew Ference is a much better choice. Not that Sam is a pushover, but Ference is from a different league as far as knowing what it takes to reach elite level. He's been playing there for a few years now and is a perfect mentor to liaison between the coach and the kids.

Would you respect him if you were Gagner?

What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

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#174 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 06:13PM
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What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

Lots if it is about winning the Frodo look alike contest.About the Cup not so much.

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#175 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 06:13PM
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Just heard fom Mike Gillis....he says the Oilers should make Devan Dubnyk the next Captain!

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#176 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 06:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just heard fom Mike Gillis....he says the Oilers should make Devan Dubnyk the next Captain!

Now that is funny.

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#177 hags9k
August 28 2013, 06:21PM
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"With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team."

Wayner you nailed it with this.

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#178 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 06:24PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Horcoff,Smith, and Moreau weren't the best players on the ice, and were Captain.s

Gagner has 6 years on ice and Hall has 3 years.

Hall need some maturing,, which I am sure will come after six years. Who knows he may not want the C at this point in his career.

I have no doubt that Gagner could carry on the tradition of Horcoff, Smith and Moreau.....

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#179 They're $hittie
August 28 2013, 06:26PM
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Eakins had better have a large say in who captains the ship and I don't see how he could do that without steering the team through a training camp.

As I've mentioned in other posts, I think that a player such as Andrew Ference is a much better choice. Not that Sam is a pushover, but Ference is from a different league as far as knowing what it takes to reach elite level. He's been playing there for a few years now and is a perfect mentor to liaison between the coach and the kids.

Would you respect him if you were Gagner?

What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

Nobody does everything themselves. If Gagner is Captain it isn't about him telling Ference about winning, it is about using his alternate captain Ference to teach others about winning. It is about using his other alternate captain Hall to show what it takes on the ice. It is about Gagner telling the younger players his experiences as a young buck and how he can help them on ice an in life from the hiccups he had to go through. It is about using the best of everyone on the team to form a cohesive unit. It is about taking the responsibility on himself even if it means less production and smaller paydays to make the team better because he is taking on a different roll and allowing hall, nuge and yak to be the offence.

Remember the video of Gagner, Cogliano and Gilbert in the house. Gagner did not have a clue about living on his own. Cogliano two years older was a little wiser. This applies to the NHL also. You dont need to be the best to know what you are doing. Some players just have more skill than you. But you can have more experience and better leadership traits and not be the best.

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#180 Walter Sobchak
August 28 2013, 06:50PM
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Are we not getting ahead of ourselves? Eakins has not even seen what kind of ability Gagner has as a leader.

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#181 OilClog
August 28 2013, 07:18PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just heard fom Mike Gillis....he says the Oilers should make Devan Dubnyk the next Captain!

The Dakin on this isn't reading correctly.. should be hovering the 200's by now for sure.

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#182 The Soup Fascist
August 28 2013, 09:23PM
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Wheresyourtowel wrote:

The Captaincy is NOT a prize. It's a job,

You don't give a guy this job based on how good he is at his current job. You give it to the guy you think will be best at the new job.

THAT is how you avoid the Peter Principle.

Maybe the best comment on the subject. Props.

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#183 David S
August 28 2013, 09:46PM
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hags9k wrote:

"With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team."

Wayner you nailed it with this.

I swear to god most guys read "Sam Gagner to be named C14" in the headline, scroll down to see if there's a hot chick and get right to the posting.

In fact, Wanye's article covered 95% of the objections in this soon to be 200 post thread.

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#184 Sanaa Montana
August 28 2013, 10:09PM
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Hi Sanaa Latham......

It's called Sanaa. Tation.....

You get deleted if you use the dirty version of the word poop......etc

It's not personnel.....

(Hits send...and eagerly awaits to see if poop makes it through)

What? Who are you? What comment had the dirty version of poop in it?

Can the two followers that proped the comment tell me what this granny is talking about?

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#185 OilFanInVan
August 28 2013, 11:19PM
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FACTS:

1. Nobody in this chat room is in the dressing room or management office.

2. If anyone thinks that Eakins hasn't already talked to all of the players once or twice, go back to his press conference when he was introduced as coach.

3. If anyone thinks they know what Eakins/MacT wants in a captain you might as well think twice again.

OPINIONS:

1. I highly suspect that the coaching staff and management have completed their Due Diligence and will name a captain that will exude the qualities that they feel best suits the team.

2. I highly doubt that any captaincy decision to be made is based on career point totals, highest points in a game, or duration of time playing the game.

3. I suspect that the captaincy decision is based on interviews with the players (current and former) and based on an ability to be the media face of the franchise.

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#186 Brian
August 29 2013, 07:19AM
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Making such predictions from behind a cute alias mean nothing to me. Z serious blogger will use his real name. (And we know Lowetides's).

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#187 OutDoorRink
August 29 2013, 07:24AM
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I don't want a captain that's going to waste any more time telling the boys how to do their laundry.

That's nice, use cold water, it saves on your energy bill.

I want a captain who knows what it takes to win at the highest level, and that's not Sam. That's a guy like Ference. Why have a middle man? Why have Gagner as the captain and Ference as an assistant?

So Sam can say; "Alright everybody, listen up. Y'all wanna hear about what it takes to win? Well let me introduce to you, my assistant, Andrew Ference! After he's through, I'll tell you how to bake an angel food cake. Take it away, Andrew"!

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#188 gcw_rocks
August 29 2013, 10:55AM
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OilFanInVan wrote:

FACTS:

1. Nobody in this chat room is in the dressing room or management office.

2. If anyone thinks that Eakins hasn't already talked to all of the players once or twice, go back to his press conference when he was introduced as coach.

3. If anyone thinks they know what Eakins/MacT wants in a captain you might as well think twice again.

OPINIONS:

1. I highly suspect that the coaching staff and management have completed their Due Diligence and will name a captain that will exude the qualities that they feel best suits the team.

2. I highly doubt that any captaincy decision to be made is based on career point totals, highest points in a game, or duration of time playing the game.

3. I suspect that the captaincy decision is based on interviews with the players (current and former) and based on an ability to be the media face of the franchise.

You do know it has been proven that interviews are a horrible selection method, fraught with errors? We do them as part of the hiring process because there are precious few viable alternatives.

In this case though, there was a much more reliable alternative, which is observation. And if the rumour is true, the Oilers will have again forgone the opportunity to make a strong informed decision based on evidence.

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#189 Shaft
August 29 2013, 03:20PM
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You do know it has been proven that interviews are a horrible selection method, fraught with errors? We do them as part of the hiring process because there are precious few viable alternatives.

In this case though, there was a much more reliable alternative, which is observation. And if the rumour is true, the Oilers will have again forgone the opportunity to make a strong informed decision based on evidence.

Don't you think management has been able to observe the players long enough (who are candidates for the job) over the last 3-6 years? Unless you are suggesting a first year Oiler like Ference should be considered?

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#190 Shaft
August 29 2013, 03:23PM
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@OutDoorRink

You think Jason Smith knew what it took to win at the highest lever when he was awarded the C in 01? He did alright in 06 I think........

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#191 David S
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Man. Looks like alot of you guys are gonna feel like poo-heads if Wanye is on the money.

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#192 OutDoorRink
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I don't know what I would feel if Sam was to be named captain, but I do know one thing that I would not feel and that's confident that we had a leader who could inspire the team to greater heights.

You need some kind of cred to do that, and so far, other than Smytty and Hemmer, there's nobody else on this team that has made it into the playoffs as an Oiler.

It'll all shake out in training camp anyway. We'll know in about 4 weeks.

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#193 Gagner means Win
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Gagner is the best choice for captain. Ferrence is a great choice but lets break it down to him not being a familiar face to the boys. Gagner has shown hes a hard worker on the ice. The C is not about point production.. its about work production. Hes a leader in the dressing room and has been around for 6 seasons that have been a mess.. and only gotten better with every year that passes. Hes captained a team as a junior. Hes missed roughly 40 games give or take since his rookie year.. not much can be said about Hall and RNH. (ahem.. injuries.. learn to stop Hallsy) As for Ebs.. great player.. but you cant honestly say hes the leader of the group, and has quieted down since his rookie campaign. All i have to say is Gagner for Priminister. Give him what he has earned.. "C"

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#194 Gagner means Win
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Gagner is the best choice for captain. Ferrence is a great choice but lets break it down to him not being a familiar face to the boys. Gagner has shown hes a hard worker on the ice. The C is not about point production.. its about work production. Hes a leader in the dressing room and has been around for 6 seasons that have been a mess.. and only gotten better with every year that passes. Hes captained a team as a junior. Hes missed roughly 40 games give or take since his rookie year.. not much can be said about Hall and RNH. (ahem.. injuries.. learn to stop Hallsy) As for Ebs.. great player.. but you cant honestly say hes the leader of the group, and has quieted down since his rookie campaign. All i have to say is Gagner for Priminister. Give him what he has earned.. "C"

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