SAM GAGNER TO BE NAMED C14

Wanye
August 27 2013 09:26PM

Now many moons ago back in 2009 your ol' pal Wanye tripped over some news at the bottle depot when we found out that Mike Comrie was coming back to the Oilers for a second tour of duty. 

Everyone under the sun called us a liar, a dreamer or worse but history ultimately proved us correct. It seems that even now and again a garbage can gets another steak because we have a second bit of news a mere four years later.

Sam Gagner is going to be named the 14th Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

THE PROCESS

Apparently when the Oilers trade their Captain - which happens all too often sadly - one of their final duties on the way out the door is to weigh in on who should replace them at the helm of the team. Jason Smith begat Ethan Moreau. Ethan Moreau knighted Shawn Horcoff. And now Horcoff put 89's name in the ring as the man most deserving to be his successor.

Once that occurs the powers that be at the Oilers offices huddle together and discuss the candidate's worthiness. It seems Samwise has passed the mustard with Katz, Lowe, MacT and Eakins and will be named the C14.

THE THINKING

Sam Gagner is one of those guys who mysteriously gets little love from the OilersNation. A mere 9 months older than our beloved Jordan Eberle he already has 6 NHL seasons under his belt and has fared quite well despite what some folks will tell you.

In 414 GP he has potted 91 goals, 167 assists and 258 points including the fabulous 8 point night back in 2012 that caused a bare bummed Travis Dakin to streak down the freezing streets of Fort McMurray much to the delight of the entire internet.

In many games during the past few disappointing seasons Gagner was one of the few Oilers who kept the foot on the gas all the way to the final match of the season, refusing to mail it in on even the meaninglessest of games. And his leadership didn't end there - he was also one of the few Oilers who were willing to face the post game media scrums night after night.

And although the Oilers and Gagner's camp have had trouble reaching a long term contract his three year deal announced on July 22nd was enough certainty to name him the fourteenth Captain in team history.

THE RESULT

With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team.

And even more so - the team belongs to Sam Gagner as he joins the likes of Gretzky, Messier, Lowe and Weight in the pantheon of legends as the newest Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

Maybe we are wrong. We highly doubt it. So how you like him now haters?

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#151 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 06:13PM
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@OutDoorRink

What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

Lots if it is about winning the Frodo look alike contest.About the Cup not so much.

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#152 rubbertrout
August 27 2013, 09:30PM
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Gags?

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#153 DSF
August 27 2013, 10:51PM
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dangilitis wrote:

DSF - Gagner is a mediocre player? You have said some dumb sh*t over the years, but this has to take the cake as one of the dumbest things you have ever said. Book it.

There is no justification for this comment. Even for someone as stupid as you. Ryan Jones is a mediocre player. Nick Schultz is a mediocre player. You were probably a mediocre beer league player. Gagner is highly skilled and a legitimately drafted top 10 pick, with his career pt totals in his draft year 2nd only to Patrick Kane. Like Hemsky, he has put up a boatload of offence for years with little help and a revolving door of coaches. When he tried to commit more to defence, remember the year he ... wait for it, dipsh*t... scored 8 points in a single game, he was the Oilers best center in terms of scoring chance differential (as per EJ tallies). And like Hemsky he had to hear critiques from MSM and d*ckheads like you who think they know something about hockey.

Hall would be my choice as captain by a fair margin, but Gagner still becomes the most skilled captain the team has seen in 12 years. I can live with that. If you define mediocre as not making the canadian olympic roster (even a TSN concocted one), then I am without speech.

Gagner is mediocre? Really, or are you getting bored that you haven't had any attacks at your character in the last few days? Well you get your wish so get your rocks off on this post for now. But I am not even going to try and justify my response any further because you must have smoked too much crack or sniffed too much glue or something tonight. Wanye, please call this man a cab and send him the f*ck out of here.

Gagner is a mediocre player.

His point totals have been inflated by how desperate the Oilers were to sell tickets.

Logan Couture, Jakub Voracek, Max Pacioretty, David Perron, Kevin Shattenkirk, Jamie Benn and PK Subban, who were all selected after Gagner, are much better hockey players.

If Gagner, after all this time in the league isn't on the Team Canada radar, he isn't much.

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#154 Craig1981
August 28 2013, 12:51AM
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intoitoverit wrote:

There's just no way that can be true. If any NHL player did that the media backlash would be huge. I have no doubt they go out and party, but lets not believe everything we hear about the wonder kids.

I should of posted it as a well talked about rumor, totally my error. I personally do believe it to be true though. Regardless I have heard way too many poor stories to believe some are not true. Well all make mistakes though.

A good PR team does wonders.....remember when no one knew Tiger Woods was a cheater.

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#155 MessyEH!
August 28 2013, 03:06AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Woodward, Bernstein, now Wanye?

Just who is YOUR "Deepthroat", Wanye?

Who have you "DeepThroated" Wayne?

My money is on Eberle. (Or Tracey Jordan pulled a set of gap toothed veneers out of the dumpster.)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/110300

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#156 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 07:53AM
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David S wrote:

Sorry man. All the justification you can bring to the table is negated by one simple fact.

No "mediocre" player EVER scored 8 points in a single game in the NHL.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Certainly there are better players than Sam. But he's definitely not mediocre.

I'm so tired of the eight points in one game stuff.

If Gretzky played between Ebs and Hall he would get eight points three times a year but then again he is in his fifties now.

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#157 mayorblaine
August 28 2013, 08:16AM
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if you use Hall's age as a predicting factor for failure as a captain, you need to be smarter. he's been on this team for 2 full and 1 half year now. that's plenty of time, regardless of his chronological age.

hall or eberle.

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#158 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 09:21AM
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Gene principe just weighed in on 1260. His opinion is very similar to mine (and the show hosts too, apparently.

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#159 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 10:22AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

There is a big difference in the game in the 80's (yes I was around and remember them) but there was only 21 teams and statistically the odds of winning the cup were easier back than. Also every year a team wins the cup. Not every year especially in todays era does someone score 8 points.

The thing that makes it even better was the timing of it, and the fact that it wasnt hall or eberle.

Comparing scoring eight goals in a nothing game to winning five Cups is like comparing Milly Cyrus shaking her a$$ to Pink Floyds The Wall. One is great the other fluff.

It is a real insight into this edition of the Oilers when most fans here approve of the new captain being Sam. Is he the best the team has to offer?

Now that is a sad state of affairs.

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#160 thebiggestmanintheworld
August 28 2013, 10:34AM
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Skoobz wrote:

Voracek isn't even close to being better than Gagner. Pacioretty is equivalent. Couture and Benn ARE better. Shattenkirk and PK are apples to oranges.

But Voracek?? Jeez.

The gap between Sam and some of those players isn't as big as you would like to think it is.

Gagner is a quality player. I have no doubt aboot it.

But don't just dismiss guys like Voracek. He's better than you give him credit for...

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#161 2004Z06
August 28 2013, 12:01PM
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Big Cap wrote:

Gagner does give it all on the ice, I agree. But to what impact on every shift does he make? (Cue the stats guys)

There is probably less than 5 current players in the league who wear the C and are not the best players on the team. Those players however would then in turn bring a very strong and different skill to compensate for that.

Hall has been here for 3 years, he's not Freshed faced or a rookie or new to the Oilers. He too has put his time in. IMO, he has accomplished more in 3 years than Gagner in 6.

We have had Captains over the years who are great team players and leaders, but lack high end skill. I believe most recently Doug Weight would be the best example as a Hybrid who brings both high end skill and great leadership. He was an All Star and Olympian while leading his team in scoring and always leading by example on and off the ice. I don't see many Olympics, or All Star or leading our team in points for 89

I do think he is a valuable player for us, just not a game breaker and future super star like Hall is.

Accomplished in what regard? Points? We are not talking about who the better player is here, we are talking about who the better leader is. One does not equate to the other.

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#162 pkam
August 28 2013, 01:02PM
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There are many attributes before skill to be a captain.

1. character 2. attitude 3. maturity 4. trust from the management and coaching staffs 5. respect from teammates 6. ability to deal with the media

Basically, the captain should be the role model, not the best player in the team. I believe there are a few Oilers, including Hall and Gagner, have the above attributes. I can't find any reason that Hall is capable but Gagner isn't.

There are good captains who are not the best player in their team, Ryan Callahan of the Rangers and Dustin Brown of the Kings come to mind. And there are best player in their team but are not good candidate for captain, Henrik Sedins of the Canucks and Overchkin of the Capitals come to mind.

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#163 Shaft
August 28 2013, 03:55PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just curious....if we can collectively think of another team in the NHL where Gagner would/should be Captain?

I don't think this matters that much. What matters is how Gagner has evolved with this particular group of players and how they will react under his leadership. I don't know any of the players personally but my perception and humble opinion is that everyone respects Gagner especially the young guns like Hall, Ebs, Nuge, J Schultz. He's also been around long enough to have the respect of the older players. There's no doubt Hall, Eberle, or Nuge will emerge to be the captain for the long term so I don't mind management giving them more time to concentrate and become more comfortable in their primary role of being the top line before giving them other duties on top of that. Hall and Eberle had a chance to demonstrate their leadership last season with Horcoff out for awhile, maybe they showed they aren't quite ready for the C yet.

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#164 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 05:29PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

The point is that no matter who you are or what era you play in, getting 8 points in 1 game is special.

Against an elite Stanley Cup contender no less. There is no way 8 points in 1 game can be chalked up to a fluke. Why didn't Hall get 8? When was the last time Crosby got 8, or OV got 8?

You argue that is doesn't matter and that the Hawks gave up? This is the NHL, teams don't just give up. Players don't sit down and let people score.

8 points. 1 game. Special. No way around it.

NHL teams give up all the time.Just look at the Oilers the last few springs.You might even want to note last spring when Sam got one point in the last ten games a second assist.Yep,that is captain material alright.

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#165 David S
August 28 2013, 09:46PM
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hags9k wrote:

"With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team."

Wayner you nailed it with this.

I swear to god most guys read "Sam Gagner to be named C14" in the headline, scroll down to see if there's a hot chick and get right to the posting.

In fact, Wanye's article covered 95% of the objections in this soon to be 200 post thread.

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#166 Sanaa Montana
August 28 2013, 10:09PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Hi Sanaa Latham......

It's called Sanaa. Tation.....

You get deleted if you use the dirty version of the word poop......etc

It's not personnel.....

(Hits send...and eagerly awaits to see if poop makes it through)

What? Who are you? What comment had the dirty version of poop in it?

Can the two followers that proped the comment tell me what this granny is talking about?

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#167 David S
August 29 2013, 07:17PM
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Man. Looks like alot of you guys are gonna feel like poo-heads if Wanye is on the money.

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#168 Gagner means Win
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Gagner is the best choice for captain. Ferrence is a great choice but lets break it down to him not being a familiar face to the boys. Gagner has shown hes a hard worker on the ice. The C is not about point production.. its about work production. Hes a leader in the dressing room and has been around for 6 seasons that have been a mess.. and only gotten better with every year that passes. Hes captained a team as a junior. Hes missed roughly 40 games give or take since his rookie year.. not much can be said about Hall and RNH. (ahem.. injuries.. learn to stop Hallsy) As for Ebs.. great player.. but you cant honestly say hes the leader of the group, and has quieted down since his rookie campaign. All i have to say is Gagner for Priminister. Give him what he has earned.. "C"

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#169 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 07:37AM
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skinny65 wrote:

Usually it's pretty tough to say something dumber than DSF, but you managed it here Gord. Because the Oilers didn't give a 21 year old Hall the C, he is going to want to be moved? Hahha, that's the most ludicrous thing ever!! "And it wont be a pleasant parting" What are you even talking about? How does giving the C to someone else make that remotely true? Is Hall a 5 year old?

Not now and not simply over this issue.

But rather one of many issues - lousy management and coaching; ice time; denial that he is the leader of the team; playing favorites with certain players (Smyth, hemsky, gagner et al) rather than doing the unsavory things required to win (trading them or telling them to retire with grace).

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#170 VK63
August 28 2013, 08:50AM
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Weird choice... but OK. In the end it just endorses the popular opinion that the wearing of the C is largely a media courtesy for the odd, "state of the team" address and rarely a "follow me boys" as they run through a wall on game day.

I suspect that in the room Gags is rather well accepted by young and old and in the end its JUST a letter after all.

So... hooray for Gags and the great oracle wanye for the earth shattering discovery. Will there be a "nation party" ???? I do hope so.... because partying with wanye is good stuff....... always.

For me personally as I view the C as a figurehead nod and nothing else, I would give it to Smyth in his final year as the young lads transition into the world of eakins.

Ferrence will have a lot to do with the integration of eakins way into the room. He is a consummate pro and completely fearless in calling team mates out in the room. In essence he has "balls". Not sure gags is blessed with much of a confrontational element.

Those who would contradict that using his yearly token "fights" as evidence to the contrary.

Meh.

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#171 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 11:52AM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

Look, I'll put it in context for you.

If someone, anyone really, scores eight points in one game, that's a big deal. Kevin McClelland's goal doesn't factor in anywhere here.

I don't think his big night defines his career.

Nor should it matter in determining the captaincy.

But to just dismiss it, and compare it to the glory years(which is funny, because it actually does compare), is pretty ignorant.

To be honest, I was in the Hall camp for the vacancy, but, I have a hard time arguing Gagner.

He's old enough and has enough games to talk to the elders, and can talk to the kids without sounding like their dad.

Not thinking he's captain material is one thing. Sh*tting on a eight point night is another.

Showing that one big goal means more than eight points is my point it is called context.

He scored eight points he did that good for him. Now in the context of what really matters more the one goal is far more important than the eight points.

You understand that right? Or should I resort to name calling like you did?

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#172 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 12:55PM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

Relax guy. I didn't call anyone any names.

If you want to live in the eighties, that's fine. I heard it was a good time to be an Oilers fan.

Me, I try and stay in the here and now. Last year, I got to watch some history.

The whole hockey community was focused on us for a night, and it was finally for something good.

No, not good. Great.

Celebrate it for what it is man. An impressive achievement in today's game.

Maybe I'm clinging to some of the only happy times I can remember as an Oilers fan in recent years. I don't count draft parties...

You know, maybe we're a lot alike....

Only, I'm clinging to 2012, not 1984.....

1984 was way better in every way than 2012..... I could drink for days and just keep going. Those five parties on Jasper Avenue were fun back then too.

Guess it will be Whyte avenue next Cup though.

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#173 Benny Botts
August 28 2013, 01:04PM
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I am all for Gags having the "C", he is a leader in the locker room and on the ice and he is a perfect bridge for the gap between the young guys and the older guys. I believe in the long term this is Halls team and he will eventually be the captain.

However there is one problem I have with this article.. how does Dallas Eakins decide on his captain without setting foot on the ice or in the dressing room with any of them? I think Eakins is the right man for the job, the results might now show this seaon. However long term I think he is the guy, i believe however, he is smarter then naming his captain before he even has had the chance to be in the same venue with all of them.

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#174 Casey
August 28 2013, 01:07PM
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SteelStewart wrote:

No way in hell Gags gets the "C" before Hall. No wayyyyyyyyyy BRO!

They want to hand the leadership of the team to the young franchise players. Gags is going to be traded in the last year or even this year of his contract. Lets be real....

First you people say "Clearly we didn't make the playoffs because our youth are still developing idiots it takes time" now you want someone who is not fully matured to be captain?? Let's wait until you guys stop using his age as an excuse for us not making the playoffs than we can talk

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#175 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:24PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Please don't project your insecurities on me.

My comment was not out of line or disrespectful, there was no reason to delete it.

Hi Sanaa Latham......

It's called Sanaa. Tation.....

You get deleted if you use the dirty version of the word poop......etc

It's not personnel.....

(Hits send...and eagerly awaits to see if poop makes it through)

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#176 Oil in Peg
August 28 2013, 03:06PM
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@SteelStewart

I never comment on this site but this time...

I do like Gags, he's good at what he does, takes a lot of flack from fans which he shouldnt, and does have leadship qualities etc. but really, he should be traded in the near future for what the team needs (#2 C with size); which is not to say that those players just fall out of the sky and are readily available. So with that in mind why on earth would you make him the captain? It really should be Hall, or if just for one season, Smyth (he should have gotten over J. Smith IMHO)... but if Wayne is right, and he probably is, I suppose he will have to do for now...

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#177 Czar
August 28 2013, 03:55PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Maybe Chicago, Toews is the man. Detroit is a tough one with Datsyuk. Could be Boston though.

Could he wrestle it from Chara? I don't think so.

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#178 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 05:24PM
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DieHard wrote:

Ditto

50 in 39 was magical.

Funny I was thinking of 50 in 39 when typing the comment out.

Five Goals on Pete Peters and the Flyers well four ,one in the empty net.Legend.

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#179 Walter Sobchak
August 28 2013, 06:50PM
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Are we not getting ahead of ourselves? Eakins has not even seen what kind of ability Gagner has as a leader.

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#180 OilClog
August 28 2013, 07:18PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Just heard fom Mike Gillis....he says the Oilers should make Devan Dubnyk the next Captain!

The Dakin on this isn't reading correctly.. should be hovering the 200's by now for sure.

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#181 Gagner means Win
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Gagner is the best choice for captain. Ferrence is a great choice but lets break it down to him not being a familiar face to the boys. Gagner has shown hes a hard worker on the ice. The C is not about point production.. its about work production. Hes a leader in the dressing room and has been around for 6 seasons that have been a mess.. and only gotten better with every year that passes. Hes captained a team as a junior. Hes missed roughly 40 games give or take since his rookie year.. not much can be said about Hall and RNH. (ahem.. injuries.. learn to stop Hallsy) As for Ebs.. great player.. but you cant honestly say hes the leader of the group, and has quieted down since his rookie campaign. All i have to say is Gagner for Priminister. Give him what he has earned.. "C"

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#182 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 07:38AM
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Czar wrote:

2-3 years from now both hall and gagner will still be in their prime years - under what pretext would gagner surrender the c willingly? Name another example of that happening.

Fogolin gave up the C when it was clear that Gretzky was ready and it was his team. Fogolin definately wasn't in his prime but I feel Gagner is cut from the same cloth, he'd do whatever is best for the team.

Clearly - and by your own admission - not an apt example.

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#183 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:12PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Gene principe just weighed in on 1260. His opinion is very similar to mine (and the show hosts too, apparently.

This where Oilersnation replies in unison ....in their best mimicing SMARMY voice...."Gene Principe just weighed in on 1260.....His opinion is very similar to mine and the shows host apparently.."......

Sorry Gord ....Couldn't resist.....

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#184 Wax Man Riley
August 28 2013, 03:21PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

I am not sure why they would name Gagner captain at this time. There is a new head coach and a new associate coach (or whatever Acton is) and neither of them know the room yet. They literally cannot have observed Gagner in a locker room or anywhere else with a full team. Why rush into this? Why not give out a bunch of “A”s and give Eakins a couple of months to observe the room and then name a captain?

I guess the answer is obvious. Eakins, like those coaches that came before him, don’t get to pick their own assistants, don’t get to pick their own captains, and probably need a note from Lowe to go to the bathroom.

Sigh.

Ugh.... are you kidding me with this comment? A note to go to the bathroom?

We all know he needs a hall pass from Lowe.... not a note. sheesh.

(totally agree with you btw. as much as I like Gags, I don't think there was a reason to rush)

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#185 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 04:25PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Horcoff,Smith, and Moreau weren't the best players on the ice, and were Captain.s

Gagner has 6 years on ice and Hall has 3 years.

Hall need some maturing,, which I am sure will come after six years. Who knows he may not want the C at this point in his career.

True, however there were no franchise players the caliber of hall during those eras either save for pronger and one wonders if he would have been made capt had he not flown the coop.

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#186 Brian
August 29 2013, 07:19AM
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Making such predictions from behind a cute alias mean nothing to me. Z serious blogger will use his real name. (And we know Lowetides's).

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#187 Shaft
August 29 2013, 03:20PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

You do know it has been proven that interviews are a horrible selection method, fraught with errors? We do them as part of the hiring process because there are precious few viable alternatives.

In this case though, there was a much more reliable alternative, which is observation. And if the rumour is true, the Oilers will have again forgone the opportunity to make a strong informed decision based on evidence.

Don't you think management has been able to observe the players long enough (who are candidates for the job) over the last 3-6 years? Unless you are suggesting a first year Oiler like Ference should be considered?

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#188 Shaft
August 29 2013, 03:23PM
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@OutDoorRink

You think Jason Smith knew what it took to win at the highest lever when he was awarded the C in 01? He did alright in 06 I think........

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#189 nathan
August 28 2013, 08:50AM
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@Wanye

Or you could be trying for a little of that Lowetide All Hail Rajala karma.

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#190 michael
August 28 2013, 09:09AM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

Off topic but Taylor Hall's name wasn't even mentioned once on the tsn panel. They don't even have him in the mix. The fact they think Eberle deserves consideration means they consider him the better player which is just nuts.

Eberle has proven International experience on the big ice. He is a clutch performer. Hall has yet to prove that internationally. TSN is going on track record not Hall's NHL numbers. Plus Hall is 21 for goodness sake. They are looking for guys who paid their dues previously. Proven performers. Hall would be a rookie in terms of this level. So would EBS but his performances in previous international tournaments merits him more consideration at this time.

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#191 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 11:44AM
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Just curious if the Oilers are the only team in NHL history to trade every captain they've ever had?!? (With the exception of Al Hamilton)

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#192 Czar
August 28 2013, 03:23PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

What other team has he spent his entire 6-year career with?

You can't ask that question there is no way to answer it.

I will say if Sam did spend his 6 years with another team, he could be captain of any of them except maybe Pitts.

Or Chicago, Boston, Detroit

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#193 gcw_rocks
August 29 2013, 10:55AM
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OilFanInVan wrote:

FACTS:

1. Nobody in this chat room is in the dressing room or management office.

2. If anyone thinks that Eakins hasn't already talked to all of the players once or twice, go back to his press conference when he was introduced as coach.

3. If anyone thinks they know what Eakins/MacT wants in a captain you might as well think twice again.

OPINIONS:

1. I highly suspect that the coaching staff and management have completed their Due Diligence and will name a captain that will exude the qualities that they feel best suits the team.

2. I highly doubt that any captaincy decision to be made is based on career point totals, highest points in a game, or duration of time playing the game.

3. I suspect that the captaincy decision is based on interviews with the players (current and former) and based on an ability to be the media face of the franchise.

You do know it has been proven that interviews are a horrible selection method, fraught with errors? We do them as part of the hiring process because there are precious few viable alternatives.

In this case though, there was a much more reliable alternative, which is observation. And if the rumour is true, the Oilers will have again forgone the opportunity to make a strong informed decision based on evidence.

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#194 OutDoorRink
August 31 2013, 10:59AM
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I don't know what I would feel if Sam was to be named captain, but I do know one thing that I would not feel and that's confident that we had a leader who could inspire the team to greater heights.

You need some kind of cred to do that, and so far, other than Smytty and Hemmer, there's nobody else on this team that has made it into the playoffs as an Oiler.

It'll all shake out in training camp anyway. We'll know in about 4 weeks.

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