SAM GAGNER TO BE NAMED C14

Wanye
August 27 2013 09:26PM

Now many moons ago back in 2009 your ol' pal Wanye tripped over some news at the bottle depot when we found out that Mike Comrie was coming back to the Oilers for a second tour of duty. 

Everyone under the sun called us a liar, a dreamer or worse but history ultimately proved us correct. It seems that even now and again a garbage can gets another steak because we have a second bit of news a mere four years later.

Sam Gagner is going to be named the 14th Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

THE PROCESS

Apparently when the Oilers trade their Captain - which happens all too often sadly - one of their final duties on the way out the door is to weigh in on who should replace them at the helm of the team. Jason Smith begat Ethan Moreau. Ethan Moreau knighted Shawn Horcoff. And now Horcoff put 89's name in the ring as the man most deserving to be his successor.

Once that occurs the powers that be at the Oilers offices huddle together and discuss the candidate's worthiness. It seems Samwise has passed the mustard with Katz, Lowe, MacT and Eakins and will be named the C14.

THE THINKING

Sam Gagner is one of those guys who mysteriously gets little love from the OilersNation. A mere 9 months older than our beloved Jordan Eberle he already has 6 NHL seasons under his belt and has fared quite well despite what some folks will tell you.

In 414 GP he has potted 91 goals, 167 assists and 258 points including the fabulous 8 point night back in 2012 that caused a bare bummed Travis Dakin to streak down the freezing streets of Fort McMurray much to the delight of the entire internet.

In many games during the past few disappointing seasons Gagner was one of the few Oilers who kept the foot on the gas all the way to the final match of the season, refusing to mail it in on even the meaninglessest of games. And his leadership didn't end there - he was also one of the few Oilers who were willing to face the post game media scrums night after night.

And although the Oilers and Gagner's camp have had trouble reaching a long term contract his three year deal announced on July 22nd was enough certainty to name him the fourteenth Captain in team history.

THE RESULT

With Gagner wearing the C it eliminates the gun fight between Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and The Nuge for ownership of the team. Whose team is it? Effectively this move makes it everyone's team.

And even more so - the team belongs to Sam Gagner as he joins the likes of Gretzky, Messier, Lowe and Weight in the pantheon of legends as the newest Captain of the Edmonton Oilers.

Maybe we are wrong. We highly doubt it. So how you like him now haters?

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#1 DSF
August 27 2013, 09:35PM
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Brooke Hogan is at least 3 inches taller than Sammy Snowpants and I've heard (not at the bottle depot) that she can go into the corners and come out with the ?@3#.

Her Dad, Hulk, has been working on crushing skulls for decades, while Sam's Dad, Dave, has been working on making the Canucks into a Stanley Cup winner.

Based on pedigree and size, Brooke would be a better choice for Captain.

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#2 DSF
August 27 2013, 09:55PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

In all fairness Brooke Hogan is 3 inches taller than most of us. That's a monster lady! I hope Sam gets it. Did not see that coming , not for one second.

The Oilers have a long history of appointing mediocre players to be their captain.

Ground Hog Day.

In other news...the TSN Panel has predicted the Olympic roster.

Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos

Staal-Toews-Nash

Couture-Tavares-Giroux

Sharp-Getzlaf-Carter

Bergeron-St. Louis

No sign of Gagner.

I wonder why?

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#3 DSF
August 27 2013, 10:51PM
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dangilitis wrote:

DSF - Gagner is a mediocre player? You have said some dumb sh*t over the years, but this has to take the cake as one of the dumbest things you have ever said. Book it.

There is no justification for this comment. Even for someone as stupid as you. Ryan Jones is a mediocre player. Nick Schultz is a mediocre player. You were probably a mediocre beer league player. Gagner is highly skilled and a legitimately drafted top 10 pick, with his career pt totals in his draft year 2nd only to Patrick Kane. Like Hemsky, he has put up a boatload of offence for years with little help and a revolving door of coaches. When he tried to commit more to defence, remember the year he ... wait for it, dipsh*t... scored 8 points in a single game, he was the Oilers best center in terms of scoring chance differential (as per EJ tallies). And like Hemsky he had to hear critiques from MSM and d*ckheads like you who think they know something about hockey.

Hall would be my choice as captain by a fair margin, but Gagner still becomes the most skilled captain the team has seen in 12 years. I can live with that. If you define mediocre as not making the canadian olympic roster (even a TSN concocted one), then I am without speech.

Gagner is mediocre? Really, or are you getting bored that you haven't had any attacks at your character in the last few days? Well you get your wish so get your rocks off on this post for now. But I am not even going to try and justify my response any further because you must have smoked too much crack or sniffed too much glue or something tonight. Wanye, please call this man a cab and send him the f*ck out of here.

Gagner is a mediocre player.

His point totals have been inflated by how desperate the Oilers were to sell tickets.

Logan Couture, Jakub Voracek, Max Pacioretty, David Perron, Kevin Shattenkirk, Jamie Benn and PK Subban, who were all selected after Gagner, are much better hockey players.

If Gagner, after all this time in the league isn't on the Team Canada radar, he isn't much.

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#4 DSF
August 27 2013, 10:24PM
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Johe wrote:

I BELIEVE YOU WAYNE!! *voice begins to tremble, single tear trickles down cheek*

I...believe...

Oh and DSF- GET OUT!!!!!! Let's see you score eight points in the NHL in one night!!!!!

Or you.

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#5 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 12:24AM
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Terrible mistake to name gagner captain.

MacT has had him as the apple of his eye from the very beginning. Unfortunately gagner has no place on this team. If RNH is your number one centre you can't have a player of gagner's style as your number two. It's that simple. (An analogy would be having a compact sports could for a car and your wife having twins. The coupe is still a very fine car but you sensibly trade it for a mini-van or SUV.)

So rather than trade him and what ever or whomever else to get the right type of centre MacT has now tied him to the mast.

Ask your self this: how many people outside of oilers nation would have picked gagner to be captain? The clear number one - the player who has been the leader of this team on the ice almost every game - is Taylor hall.

But because he - apparently - doesn't toe the line that MacT et al set off ice he is denied what is rightfully his.

The clock is now ticking on when hall goes elsewhere. It's when - not if. And it won't be a pleasant parting.

What a messed up set of priorities oil management. And ownership has.

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#7 Mike Modano's Dog
August 28 2013, 04:36AM
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I don't like it either. I haven't liked a damned thing Mac-bold moves-T has done since he replaced Tambolini because it was so easy to do better than he did. Where were all his f***ing draft day trades? Oh, maybe it's not as easy to do as you thought from afar. One deal he's pulled off of any significance and we overpaid dearly, imo. We'll have another injury-riddled player, who is small while letting another go with is younger, faster, healthier, and stronger. In a year or two if he isn't the best player I will take it back. But a concussion history on this team is not what you want to have. We are the target practice for 29 other teams out there...okay, maybe only 28.

Well, all he's done is f*** everything up. Surprise, surprise.

I agree with the writer above, MacT has tied his sail to Gags. We should have traded him when we had the chance. I'd much rather that than trade Ebs or RNH - because they're small! So, instead do we keep them all and remain the same size? No, actually we're smaller this year than last with the removal of some of our tougher players in the organization.

What a joke MacT is, Lowe, the whole gang. When the players leave town we won't be bragging about MacT then, we'll be lamenting the stars who have gone. Wait, maybe we can just blame it on them. It's not management's fault after all... it was Souray's fault wasn't it? Pronger's wife caused that too...

Must be nice to be a perfect A-hole like Lowe is - then get away with it, having a radio show dedicated to kissing his *** all the time, and selling his crap.

For the record, I don't think there is a more stand-up guy than Sheldon Souray is, and he told us the truth...when most wouldn't. (That's why we don't hear more of this, most don't.) How anyone in charge of the team could question his toughness, and make him feel forced to come back before he himself thinks he's ready (and still have a job) is beyond me.

Ranting - sorry, but I've lost it with these Oilers lately...or, I should say, they've lost me!!

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#8 Death Metal Nightmare
August 28 2013, 05:40AM
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the rationalization to give Gagner the C in this article is beyond stupid.

you guys are starting to become self-absorbed into your own fish bowl of players because of a couple drafts and AS F***ING USUAL you throw players into the roles they CANNOT HANDLE (give Horcoff 5 mil and throw a C on his jersey to blast his Hands of Stone around for a few years. then HURRY UP TO GET THE HELL RID OF HIM WHEN THE LOVE AFFAIR IS OVER) because the team is always two steps behind in overall talent.

"Well, the roster is still atrocious but we have a few kids with skill. better give the C to one of the kids who is a SKILL PLAYER THAT CANNOT GENERATE HIS OWN OFFENSE CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE HE IS NOT FAST ENOUGH, STRONG ENOUGH OR TALENTED ENOUGH. HE ONCE TRIED TO FIGHT A GUY WITH THE CAVEAT OF PENNER CRUSHING THE GUY IF HE WENT HARD WITH LIL SAM BOY. YOU ARE HEART AND SOUL YOUNG MAN. LEAD US NOWHERE WHILE WE WASTE TIME."

this is a total RUDY play. Joe Montana ripped that fantasy to shreds on Jim Rome. time to step out of the fish bowl fantasy, Edmonton.

F-

Give the C to Hall, you morons sitting in offices trying to act overly Fancy about Hockey.

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#9 Big Cap
August 28 2013, 09:56AM
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Sam Gagner is NOT an elite player. Taylor is the teams best player and emotional leader of this team.

Gagner may have "Paid his Dues" but that does NOT mean he is entitled to be our Captain.

Everyone talks about his 8 point game or his one fight a year. But really, what has he really done for our team in 6 years???

Hall must be our new Captain!

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#10 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 06:27AM
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Sam reflects the current edition of the Oilers perfectly. He can't play defense, does not know how to play without the puck. Intimidates no one and is very easy to play against.

So all in all a nice fit

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#11 John
August 27 2013, 10:25PM
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This is the most ridiculous article I've read all week. Taylor Hall defines everything a captain should be - leader, top scorer, passionate and fan favorite! Gagner is another average player with some leadership qualities. If you look at most NHL teams, the top players are the top leaders. Wake up and smell the freeking coffee

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#12 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 09:21AM
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Gene principe just weighed in on 1260. His opinion is very similar to mine (and the show hosts too, apparently.

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#13 Oil Can
August 27 2013, 09:33PM
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This is Taylor Hall's team and they should give him the "C" that he deserves.

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#14 SteelStewart
August 28 2013, 10:16AM
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No way in hell Gags gets the "C" before Hall. No wayyyyyyyyyy BRO!

They want to hand the leadership of the team to the young franchise players. Gags is going to be traded in the last year or even this year of his contract. Lets be real....

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#15 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 07:53AM
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David S wrote:

Sorry man. All the justification you can bring to the table is negated by one simple fact.

No "mediocre" player EVER scored 8 points in a single game in the NHL.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Certainly there are better players than Sam. But he's definitely not mediocre.

I'm so tired of the eight points in one game stuff.

If Gretzky played between Ebs and Hall he would get eight points three times a year but then again he is in his fifties now.

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#16 Craig1981
August 27 2013, 11:56PM
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Oil Can wrote:

This is Taylor Hall's team and they should give him the "C" that he deserves.

Have you heard off the ice issues with Taylor Hall?!?!? The reason Hall isn't the Captain is the same reason Patrick Kane isn't. Signing "F$%K off" jersey means he has some growing up to do. Gagner has gone through it and learned from it (remember the charging for autograph scandal?) Gagner is all class now

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#17 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 10:22AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

There is a big difference in the game in the 80's (yes I was around and remember them) but there was only 21 teams and statistically the odds of winning the cup were easier back than. Also every year a team wins the cup. Not every year especially in todays era does someone score 8 points.

The thing that makes it even better was the timing of it, and the fact that it wasnt hall or eberle.

Comparing scoring eight goals in a nothing game to winning five Cups is like comparing Milly Cyrus shaking her a$$ to Pink Floyds The Wall. One is great the other fluff.

It is a real insight into this edition of the Oilers when most fans here approve of the new captain being Sam. Is he the best the team has to offer?

Now that is a sad state of affairs.

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#18 shanetrain
August 28 2013, 06:59AM
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Sam Gagner is a logical choice for the C.

Hall might be a little too hotheaded still at his young age. He will apprentice under Gags until he leaves in Free Agency to the Leafs in a few years time.

That is when this becomes Taylor Hall's team.

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#19 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 12:50AM
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DrDave wrote:

Everyone seems to forget Nuge is coming back from a relatively serious injury and if he isnt ready or even if he is (and not back to 100% Nugeiness) Sam may be our #1 C for some time this year. The kid is a stud and he is all heart! I can see the Jordan Staal / Crosby comparison but IMO I dont see Hall ready to take on the C yet... I still think he's 2-3 years away from being that all encompassing leader that we all want in him.

Good for Sam! Great player! C-15 will be Hall, no question!!

2-3 years from now both hall and gagner will still be in their prime years - under what pretext would gagner surrender the c willingly? Name another example of that happening.

The only way hall gets the c is if gagner is traded away. And that isn't going to happen on MacT's watch.

As for RNH not being back at the start - then sure gagner has a place on the team. But once RNH is back he is redundant/a bad fit. for the sake of a few games gagner should have been traded in the off season. Now, barring a truly hold move by MacT the team is set and as a result the rest of the league is going to relentlessly hit the oil to victory.

(IMO gagner should have been dealt before the strike - this redundancy was known even then)

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#20 Craig1981
August 28 2013, 12:51AM
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intoitoverit wrote:

There's just no way that can be true. If any NHL player did that the media backlash would be huge. I have no doubt they go out and party, but lets not believe everything we hear about the wonder kids.

I should of posted it as a well talked about rumor, totally my error. I personally do believe it to be true though. Regardless I have heard way too many poor stories to believe some are not true. Well all make mistakes though.

A good PR team does wonders.....remember when no one knew Tiger Woods was a cheater.

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#21 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 02:31PM
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Just curious....if we can collectively think of another team in the NHL where Gagner would/should be Captain?

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#22 gcw_rocks
August 28 2013, 03:13PM
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I am not sure why they would name Gagner captain at this time. There is a new head coach and a new associate coach (or whatever Acton is) and neither of them know the room yet. They literally cannot have observed Gagner in a locker room or anywhere else with a full team. Why rush into this? Why not give out a bunch of “A”s and give Eakins a couple of months to observe the room and then name a captain?

I guess the answer is obvious. Eakins, like those coaches that came before him, don’t get to pick their own assistants, don’t get to pick their own captains, and probably need a note from Lowe to go to the bathroom.

Sigh.

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#23 rubbertrout
August 27 2013, 09:30PM
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I figured it would have been Fernuckle.

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#24 Tim in Kelowna
August 28 2013, 09:23AM
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I love this. As far as I'm concerned you want the most dedicated guy on the team to be the leader. Sam is that guy - he never quits and every time he drops the gloves I find myself shedding a tear of pride.

Taylor Hall is the best player on the team and he makes a good leader on the ice and (likely) in the dressing room. But Hall is a punk off the ice and the last thing the Oilers need is the Captain representing the team poorly around town.

Sam is both a enthusiastic youngster and a classy veteran. He represents the youth movement but he also has the maturity to deal with the media and the fans appropriately.

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#25 Quicksilver ballet
August 28 2013, 11:11AM
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I'm okay with Gagner being the captain. As long as he's used in a package to bring back a more physical centerman (#14, currently wearing a different shade of orange) who can play at both ends of the rink.

Doesn't matter who wears the C on this team. Taylor Hall will lead/be the best player on the ice anyways.

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#26 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 05:29PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

The point is that no matter who you are or what era you play in, getting 8 points in 1 game is special.

Against an elite Stanley Cup contender no less. There is no way 8 points in 1 game can be chalked up to a fluke. Why didn't Hall get 8? When was the last time Crosby got 8, or OV got 8?

You argue that is doesn't matter and that the Hawks gave up? This is the NHL, teams don't just give up. Players don't sit down and let people score.

8 points. 1 game. Special. No way around it.

NHL teams give up all the time.Just look at the Oilers the last few springs.You might even want to note last spring when Sam got one point in the last ten games a second assist.Yep,that is captain material alright.

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#27 SteelStewart
August 28 2013, 10:16AM
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ANNNNNDDD

Who gives a flying F what Horcoff thinks...

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#28 oilerjed
August 27 2013, 09:38PM
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If you are not giving it to Smytty of all the players on the oil right now Sam has probably earned it the most.

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#29 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 07:38AM
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Czar wrote:

2-3 years from now both hall and gagner will still be in their prime years - under what pretext would gagner surrender the c willingly? Name another example of that happening.

Fogolin gave up the C when it was clear that Gretzky was ready and it was his team. Fogolin definately wasn't in his prime but I feel Gagner is cut from the same cloth, he'd do whatever is best for the team.

Clearly - and by your own admission - not an apt example.

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#30 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 28 2013, 11:03AM
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Wanye wrote:

EVERYONE IS YELLING

SHOWER ME WITH TRASHES

HOW ABOUT I YELL AND GIVE YOU A PROPS AND ZERO TRASHES! HOW YOU LIKE DEM APPLES!!!

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#31 Dan 1919
August 28 2013, 03:52PM
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Previous Stanley Cup winning captains: Toews, Brown, Chara, Toews, Crosby, Lidstrom, Niedermayer

Gagner is a great player but he does not belong in that group. The Oilers are notorious for picking poor to decent players with good attitudes as captains.

Team with leaders win Stanley cups, not teams with "nice guys finish first attitudes."

If this is anymore than just a rumour, the Oilers need a serious reality check before the kids start asking to be traded.

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#32 Archaeologuy
August 27 2013, 09:40PM
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Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod!!!!!!!!

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#33 Serious Gord
August 28 2013, 07:37AM
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skinny65 wrote:

Usually it's pretty tough to say something dumber than DSF, but you managed it here Gord. Because the Oilers didn't give a 21 year old Hall the C, he is going to want to be moved? Hahha, that's the most ludicrous thing ever!! "And it wont be a pleasant parting" What are you even talking about? How does giving the C to someone else make that remotely true? Is Hall a 5 year old?

Not now and not simply over this issue.

But rather one of many issues - lousy management and coaching; ice time; denial that he is the leader of the team; playing favorites with certain players (Smyth, hemsky, gagner et al) rather than doing the unsavory things required to win (trading them or telling them to retire with grace).

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#34 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 10:49AM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

I can only imagine what you would say about an eight point night if Hall was the one potting the points.

The whole hockey world stopped and took notice when Gagner broke ONE OF WAYNE GRETZKY'S RECORDS.

And now, that "nothing game" you keep refering to, is infamous and lives on in the record books.

An eight point game = fluff?

Another old time fan, like DSF, that the bandwagon should have ran over when they jumped off....

OK, he TIED Gretzky's record.Gretzky actually did it twice.

I'll try to put the eight goal game into context for you.

What meant more the Oilers organization Gagner eight points in a regular season game or Kevin Mcclelland 1-0 goal against Billy Smith and the Islanders?

No contest is it?

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#35 The_CWD_GarbageMan
August 28 2013, 01:43PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Can I please just say I LOVE THE TRASH BUTTON. It has made it so that I can have faith in Oiler fans again. I was starting to think they were all just a bunch of whiny stupid heads. The silent masses are able to make themselves heard without entering the fray. It's great.

Gagner for captain makes all kinds of sense. He actually has the ability to change games. He has grit and will stick up for his teammates. He is a longtime Oiler. It will take pressure off the other kids. He is respected by the players and management (or so I am led to believe).

Good choice.

CWD and the Trash-it button LOVE you too sir ... we love you too ...

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#36 Sanaa Montana
August 28 2013, 10:17AM
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Please don't project your insecurities on me.

My comment was not out of line or disrespectful, there was no reason to delete it.

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#37 Bucknuck
August 28 2013, 11:45AM
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Can I please just say I LOVE THE TRASH BUTTON. It has made it so that I can have faith in Oiler fans again. I was starting to think they were all just a bunch of whiny stupid heads. The silent masses are able to make themselves heard without entering the fray. It's great.

Gagner for captain makes all kinds of sense. He actually has the ability to change games. He has grit and will stick up for his teammates. He is a longtime Oiler. It will take pressure off the other kids. He is respected by the players and management (or so I am led to believe).

Good choice.

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#38 OutDoorRink
August 28 2013, 05:41PM
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Eakins had better have a large say in who captains the ship and I don't see how he could do that without steering the team through a training camp.

As I've mentioned in other posts, I think that a player such as Andrew Ference is a much better choice. Not that Sam is a pushover, but Ference is from a different league as far as knowing what it takes to reach elite level. He's been playing there for a few years now and is a perfect mentor to liaison between the coach and the kids.

Would you respect him if you were Gagner?

What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

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#39 Krusher
August 27 2013, 09:40PM
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1 - dude likes the city, committed 2 - speaks very well, can handle the media 3 - going into year 7, still young but experienced

Most importantly, willing to do what it takes. Any guy that takes on a beast two weight classes above fully knowing his going to take some hard licks (Beauchemin) for the team is tops in my book.

Overall a great choice and a guy who is respected in the dressing room. Anyone who knocks this decision flat out does not understand hockey or the role of a captain.

Congrats Sam

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#40 evanball
August 27 2013, 09:30PM
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u srs bro?

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#41 Terran
August 27 2013, 11:29PM
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@DSF

"His point totals have been inflated by how desperate the Oilers were to sell tickets."

WTF does that even mean? KLowe was slipping the officials some green to give Gags points?

Please, enlighten us, o wise one...

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#42 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 09:15AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

also if you are tired of it you truly aren't an oilers fan. Finally through all the meritocracy something magical happens and you cant embrace it.

I have been an Oiler fan since the WHA.

You know what is magical to me. Another Cup. Not a freak occurrence in a nothing game. A game in which the other team clearly quit trying.

Some folks that were not around for the Cup years don't understand what winning is and what it takes to win. Seven years outside the playoffs is tough to swallow. Yeah, I'm jaded only because I have witnessed greatness in the Oilers and now all I see is mistake after mistake.

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#43 LoweBlow
August 28 2013, 09:24AM
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I think Gags is a great choice. I hope this motivates him to round out his game. Play a bit tougher, better in his own end, stronger in the faceoff circle.

Feed this kid some bloody raw meat before every game.

No vegans allowed.

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#44 They're $hittie
August 28 2013, 10:04AM
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@Big Cap

being the best player does not entitle you to the captaincy either. Washington is Ovechkins team, whether he wears the c or not. Not saying Hall doesnt except this but if he can't than he is not mature enough to be captain or even captain material.

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#45 2004Z06
August 28 2013, 11:02AM
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@Big Cap

He's been here 6 yrs, dealt with all the media and public scrutiny as a professional, been a gamer every night in the good times and bad (mostly bad). He doesn't throw tantrums when the coach pulls the goalie and the team gives up an empty netter, he doesn't chirp the refs after every call/non call. His age and experience also makes him the perfect bridge between the veterans and the kids.

I have seen Taylor Hall do a lot of growing up over the past few years and I believe he will be the captain of this team one day, but he is not there just yet.

Why the rush? Hall will get his turn, just as he will get his turn at the olympics. It just won't be in Sochi.

People need to show a little patience. Just because he could be captain now doesn't necessarily mean he should.

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#46 Shifty203
August 28 2013, 11:10AM
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Big Cap wrote:

I'm not dead set against Gagner being our Captain, but I strongly believe Hall is a better choice.

You say that "Gagner has earned it"... What exactly has he done to earn it??

To be fair, as per your question, we can also ask "what has Hall done to earn it?".

We all know Hall can put up a ton of points. We all know Hall busts his butt.

We all know Gagner puts up his share of points. We all know Gagner also busts his butt.

We all know they both come off as leaders off the ice, in front of the camera.

What not one person here knows, is how they are as leaders on the ice, or in the locker room. None, notta, not one person. Management and the coaching staff, however, should/does have access to that information.

While i'm not entirely trusting of our management, I am hardly a consipiracy theorist either.

If our new coach has talked to management, talked to staff, and talked to the players, and this is who he chose, then thats the way it goes.

I don't understand the fan's here that sound personaly insulted that Hall wasn't the choice.

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#47 They're $hittie
August 28 2013, 11:34AM
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@Big Cap

Gagner doesnt show signs of giving it his all on the ice? Wow you don't watch the games do you.

Taylor was born with Talent and Elite Skill. You cant teach that, but that does not equal a good leader.

Putting in your time does count for something. Experience and lessons learned is what makes you a better captain.

How many businesses bring in the new fresh face out of school with the fancy degree to lead the place and they have no respect from the employees. Lots. Paying your dues and learning lessons is huge to being a good leader.

Several Draft day quotes for Gagner "freat leadership and captain material"

Very similar to Halls draft day regarding his leadership. Do not recall this for Eberle, or Nuge.

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#48 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 28 2013, 11:44AM
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Just curious if the Oilers are the only team in NHL history to trade every captain they've ever had?!? (With the exception of Al Hamilton)

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#49 2004Z06
August 28 2013, 12:01PM
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Big Cap wrote:

Gagner does give it all on the ice, I agree. But to what impact on every shift does he make? (Cue the stats guys)

There is probably less than 5 current players in the league who wear the C and are not the best players on the team. Those players however would then in turn bring a very strong and different skill to compensate for that.

Hall has been here for 3 years, he's not Freshed faced or a rookie or new to the Oilers. He too has put his time in. IMO, he has accomplished more in 3 years than Gagner in 6.

We have had Captains over the years who are great team players and leaders, but lack high end skill. I believe most recently Doug Weight would be the best example as a Hybrid who brings both high end skill and great leadership. He was an All Star and Olympian while leading his team in scoring and always leading by example on and off the ice. I don't see many Olympics, or All Star or leading our team in points for 89

I do think he is a valuable player for us, just not a game breaker and future super star like Hall is.

Accomplished in what regard? Points? We are not talking about who the better player is here, we are talking about who the better leader is. One does not equate to the other.

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#50 Spydyr
August 28 2013, 06:13PM
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@OutDoorRink

What does Sam have to tell Ference about winning?

Lots if it is about winning the Frodo look alike contest.About the Cup not so much.

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