The Captaincy: There’s No Rush

Jonathan Willis
August 29 2013 09:44AM

Thanks to our own Wanye Gretz, everybody’s talking about who the Edmonton Oilers’ next captain should be. Should it be one of the team’s young stars? Should it be Sam Gagner? Should it be a veteran like Andrew Ference?

I can’t help thinking there’s no rush to make a decision.

No Rush: Part One

It’s been made clear over the summer that rookie head coach Dallas Eakins will be the guy deciding who will captain the Oilers now after the departure of Shawn Horcoff. He’s new to the group, and it only makes sense that he wait until he’s seen them together in training camp, talked to the various candidates (and heard from other players about the various candidates) and just generally observed the team.

No Rush: Part Two

The other issue is that it might make sense to consider something other than a full-time, permanent captain at this point (something Jason Strudwick has suggested here previously). So far, there has been no indication that the Oilers are considering a rotating captaincy or a group of alternates without a designated captain, but it’s an idea that in my view has some merit.

First, the caveat. I was asked the other day by a very smart guy what I thought of the potential of Sam Gagner as captain. I told this person that I really didn’t know because I think it’s extremely difficult for an outsider to answer that question. To what degree the captaincy matters it matters inside the dressing room, and without a really good feel for the mix of personalities it’s difficult to be certain which player is the best fit for the role.

With that said, the sense that I get is there is a lack of certainty about who the best choice is. Taylor Hall’s exceptional 2013 campaign has established him as the best young player on the team right now. A year ago, Jordan Eberle would have been the consensus pick as the best of the bunch and as the team’s only full-time alternate was seemingly the favourite to be the captain in the future. Andrew Ference seems to be highly regarded and is joining the team from an extremely successful Bruins’ club, but he’s also 34 years old. Sam Gagner has been praised by general manager Craig MacTavish for his character but seems a step below the team’s upper tier skill-wise. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins seems universally praised as a mature young man and though he hasn’t been mentioned often in this context a year from now that might be a very different story.

To me, it’s a group that seems well-suited to the old Jacques Lemaire strategy of having a rotating captain. If there is a reluctance to name one of the younger stars captain now, it saves the team from the installation and subsequent tricky removal of a short-term veteran captain while at the same time offering those young players a sort of trial run. It also stresses group leadership and allows the coach to reward especially compelling performances. With the five players named above, plus Nick Schultz and Ladislav Smid there seems to be no shortage of potential candidates for such a system, and unlike in Minnesota it would be a run with a definite end date – after one season, doubtless the choice for the permanent captaincy would be clearer.

I don’t expect the Oilers to go this route, but it wouldn’t bother me in the least if they did.

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#1 Sanaa Montana
August 29 2013, 10:40AM
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If Gagner is named captain, then, Omark needs to be one of his assistants.

Only reason the Oilers would name Gagner captain is because they wouldn't want to choose between the four kids who run the team and the team belongs to.

Captains are leaders, Gagner is a fortunate son.

"The skilled can fill their people with energy to confront the emptiness of others, while the incompetent drain their people in face of the fullness of others." Since Gagner joined the Oilers. they have done nothing but sucked. Gagner didn't fill anyone with hope, nor did he make any of his teammates better.

Gagner is not a leader, never has been. He never took a game over in the 7 years he's been on the Oilers. He only performs when he's got a line to ride on. On his own Gagner is average at best.

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#2 Smokey
August 29 2013, 09:48AM
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Just Hall or Ebs. New article please.

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#3 Sanaa Montana
August 29 2013, 10:50AM
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Batfink wrote:

lol, beat me to it!

Don't worry. Go ahead, mention it again.

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#4 Zamboni Driver
August 29 2013, 11:36AM
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Gagner - "Hey new third-line centre guy."

What'shisface - "What?"

Gagner - "Gotta start pulling your weight better."

New Guy - "Hey Cap, STFU, win a face-off and figure out who your man is in our end."

Gagner - "I had EIGHT POINTS IN ONE GAME."

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#5 trentonl
August 29 2013, 10:39AM
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Ference will be a buyout candidate by the end of his contract. Huge mistake to pick him.

If not Gagner or Hall then Smyth should be the placeholder till one is ready.

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#6 DSF
August 29 2013, 12:11PM
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The bookies are speaking:

Pacific Division

Los Angeles Kings 3/2

Vancouver Canucks 3/1

Anaheim Ducks 9/2

San Jose Sharks 19/4

Edmonton Oilers 7/1

Phoenix Coyotes 16/1

Calgary Flames 30/1

http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/division-odds

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#7 Spydyr
August 29 2013, 11:20AM
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Batfink wrote:

8pts v Chicago?

Lowe has six rings. Means about as much.

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#8 oilbaron
August 29 2013, 10:04AM
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I love how every oilers fan and their mother has an opinion on who should be the captain, and how so many think Hall will be offended if he isn't named captain.

This team isn't exactly loaded with veterans, and thus it is a bit of a unique situation. With so many young guns, it is obvious that most of them can lead, a letter on a jersey won't change that fact.

Personally I would like to see anyone but hall named captain just because it would offend everyone (except the actual OILERS) so much

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#9 madjam
August 29 2013, 10:21AM
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It's Gagner . Hall to volatile and Eberle to passive - thus more veteran Gagner eakes in .

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#10 extroy
August 29 2013, 10:04AM
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Does it matter who the captain is in August? Rotating for a year does not seem like a bad idea to me. Let Smyth have the first stint, after that let each player earn it. No rush and by the end of the year it should be clear who owns the captaincy.

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#11 Spydyr
August 29 2013, 10:35AM
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So you're saying be like Tambo and assess the situation for a year or two? Have we not had enough of trying to run things by doing nothing. I know I have.

Not my choice of the way to go.As you mentioned unless you are an insider you are just guessing. That being said, my guess would be Ference or Smid.

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#12 dano
August 29 2013, 10:52AM
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It would be funny if they gave the captaincy to one player for a certain amount of games for the season, say 20, therefore having 4 captains throughout the year.

Further they could put a stipulation that whichever player had the best record as captain for their 20 game stint would become the permanent captain.

Not a great measure of leadership, but it would be mighty entertaining...

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#13 DSF
August 29 2013, 12:31PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Seems relatively reasonable.

They're higher on the Ducks than I'd be comfortable with. Or, rather, they're comfortable that the Ducks will look like enough of a steal for people to bet on them.

I'm surprised they have the Ducks ahead of San jose but otherwise it seems reasonable.

A lot will depend on how well the Ducks young guys Etem, Silfverberg, Smyth-Pelley, Palmieri, Holland, Marroon and Vatanen play.

That's a lot of relative inexperience but they are very good prospects.

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#14 Serious Gord
August 29 2013, 04:25PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

You don't want to know what happens when you disagree with Wanye

*Thinks about the time he disagreed with Wanye...goes back to sucking thumb in fetal position*

There are four possibilities: (please correct me if I am wrong)

Wanye:

1. Is exagerating (aka lying about) the sureness of the informant(s) who told him gagner will be captain.

2. 's informant(s) lied to him.

3. fabricated it from whole cloth (iow flat out lied)

4. was told the truth and the decision to make gagner the captain has been made.

The tone of jonathons post would indicate he thinks its one of the top three options. IOW someone is lying - either Wanye or wanye's informant(s).

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#15 God
August 29 2013, 10:08AM
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A coach needs to consider what the captaincy will do to a young, maturing player. I honestly think that Hall, Ebs, Nuge & Yak need to concentrate on their offensive development, Eakins will take care of the 200 foot player parts. This is why I think Gags is a great candidate, as he needs to develop in many areas besides offensive output. The captaincy would turn in into a complete player. The other kids aren't ready or are inappropriate chorines.

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#16 Trentonl
August 29 2013, 04:22PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Let me get this straight you are saying no to Ference because he will be "be a buyout candidate by the end of his contract" in say 3-4 years. Then you mentioned Smyth as a choice. No matter how much one loved Smyth he will be gone long before Ference.

I am saying choose Hall/Gagner. If they are too young in mgmt eyes then choose Smyth for this year and maybe one more if he plays another, then pass it to Hall. Ference will be dead weight by the end of his contract. Remember how it was to have Ethan Moreau as captain near the end....

I don't care if Smyth is captain for one season even, just a better pick then having Ference in his inevitable bad seasons.

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#17 Serious Gord
August 29 2013, 05:06PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Dude, you are way too serious.

Dude - we are talking about multi-million dollar egos here. Asserting something as fact in regard to them is a serious thing.

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#18 David S
August 29 2013, 12:30PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Gagner - "Hey new third-line centre guy."

What'shisface - "What?"

Gagner - "Gotta start pulling your weight better."

New Guy - "Hey Cap, STFU, win a face-off and figure out who your man is in our end."

Gagner - "I had EIGHT POINTS IN ONE GAME."

Gagner - (Motions to the room with circling finger)..."Boys"

(Entire team surrounds "new guy")

Gagner - "Now we can do this the easy way...or the hard way. Doesn't matter to me."

New Guy - "Man I gotta start pulling my weight around here."

Gagner - "What was that? I didn't hear you!"

New Guy - "SIR YES SIR! I GOTTA PULL MY WEIGHT AROUND HERE."

Gagner - "That's what I though you said. Ladi, you can let him down now."

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#19 Spydyr
August 29 2013, 12:59PM
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Batfink wrote:

I believe the qualifier for the statement was "Gagner is not a leader, never has been. He never took a game over in the 7 years he's been on the Oilers." Please include the context. Lowe was in a diatribe about his hockey knowledge. To my knowledge, Sam has never blown his own trumpet about that night.

Nope what the qualifier is winning six rings means so much more than getting 8 points in a regular season game.

You know what getting 8 points in a regular season game amounts to? Two points in the standing on a team that ended as a lotto pick. Big picture other than it being a shiny bauble it means next to nothing. Six Cup rings or a 8 point game what would you rather have?

Moving forward to today ,the past is the past, what you do next game is what really matters.

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#20 northof51
August 29 2013, 10:46AM
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@Sanaa Montana

8 points, 1 game.

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#21 Freewheeling Freddie
August 29 2013, 06:00PM
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It only makes sense that Gagne would be the next captain because our captains always get traded. Someone has told me the Oilers thought of having a playing coach just like Bobby Hull and JC Tremblay . Also Yak for captain.

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#22 Quicksilver ballet
August 29 2013, 07:24PM
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Instead of players handing out a cap/hat of some sort, or a silly jacket for an unsung hero of the game award. Why not give the chosen player of the game the C for the next game? Put some punch behind that award for the first couple months of the season/till a full time one is appointed by Dallas Eakins. Maybe now's the time to focus on effort/winning rather than irrelevant humour.

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#23 Serious Gord
August 29 2013, 03:47PM
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Jonathon :

You present the captaincy as still undecided.

Wanye presented it as fact that gagner will get the C.

Are you disagreeing with Wanye? And if so, why not say so above?

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#24 Serious Gord
August 29 2013, 11:21PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

But seriously, and I'm not being sarcastic, I'm trying to understand your argument Gord.

From listening to what you had to say on 1260 and your posts here, and please correct me if I'm wrong or missing the point....you're asserting that Wanye is blowing smoke...and you are concerned that his starting this rumour about the captaincy will lead to a ground swell of support for the idea...to the point where Oilers management will cave to the pressure of public sentiment and as a result, name Gagner as the next Captain of the Oil?

That's pretty much it. As I posted on Wanye's original thread, I think gagner would be a disaster for several reasons with the impact on hall being the most significant.

By possibly portraying gagner's captaincy as fact Wanye could be doing serious damage to the team.

If it is indeed fact, then MacT et al are bigger screw ups than even I thought they were. I truly do think that oil fans need to be vocal about what a bad idea this is - if Wanye is relaying the facts then maybe an uproar can reverse it.

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#25 Batfink
August 29 2013, 10:46AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

If Gagner is named captain, then, Omark needs to be one of his assistants.

Only reason the Oilers would name Gagner captain is because they wouldn't want to choose between the four kids who run the team and the team belongs to.

Captains are leaders, Gagner is a fortunate son.

"The skilled can fill their people with energy to confront the emptiness of others, while the incompetent drain their people in face of the fullness of others." Since Gagner joined the Oilers. they have done nothing but sucked. Gagner didn't fill anyone with hope, nor did he make any of his teammates better.

Gagner is not a leader, never has been. He never took a game over in the 7 years he's been on the Oilers. He only performs when he's got a line to ride on. On his own Gagner is average at best.

*sigh* Is this you DSF? 8pts v Chicago?

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#26 David S
August 29 2013, 10:55AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

If Gagner is named captain, then, Omark needs to be one of his assistants.

Only reason the Oilers would name Gagner captain is because they wouldn't want to choose between the four kids who run the team and the team belongs to.

Captains are leaders, Gagner is a fortunate son.

"The skilled can fill their people with energy to confront the emptiness of others, while the incompetent drain their people in face of the fullness of others." Since Gagner joined the Oilers. they have done nothing but sucked. Gagner didn't fill anyone with hope, nor did he make any of his teammates better.

Gagner is not a leader, never has been. He never took a game over in the 7 years he's been on the Oilers. He only performs when he's got a line to ride on. On his own Gagner is average at best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWruORVacD8

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#27 WhattaMike
August 29 2013, 11:49AM
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IMO, I would say there are two right choices here, at this time even though I also agree there is no rush for a new permanent Oiler captain yet as well.

The first type choice...is that it would be right to offer Ference the captaincy while with him knowing he would be this for about 2 yrs. He, in effect, would then be perfect to lead the team while also give mentoring to any one and/or all... of the kids...Hall, Eberle, or RNH.

The other right type choice is to give it to Hall now as he is definitely the strongest new leader. He has put in the time (3 yrs already), he's a leader in team scoring, he shows up every night, and he deals with the media excellently before and after games, etc.

Although Gagner would not be a bad or wrong choice, his contract issues with the Oilers as to being here long term are not yet secured and to give it to him then suddenly he is traded does not make sense. I would give him an "A" if Hall is promoted.

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#28 velo
August 29 2013, 12:50PM
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Ference all the way. Great leader on the ice and off. Come to @Nov_ProjectCAN and see for your self.

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#29 Spydyr
August 29 2013, 01:42PM
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Larry wrote:

I don't think to many of us bloggers spend much time in the oil dressing room. Let the coach decide.

Really, I expected Eakins to contact each and every one of us for our opinions.

It is the dog days of summer let the diehard fans have a bit of fun.

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#30 Batfink
August 29 2013, 10:47AM
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northof51 wrote:

8 points, 1 game.

lol, beat me to it!

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#31 Batfink
August 29 2013, 10:56AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Don't worry. Go ahead, mention it again.

8pts v Chicago?

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#32 mayorblaine
August 29 2013, 03:42PM
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if we truly lived by the words "none of us spend any time in the locker room" then what the heck are we even discussing anything, anytime.

that's stupid saying. have an opinion. stick with it/change it, no matter just stop saying that. it's just dumb.

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#33 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
August 29 2013, 04:53PM
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Letz all Hail Wanye!

Master of the Interwebs.

I don't wanna die.

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#34 Tim in Kelowna
August 29 2013, 11:30AM
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For me, statistical performance is the least important factor in choosing a captain. If your best player is truly the best candidate for the captaincy then that's just a bonus.

I'm more concerned about how he inspires, supports and motivates his teammates, and how he represents the team in the media and around town. By this metric, I would choose Gagner or Ference.

Choosing Hall because he is our most dynamic player makes no sense to me.

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#35 oilersnation
August 29 2013, 12:11PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you're saying be like Tambo and assess the situation for a year or two? Have we not had enough of trying to run things by doing nothing. I know I have.

Not my choice of the way to go.As you mentioned unless you are an insider you are just guessing. That being said, my guess would be Ference or Smid.

so is sam the captian

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#36 Buke
August 29 2013, 01:53PM
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God wrote:

A coach needs to consider what the captaincy will do to a young, maturing player. I honestly think that Hall, Ebs, Nuge & Yak need to concentrate on their offensive development, Eakins will take care of the 200 foot player parts. This is why I think Gags is a great candidate, as he needs to develop in many areas besides offensive output. The captaincy would turn in into a complete player. The other kids aren't ready or are inappropriate chorines.

Let me get this straight...giving the captaincy to Gagner will improve his faceoffs and defensive awareness?

Man, someone should have given Peckham the 'C' so that he would come to camp in shape!

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#37 MessyEH!
August 29 2013, 04:19PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Jonathon :

You present the captaincy as still undecided.

Wanye presented it as fact that gagner will get the C.

Are you disagreeing with Wanye? And if so, why not say so above?

No one I have ever met has openly disagreed with Wayne. I figure it's cause theys be dead. All hail Wayne.

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#38 The Soup Fascist
August 29 2013, 04:34PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

There are four possibilities: (please correct me if I am wrong)

Wanye:

1. Is exagerating (aka lying about) the sureness of the informant(s) who told him gagner will be captain.

2. 's informant(s) lied to him.

3. fabricated it from whole cloth (iow flat out lied)

4. was told the truth and the decision to make gagner the captain has been made.

The tone of jonathons post would indicate he thinks its one of the top three options. IOW someone is lying - either Wanye or wanye's informant(s).

Dude, you are way too serious.

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#39 The Soup Fascist
August 29 2013, 04:39PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

No one I have ever met has openly disagreed with Wayne. I figure it's cause theys be dead. All hail Wayne.

Another way to be sleeping with the fishes .....

Making the mistake of calling WANYE, WAYNE.

Nice knowing you, MessyEH!.

*Whistles nervously and hopes Wanye does not think he actually knows MessyEH!.

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#40 The Last Big Bear
August 29 2013, 08:56PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Instead of players handing out a cap/hat of some sort, or a silly jacket for an unsung hero of the game award. Why not give the chosen player of the game the C for the next game? Put some punch behind that award for the first couple months of the season/till a full time one is appointed by Dallas Eakins. Maybe now's the time to focus on effort/winning rather than irrelevant humour.

That is a highly unorthodox idea, but I honestly kind of like the sound of it.

I'm seriously tempted to try this with my men's league team.

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#41 Serious Gord
August 29 2013, 11:26PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

The reason I think this topic is so devisive is because there is an element of the Oilers fan base that like or love Gagner and would like to see him rewarded .....and there's the other, albeit smaller, element that would like to see Gagner traded for "the big center"......and if they give Gags the C......he won't be part of that trade.

Pretty accurate from where I sit. (That and I think giving gagner the c send the wrong message to the franchise player)

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#42 Paukl
August 29 2013, 11:30AM
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@Batfink

Or that time he stripped the Vancouver D of the puck and danced past the entire Canucks line to make Luongo look completely silly...or that time he, Penner, and Hemsky combined for 13 points on the night...you know....those times. I don't get why people think he doesn't do anything to lead. Just because he's not potting 5 goals a night and being loud on the bench doesn't mean he has zero leadership qualities.

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#43 Batfink
August 29 2013, 11:58AM
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@Tim in Kelowna

I agree. Gator, Moreau, Horcoff prove this and this is just the Oilers. Look around the league. Ovie is only now finding his feet as skipper. Crosby is a cry baby. Landeskog? WTF? Sedin? Now I'm snorting my milk down my nose trying not to laugh. But then there's guys like Toews, Chara, Alfie to name a few.

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#44 Eddie Shore
August 29 2013, 12:21PM
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@DSF

Bookies also had the Blue Jays favoured to win the World Series.

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#46 AGuy
August 29 2013, 01:11PM
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Rotating for a year is just implying to the team that "we don't have an identity, yet". I'm not really in favour, and I think the team should do the harder thing, and pin-point a captain, the right captain, right now - in camp.

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#47 The Soup Fascist
August 29 2013, 04:05PM
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I think it should be just like many minor hockey teams. Coach's kid is captain, gets to wear #9 (sorry Andy), and is 1st line centre.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 14th Captain in Oiler's history .......

WILL ACTON!!!!

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#48 Where's Your Towel
August 29 2013, 05:06PM
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Those of you who live in Edmonton (I don't or I would have done this by now), go meet up with @Ferknuckle for one of his #NovProject workouts and let me know if you still think he'll be dead weight at the end of his contract.

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#49 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
August 29 2013, 05:23PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

In fairness I should have highlighted the word SERIOUS, but I am too dumb to figure out fonts or bolding on this site and if I capitalize, PEOPLE THINK I AM YELLING!

And frankly I am too lazy to use the little wavy line thingamajig.

Now wait! Is this sarcasm?!?...cause Fascists don't typically care about fairness and explaining themselves....

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#50 Walter Sobchak
August 29 2013, 09:02PM
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Hall should be captain.

That is all.

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