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Lowetide
August 04 2013 01:00PM

The Edmonton Oilers will have a small window of opportunity for a skill center this fall, as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins continues his rehab from shoulder surgery. The two most likely candidates for the job are Mark Arcobello (in photo courtesy Rob Ferguson) and new hire Andrew Miller--signed during the MacTavish era. From a distance, it looks like a close race. Let's look a little closer.

THE MAN FROM YALE

Andrew Miller is a 5.10, 180 center with terrific skills and an impressive college resume. Corey Pronman from Hockey Prospectus broke down his skills when Miller was signed by the Oilers:

  • Pronman: Miller displays above-average qualities in terms of his speed, puck skills and overall offensive instincts. In his Senior season especially he showed the ability to consistently create scoring chances and keep the play flowing in the right direction.

There are some concerns from Pronman, however:

  • Pronman: The concerns I would have with Miller are firstly his physical game. He’s a 5′9′’ forward and although he does work hard, I’m not convinced he has the necessary grit and physical qualities to be anything more than replacement level in that area in the pro game. With Miller you also wonder if he has enough offensive talent, meaning if he’s dynamic or merely good, to overcome his size. I see reasonable arguments for and against him on that issue depending on which night you saw him.

Pronman's concerns about Miller's offense are strengthened when we run Miller's college numbers through Robert Vollman's new equivalency for ECAC college players. (Vollman's book is here).

ANDREW MILLER'S NHLE (USING VOLLMAN'S METRIC)

  • Age 21 82, 3-18-21
  • Age 22 82, 7-19-26
  • Age 23 82, 4-18-22
  • Age 24 82, 10-13-23

Those numbers suggest an offensive "tweener" and if they do reflect his true offensive value then Miller is unlikely to have an NHL career. However, history tells us that he'll get every chance to show what he can do during training camp and pre-season, for a couple of reasons. First, he's a new center and the club will want to see what he can do as soon as possible, and secondly Craig MacTavish signed him and believes in him.

  • MacT: “He’s not big, but he’s strong on the puck and he’s got great hockey sense. He’s a real cerebral player.”

THE MAN...ER..OTHER MAN FROM YALE

Mark Arcobello is basically the same age, but has been playing pro hockey for three seasons. In 2012-13, Arcobello had a terrific year with the OKC Barons, scoring 22-46-68 in 74 AHL games and playing in his first NHL game with the Oilers. Arcobello also impressed with 236 shots on goal (3rd in the league) and flourished with and without help from the NHL lockout players.

Arcobello's NHL equivalency from last season (I ran all the Barons forwards through Vollman's number awhile back) gives us 82, 11-23-34, or a significantly stronger offensive number than Miller's.

Also important is that MacTavish likes what Arcobello can bring and in fact signed him this summer.

  • MacT: I liked him last year, I was an advocate of giving him an opportunity, especially in our bottom six last year, but he only came up for the one game. It all boils down to your ability to make plays with the puck. When he played with Hall and Eberle in Oklahoma City this year earlier, his production was excellent. It was actually on par with Nuge. I’m not saying that he’s Nuge, but it was on par with Ryan. So I think that we’ll get him to training camp. When we signed him again to a contract I had a conversation with him and told him that he would get a look at training camp. He hasn’t played in an exhibition game or didn’t last year, so we’ll get a look and the rest will be up to him to prove to the coaching staff that he’s got enough game to warrant a bigger look as training camp goes by. I promised him that opportunity and we’re going to give it to him.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers have not supplied new coach with many depth options at center via the draft. The top end guys (Nuge, Gagner) were lottery picks, Gordon is a free agent signing and Miller/Arcobello are college men. Will Acton is an AHL veteran signed for insurance, and only Anton Lander represents the non-lottery draft group in this battle. Perhaps Travis Ewanyk can push his way into the conversation.

For the Oilers, they need a 4C and a replacement C for the Nuge as he readies himself after surgery. What does that mean? Oiler fans are going to see a lot of these Yale products in pre-season, and we should pray to Baby Jesus at least one of them can grab a job and perform well in it.

Center is not a position of great depth at this time.

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#1 Sanaa Montana
August 04 2013, 01:08PM
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#2 DSF
August 04 2013, 01:31PM
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Andrew Ebbett.

5'9" 175

U of Michigan.

Final NCAA season: 41GP 14G 28A 42P

Best AHL season: Age 23 71GP 26G 39A 65P

Best NHL season: Age 25 48GP 8G 24A 32P

Going to war with Andrew Ebbett playing in your top 6 is a recipe for disaster.

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#3 DSF
August 04 2013, 07:31PM
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OilDieHard wrote:

jeez, the Oilers can't please the critics no matter who they draft or what moves they make, can they? Nurse was an outstanding pick! and it was clear the Oil were going to get either a long sought after big, talented center in Sean Monahan, or a long sought after *potential* top pairing d-man in Darnell Nurse. and yet people still complain! unless you have multiple top 15 picks in the entry draft, you can't get all the good players you want...so the Oilers finally draft a *potential* top end d-man that this team has been long criticized for not doing, and people *STILL* complain! unreal!!

1st pairing D?

PK Subban - 2nd round 43rd overall

Kris Letang - 3rd round 62nd overall

Shea Weber - 2nd round 49th overall

Ryan Suter - 1st round 7th overall

Andrei Markov - 6th round 162nd overall

Keith Yandle - 4th round 105th overall

Dion Phaneuf - 1st round 9th overall

Brian Campbell - 6th round 156th overall

Duncan Keith 2nd round 54th overall

Slava Voynov- 2nd round 32nd overall

Francois Beauchemin - 3rd round 75th overall

Alex Pietrangelo - 1st round - 4th overall

Dan Hamhuis - 1st round 12th overall

O Ekman Larsson - 1st round 6th overall

Paul Martin - 2nd round 62nd overall

Alex Edler - 3rd round 91st overall

Drew Doughty - 1st round - 2nd overall

Brent Seabrook - 1st round 14th overall

Fedor Tyutin - 2nd round 41st overall

Zdeno Chara - 3rd round - 56ht overall

Not an exhaustive list but sufficient to indicate that you are just as likely to find a top pairing defenseman later in the draft.

I guess, if you think Nurse is a slam dunk to be in the company of Doughty, Pietrangelo and Suter, picking him in the top 10 was smart.

We'll see.

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#4 DSF
August 04 2013, 01:36PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Also Dick Cheney. He would be terrible in the top 6F. And Gilligan. Worthless.

Pretty much.

And the Oilers keep drafting defensemen and wingers.

Go figure.

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#5 DSF
August 04 2013, 05:31PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

The problem isn't drafting centers. It's drafting nhl players.

Since 2010 the following players were drafted as centers:

PITLICK MARTINDALE RNH EWANYK YAKIMOV ROY PLATZER CHASE

Getting players to play center in the NHL is hard. Drafting centers isn't.

The Oilers passed on a couple of very good centres to draft Nurse.

In other news, Jim Nill acquired 3 NHL centres in one day.

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#6 DSF
August 04 2013, 06:30PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

They "passed on" a lot of really good players at all positions if we are just talking about players taken after Nurse.

That's what we call players projected to go in the first round: "really good players."

Taking any of Horvat, Lazar and Gauthier at 7 would have been a mistake IMO. Doesn't make them any less "really good players."

Drafting a D, whose development paths are very slow and crooked, when your D prospect depth is an organizational strength and your centre depth is below AHL level, is just stupid.

Nurse may well be a very good hockey player in 3-4 years but I'd wager Horvat, Lazar, Shinkaruk and Gauthier will have an impact much sooner.

The Oilers rebuild can't wait forever...the clock is ticking toward huge contracts for a bunch of wingers.

If the Oilers are willing to trade one of the first overall picks to get a bonafide #2C, they may be able to salvage their spotty draft record.

Pitlick, Martindale, Ewanyk, Yakimov, Roy...good grief.

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#7 DSF
August 04 2013, 08:02PM
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Darrell wrote:

Ok - which of the three do you want as an Oiler? I just don't see a fit here ...

Dallas' centre depth isn't limited to those 3.

Seguin

Peverley

Horcoff

Vernon Fiddler

Cody Eakin 48GP 7G 17A 24P NHL

Radek Faksa

That's a nice group.

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#8 DSF
August 04 2013, 06:52PM
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EHH Team wrote:

So we should trade with Dallas to get Horcoff back?

Or the Oilers could trade for or sign a replacement.

Counting on an injured Hopkins, a flawed Gagner, a 4th line centre and an AHL guy who can't piss a drop in the NHL doesn't strike me as very smart.

You?

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#9 DSF
August 04 2013, 07:56PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

It's a big enough difference that MacT and everyone else, excepting you, thought it worth exploiting.

Picking D in the top 10 is risky. I don't think it is dumb. I would have picked the Russian. But today Nurse looks like a safe bet and a better one than any of those Cs and that's all you need to make the pick.

Your analogy is meaningless. Players aren't non-perishable commodities. You can never have enough good players, especially on D.

No NHL team will ever have enough D. Ever.

Time, injury, salary cap, collapse of play, free agency, etc.

Thinking you can stand pat and address other needs because you are good is stupid.

MacT took 4 centers in his first draft. I'd say the shelf stocking started a few months ago.

Listen.

I agree you can never have 2 many D.

The issue is how you acquire them and what the rest of your roster depth looks like. You can ignore that at your peril.

Vancouver, for example, is credited with having one of the best D corp in the league.

Hamhuis - free agent signing

Bieksa - 5th round pick.

Edler - 3rd round pick

Garrison - free agent signing

Tanev - free agent signing

Corrado - 5th round pick

Alberts - 6th round pick

See any top 10 picks there?

It's all well and good to start shelf stocking at C but waiting until #56 doesn't indicate much of an organizational priority..

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#10 DSF
August 04 2013, 06:49PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

"Stupid" is reaching for picks out of organizational need and sacrificing the future.

You don't go to the draft table to solve today's problems. MacT's draft philosophy: "find the player who will have the greatest impact on their team over the course of their career" is a pretty solid way of saying take the BPA.

It is never "stupid" to keep the shelves stocked. It would have been stupid to look to any of those Cs to save the C depth issues this year. Complete "cut my nose off to spite my face" stupid.

ps. How are Lander, Arcobello, Acton and Miller "below AHL level"? Is this one of your "Rajala is a failed prospect moments?"

pps. what on earth could you possibly see to "pfft" at Yakimov and Roy already? The thinness of your facade is showing.

The difference between a 7th overall pick and a 9th overall pick (Horvat) is infinitesimal.

Unless the player you are drafting is a generational talent (I doubt he is), picking a D in the top 10 is dumb.

Many of the best defensemen in the game were selected in the second round.

"Stocking the shelves" sounds good in theory but, if you keep stocking tampons while you have no aspirins in the store is ridiculous.

Solving the lack of C depth is not a question of this season or even next but the centres the Oilers have in the system are pretty much crap.

When does the team start stocking the shelves with centres?

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#11 DSF
August 04 2013, 10:04PM
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OilDieHard wrote:

you are just as likely to find a top scoring forward in the later rounds too, doncha think? and i mentioned that Nurse had the *potential* to be a top pairing, but what if he and Klefbom aren't? so what? we keep trying to draft/sign/trade for a top d-man. Nurse and Nichuskin were clearly the BPA's and the Oilers had to choose one and they did. i and many Oiler fans are happy with this pick, and i hope he can turn out to be as good as Pietrangelo or Ekman-Larson. time will tell and i think most Oil fans would agree he's worth the risk.

Not true.

Of the top 30 scoring forwards in the NHL last season, only Martin St. Louis, Chris Kunitz, Pavel Datsyuk, Mike Ribiero, Henrik Zetterburg, Derek Stepan, Matt Moulson and PA Parenteau were drafted after the first round.

In other words, 22 of the top 30 scoring forwards were first round picks.

Forwards 31-40?

Daniel Sedin 1st round

Joe Thornton 1st round

Max Pacioretty 1st round

Jiri Tlusty 1st round

Pascal Dupuis (Crosby coat tails)

Zach Parise 1st round

Sam Gagner 1st round

Logan Couture 1st round

Jordan Eberle 1st round

Mikko Koivu 1st round

Finding a point producer outside the first round is a rare occurrence (9 out of 40)

Finding a top pairing D outside the first round is closer to 50-50.

It's all well and good to be happy with the pick but when you have only two bonafide NHL centres entering a season, there IS a problem.

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August 04 2013, 02:21PM
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This is what we bought, at an unprecedented rate no less. We supported this from day 1. 5 yrs of this crap and still no end in sight.

Screw you 6 rings Lowe.

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#13 David S
August 04 2013, 01:19PM
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I don't understand the love for Arcobello. Buddy has played like one game in the bigs. We really have no idea how he'll do playing a month against the best players in the world.

Yes, yes we have NHLE's and gushing coaches but don't guys who play in the top six either have to work their way in by merit or just be plain damn good (neither which Arcobello has done/is)?

I don't see any other option right now other than Lander in the 2C and Smyth taking draws on the fourth line. Might not be ideal but RNH being out for a month means the season could be over by November if we piss away games giving key slots to guys who clearly aren't ready/qualified.

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#14 Spydyr
August 04 2013, 01:24PM
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How about getting a complete 2C and letting Gagner fill in for the Nuge until he gets back. Then move Gagner to the wing where he belongs.

You know, if you might like to make the playoffs after seven years.

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#15 David S
August 04 2013, 01:28PM
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Spydyr wrote:

How about getting a complete 2C and letting Gagner fill in for the Nuge until he gets back. Then move Gagner to the wing where he belongs.

You know, if you might like to make the playoffs after seven years.

^ THIS.

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#16 Senhor
August 04 2013, 02:41PM
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MacT does not care about fans otherwise he would do something this month to give wanna-be GMs something to talk about.

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#17 Oiler Alaa
August 04 2013, 03:41PM
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The reason MacT has not added another center is because he is tapped out on the Cap pretty much.

He was suppose to get rid of [ trade] Hemsky, but no one wants this china doll, even for a third line center.

Message to Lowe: you think you overpaid this guy?

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#18 David S
August 04 2013, 11:23PM
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#19 Oiler Alaa
August 04 2013, 03:41PM
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The reason MacT has not added another center is because he is tapped out on the Cap pretty much.

He was suppose to get rid of [ trade] Hemsky, but no one wants this china doll, even for a third line center.

Message to Lowe: you think you overpaid this guy?

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#20 Walter Sobchak
August 05 2013, 01:14AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

A rookie 18 year old 2C is not going to make or break this team. Which C should the Oilers have selected ahead of Nurse that would save this season?

A less then capable 2nd line center is going to get absolutely creamed in the Pacific division!

Look at the teams 2nd lines in the division and just imagine an AHL player or a varsity player going head to head, it’s laughable!

would it have been bad had the Oilers taken Nurse and signed Grabovski, which would have solidified the center depth?

The inability to buy out Hemsky or move him is also going to bite MacTavish in the ass.

For what it's worth.

I would have taken Horvat in a heartbeat over Nurse.

Like DSF said it’s not a reach taking Horvat at 7.

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#21 Oilcruzer
August 04 2013, 01:31PM
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#22 Larry
August 04 2013, 03:24PM
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David S wrote:

I don't understand the love for Arcobello. Buddy has played like one game in the bigs. We really have no idea how he'll do playing a month against the best players in the world.

Yes, yes we have NHLE's and gushing coaches but don't guys who play in the top six either have to work their way in by merit or just be plain damn good (neither which Arcobello has done/is)?

I don't see any other option right now other than Lander in the 2C and Smyth taking draws on the fourth line. Might not be ideal but RNH being out for a month means the season could be over by November if we piss away games giving key slots to guys who clearly aren't ready/qualified.

Your high

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#23 Walter Sobchak
August 04 2013, 09:06PM
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Let me get this right.

For the first three years the defense was the issue, we went to camp with players like Barker,Foster,Belle,Chorney,Vandermeer,Petiot, Strundwick,Plante,Peckham,Teubert,Fistric,Potter even Whitney.

Everyone wrote and commented what a bad job Tambellini did getting quality defensmen in when it was a major weekness.

Fast forward to the present and now people are Ok with MacTavish coming to camp with 3 defensmen who have never played in the NHL and one that was cast away only to be brought back by MacTavish cause he seen him good once...correct.

Everyone commented and wondered outloud why Tambellini never acted on his centre postion when the Oilers centers went down?

Fast forward to the now again, Everyone seem's ok with MacTavish coming to camp with 2 NHL ready centers and 4 defensmen who have never played in the NHL?? In arguable the hardest, strongest, deepest division. Are we actually ok with players like Miller, Arcobello and Lander stepping in even for a month??

With 10 out of 14 games on the road, the Oilers are going to sit dead last when the team hits November.

That's whithout a capable 3rd and 4th line.

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#24 TLHansum
August 04 2013, 11:09PM
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Not often i agree with DSF, so when i do, i gotta say something.

Unless you're Absolutely SURE that the D you're picking in the first round is gonna be a top pairing defense man (and i don't know how you could be), you should always be picking a forward in the first round. Almost no exceptions. I mean, Cam Fowler at 12th overall is an exception.

Then pick defense men that can skate in the second round. They don't have to have major points, but awareness, passing, and (not necessarily, but as a bonus) meanness.

I don't hate the Nurse pick, but i was hoping for Nuchiskin. I was quite upset that we passed on him. We'll know in 3 years if we made the wrong call. By then Nuch will have played enough we'll know how legit he is, and Nurse will be playing in the NHL or 'developing'... which means for a top 10 pick, he's behind.

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#25 Sanaa Montana
August 04 2013, 01:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Im excited to have my comment trash-ed for the fist time.!..

Who the #@$% is the fynny guy propin' my comment?!

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#26 David S
August 04 2013, 04:48PM
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Hmmm...apparently replacing a 2LC in the NHL isn't nearly as hard as I figured. From some of the comments here, the position is over-rated and just about any C with decent numbers from the minors should fit in fine. Actual NHL qualifications are obviously not that big a deal. Plug and play it seems.

My bad. Winning would seem to be over-rated here as well.

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#27 Spydyr
August 04 2013, 01:33PM
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DSF wrote:

Andrew Ebbett.

5'9" 175

U of Michigan.

Final NCAA season: 41GP 14G 28A 42P

Best AHL season: Age 23 71GP 26G 39A 65P

Best NHL season: Age 25 48GP 8G 24A 32P

Going to war with Andrew Ebbett playing in your top 6 is a recipe for disaster.

5'9" 175

Is he blue too?

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#28 John Chambers
August 04 2013, 02:13PM
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You guys pray to baby Jesus, or full-grown Jesus, or bearded Jesus for depth at Centre, and I'll do the same with Allah. With matters this important it's imperative we have our bases covered.

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#29 David S
August 04 2013, 04:49PM
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@David S

And yes, that comes off like a dickish post.

But c'mon guys. Freakin' Arcobello as a plug and play 2LC in the NHL?

Am I missing something? Really?

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#32 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 07:31PM
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Darrell wrote:

Horrcoff, Segin and Peverley ? I don't think we missed much but look forward to playing Dallas to see how it plays out ....

Don't be a reverse DSF.

Those are three very solid Cs (of course Sequin still has to prove himself, but regardless he is an exceptional talent). Dallas is much better for Nil's efforts.

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#33 DSF
August 05 2013, 11:32AM
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Joy S. Lee wrote:

What was the difference between the 4 & 5 pick in this years' entry draft? Infinitely infinitesimal?

And, yet, some might say the difference between picking either Seth Jones or Elias Lindholm may have been significant, and that 30 out of 30 teams would have chosen Jones in the 4 slot, leaving Lindholm for 5th. For such an "infinitesimal" difference, it's a definite result.

(By the way, Seth Jones is a defenseman, too. Did Nashville screw up as well?)

I understand what you are saying about the need to improve the team at that key position, and you'd be right, but your argument that picks that close together are equal is hardly convincing, especially in the top round of the draft.

Besides, each team does their research, and has their reasons for wanting certain players. I believe the Oilers reasoning was very sound in picking Nurse. You don't. But it's they who have the choice, and they chose Nurse. Get on with it, already, you're condemning something that you won't have any data for for months, and no real proof for years. How long do you want to debate something like this before the debate is even started?

If you refer to my original point, I suggested drafting a D in the top 10 was a bad idea unless you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN he will be an impact top pairing D.

From what I've read, Seth Jones meets that criteria while Nurse and Ristolainen don't.

While it certainly could happen, there is ample evidence picking a forward in the top 10 is a much, much better bet.

Having said that, I think Nashville did the right thing not "screw up".

For the record, I don't think the Oilers screwed up either but, given the organizational lack of depth at centre, I really think you have consider the chances of Nurse or, say, Bo Horvat, having more impact on the Oilers over the next decade.

Considering they already had Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Simpson and Musil (among others) already in the system, I think "drafting for need" in this case would have been the smart thing to do since the perceived difference between Nurse's and Horvat's potential is not that great.

My draft philosophy has always been, if its even close, draft the centre first, a D second and a winger third.

My thinking there is based on how difficult it is to obtain impact centres.

Here's a scouting report on Horvat...let me know if you don't think he's EXACTLY what the Oilers need.

"Strengths - You can make a very strong case that Bo Horvat is the most complete player in this year’s draft class. He does so many things well and can make a positive impact in so many different ways that he amazes me almost every time I see him.

Horvat is an extremely reliable two-way player, who is among the best in the OHL when it comes to winning faceoffs. His attention to detail, especially in his own zone, is second to none. He’s rarely caught out of position and is used in every defensive situation by Knights head coach, Dale Hunter.

Horvat isn’t just a defensive specialist, though. He’s a good skater, knows how to drive possession and possesses above average puck skills. He sees the ice well, has a very high hockey IQ and always knows where he needs to be on the ice. Horvat has a hard, accurate shot and is a good passer as well.

Horvat leaves everything he has on the ice every shift and is very rarely outworked. He’s very strong on the puck and wins a ton of battles along the boards. He’ll finish his checks and isn’t afraid to be physical, but he always keeps a calm demeanour no matter what happens. Horvat doesn’t take many penalties or retaliate to the opposition when they attempt to get under his skin, which you don’t find often in a young player who plays the way he does.

He’s not afraid to go to the dirty areas, he’ll block shots and is the definition of a team first guy. Horvat will do whatever it takes to win and has outstanding leadership qualities. He most certainly has potential to take on a leadership role in the NHL down the road.

Weaknesses - While he’s a good skater, he would benefit from a little more explosiveness in his stride. He isn’t really dynamic offensively, but given he has offensive ability and is above average in so many aspects of the game, that shouldn’t hinder him at all. Horvat isn’t afraid to use his body and will finish checks, but I’d like to see a little more edge in his game, too.

Career Projection - Horvat’s an exceptional two-way player with high end leadership qualities, so there’s nothing stopping him from having a lot of success in the NHL. He has the upside to be a top-line center but the safe projection is probably an above average second line center."

"When Horvat was selected, Ray Ferraro and Bob McKenzie immediately pointed out that scouts compared him to Ryan O’Reilly and Patrice Bergeron. It is, of course, brutally unfair to compare an 18-year-old prospect to two of the better two-way forwards in the NHL and arguably the best in Bergeron, but no one ever said hockey was fair."

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#34 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
August 04 2013, 11:47PM
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LT, when they invented the very first clock. How did they know what time to set it to?

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#35 I am the Liquor
August 05 2013, 10:51AM
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DSF wrote:

1st pairing D?

PK Subban - 2nd round 43rd overall

Kris Letang - 3rd round 62nd overall

Shea Weber - 2nd round 49th overall

Ryan Suter - 1st round 7th overall

Andrei Markov - 6th round 162nd overall

Keith Yandle - 4th round 105th overall

Dion Phaneuf - 1st round 9th overall

Brian Campbell - 6th round 156th overall

Duncan Keith 2nd round 54th overall

Slava Voynov- 2nd round 32nd overall

Francois Beauchemin - 3rd round 75th overall

Alex Pietrangelo - 1st round - 4th overall

Dan Hamhuis - 1st round 12th overall

O Ekman Larsson - 1st round 6th overall

Paul Martin - 2nd round 62nd overall

Alex Edler - 3rd round 91st overall

Drew Doughty - 1st round - 2nd overall

Brent Seabrook - 1st round 14th overall

Fedor Tyutin - 2nd round 41st overall

Zdeno Chara - 3rd round - 56ht overall

Not an exhaustive list but sufficient to indicate that you are just as likely to find a top pairing defenseman later in the draft.

I guess, if you think Nurse is a slam dunk to be in the company of Doughty, Pietrangelo and Suter, picking him in the top 10 was smart.

We'll see.

What an insufferable jackass you are.

If they Oilers had picked a forward you would be on here going on and on about how poor their defense is and how stupid they were to take another forward with their top pick.

Predictably predictable.

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#36 TayLordBalls
August 04 2013, 03:02PM
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it's amazing that there is no one better in the system (yet).

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#37 RexLibris
August 04 2013, 05:23PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Hahaha. I call Mary Ann!

Rats. Missed it by this much...

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#38 bankshot
August 04 2013, 05:57PM
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I have been hoping for a trade to get a quality third line centre that could move up to second line duties at times. A trade of Hemsky to Nashville for Legwand would do just fine. Both players have a year to go on their contracts. $500,000 apart. Nashville gets an ofensive threat, Oilers get a veteran centre with grit.

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#39 K_Mart
August 05 2013, 08:27AM
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DSF wrote:

Not true.

Of the top 30 scoring forwards in the NHL last season, only Martin St. Louis, Chris Kunitz, Pavel Datsyuk, Mike Ribiero, Henrik Zetterburg, Derek Stepan, Matt Moulson and PA Parenteau were drafted after the first round.

In other words, 22 of the top 30 scoring forwards were first round picks.

Forwards 31-40?

Daniel Sedin 1st round

Joe Thornton 1st round

Max Pacioretty 1st round

Jiri Tlusty 1st round

Pascal Dupuis (Crosby coat tails)

Zach Parise 1st round

Sam Gagner 1st round

Logan Couture 1st round

Jordan Eberle 1st round

Mikko Koivu 1st round

Finding a point producer outside the first round is a rare occurrence (9 out of 40)

Finding a top pairing D outside the first round is closer to 50-50.

It's all well and good to be happy with the pick but when you have only two bonafide NHL centres entering a season, there IS a problem.

This.

Although I don't see this lasting. Teams seem to always be increasing their scouting staff and I'd like to believe that fewer and fewer top pairing D slip passed the first round in future drafts.

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#40 DSF
August 05 2013, 12:03PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

I agree that the Oilers need another C. I also think its laughable to think had we drafted one instead of Nurse that he would automatically be an upgrade over Lander et al (for this year).

Who was suggesting the Oilers needed to draft a centre who would have an impact for this year?

The issue is the Oilers don't have any centres of real value in the system and trading down to draft one at #56 hardly addressees that issue since the chances of Marc Olivier Roy becoming an impact centre in the NHL are exceedingly small.

Drafting another wild card C at #83 won't solve the issue either.

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#41 Mike Krushelnyski
August 04 2013, 02:54PM
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Does anyone have a good explanation as to why we haven't signed David Steckel? Anyone?

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#42 TayLordBalls
August 04 2013, 04:46PM
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@Spydyr

do you mean 'onto the top six'?

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#43 RexLibris
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John Chambers wrote:

You guys pray to baby Jesus, or full-grown Jesus, or bearded Jesus for depth at Centre, and I'll do the same with Allah. With matters this important it's imperative we have our bases covered.

What about Buddy Christ? Always liked him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FigprdcBGA

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#44 Darrell
August 04 2013, 07:38PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Don't be a reverse DSF.

Those are three very solid Cs (of course Sequin still has to prove himself, but regardless he is an exceptional talent). Dallas is much better for Nil's efforts.

Ok - which of the three do you want as an Oiler? I just don't see a fit here ...

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#45 Eddie Shore
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A rookie 18 year old 2C is not going to make or break this team. Which C should the Oilers have selected ahead of Nurse that would save this season?

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#46 Spydyr
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Lowetide wrote:

Also Dick Cheney. He would be terrible in the top 6F. And Gilligan. Worthless.

The skipper has some size..... Slow feet though.

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#47 Ari Gold
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I'd prefer any of Horcs/Seguin/Peverley over Arcobello/Miller. Oilers desperately need a real center.

I like Grabovski, move Gags to the wing if you need to when Nuge comes back. Dump Hemsky, dump Schultz Sr. Free up the cap room. It CAN be done. I simply wouldn't sign Grabo for anything longer than a 3 year deal.

He's skilled, can play in the corners and is plain nutz! Did anyone watch him in the Boston series? Kid deserves a shot at a real role.

This team needs to realize that great teams have excellent depth at centre. Even when Nuge returns, the team is WEAK at centre.

I know we're all dreaming of a Franchise Dman. If Pietrangelo isn't available, or if we can't trade Shea Weber for Omark, it just isn't going to be possible. Lets move on to another position. GET A REAL CENTRE!!!

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#48 Rocket
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@Walter Sobchak

Yeah fair enough, I like Nurse as well. Another Peca on The Oilers would be super gnarly too.

My only concern with Nichushkin is that we all thought Paajarvi would be a world beater too & we all know how that turned out so I'm a little nervous when people talk about Nichushkin like he's a sure thing.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong and he lights it up but I'm reserving judgement for a while still.

BTW I think Nuge was better than Gagner in his rookie year by my eye but maybe advanced stats have it the other way.

Between Horvat & Monahan I think The Flames & Canucks are drafting quality prospects though.

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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why we haven't signed David Steckel? Anyone?

Maybe $$$ he wants? Otherwise, I have the same question. Even his accidental hits take guys out. Right, Sid?

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#50 OilDieHard
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DSF wrote:

1st pairing D?

PK Subban - 2nd round 43rd overall

Kris Letang - 3rd round 62nd overall

Shea Weber - 2nd round 49th overall

Ryan Suter - 1st round 7th overall

Andrei Markov - 6th round 162nd overall

Keith Yandle - 4th round 105th overall

Dion Phaneuf - 1st round 9th overall

Brian Campbell - 6th round 156th overall

Duncan Keith 2nd round 54th overall

Slava Voynov- 2nd round 32nd overall

Francois Beauchemin - 3rd round 75th overall

Alex Pietrangelo - 1st round - 4th overall

Dan Hamhuis - 1st round 12th overall

O Ekman Larsson - 1st round 6th overall

Paul Martin - 2nd round 62nd overall

Alex Edler - 3rd round 91st overall

Drew Doughty - 1st round - 2nd overall

Brent Seabrook - 1st round 14th overall

Fedor Tyutin - 2nd round 41st overall

Zdeno Chara - 3rd round - 56ht overall

Not an exhaustive list but sufficient to indicate that you are just as likely to find a top pairing defenseman later in the draft.

I guess, if you think Nurse is a slam dunk to be in the company of Doughty, Pietrangelo and Suter, picking him in the top 10 was smart.

We'll see.

you are just as likely to find a top scoring forward in the later rounds too, doncha think? and i mentioned that Nurse had the *potential* to be a top pairing, but what if he and Klefbom aren't? so what? we keep trying to draft/sign/trade for a top d-man. Nurse and Nichuskin were clearly the BPA's and the Oilers had to choose one and they did. i and many Oiler fans are happy with this pick, and i hope he can turn out to be as good as Pietrangelo or Ekman-Larson. time will tell and i think most Oil fans would agree he's worth the risk.

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