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Lowetide
August 04 2013 01:00PM

The Edmonton Oilers will have a small window of opportunity for a skill center this fall, as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins continues his rehab from shoulder surgery. The two most likely candidates for the job are Mark Arcobello (in photo courtesy Rob Ferguson) and new hire Andrew Miller--signed during the MacTavish era. From a distance, it looks like a close race. Let's look a little closer.

THE MAN FROM YALE

Andrew Miller is a 5.10, 180 center with terrific skills and an impressive college resume. Corey Pronman from Hockey Prospectus broke down his skills when Miller was signed by the Oilers:

  • Pronman: Miller displays above-average qualities in terms of his speed, puck skills and overall offensive instincts. In his Senior season especially he showed the ability to consistently create scoring chances and keep the play flowing in the right direction.

There are some concerns from Pronman, however:

  • Pronman: The concerns I would have with Miller are firstly his physical game. He’s a 5′9′’ forward and although he does work hard, I’m not convinced he has the necessary grit and physical qualities to be anything more than replacement level in that area in the pro game. With Miller you also wonder if he has enough offensive talent, meaning if he’s dynamic or merely good, to overcome his size. I see reasonable arguments for and against him on that issue depending on which night you saw him.

Pronman's concerns about Miller's offense are strengthened when we run Miller's college numbers through Robert Vollman's new equivalency for ECAC college players. (Vollman's book is here).

ANDREW MILLER'S NHLE (USING VOLLMAN'S METRIC)

  • Age 21 82, 3-18-21
  • Age 22 82, 7-19-26
  • Age 23 82, 4-18-22
  • Age 24 82, 10-13-23

Those numbers suggest an offensive "tweener" and if they do reflect his true offensive value then Miller is unlikely to have an NHL career. However, history tells us that he'll get every chance to show what he can do during training camp and pre-season, for a couple of reasons. First, he's a new center and the club will want to see what he can do as soon as possible, and secondly Craig MacTavish signed him and believes in him.

  • MacT: “He’s not big, but he’s strong on the puck and he’s got great hockey sense. He’s a real cerebral player.”

THE MAN...ER..OTHER MAN FROM YALE

Mark Arcobello is basically the same age, but has been playing pro hockey for three seasons. In 2012-13, Arcobello had a terrific year with the OKC Barons, scoring 22-46-68 in 74 AHL games and playing in his first NHL game with the Oilers. Arcobello also impressed with 236 shots on goal (3rd in the league) and flourished with and without help from the NHL lockout players.

Arcobello's NHL equivalency from last season (I ran all the Barons forwards through Vollman's number awhile back) gives us 82, 11-23-34, or a significantly stronger offensive number than Miller's.

Also important is that MacTavish likes what Arcobello can bring and in fact signed him this summer.

  • MacT: I liked him last year, I was an advocate of giving him an opportunity, especially in our bottom six last year, but he only came up for the one game. It all boils down to your ability to make plays with the puck. When he played with Hall and Eberle in Oklahoma City this year earlier, his production was excellent. It was actually on par with Nuge. I’m not saying that he’s Nuge, but it was on par with Ryan. So I think that we’ll get him to training camp. When we signed him again to a contract I had a conversation with him and told him that he would get a look at training camp. He hasn’t played in an exhibition game or didn’t last year, so we’ll get a look and the rest will be up to him to prove to the coaching staff that he’s got enough game to warrant a bigger look as training camp goes by. I promised him that opportunity and we’re going to give it to him.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers have not supplied new coach with many depth options at center via the draft. The top end guys (Nuge, Gagner) were lottery picks, Gordon is a free agent signing and Miller/Arcobello are college men. Will Acton is an AHL veteran signed for insurance, and only Anton Lander represents the non-lottery draft group in this battle. Perhaps Travis Ewanyk can push his way into the conversation.

For the Oilers, they need a 4C and a replacement C for the Nuge as he readies himself after surgery. What does that mean? Oiler fans are going to see a lot of these Yale products in pre-season, and we should pray to Baby Jesus at least one of them can grab a job and perform well in it.

Center is not a position of great depth at this time.

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#51 Dog Train
August 04 2013, 10:34PM
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The centre position is the real elephant in the room right now. We are deep on D and in goal and have some intriguing players in the mix for the bottom six winger spots. We don't match up well down the middle with any of the contenders in our division even with the Nuge healthy. Hopefully one of Arco or Miller can seize the day.

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#52 Walter Sobchak
August 05 2013, 02:31AM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't completely disagree with you but would a rookie Horvat vs. Thornton, etc. be better than Lander? Or Arcobello? Maybe but I doubt it. The Oilers have relied too much on super skilled rookies lately.

Even Nichushkin would barely help in that area.

You're right though, signing Grabo and moves by MacT would help. So many hole to fill, so little time.

BTW I like Horvat, but I'll wait to pass judgement until I see him play against the rest of the pacific division.

I think Horvat head to head vs Miller or Arcobello would be close.

Lander would have a step up of course, but still so far away from quality of the other teams.

I dont care if they are rookies, RNH was almost better then Gagner and better offensively then Horcoff when he entered the league.

Not saying Horvat is RNH but Horvat projects to be a Peca 2.0, I wouldnt mind that one bit.

As far as Nurse, I still think the big russian will be the better player, but I'm not upset we took Nurse.

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#53 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 08:07PM
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Darrell wrote:

Ok - which of the three do you want as an Oiler? I just don't see a fit here ...

I'd be happy with any of them as an Oiler under other circumstances. As it is, Peverley would be a fine fit as the 4C.

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#54 gongshow
August 05 2013, 08:56AM
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How about for 4C adding an actual NHL center with size that can win important draws and kill penalties for cheap? Marty Reasoner is still an available UFA and at this point in the offseason you could probably add him for pretty cheap. This would allow RNH sufficient healing time so that he isn't rushed back and you have a veteran who could mentor a bunch of these kids on faceoffs and Dzone play.

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#55 Yakman
August 05 2013, 11:08AM
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Is it possible the trash it feature is making DSF raise his game?

I think Arcobello will have a good chance to keep the 1c spot warm for Nuge based on previously established chemistry with Hall and Eberle... give them butter soft zone starts and it could work out well enough... he strikes me as the type that could have a hot streak a la Scott Fraser... not a realistic long term option but could do some damage in a limited viewing...

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#56 judgedrude
August 04 2013, 03:45PM
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It's been a year now since I saw Arcobello play against the Marlies in the playoffs, but every time something good happened, he was on the ice tilting it in favour of the Barons. Much more so than PRV, who had many a "soft wrister from the top of the circle" to kill the play.

I saw him good and think he should be able to grab the 2C slot while Nuge waits to become the next 6 Million Dollar Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoLs0V8T5AA

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#57 Spydyr
August 04 2013, 04:08PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Hahaha. I call Mary Ann!

Good call.She is small and skilled (one can dream) so she would fit into the top 6.

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#58 Wax Man Riley
August 04 2013, 04:48PM
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Larry wrote:

Your high

His high? Or my high?

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#59 John Chambers
August 04 2013, 05:14PM
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@David S

Hey Dave,

This is the most depth we've had since '06 ... Except at centre. I mean, how bad could it be?

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 05:20PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why we haven't signed David Steckel? Anyone?

Somehow all 30 teams have missed out on him so far.

I think part of it is simply the way the market works once the frenzy dies down.

People go on vacation and forget about it.

I gather his agent's phone picks up around TC.

Oh...and he'd be a great 4C for the Oil.

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#61 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 06:00PM
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DSF wrote:

The Oilers passed on a couple of very good centres to draft Nurse.

In other news, Jim Nill acquired 3 NHL centres in one day.

They "passed on" a lot of really good players at all positions if we are just talking about players taken after Nurse.

That's what we call players projected to go in the first round: "really good players."

Taking any of Horvat, Lazar and Gauthier at 7 would have been a mistake IMO. Doesn't make them any less "really good players."

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#62 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 06:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Drafting a D, whose development paths are very slow and crooked, when your D prospect depth is an organizational strength and your centre depth is below AHL level, is just stupid.

Nurse may well be a very good hockey player in 3-4 years but I'd wager Horvat, Lazar, Shinkaruk and Gauthier will have an impact much sooner.

The Oilers rebuild can't wait forever...the clock is ticking toward huge contracts for a bunch of wingers.

If the Oilers are willing to trade one of the first overall picks to get a bonafide #2C, they may be able to salvage their spotty draft record.

Pitlick, Martindale, Ewanyk, Yakimov, Roy...good grief.

"Stupid" is reaching for picks out of organizational need and sacrificing the future.

You don't go to the draft table to solve today's problems. MacT's draft philosophy: "find the player who will have the greatest impact on their team over the course of their career" is a pretty solid way of saying take the BPA.

It is never "stupid" to keep the shelves stocked. It would have been stupid to look to any of those Cs to save the C depth issues this year. Complete "cut my nose off to spite my face" stupid.

ps. How are Lander, Arcobello, Acton and Miller "below AHL level"? Is this one of your "Rajala is a failed prospect moments?"

pps. what on earth could you possibly see to "pfft" at Yakimov and Roy already? The thinness of your facade is showing.

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#63 EHH Team
August 04 2013, 06:47PM
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DSF wrote:

The Oilers passed on a couple of very good centres to draft Nurse.

In other news, Jim Nill acquired 3 NHL centres in one day.

So we should trade with Dallas to get Horcoff back?

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#64 OilDieHard
August 04 2013, 07:03PM
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DSF wrote:

The Oilers passed on a couple of very good centres to draft Nurse.

In other news, Jim Nill acquired 3 NHL centres in one day.

jeez, the Oilers can't please the critics no matter who they draft or what moves they make, can they? Nurse was an outstanding pick! and it was clear the Oil were going to get either a long sought after big, talented center in Sean Monahan, or a long sought after *potential* top pairing d-man in Darnell Nurse. and yet people still complain! unless you have multiple top 15 picks in the entry draft, you can't get all the good players you want...so the Oilers finally draft a *potential* top end d-man that this team has been long criticized for not doing, and people *STILL* complain! unreal!!

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#65 Hammers
August 04 2013, 07:08PM
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Arcobello might fit as a 4th line RW/C if they deem extra centers are needed .Obviously Sept/ Oct maybe the most important month of his career.

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#66 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 08:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Listen.

I agree you can never have 2 many D.

The issue is how you acquire them and what the rest of your roster depth looks like. You can ignore that at your peril.

Vancouver, for example, is credited with having one of the best D corp in the league.

Hamhuis - free agent signing

Bieksa - 5th round pick.

Edler - 3rd round pick

Garrison - free agent signing

Tanev - free agent signing

Corrado - 5th round pick

Alberts - 6th round pick

See any top 10 picks there?

It's all well and good to start shelf stocking at C but waiting until #56 doesn't indicate much of an organizational priority..

Well, they took RNH at 1. I'd say that was a priority. Gagner at 6th.

56th was their second pick in the draft. by definition that's priority compared to the picks of the day. (though I highly doubt Roy ever plays C if he makes it to the NHL).

Besides, drafts don't work that way. You pick based on who's available.

We all know they wanted Monahan very bad. he was gone.

Last year, they really wanted Samuelson. he was gone.

------ Lots of good players come out of other rounds. But re-drafts aren't drafts.

Like I said, I'd have taken the Russian. I don't prefer D in the top 10. But I don't think they take a center at 7 unless it is Monahan or Lindholm. I don't either.

I prefer Nurse to all those other Cs. But I prefer the Russian above all of them.

We'll know in five years or so. With any luck they'll all have great careers and give us something to enjoy watching.

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#67 Naky
August 04 2013, 10:03PM
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I think the only reason why they didn't pick Nichuskin is because he bailed on the bike. Just flat out quit. That turned a lot of teams off and sent a lot of warning bells. The Oilers made the right choice choosing the kid who obviously values hard work above all over the Russian who quit when the going got tough. One might have more of an immediate impact than the other, but at least we'll never have to worry about a potential poison in the dressing room with Nurse.

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#68 Eddie Shore
August 05 2013, 11:51AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

A less then capable 2nd line center is going to get absolutely creamed in the Pacific division!

Look at the teams 2nd lines in the division and just imagine an AHL player or a varsity player going head to head, it’s laughable!

would it have been bad had the Oilers taken Nurse and signed Grabovski, which would have solidified the center depth?

The inability to buy out Hemsky or move him is also going to bite MacTavish in the ass.

For what it's worth.

I would have taken Horvat in a heartbeat over Nurse.

Like DSF said it’s not a reach taking Horvat at 7.

I agree that the Oilers need another C. I also think its laughable to think had we drafted one instead of Nurse that he would automatically be an upgrade over Lander et al (for this year).

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#70 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 05:13PM
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DSF wrote:

Pretty much.

And the Oilers keep drafting defensemen and wingers.

Go figure.

The problem isn't drafting centers. It's drafting nhl players.

Since 2010 the following players were drafted as centers:

PITLICK MARTINDALE RNH EWANYK YAKIMOV ROY PLATZER CHASE

Getting players to play center in the NHL is hard. Drafting centers isn't.

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#71 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 05:17PM
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David S wrote:

And yes, that comes off like a dickish post.

But c'mon guys. Freakin' Arcobello as a plug and play 2LC in the NHL?

Am I missing something? Really?

I don't know about dickish.

"Plug and play" is a red herring. No one sensible is suggesting he's ready to walk into a 2C job.

They are saying he's shown very, very well in a very good league at the age when prospects start to really cook.

The only reason the 2C job is being debated is injury related. In an ordinary situation he'd be a call-up, 13th/14th F, C/RW option hoping to find a spot.

No need to rag on the player. He's shown very well so far. It's a good story and a good player to have in the system.

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#72 Casey
August 04 2013, 05:31PM
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David S wrote:

I don't understand the love for Arcobello. Buddy has played like one game in the bigs. We really have no idea how he'll do playing a month against the best players in the world.

Yes, yes we have NHLE's and gushing coaches but don't guys who play in the top six either have to work their way in by merit or just be plain damn good (neither which Arcobello has done/is)?

I don't see any other option right now other than Lander in the 2C and Smyth taking draws on the fourth line. Might not be ideal but RNH being out for a month means the season could be over by November if we piss away games giving key slots to guys who clearly aren't ready/qualified.

Well Andrew Miller hasn't ever played pro hockey. Also if he played one game in the NHL who says he can't get better every game he plays?

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#73 voom04
August 04 2013, 05:56PM
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Wonder how many players started there career by getting an opportunity due to injuries?

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#74 steelymac
August 04 2013, 06:10PM
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Great articles through the dead times and thanks for that.Perhaps a one one one with Nuge and his rehab would be awsome.

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#75 K_Mart
August 04 2013, 10:34PM
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Grabo seems like a good choice to me. But he'd have to know he'd be the #2 C until Nuge comes back, after that it'll be up to him to battle with Gags for the #2 C spot. No freebies. If he expected the #2 C spot to just be handed to him, I wouldn't sign him.

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#76 Rocket
August 05 2013, 02:19AM
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@Walter Sobchak

I don't completely disagree with you but would a rookie Horvat vs. Thornton, etc. be better than Lander? Or Arcobello? Maybe but I doubt it. The Oilers have relied too much on super skilled rookies lately.

Even Nichushkin would barely help in that area.

You're right though, signing Grabo and moves by MacT would help. So many hole to fill, so little time.

BTW I like Horvat, but I'll wait to pass judgement until I see him play against the rest of the pacific division.

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#77 Hags9k
August 05 2013, 07:03AM
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Our center depth chart looks worlds better as soon as Nuge is healthy but more importantly when he settles into the league and becomes a star. As much as Hall is a beast and our best player, this team won't click into gear until the Nuge truly "arrives". Once Nuge takes flight, so will the Oil.

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#78 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 04 2013, 07:19PM
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DSF wrote:

The difference between a 7th overall pick and a 9th overall pick (Horvat) is infinitesimal.

Unless the player you are drafting is a generational talent (I doubt he is), picking a D in the top 10 is dumb.

Many of the best defensemen in the game were selected in the second round.

"Stocking the shelves" sounds good in theory but, if you keep stocking tampons while you have no aspirins in the store is ridiculous.

Solving the lack of C depth is not a question of this season or even next but the centres the Oilers have in the system are pretty much crap.

When does the team start stocking the shelves with centres?

It's a big enough difference that MacT and everyone else, excepting you, thought it worth exploiting.

Picking D in the top 10 is risky. I don't think it is dumb. I would have picked the Russian. But today Nurse looks like a safe bet and a better one than any of those Cs and that's all you need to make the pick.

Your analogy is meaningless. Players aren't non-perishable commodities. You can never have enough good players, especially on D.

No NHL team will ever have enough D. Ever.

Time, injury, salary cap, collapse of play, free agency, etc.

Thinking you can stand pat and address other needs because you are good is stupid.

MacT took 4 centers in his first draft. I'd say the shelf stocking started a few months ago.

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#79 OilDieHard
August 04 2013, 07:23PM
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DSF wrote:

The difference between a 7th overall pick and a 9th overall pick (Horvat) is infinitesimal.

Unless the player you are drafting is a generational talent (I doubt he is), picking a D in the top 10 is dumb.

Many of the best defensemen in the game were selected in the second round.

"Stocking the shelves" sounds good in theory but, if you keep stocking tampons while you have no aspirins in the store is ridiculous.

Solving the lack of C depth is not a question of this season or even next but the centres the Oilers have in the system are pretty much crap.

When does the team start stocking the shelves with centres?

i really wish i could understand the way you see things...the pro scouts had Nurse in the top 10 as well as Ristolainen, and yet picking a d-man in the top 10 is *dumb*? and many of the best d-men were selected in the 2nd round? really? the Oilers would be better off taking another forward in the top 10 and settle for d-men like Ian McCoshen or Chris Bigras instead? hate to say it, but after Bigras, the 2nd round defensive talent falls off. i'm glad the Oilers took a chance on Nurse, but i would have been equally as happy if they had taken Nishushkin or Horvat or Ristolainen.

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#80 Darrell
August 04 2013, 07:27PM
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DSF wrote:

The Oilers passed on a couple of very good centres to draft Nurse.

In other news, Jim Nill acquired 3 NHL centres in one day.

Horrcoff, Segin and Peverley ? I don't think we missed much but look forward to playing Dallas to see how it plays out ....

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#81 RyanCoke
August 05 2013, 06:51AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

LT, when they invented the very first clock. How did they know what time to set it to?

The first clocks were self setting. Sun dials told the time based on the position of the sun

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#82 Joy S. Lee
August 05 2013, 11:12AM
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DSF wrote:

The difference between a 7th overall pick and a 9th overall pick (Horvat) is infinitesimal.

Unless the player you are drafting is a generational talent (I doubt he is), picking a D in the top 10 is dumb.

Many of the best defensemen in the game were selected in the second round.

"Stocking the shelves" sounds good in theory but, if you keep stocking tampons while you have no aspirins in the store is ridiculous.

Solving the lack of C depth is not a question of this season or even next but the centres the Oilers have in the system are pretty much crap.

When does the team start stocking the shelves with centres?

What was the difference between the 4 & 5 pick in this years' entry draft? Infinitely infinitesimal?

And, yet, some might say the difference between picking either Seth Jones or Elias Lindholm may have been significant, and that 30 out of 30 teams would have chosen Jones in the 4 slot, leaving Lindholm for 5th. For such an "infinitesimal" difference, it's a definite result.

(By the way, Seth Jones is a defenseman, too. Did Nashville screw up as well?)

I understand what you are saying about the need to improve the team at that key position, and you'd be right, but your argument that picks that close together are equal is hardly convincing, especially in the top round of the draft.

Besides, each team does their research, and has their reasons for wanting certain players. I believe the Oilers reasoning was very sound in picking Nurse. You don't. But it's they who have the choice, and they chose Nurse. Get on with it, already, you're condemning something that you won't have any data for for months, and no real proof for years. How long do you want to debate something like this before the debate is even started?

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#83 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 05 2013, 01:10PM
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hags9k wrote:

1. I agree unfortunately with DSF that it is riskier to take the D over the F that high, and this should not become regular practice.

However, I think Nurse will cover the bet. No way I would trade him for either Horvat or the Russian right now. If the Russian pots 20+ this year in big D then the pressure mounts but I think Nurse is going to be gold.

2. I agree with you that you take the consensus D instead of reaching a bit for a C because of need. BPA wins over time. But in this case the gap to Horvat from the C group above(Lindholm, Monahan, Barkov) was enough that Nurse was the best option.

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Don't give DSF that much credit.

Everyone knows it is riskier to pick D high. MacT said as much.

MacT rolled the dice on Nurse. The Russian would have been a safer bet. Both are much safer today than the Cs available.

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#84 EHH Team
August 06 2013, 07:39AM
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@Yakman

Is it possible the trash it feature is making DSF raise his game?

No

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#85 Romulus' Apotheosis
August 05 2013, 08:18AM
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There are two debates here. We should be clear about them.

1. Taking a D in the top 10 vs. a consensus top billing forward.

2. Taking a C in the top 10, who is not a consensus top billing forward vs. taking a D who is.

1. It is IMO certainly riskier to take the D over the generic top billing forward. I would have taken the forward, i.e., the Russian. D take longer and have more pot-holes along the way.

But MacT laid out a clear philosophy for drafting and he said on day one he was willing to expose himself to risk. I can understand and support that even if I part ways with it somewhat.

2. It is much riskier to leap to take a non-top billing forward in the top 10, than it is to take a top-billing D in the top 10.

Horvat was #13 on both McKenzie and Zona's consensus lists. If we divide by 1.5 (to approx. a walkabout threshold) taking him 9th and up would be marginally safe. Taking him 8th and below would be a walkabout.

MacT put an end to the walkabout era of chasing shadows.

If it wasn't going to be Nurse it was going to be the Russian. That was always going to be the smart move. The Russian, Nurse or Ristolainen.

Leaping to take a C to solve today's problem is a really, really bad idea.

The only reasonable option would have been to trade up to get Monahan/Lindholm, or down and pick Horvat, Lazar, etc, in the teens.

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#86 OilDieHard
August 05 2013, 09:54AM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah fair enough, I like Nurse as well. Another Peca on The Oilers would be super gnarly too.

My only concern with Nichushkin is that we all thought Paajarvi would be a world beater too & we all know how that turned out so I'm a little nervous when people talk about Nichushkin like he's a sure thing.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong and he lights it up but I'm reserving judgement for a while still.

BTW I think Nuge was better than Gagner in his rookie year by my eye but maybe advanced stats have it the other way.

Between Horvat & Monahan I think The Flames & Canucks are drafting quality prospects though.

i agree. i think way too muxh credit for being more of a sure thing is being given to Horvat and Nichuskin and nowhere near enough to Nurse.

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#87 hags9k
August 05 2013, 11:57AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

There are two debates here. We should be clear about them.

1. Taking a D in the top 10 vs. a consensus top billing forward.

2. Taking a C in the top 10, who is not a consensus top billing forward vs. taking a D who is.

1. It is IMO certainly riskier to take the D over the generic top billing forward. I would have taken the forward, i.e., the Russian. D take longer and have more pot-holes along the way.

But MacT laid out a clear philosophy for drafting and he said on day one he was willing to expose himself to risk. I can understand and support that even if I part ways with it somewhat.

2. It is much riskier to leap to take a non-top billing forward in the top 10, than it is to take a top-billing D in the top 10.

Horvat was #13 on both McKenzie and Zona's consensus lists. If we divide by 1.5 (to approx. a walkabout threshold) taking him 9th and up would be marginally safe. Taking him 8th and below would be a walkabout.

MacT put an end to the walkabout era of chasing shadows.

If it wasn't going to be Nurse it was going to be the Russian. That was always going to be the smart move. The Russian, Nurse or Ristolainen.

Leaping to take a C to solve today's problem is a really, really bad idea.

The only reasonable option would have been to trade up to get Monahan/Lindholm, or down and pick Horvat, Lazar, etc, in the teens.

1. I agree unfortunately with DSF that it is riskier to take the D over the F that high, and this should not become regular practice.

However, I think Nurse will cover the bet. No way I would trade him for either Horvat or the Russian right now. If the Russian pots 20+ this year in big D then the pressure mounts but I think Nurse is going to be gold.

2. I agree with you that you take the consensus D instead of reaching a bit for a C because of need. BPA wins over time. But in this case the gap to Horvat from the C group above(Lindholm, Monahan, Barkov) was enough that Nurse was the best option.

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#88 Deke Rivers
August 06 2013, 01:20PM
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As a point to some earlier posts. The Oilers only have 4 divisional games in the first two months (October and November) or first 27 games. (Canucks, Kings, Sharks, Flames)

2 games in October 2 games in November

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