TAYLOR HALL, OFF TO MARS

Lowetide
September 10 2013 05:47PM

 

To hear some people talk, Taylor Hall's move from wing to center is a radical thing, something that should be avoided at all costs, mistrusted. Folks, this isn't handing lead guitar to Bill Wyman, Taylor Hall can play. There's every chance he'll do well in the middle. The more interesting question is this: should he stay at center if it works? 

I mentioned this the other day, and I do think it's worth pursuing. If the Oilers move Hall to C and it works well, there's every reason to keep him there after the Nuge returns. Craig MacTavish arrived with a mandate to "build up the middle" and a top 3C of Hall, Nuge and Boyd Gordon does it in style.  

It also opens up all kinds of options on the wing (where have you gone, Teemu Hartikainen) and it could mean more minutes and opportunity for some wingers. 

POSSIBLE TOP 9F (C-L-R)

  • Hall-Gagner-Eberle: The Hall/Eberle WOWY (With or without you, it's here) is sublime.
  • Nuge-Perron-Yakupov: Nuge gets the new hire and the Russian, that's some major firepower. 
  • Gordon-Smyth-Hemsky: You may prefer Omark, I'll go with Smyth. This could be a quality veteran line. 

You can mix and match, there's some nice possibilities here and if Hemsky catches fire he could move up the depth chart in a hurry. You might have to protect the 2line, but Perron is a veteran and the Nuge is a demon on the backcheck. 

IT'LL NEVER WORK!

He's not going to Mars, he's taking out center for a spin. Taylor Hall is among the best forwards in the NHL. Full stop. The idea of Hall playing at center with Nuge on the 2line for the next 15 years is a wonderful dream--and it could be a reality if he can make the switch. The only barrier is (lack of) experience and Hall's adjusted to everything the NHL has thrown at him so far. 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

This isn't a trip to Mars. I think the idea of Hall at center solves all kinds of issues. If it doesn't work, put him back at LW where he has the best future available. If he can play center?

MUSIC!

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#1 David S
September 10 2013, 06:46PM
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Funny. The only guy who disagrees Taylor Hall at center long term is a good idea is Taylor Hall.

I can't remember the number of times He's said "Yeah I'll do it if I have to but I really prefer the wing."

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#3 Geoff
September 10 2013, 07:24PM
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I think you shouldn't separate Yakupov and Hall. They were doing awesome last year together if I remember correctly!

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#4 westcoastoil
September 10 2013, 06:05PM
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I'm confused - why would you move (arguably) the best LW in the league to C, and then move your 2C (who shoots R) to 1LW when he's never played there.

Hall - Nuge - Eberle Perron - Gagner - Yak

Although let's be honest it would be fun to see what a line of the three #1s would do, leaving Gagner with Perron and Ebs. With Hemmer in the wings

This whole options thing is kinda weird and creepy

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#5 Wax Man Riley
September 10 2013, 07:31PM
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Geoff wrote:

I think you shouldn't separate Yakupov and Hall. They were doing awesome last year together if I remember correctly!

I agree. Having Yak on the right and Hall on the left seemed like a lot for other teams' top defenders to handle.

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#6 Ivan Drago
September 10 2013, 07:39PM
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He's saying the right things because he's under the impression it's short term. He has repeatedly said LW is his preference. This "let's move a LW to C and a C to the wing (gagner) is not making sense to me. MacT needs to sign or trade for a C, that's his job. The sooner the better. Though I realize he can't do everything at once. To me Gagner is fine until then.

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#7 Oiler Al
September 10 2013, 06:40PM
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Hall, is very strong in his own end of the rink, on top of being a skater, shooter etc.makes him a likely candidate for center ice, why not. The only big question is how good can he be in the face off circle. He.s got the rest to be the best.

Some of the biggest stars in this game play-ed that postion.

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#8 Brian
September 10 2013, 06:34PM
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Don't worry about Smyth. We will find out very early that his foot speed is off the charts--negatively. Full stop.

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#9 Rama Lama
September 10 2013, 06:30PM
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Nothing ventured nothing gained!

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#10 Quicksilver ballet
September 10 2013, 10:36PM
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Eberle has offered and is a little more anxious to give center a go. That seems like a better fit, since Hall appears indifferent to this opportunity.

Leave the games best left winger where he belongs.

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#11 Walter Sobchak
September 10 2013, 08:45PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I agree. Having Yak on the right and Hall on the left seemed like a lot for other teams' top defenders to handle.

Including how they dominated Suter & the Wild the last few times they played them.

Was a beautiful thing to watch.

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#12 Walter Sobchak
September 10 2013, 11:01PM
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DSF wrote:

You might want to check last season's record against the Wild.

Naw, don't need to look it up. I knew it would get a response from you.

Just messing with ya DSF.

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#13 DSF
September 10 2013, 09:58PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

LT: your Bill Wyman analogy is NOT apt.

A more appropriate one would be moving a third baseman over to second base. Yes the skills are similar, but range and turning the double play are more important at second whereas reflexes and arm strength are the key issues at second. Hall may very well be an adequate centre, but clearly his best attributes are best suited to the wing.

As a stopgap sure, what choice - at this point - does the team really have?

But after RNH returns we still have a 2C who doesn't fit this team and who MacT adores and has signed a contract that if gagner continues his streaky behaviour and other bad habits will make him as unmarketable as Hemsky.

A bloody mess that has long been understood and yet we start the season as weak at center as the team finished last season. A month in the playoffs might already be far-fetched as a result.

This.

Going into the last two seasons, the Oilers were lacking TWO top pairing D, an above average goaltender and a #2C.

Going into this next season, the Oilers still have the same holes.

Loading up on 5-9 defensemen certainly is better than the alternative, signing another journeyman goaltender and replacing Horcoff with Gordon are certainly not negative but the team needs remain the same.

Not getting insurance at C while Hopkins status is questionable is baffling.

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#14 John Chambers
September 10 2013, 06:10PM
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The other part of this equation is Gagner and Smid getting traded for a top D (Byfuglien?), and replacing 89 with a Steve Ott / Troy Brouwer type.

Make it happen.

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#15 Walter Sobchak
September 10 2013, 08:41PM
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Lowetide wrote:

He's willing to do what it takes to make the team better. That's the important thing.

Yes, for the short term.....

The only people who want it long term is the two Jabroni's who want to keep reliving the 80's.

Taylor Hall will not make the Olympic squad because MacTavish can't find a way to address the black hole at center and that's a bloody shame.

As for the so called 3rd line, I will be waiting patiently for the article explaining how bad of an idea it was to put Hemsky - Gordon - Smyth on a line together.

This team makes me hotter than a mosquito in a room full of mannequins!

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#16 Taylor Gang
September 10 2013, 08:23PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

He's saying the right things because he's under the impression it's short term. He has repeatedly said LW is his preference. This "let's move a LW to C and a C to the wing (gagner) is not making sense to me. MacT needs to sign or trade for a C, that's his job. The sooner the better. Though I realize he can't do everything at once. To me Gagner is fine until then.

This. Isn't moving Gagner to the wing with Hall at centre just the same thing anyways? The centre depth is still awful. It's not fair to lump that responsibility on the players, that's MacT's job to find someone capable of playing centre.

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#17 Young Oil
September 10 2013, 10:48PM
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Eberle does make a lot more sense at center for a short term stint in my opinion...Hall might very well be better, but the lines would have a lot more balance if a right winger moved to the middle. Hemsky is a better bet for success as a #2RW than Omark or Smyth would be as a #2LW.

Unless the want is to attempt to showcase Omark to allow him to find a place in the NHL, and trade him for an asset when Nuge gets healthy, if he shows well. But that's not something a team who wants to win does, unless Omark plays his way into that position.

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#18 Lochenzo
September 10 2013, 06:43PM
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Worth pursuing for sure and I agree that it's worth a look. I'm antsy like some others out there tho. Taylor is on the cusp of becoming a dominant player in the league as a winger. Now let's try him at centre? It's like the kid is running down the home stretch and we threw him an extra hurdle to jump, hoping the he doesn't trip.

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#19 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 11 2013, 07:21AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Naw, don't need to look it up. I knew it would get a response from you.

Just messing with ya DSF.

oddly enough, most betting sites seem to have the Oilers around 20/1 right now to win the cup.

tied with the mighty Wild, at around 20/1.

so, by DSF logic, since the Wild joined the elite of the NHL last year, THAT MEANS THE OILERS ARE NOW IN THE ELITE OF THE NHL OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!

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#20 Rocket
September 10 2013, 10:17PM
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Please don't move Hall to centre. That's almost like moving Ovechkin to left wing. How did that work out? I like that Hall wants to help the team out but I hope he is privately pissed that MacT didn't address the lack of centre depth before this.

"The Departed" featuring Hall & MacT:

MacT: "Who are you?" Hall: "I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

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#21 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 10 2013, 10:19PM
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If I remember

correctly. Messier was

a winger at first

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#22 cabaj
September 10 2013, 10:20PM
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@Lowetide - Is there a logical reason for describing line cominations in the C-L-R format? Why 'C' not in middle? Just curious.

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#23 David S
September 10 2013, 10:48PM
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cabaj wrote:

Assuming Hall dominates at center, would it make sense to push Gagner to 3C once Nuge is back? It gets a little bit messy, but sure solidifies the middle and would bode well for a team that Eakin's has focused on puck possesion.

Perron - Hall - Yakupov
Omark - Nuge - Eberle
Smyth - Gagner - Hemsky
Joensuu - Gordon - Jones

Yakupov - Hall - Eberle
Perron - Nuge - Hemsky
Smyth - Gagner - Omark
Joensuu - Gordon - Jones

Yes... that would be $7.5MM for 3/4C but hey... it might work.

OK look. Smyth anywhere but the fourth line with limited minutes is just asking for disaster. He can't skate with any of the fast kids (Gagner is pretty damn fast) and he doesn't work with the skill kids. Aaaand his shot is laughable (AKA The Smytty Clapper™). For the love of god just slap Smytty on the 4th line and let him play out the year with whatever boneheads are left over.

If you're suggesting Gagner on the third line, then your suggesting the mythical "3 scoring lines" strategy. If that's the case, then you'll need a scorer to round out the trio. Smyth on the third will sewer any combination you can put together otherwise. I guess I'd go with Jones but as smart as he off the ice, he's a complete moron on-ice and really doesn't click with play makers.

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#24 ColourMeImpressed
September 10 2013, 11:50PM
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I don't like it because we already have a decent second-line centre who can take over first line duties in Gagner. Hall is the only legitimate first line left wing on the team and in fact arguably the best in the league.

For all the talk of a lack of first line centres in the NHL, you'll hve a harder time replacing Hall than you would Nuge.

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#25 j
September 11 2013, 08:20AM
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The biggest difference with moving Hall to center versus doing the same for Messier - Messier was moved there because his game was perfect for the role. He had all the skills to become the best centerman on the team (he was better than Gretz in terms of all around game IMO). For Hall, the move is because we have a hole in the lineup. I have no doubt that Hall has the ability to make the transition and he may even become an all star at that position. But his heart is on the wing and we actually need him on the wing. The move is simply an organizational one - not a strategic one. And that sucks.

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#26 ralph_u
September 10 2013, 09:36PM
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Ok but Taylor from never playing center in the NHL to the 1st line center? Really. I hope it happens for the month and then everyone is happy when he goes back to being the best LW in the league!!

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#28 Oilerz4life
September 10 2013, 06:20PM
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The diagram thing is off. It shows C,L,R. Hall, Gagner, Eberle. That would mean pulling Gagner out of center and putting him at wing?! Also, you have Smyth slotted in on the third line with Gordon and Hemsky. We all know Smytty is on the forth line slotted in as press box/associate coach Paul Newman player coaching position.

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#29 Sean17
September 10 2013, 08:43PM
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This would require Hall to keep his head up even more... Sounds like a concussion waiting to happen...

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#30 David S
September 10 2013, 11:00PM
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David S wrote:

OK look. Smyth anywhere but the fourth line with limited minutes is just asking for disaster. He can't skate with any of the fast kids (Gagner is pretty damn fast) and he doesn't work with the skill kids. Aaaand his shot is laughable (AKA The Smytty Clapper™). For the love of god just slap Smytty on the 4th line and let him play out the year with whatever boneheads are left over.

If you're suggesting Gagner on the third line, then your suggesting the mythical "3 scoring lines" strategy. If that's the case, then you'll need a scorer to round out the trio. Smyth on the third will sewer any combination you can put together otherwise. I guess I'd go with Jones but as smart as he off the ice, he's a complete moron on-ice and really doesn't click with play makers.

Last thing. If you're thinking of Smyth as the muscle to break things loose for Gagner/Omark...uhhh...yeah, about that.

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#31 Quicksilver ballet
September 10 2013, 10:18PM
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Good to see a few kids trying to rub some dog ship in the faces of the Bad News Bears this evening. Things didn't end the way we hoped but it was different seeing the Oilers kids ruffling some feathers.

Was a decent opportunity to land a few head shots without any day after phone calls. The Oilers will have to hold Nurse back, rather than wish he was a little meaner. There's certainly some fire in that kid.

A missed opportunity perhaps, was hoping for more salt in wound photo ops, rattle a few cages.

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#32 cabaj
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Assuming Hall dominates at center, would it make sense to push Gagner to 3C once Nuge is back? It gets a little bit messy, but sure solidifies the middle and would bode well for a team that Eakin's has focused on puck possesion.

Perron - Hall - Yakupov
Omark - Nuge - Eberle
Smyth - Gagner - Hemsky
Joensuu - Gordon - Jones

Yakupov - Hall - Eberle
Perron - Nuge - Hemsky
Smyth - Gagner - Omark
Joensuu - Gordon - Jones

Yes... that would be $7.5MM for 3/4C but hey... it might work.

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#33 hatrock
September 11 2013, 10:47AM
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And you're the only guy who posts lines C-L-R instead of what it actually looks like: L-C-R. Stop it!

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#34 Serious Gord
September 10 2013, 09:42PM
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LT: your Bill Wyman analogy is NOT apt.

A more appropriate one would be moving a third baseman over to second base. Yes the skills are similar, but range and turning the double play are more important at second whereas reflexes and arm strength are the key issues at second. Hall may very well be an adequate centre, but clearly his best attributes are best suited to the wing.

As a stopgap sure, what choice - at this point - does the team really have?

But after RNH returns we still have a 2C who doesn't fit this team and who MacT adores and has signed a contract that if gagner continues his streaky behaviour and other bad habits will make him as unmarketable as Hemsky.

A bloody mess that has long been understood and yet we start the season as weak at center as the team finished last season. A month in the playoffs might already be far-fetched as a result.

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#35 justDOit
September 10 2013, 10:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Eberle has offered and is a little more anxious to give center a go. That seems like a better fit, since Hall appears indifferent to this opportunity.

Leave the games best left winger where he belongs.

Ahh, the problems these days! Not so long ago, it was 'who is going to play center, and now it's, 'which top NHL winger gets to try out the center position.'

When I say Eberle play live in a prospect game in Leduc, I thought he could be playing center. He would leverage out much bigger defenders to win puck battles, and despite looking like a pee-wee when he skated back to the bench, he dominated that game. It wasn't even close.

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#36 Oilerz4life
September 11 2013, 01:18AM
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@cabaj

Those lines are a mess bro. Let me clarify for you guys since this article has everyone confused. The media seems to think because Messier moved to centre that the Oilers are doing that now with Hall permanently. Get that spinmaster hype out. Get thee behind me Satan. The Oilers web-site line combinations read as follows: L,C,R Hall,Nuge,Ebs Perron,Gagner,Yakupov Jones,Gordon ,Hemsky Smyth, Lander, Joensuu

That is the plan after pre-season. How exactly did this thread switch Jones w/ Smyth anyway? All this crazy line speculation. The media and this article has the Oiler's regular season plan all confused.

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#37 Geitus Maximus
September 10 2013, 08:25PM
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I really hope Taylor at center works out as that leads to amazing line combos. I think we saw Yak really starting to take off the last 15 games of last year. Nuge, Yak and Perron, wow, that is probably the first line or at least 1B. But how strong will the 3 rd line be? Much stronger as Lowetide postulated. This needs serious consideration and Im sure it will. Eakins isn't married to the staus quo lines of years past. How about Omark, Gordon, Hemsky? Now we would have a 3 rd line that does more than kill time and get clobbered.

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#38 DSF
September 10 2013, 09:19PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Including how they dominated Suter & the Wild the last few times they played them.

Was a beautiful thing to watch.

You might want to check last season's record against the Wild.

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#39 justDOit
September 10 2013, 10:24PM
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It's never a bad idea to have your best player play the most important forward position. And if it leads to winning, I'm a big doubter in Hall having anything bad to say about playing C.

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#40 justDOit
September 10 2013, 10:34PM
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If for no other reason than the first branch on this:

http://i.imgur.com/zp2z6TL.jpg

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#41 Rocket
September 10 2013, 10:47PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Totally. I do have some concerns about it though. Like the great chemistry of Ebs & baby Nuge as well as Jordan's faceoff ability but it would still be very interesting to see.

But seriously. MacT really couldn't find ONE NHL centre? Really? Even Smithson is an upgrade over absolutely nothing. Well, not much of an upgrade but still!

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#42 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 11 2013, 08:06AM
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Rocket wrote:

Please don't move Hall to centre. That's almost like moving Ovechkin to left wing. How did that work out? I like that Hall wants to help the team out but I hope he is privately pissed that MacT didn't address the lack of centre depth before this.

"The Departed" featuring Hall & MacT:

MacT: "Who are you?" Hall: "I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

Is this a trick question? He made first all-star.

Twice.

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#43 oilbaron
September 10 2013, 05:51PM
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Oh really ;)

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#44 justDOit
September 10 2013, 10:27PM
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cabaj wrote:

@Lowetide - Is there a logical reason for describing line cominations in the C-L-R format? Why 'C' not in middle? Just curious.

Oh boy, are you gonna getta banned real bad! Oh, wait...

My personal opinion why LT does this, is that he's just too nice, otherwise. He needs this to piss off people like you and I, every now and then.

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#45 Serious Gord
September 11 2013, 07:30AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

oddly enough, most betting sites seem to have the Oilers around 20/1 right now to win the cup.

tied with the mighty Wild, at around 20/1.

so, by DSF logic, since the Wild joined the elite of the NHL last year, THAT MEANS THE OILERS ARE NOW IN THE ELITE OF THE NHL OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!

All those odds tell you is that there are more oilers fans than wild fans. Season -long bets like that are more often fan statements than not. That's why the Chicago cubs always get better odds to win the World Series than they should.

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#46 hatrock
September 11 2013, 10:17AM
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The stats don't lie, separating Nuge and Ebs is dumb dumb dumb. Unless you don't believe in stats. They work very well together.

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#47 cabaj
September 11 2013, 12:04PM
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David S wrote:

OK look. Smyth anywhere but the fourth line with limited minutes is just asking for disaster. He can't skate with any of the fast kids (Gagner is pretty damn fast) and he doesn't work with the skill kids. Aaaand his shot is laughable (AKA The Smytty Clapper™). For the love of god just slap Smytty on the 4th line and let him play out the year with whatever boneheads are left over.

If you're suggesting Gagner on the third line, then your suggesting the mythical "3 scoring lines" strategy. If that's the case, then you'll need a scorer to round out the trio. Smyth on the third will sewer any combination you can put together otherwise. I guess I'd go with Jones but as smart as he off the ice, he's a complete moron on-ice and really doesn't click with play makers.

You may be proven right, but as of now you are overly sour on Smyth given his poor performance at CENTER in a condensed schedule. Krueger demanded excessive defensive skating & change of direction from his centers.

Throw him in his natural position, and a role that requies less defensive coverage. Park him in front of the net with gagner/hemsky cycling.

Why is it a myth?

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#48 Craig1981
September 10 2013, 06:09PM
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I love those line combinations, been thinking of those for a bit. I think having him able to play C when RNH or Gagner are scratched would be huge asset. I think having Smyth there is ok, but perhaps limiting him to 60 games or so giving Omark a chance to suit up would be good. Jones might be a nice fit as well with Gorden and Hemsky.

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#49 Bigfan
September 10 2013, 09:56PM
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Bill Wyman: Je suis un rock star!

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#50 Bigfan
September 10 2013, 10:09PM
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Bill played all the instruments for that song - and it was a hit. It was crap, but it was a hit. Things were much better when he went back to just bass. So the analogy with Hall at centre is actually pretty strong! Well done.

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