GDB -6: JETTING TO WINNIPEG

Jason Gregor
September 17 2013 08:00AM

The Oilers will have their pregame skate in Edmonton this morning, and then fly to Winnipeg this afternoon to take on the Jets. That would never happen in the regular season, but that's life in the preseason.

For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game.

After Saturday's split-squad games vs. the Flames the Oilers have had a few days to try and learn Eakins new systems. It will take a few games before every player is completely comfortable with the new system, so expect a few defensive breakdowns.

 When you look down tonight's roster it seems easy to pick who falls into the category of veteran sharpening his skill, bubble boys and guys destined for reassignment.

LINEUP

Jones-Gagner-Omark
Joensuu-Lander-Pitlick
R. Hamilton-Arcobello-Yakupov
Moroz-Martindale-Abney

Smid-Petry
Grebeshkov-Klefbom
Larsen-Davidson

LaBarbera
Bachman

Gagner, Jones, Yakupov, Smid, Petry, Grebeshkov and LaBarbera are safe bets to be on the team.

Lander, Joensuu, Omark, Hamilton, Arcobello and Larsen are in battle for a roster spot up front or on the backend.

Martindale, Abney, Bachman, Pitlick and Davidson will be heading to OKC eventually.

It looks like Klefbom will start the season in OKC, which will allow him to get comfortable to the North American game, and I won't be surprised if his recalled at some point this season.

Moroz will be heading back to junior, likely on Wednesday, and get set for the Oil Kings season opener this coming Friday.

Joensuu, Hamilton and Arcobello had strong first games, but playing well early in preseason isn't as important as playing well late when the rosters are filled with more NHL caliber players. They will need to build on their strong start to stay ahead of the pack.

Omark, Lander and Larsen were okay in their debuts, but a strong performance tonight could put them right back on track. Tonight is Pitlick's first opportunity to impress the coaches, and he feels he is ready to take a serious run at a roster spot. Davidson has impressed early in camp, but he'll need some more seasoning in the AHL before he's ready for a regular

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the Oilers website at 6 p.m. MST.

JETS LINEUP...

Tonight's lineup will come from this group of forwards and D-men. It sounds like the top three lines and top four D-men will dress, and then the 4th line and final D pairing will be decided at the morning skate. When I get confirmation I will edit the lineup to the usual 18 skaters.

***Edit*** Here is the Jets lineup.***

Kane-Jokinen-Setoguchi
Wright-Scheifele-Frolik
Telegin-Slater-Peluso
Tangradi-O'Dell-Klingberg


Byfuglien-Clitsome
Stuart-Postma
Trouba-Melchiori

Pavelec
Montoya

DALLAS THE DOER

Yesterday on my radio show, Ryan Jones talked about gaining confidence, trying to get back to his style of play and the impact Eakins has had on the organization. 

Jason Gregor: It’s pre-season and I’m not sure if there are any studies that say that if you score in the pre-season, it carries over but it’s always good to score for a guy like you. Does it build confidence when you get a goal early in the pre-season?  

Ryan Jones: It has to. Even if you score in shinny hockey or in practise you get a little bit more confidence. So it has to. You know what, that goal just reiterates what I have to do to be a successful player.  

I’ve said all along that I’m trying to get back to the way that I was playing a couple of years ago which made me successful and that’s exactly what I did in the exhibition game; just be a pain in the ass. Sorry, can I say that? Be a pain in the butt [laughs], get to the front of the net because there are so many guys throughout this line-up who are so good with the puck and there is no sense in me, once I can get in there. Bang a body, get the puck on their stick, it’s useless for me to crowd those guys.  

So to get in front of the net, to crowd that net area, to allow them to have a little bit of space, to allow them to bring it to the net is the most ideal thing that I can do. Especially when I’m playing with [David] Perron. Once I got in, I made a hit and the puck goes to him there’s no sense in following that guy around. He’s skilled enough to make plays and get it into the net so I just made it a point to put my butt in the goalie’s face and try to make as much havoc as I could. We had a tonne of grade ‘A’ scoring chances out of me doing it.  

Gregor: Do the goalies look smaller with the smaller pads? Have you noticed it at all?  

Jones: It’s funny because when we were skating in Minnesota and Josh Harding wore them, I thought that he looked tiny. When he put his pads together and stood in the net, it just looked like there was so much open net. Other than that one time, I haven’t really noticed.  

You know what? They all look gigantic in there. It seems like every time I come down to shoot there are very little openings but like I said, that’s not my game. Usually they’re on their back or their sides or their knees when I’m chipping pucks in so they pretty much all look the same for me.  

Gregor: Dallas Eakins has come in and made some subtle things; the locker room is different, the pictures are down, he has a big focus on nutrition, he’s a real task master on wanting the guys to be in shape. Did this team need a real culture change and have you noticed it from your head coach?  

Jones: I have noticed it. You want to know what, there are doers and talkers and we’ve unfortunately had a lot of people who were great talkers. And I mean even to you guys, they answered all of the questions the right way but it seemed like it was never different in the room compared to when I came here all of the way through last year.

Yeah we got a little bit better, we got younger, we got more skilled, but even in the locker room with the guys there were a lot of guys who seemed to talk the right game but nothing ever seemed to get done.

I haven’t heard Dallas say very many words outside of what you guys ask him, but he just does everything. He shows us in this locker room what he wants to be done by example. He wants something done, he goes out there, he shows us, we do it. And he demands that out of us. That’s what this locker room needs. He’s going to demand everything out of everybody and Dallas, as far as I can tell, is exactly that guy. From what I’ve heard, and briefly seen, he’s a player’s coach, he’s demanding and his accountability is second to none.
 

Gregor: He talked earlier about how he likes longer practices and he likes to push guys. What did you think about the practice?  

Jones: [Laughs] They are fairly long, but you know what, they’re detailed and you’re not just out there wasting time. You’re never out there just doing a shooting drill to do a shooting drill. Everything that we did out there on the ice today was a team game, some sort of aspect of what we’re going to need to do to win and be a successful team. At the end we got to do a shoot a puck but everything else was a backcheck or a forecheck or faceoffs. There’s no wasted time when you’re out there and that’s good because it keeps you on your toes and it keeps your mind in every single practice, that’s what we need. We can’t have any guys sleeping at any point in time. 

PARTING SHOTS....

Jones' comments on Eakins being a doer, and not just a talker spoke volumes. I think we'd all agree that for the past few seasons we've heard a lot of talk, but we never saw the action match the words.

Eakins has shown he isn't afraid to make changes. Will changing the paint and decor of a room make the Oilers play better on the ice, unlikely, but it illustrates that Eakins won't be sticking with the status quo. Yesterday's practice was uptempo the entire time, and it will be interesting to watch how they practice throughout the year.

I've written on many occasions the past few years how different the Oilers practices were compared to other teams. Chicago and Detroit had quicker paced practices, especially their puck drills.

He wants to change the culture in his dressing room, and he will make his players more accountable on the ice. He's outlined a new workout routine that he expects the players to follow. He's given them an outline for what he expects on practice days, as well as game days.

Some players won't be impacted by the changes, because many of them had pre-skate work out routines as well as post-game routines, but it will be different for some. It is no longer optional.

  • ESPN ranked the top-50 D-men in the NHL and J.Schultz was the only Oiler to crack the list at #40. I was surprised to see Ekman-Larsson and McDonagh ahead of Pietrangelo, albeit only a few spots, but overall I'd agree with most of the rankings. Your thoughts? Schultz is ranked a bit high, if you go off last seasons numbers, but I suspect they added his potential when ranking him. His overall game will be much better this year compared to last season.

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#51 OilClog
September 17 2013, 11:56AM
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So if McGratton is dressed, we tuck tail and cower.. Check.

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#52 David S
September 17 2013, 12:05PM
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Wonger wrote:

Of course he didn't drop the gloves MORON!!! McGrattan was in their line-up and he would have been Joensuu's next fight! Watch the Calgary-Ottawa highlights. Jones runs around so SDAO (Ottawa) nails him. Stajan jumps Sdao. Sdao kicks the s%^t out of Stajan. Next time Sdao is on the ice, Hartley sends McGrattan after him. Sdao gets cut and dropped. Thats why nobody screws around with the Flames! Oilers don't have that luxury. We don't believe in enforcers like most of the other teams in the NHL do. Could you have imagined what McGrattan would have done to Sarich if he were an Oiler, and the coach let him do his job after Sarich steamrolled Hall two years ago! By the way, Matt Kassian was not in the Ottawa line-up last night, but he will be when these two teams meet again, and he will line up with McGrattan, and you can guess the rest! THE LEAGUE KNOWS NOT TO SCREW AROND WITH THE FLAMES EVEN IF THY START TROUBLE!!!!!

I'll take a shot.

McGrattan will play about 2:30, basically doing no more than cruising around like a great white shark. Eventually he'll get his staged fight from some sucker looking to make an NHL roster where he'll be given a double minor and a game misconduct.

While short-handed the fLames will get scored on three times, effectively ending any chance to win the game ten minutes into the first period.

Sound about right?

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#53 terranq
September 17 2013, 12:06PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

The Firefox plugin 'MediaHint' does the same thing for free.

Yeah, but adtimefree and unblock-us can be set at the router level, so any devices connected to the internet are covered. For example, I have a roku box which I use for netflix. mediahint wouldn't work for this, but adfreetime does

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#54 David S
September 17 2013, 12:07PM
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*Drops mic*

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#55 ColourMeImpressed
September 17 2013, 12:09PM
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why does Yak keep getting stuck with Invisobello?

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#56 Fresh Mess
September 17 2013, 12:10PM
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For me Eakins is a blank slate, and that is a good thing. I haven't been impressed with MacT's moves aside from the masterful offloading of Horcoff's contract. Signing Jones was a very good move IMO. Signing freakinGrebeshkov not so much.

Eakin's gets a fresh start to try and do something with this roster. After this season he's going to be a bit more grey and have a higher hairline. I wish him luck.

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#57 K_Mart
September 17 2013, 12:18PM
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It seems pretty obvious to me that Belov was a superior defenseman to Grebeshkov in the past KHL season that saw a number of NHL players join the league.

Why do I keep hearing that Grebeshkov is more likely for nhl employment?

Is it simply because he came on a 1-way and Belov came on a 2-way?

Nonsense.

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#58 Wonger
September 17 2013, 12:26PM
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David S wrote:

I'll take a shot.

McGrattan will play about 2:30, basically doing no more than cruising around like a great white shark. Eventually he'll get his staged fight from some sucker looking to make an NHL roster where he'll be given a double minor and a game misconduct.

While short-handed the fLames will get scored on three times, effectively ending any chance to win the game ten minutes into the first period.

Sound about right?

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

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#59 CaptainLander
September 17 2013, 12:33PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

They have stars?

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#60 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 12:37PM
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Bushed wrote:

Kronwall, Subban, and Phaneuf are all way over-rated in the ESPN list (especially Kronwall).

Lots of guys lower on the list I'd rather have on my team than any of those three (Subban mostly because of his mouth and attitude, admittedly. If he could grow up and shut up, I'd like him a lot better.)

Not saying these guys wouldn't make the list, but I'd put them all a lot lower than ESPN.

WTF does Subban's perceived (yes, perceived, you have NO idea what he's like personally) attitude have to do with you, or with his ability to be the best defender in the NHL last year?

I will agree that Kronwall and Phaneuf are overrated, but Subban is a legitimate Weber-calibre defender, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is simply incorrect.

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#61 striatic
September 17 2013, 12:38PM
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i have and pay for nhl game center, in the states.

none of these preseason games have been available over it.

lots of preseason games on firstrow though. the edmonton game will likely be streamed from there, although no guarantees.

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#62 pkam
September 17 2013, 12:43PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

Last season we finished 24th, did Calgary finish higher? Or are you talking CFL?

We had Steve McIntyre for 3 years and how many fights did he have? And we must be injury free in those years, right?

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#63 book¡e
September 17 2013, 12:47PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

What's a GENIOUS?

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#64 pkam
September 17 2013, 12:48PM
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datFOZ wrote:

WTF does Subban's perceived (yes, perceived, you have NO idea what he's like personally) attitude have to do with you, or with his ability to be the best defender in the NHL last year?

I will agree that Kronwall and Phaneuf are overrated, but Subban is a legitimate Weber-calibre defender, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is simply incorrect.

I don't think Subban is better than Drew Doughty though, and probably not better than Letang. He may later but at least not now.

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#65 pkam
September 17 2013, 12:50PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

They have stars?

They had, but no longer anymore.

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#66 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
September 17 2013, 12:50PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

Calgary beating Edm in the standings had nothing to do with their goalie, right? So can you explain to me why, even in all those games with Smacintyre, Hemsky was still getting run by every goon in the league, AND we still finished at the bottom?

Besides, if Joensu fights Wideman, who says he has to fight McGratten? He can skate away like the entire league did when Macintyre went looking for a fight after the fact.

As for the whole online video streaming: garbage. It didn't work for me out in Saskatoon. The whole system seems to be set up to make it difficult/expensive to get what you want legally (Game of Thrones style). If gigantic media corporations are gonna give me the runaround, and try to make obscene profits by screwing me, then I'm not going to play their games, especially when other options exist. I'll happily pay a reasonable amount for what I will actually use, but I'm not into paying way more money for crap I neither want nor will use.

Btw, I've purchased both seasons of G of T once available. And spent hundreds (probably thousands) on Oilers jerseys/tickets over the last 20 years. If anyone thinks I'm 'stealing' from the NhL, the Oilers or HBO, they have a very narrow vision of reality that I can't respect.

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#67 ColourMeImpressed
September 17 2013, 12:51PM
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@datFOZ

Subban is like a young Phaneuf. Lots of flash, lots of bad positioning.

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#68 master of my domain
September 17 2013, 12:56PM
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as for the streaming, I used http://www6.hockeystreams.com/ all last year and it was great. I cancelled my cable years ago and I'm out of market and this gives me all of the games.

it is a pay site, but I found it very worth it. no blackouts, all hockey(nhl,ahl,whl,khl...). but probably the most useful for me, being a night shift guy, is the instant archiving. unlike gamecentre I can watch the game right when I get home from work at 1am instead of having to wait 24-48hrs (unless they changed that).

plus I'm still a little bitter about the constant lockouts so I hate giving my money to gamecentre.

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#69 master of my domain
September 17 2013, 12:59PM
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as I check it though, it doesn't look like they have tonights game. I think they "borrow" their streams from gamecentre.

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#70 terranq
September 17 2013, 01:00PM
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@Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!

I'm in Saskatoon as well. I had no issues watching the game from the Oilers website

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#71 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:02PM
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@ColorMeImpressed

Phaneuf has never been able to drive play like Subban. All that bad positioning got him was a Norris trophy and some of the best possession numbers from the back end in the league over the last two years. He's literally Weber-class. Lumping him with Phaneuf (who is still a legitimate top pairing NHL defenseman) isn't giving Subban enough credit.

@pkam

Anyone who discounts Subban for his defensive work needs to attribute Letang with the same flaws. Doughty is a beast though, but I don't consider Subban a full tier below him, not by any stretch.

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#72 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:04PM
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As for Gregor's confusion as to why OEL is ranked below Pietrangelo... I rate OEL higher too, I don't think its that farfetched at all. OEL gets no love because he's in PHX, but that guy is a stud. I'd trade Eberle+ for him in a NY minute.

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#73 pkam
September 17 2013, 01:18PM
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datFOZ wrote:

@ColorMeImpressed

Phaneuf has never been able to drive play like Subban. All that bad positioning got him was a Norris trophy and some of the best possession numbers from the back end in the league over the last two years. He's literally Weber-class. Lumping him with Phaneuf (who is still a legitimate top pairing NHL defenseman) isn't giving Subban enough credit.

@pkam

Anyone who discounts Subban for his defensive work needs to attribute Letang with the same flaws. Doughty is a beast though, but I don't consider Subban a full tier below him, not by any stretch.

The difference between Subban and Letang is Subban was playing with Markov last year. He wasn't as good the year before without Markov. If Subban can keep playing as well this year, then I'll agree with you the two are tied. For now, Letang is ahead of Subban in my book.

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#74 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:28PM
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@pkam

Subban had top-flight possession numbers without Markov the full season before.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/7/29/3196635/pk-subban-is-a-bad-person-and-oel-is-a-wimp

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/4/12/2943259/young-defenseman-comparisons-nhl

Read the second one especially.

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#75 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
September 17 2013, 01:28PM
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David S wrote:

I'll take a shot.

McGrattan will play about 2:30, basically doing no more than cruising around like a great white shark. Eventually he'll get his staged fight from some sucker looking to make an NHL roster where he'll be given a double minor and a game misconduct.

While short-handed the fLames will get scored on three times, effectively ending any chance to win the game ten minutes into the first period.

Sound about right?

How does that hurt the Flames? They are in a lotto hunt and can keep their kids safe during a rebuild. Something we should've did.

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#76 RexLibris
September 17 2013, 01:32PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

They have stars?

Its a relative term.

But they do expect to be seeing stars many nights this season.

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#77 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:37PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

How does that hurt the Flames? They are in a lotto hunt and can keep their kids safe during a rebuild. Something we should've did.

The introduction of a McGratton isn't going to prevent Hall from fighting Dorsett, nor is it going to prevent RNH from skating into the boards, nor is it going to prevent Eberle from picking his toe and hurting his knee, or breaking his finger for that matter.

So.... what's your point?

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#78 pkam
September 17 2013, 01:43PM
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datFOZ wrote:

The introduction of a McGratton isn't going to prevent Hall from fighting Dorsett, nor is it going to prevent RNH from skating into the boards, nor is it going to prevent Eberle from picking his toe and hurting his knee, or breaking his finger for that matter.

So.... what's your point?

I believe his point is to add an enforcer who can't play to help securing that 1st overall.

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#80 Rocket
September 17 2013, 02:05PM
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So how much will RNH get paid?

I would rather a long term deal with less money than a shorter more expensive contract. True #1 centres are not that easy to get so I think locking Nuge up for at least 6 years would be pretty cool.

Also, Ryan Jones needs to prove this season that he belongs on The Oilers. No more cheating for offense but quality 2-way play. And if he can bring the grit all the better.

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#81 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 17 2013, 02:13PM
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An apple a day will keep anyone away.....if you throw it hard enough.

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#82 Wonger
September 17 2013, 02:13PM
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Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe! wrote:

Calgary beating Edm in the standings had nothing to do with their goalie, right? So can you explain to me why, even in all those games with Smacintyre, Hemsky was still getting run by every goon in the league, AND we still finished at the bottom?

Besides, if Joensu fights Wideman, who says he has to fight McGratten? He can skate away like the entire league did when Macintyre went looking for a fight after the fact.

As for the whole online video streaming: garbage. It didn't work for me out in Saskatoon. The whole system seems to be set up to make it difficult/expensive to get what you want legally (Game of Thrones style). If gigantic media corporations are gonna give me the runaround, and try to make obscene profits by screwing me, then I'm not going to play their games, especially when other options exist. I'll happily pay a reasonable amount for what I will actually use, but I'm not into paying way more money for crap I neither want nor will use.

Btw, I've purchased both seasons of G of T once available. And spent hundreds (probably thousands) on Oilers jerseys/tickets over the last 20 years. If anyone thinks I'm 'stealing' from the NhL, the Oilers or HBO, they have a very narrow vision of reality that I can't respect.

If the coach lets MacIntyre grab the offender and beat the tar out of him, regardless of the penalties, he will probably only have to do this once and THE MESSAGE WILL BE SENT!!!!! Don't MESS WITH THE OIL SKILL!!!!!

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#83 pkam
September 17 2013, 02:26PM
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"For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game. "

My question is which category does Abney fall into? He has played 2 pro seasons and barely made it to the ECHL and a constant scratch. What does the management want to see that they haven't in the last 2 years? It'll be a miracle if he can even make it to the AHL. Should've been cut with the 1st group imo. The Oilers should've release him and save his roster spot to keep the right of Rajala.

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#84 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 02:28PM
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Rocket wrote:

So how much will RNH get paid?

I would rather a long term deal with less money than a shorter more expensive contract. True #1 centres are not that easy to get so I think locking Nuge up for at least 6 years would be pretty cool.

Also, Ryan Jones needs to prove this season that he belongs on The Oilers. No more cheating for offense but quality 2-way play. And if he can bring the grit all the better.

These post ELC contracts for big time players don't usually work that way.

Usually you pay the big money all along in order to buy long term (see Hall's contract), or you pay considerably less for a short "bridge contract" (see Subban), where the team isn't sure the player will pan out completely and the player doesn't want to lock in and restrict earning potential.

It's only with more established free agents that you can shave down the $$ by offering longer term, because more vet players are looking for security and have more than likely reached their peak.

I couldn't agree more BTW. I'd love to have him locked in long term.

Oh and Jones. I wish him all the best, but I think MacT could have done better with that roster spot and for that money. If he can prove me wrong, few will be more excited than me.

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#85 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 02:31PM
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@pkam

Just guessing here, but I recall Eakins saying that he wanted everybody in camp to see at least one EXI game if possible before getting sent. It's all about that experience, that taste, that glimpse as to what they are working towards.

I don't think Abney got into either Calgary game, so after he gets work either tonight or tomorrow he'll likely be on the first bus back to wherever they want to hide him.

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#87 pkam
September 17 2013, 02:35PM
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Wonger wrote:

If the coach lets MacIntyre grab the offender and beat the tar out of him, regardless of the penalties, he will probably only have to do this once and THE MESSAGE WILL BE SENT!!!!! Don't MESS WITH THE OIL SKILL!!!!!

Didn't McIntyre KO Ivanans of Calgary Flames in 2010-11? Was THE MESSAGE strong enough?

Wonder why Hall had to fight Dorsett and ended his season earlier the same year? I guess Hall must think nobody dared to touch him after McIntyre sent the message with that KO.

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#88 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

Didn't McIntyre KO Ivanans of Calgary Flames in 2010-11? Was THE MESSAGE strong enough?

Wonder why Hall had to fight Dorsett and ended his season earlier the same year? I guess Hall must think nobody dared to touch him after McIntyre sent the message with that KO.

That KO was game one. The same night Eberle scored his wondergoal. Evidently, the league didn't get the memo.

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#89 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

"For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game. "

My question is which category does Abney fall into? He has played 2 pro seasons and barely made it to the ECHL and a constant scratch. What does the management want to see that they haven't in the last 2 years? It'll be a miracle if he can even make it to the AHL. Should've been cut with the 1st group imo. The Oilers should've release him and save his roster spot to keep the right of Rajala.

Abney -- from draft pick to current camp -- is a mystery. Not sure who sees what.

But there is no reason to flush him while he's still on his ELC and trying to find his game...

I believe the Oilers retain Rajala's rights regardless. They don't even have to waste a roster spot or a spot on the 50 man list. Same goes for Hartikainen and Omark before.

This actually makes for an interesting incentive to have your "prospects" develop in Europe... of course, they may never come back, or ever develop.

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#90 Shifty203
September 17 2013, 02:55PM
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@ Gregor

Really!? Grebeshkov a safe bet to make the team!? Nurse looked better out there then he did.

There's no way his little offensive upside covers for his brutal defensive play. He looked lost and about half as fast as he used to. He got caught flat footed several times.

I have no problem giving him a shot, but I haven't seen anything yet from him that would make him jump over any of our other defensive prospects, and to call a safe bet to make the team.

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#91 Ivan Drago
September 17 2013, 02:56PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

An apple a day will keep anyone away.....if you throw it hard enough.

I'll hire Roger Clemens to whip one at your head if it keeps you away for good.

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#92 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:00PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He will be going down soon...He gets one preseason game like most guys destined for the minors.

As for Rajala, he wanted out of his contract so he could make more money in Europe. Abney had zero impact on Rajala's situation. Rajala is a free agent now, but he wasn't close to being an NHL player.

Oilers keep the right of Omark when he played in Switzerland, right? So we should be able to let Rajala play in Europe and keep his right, unless Rajala has decided he will not return to NHL.

What I heard is that Oilers is running close to the 50 roster spot so they choose to release Rajala. I don't know how much truth in that rumor. But if it is true, I would rather they release Abney and keep Rajala, even he chooses to play in Europe for a year or 2.

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#93 Maverick007
September 17 2013, 03:02PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

For me Eakins is a blank slate, and that is a good thing. I haven't been impressed with MacT's moves aside from the masterful offloading of Horcoff's contract. Signing Jones was a very good move IMO. Signing freakinGrebeshkov not so much.

Eakin's gets a fresh start to try and do something with this roster. After this season he's going to be a bit more grey and have a higher hairline. I wish him luck.

What about Gordon, what about Ferrence?

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#94 Will
September 17 2013, 03:03PM
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Since I'm either watching a game with friends at their house or a bar, for times I have it on at my house by my self, I just find a stream online, then sink it up with the Oilers radio network.

It reminds me of the days you'd turn the volume on the tv off, then turn Phillips on the radio up.

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#96 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:04PM
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datFOZ wrote:

That KO was game one. The same night Eberle scored his wondergoal. Evidently, the league didn't get the memo.

If you want to send a message, wouldn't you think game 1 is the best timing?

If KO is not effective enough and missed by the whole league, what else can be more effective?

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#97 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:09PM
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datFOZ wrote:

Just guessing here, but I recall Eakins saying that he wanted everybody in camp to see at least one EXI game if possible before getting sent. It's all about that experience, that taste, that glimpse as to what they are working towards.

I don't think Abney got into either Calgary game, so after he gets work either tonight or tomorrow he'll likely be on the first bus back to wherever they want to hide him.

I might be wrong but from what I remember, there are a couple that got cut yesterday didn't have any exhibition game.

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#98 MessyEH!
September 17 2013, 03:13PM
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ColourMeImpressed wrote:

Subban is like a young Phaneuf. Lots of flash, lots of bad positioning.

I waz on aware that Dion Phaneuf ever won a Norris.

Look at the Norris trophy winners of the past and show me one "flash in the pan in the last 40 years. This isn't the Vezina. Or Rocket Richard. The Norris is BONAFIDE.

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#99 David S
September 17 2013, 03:14PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

Man I love this time of year. When Junior High kids start chirping on hockey blogs you know hockey is just around the corner!

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#100 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:15PM
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datFOZ wrote:

Subban had top-flight possession numbers without Markov the full season before.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/7/29/3196635/pk-subban-is-a-bad-person-and-oel-is-a-wimp

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/4/12/2943259/young-defenseman-comparisons-nhl

Read the second one especially.

Subban's ppg was much better last year with Markov than the year before without Markov. Is there any data comparing his possession metrics in these two years?

Letang would be top 10 the year before, would anyone think Subban was top 10 the year before?

We will find out this year how much of Subban's improvement is related to help from Markov. Before this, I will put Letang ahead of Subban.

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