GDB -6: JETTING TO WINNIPEG

Jason Gregor
September 17 2013 08:00AM

The Oilers will have their pregame skate in Edmonton this morning, and then fly to Winnipeg this afternoon to take on the Jets. That would never happen in the regular season, but that's life in the preseason.

For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game.

After Saturday's split-squad games vs. the Flames the Oilers have had a few days to try and learn Eakins new systems. It will take a few games before every player is completely comfortable with the new system, so expect a few defensive breakdowns.

 When you look down tonight's roster it seems easy to pick who falls into the category of veteran sharpening his skill, bubble boys and guys destined for reassignment.

LINEUP

Jones-Gagner-Omark
Joensuu-Lander-Pitlick
R. Hamilton-Arcobello-Yakupov
Moroz-Martindale-Abney

Smid-Petry
Grebeshkov-Klefbom
Larsen-Davidson

LaBarbera
Bachman

Gagner, Jones, Yakupov, Smid, Petry, Grebeshkov and LaBarbera are safe bets to be on the team.

Lander, Joensuu, Omark, Hamilton, Arcobello and Larsen are in battle for a roster spot up front or on the backend.

Martindale, Abney, Bachman, Pitlick and Davidson will be heading to OKC eventually.

It looks like Klefbom will start the season in OKC, which will allow him to get comfortable to the North American game, and I won't be surprised if his recalled at some point this season.

Moroz will be heading back to junior, likely on Wednesday, and get set for the Oil Kings season opener this coming Friday.

Joensuu, Hamilton and Arcobello had strong first games, but playing well early in preseason isn't as important as playing well late when the rosters are filled with more NHL caliber players. They will need to build on their strong start to stay ahead of the pack.

Omark, Lander and Larsen were okay in their debuts, but a strong performance tonight could put them right back on track. Tonight is Pitlick's first opportunity to impress the coaches, and he feels he is ready to take a serious run at a roster spot. Davidson has impressed early in camp, but he'll need some more seasoning in the AHL before he's ready for a regular

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the Oilers website at 6 p.m. MST.

JETS LINEUP...

Tonight's lineup will come from this group of forwards and D-men. It sounds like the top three lines and top four D-men will dress, and then the 4th line and final D pairing will be decided at the morning skate. When I get confirmation I will edit the lineup to the usual 18 skaters.

***Edit*** Here is the Jets lineup.***

Kane-Jokinen-Setoguchi
Wright-Scheifele-Frolik
Telegin-Slater-Peluso
Tangradi-O'Dell-Klingberg


Byfuglien-Clitsome
Stuart-Postma
Trouba-Melchiori

Pavelec
Montoya

DALLAS THE DOER

Yesterday on my radio show, Ryan Jones talked about gaining confidence, trying to get back to his style of play and the impact Eakins has had on the organization. 

Jason Gregor: It’s pre-season and I’m not sure if there are any studies that say that if you score in the pre-season, it carries over but it’s always good to score for a guy like you. Does it build confidence when you get a goal early in the pre-season?  

Ryan Jones: It has to. Even if you score in shinny hockey or in practise you get a little bit more confidence. So it has to. You know what, that goal just reiterates what I have to do to be a successful player.  

I’ve said all along that I’m trying to get back to the way that I was playing a couple of years ago which made me successful and that’s exactly what I did in the exhibition game; just be a pain in the ass. Sorry, can I say that? Be a pain in the butt [laughs], get to the front of the net because there are so many guys throughout this line-up who are so good with the puck and there is no sense in me, once I can get in there. Bang a body, get the puck on their stick, it’s useless for me to crowd those guys.  

So to get in front of the net, to crowd that net area, to allow them to have a little bit of space, to allow them to bring it to the net is the most ideal thing that I can do. Especially when I’m playing with [David] Perron. Once I got in, I made a hit and the puck goes to him there’s no sense in following that guy around. He’s skilled enough to make plays and get it into the net so I just made it a point to put my butt in the goalie’s face and try to make as much havoc as I could. We had a tonne of grade ‘A’ scoring chances out of me doing it.  

Gregor: Do the goalies look smaller with the smaller pads? Have you noticed it at all?  

Jones: It’s funny because when we were skating in Minnesota and Josh Harding wore them, I thought that he looked tiny. When he put his pads together and stood in the net, it just looked like there was so much open net. Other than that one time, I haven’t really noticed.  

You know what? They all look gigantic in there. It seems like every time I come down to shoot there are very little openings but like I said, that’s not my game. Usually they’re on their back or their sides or their knees when I’m chipping pucks in so they pretty much all look the same for me.  

Gregor: Dallas Eakins has come in and made some subtle things; the locker room is different, the pictures are down, he has a big focus on nutrition, he’s a real task master on wanting the guys to be in shape. Did this team need a real culture change and have you noticed it from your head coach?  

Jones: I have noticed it. You want to know what, there are doers and talkers and we’ve unfortunately had a lot of people who were great talkers. And I mean even to you guys, they answered all of the questions the right way but it seemed like it was never different in the room compared to when I came here all of the way through last year.

Yeah we got a little bit better, we got younger, we got more skilled, but even in the locker room with the guys there were a lot of guys who seemed to talk the right game but nothing ever seemed to get done.

I haven’t heard Dallas say very many words outside of what you guys ask him, but he just does everything. He shows us in this locker room what he wants to be done by example. He wants something done, he goes out there, he shows us, we do it. And he demands that out of us. That’s what this locker room needs. He’s going to demand everything out of everybody and Dallas, as far as I can tell, is exactly that guy. From what I’ve heard, and briefly seen, he’s a player’s coach, he’s demanding and his accountability is second to none.
 

Gregor: He talked earlier about how he likes longer practices and he likes to push guys. What did you think about the practice?  

Jones: [Laughs] They are fairly long, but you know what, they’re detailed and you’re not just out there wasting time. You’re never out there just doing a shooting drill to do a shooting drill. Everything that we did out there on the ice today was a team game, some sort of aspect of what we’re going to need to do to win and be a successful team. At the end we got to do a shoot a puck but everything else was a backcheck or a forecheck or faceoffs. There’s no wasted time when you’re out there and that’s good because it keeps you on your toes and it keeps your mind in every single practice, that’s what we need. We can’t have any guys sleeping at any point in time. 

PARTING SHOTS....

Jones' comments on Eakins being a doer, and not just a talker spoke volumes. I think we'd all agree that for the past few seasons we've heard a lot of talk, but we never saw the action match the words.

Eakins has shown he isn't afraid to make changes. Will changing the paint and decor of a room make the Oilers play better on the ice, unlikely, but it illustrates that Eakins won't be sticking with the status quo. Yesterday's practice was uptempo the entire time, and it will be interesting to watch how they practice throughout the year.

I've written on many occasions the past few years how different the Oilers practices were compared to other teams. Chicago and Detroit had quicker paced practices, especially their puck drills.

He wants to change the culture in his dressing room, and he will make his players more accountable on the ice. He's outlined a new workout routine that he expects the players to follow. He's given them an outline for what he expects on practice days, as well as game days.

Some players won't be impacted by the changes, because many of them had pre-skate work out routines as well as post-game routines, but it will be different for some. It is no longer optional.

  • ESPN ranked the top-50 D-men in the NHL and J.Schultz was the only Oiler to crack the list at #40. I was surprised to see Ekman-Larsson and McDonagh ahead of Pietrangelo, albeit only a few spots, but overall I'd agree with most of the rankings. Your thoughts? Schultz is ranked a bit high, if you go off last seasons numbers, but I suspect they added his potential when ranking him. His overall game will be much better this year compared to last season.

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#101 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:19PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@PKAM

The Oilers do NOT own Rajala's rights...He is a free agent, because they bought him out. It was a mutual agreement. He asked to go to make more money in Europe.

His route is not an incentive for prospects.

Hartikainen and Omark were qualified, but didn't have an actual contract and that is why the Oilers maintained their rights.

That is Romulus' Apotheosis's comment, not mine.

I know the Oilers do not own Rajala's rights anymore when they put him on waiver and bought him out.

I just wonder why they keep Abney but release Rajala. Unless Rajala already decides he is not coming back to NHL, it makes no sense.

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#102 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@PKAM

The Oilers do NOT own Rajala's rights...He is a free agent, because they bought him out. It was a mutual agreement. He asked to go to make more money in Europe.

His route is not an incentive for prospects.

Hartikainen and Omark were qualified, but didn't have an actual contract and that is why the Oilers maintained their rights.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I misremembered them qualifying him.

Here's a pretty detailed explanation from Matty for anyone else looking for more info on the situation (there are comments from Howson)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+farmhand+Toni+Rajala+asks+contract+play+Europe/8829482/story.html

If anyone else is interested (since it is so confusing), as far as the 50 man list goes, it doesn't seem to include Euro players who aren't offered an ELC (I believe), so Hartikainen, Zharkov and the new Russians aren't on it.

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/reserve-list/

As far as incentive goes.. clearly not for Rajala. His only route would be to show big in Europe and come back over, in which case the Oilers could sign him (and would benefit from his development years outside the system)... but it is such a convoluted model that it is hard to imagine anyone "planning" for it.

In the case of Hartikainen, Omark, Zharkov and others, I think it is a pretty attractive model of development. Players get to grow in a top league against men, without taking up a spot on the 50 man. Tarasenko is a good example of this working.

But the drawbacks are huge: lack of control, maybe the player never returns... etc.

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#103 Walter Sobchak
September 17 2013, 03:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Game Centre is great on iPad and you can stream it to your big screen TV using Air Play if you have an Apple TV.

Thanks DSF

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#104 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:31PM
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pkam wrote:

That is Romulus' Apotheosis's comment, not mine.

I know the Oilers do not own Rajala's rights anymore when they put him on waiver and bought him out.

I just wonder why they keep Abney but release Rajala. Unless Rajala already decides he is not coming back to NHL, it makes no sense.

I think JG was responding to both of us here.

In the Matty article I linked Howson says he didn't want to hang on to Rajala to clog up the 50 man list.

If the question is why Abney and not Rajala... you have to remember Abney isn't a MacT signing. It's a new regime. My guess is MacT probably doesn't sign Abney (maybe not Ewanyk either).

Also, looking at the Omark/Rajala situation, it seems MacT is willing to let players run, i.e., try for a spot on the Oil or find work elsewhere. I wonder if he would have released Omark a couple of years ago?

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#105 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:34PM
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Bruce gets into a bit more of the CBA nuts and bolts of Rajala's situation here:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/08/23/oilers-release-high-scoring-prospect-7-toni-rajala/

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#107 book¡e
September 17 2013, 04:08PM
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@Jason Gregor

Did they buy him out or just mutually tear up the contract (same thing, but with no cash going his way and no cap impact)?

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#108 Rocket
September 17 2013, 04:23PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Cool thanks for the info.

Interesting times in Oilerville.

Also, I totally agree on Jones.

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#109 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 17 2013, 04:29PM
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I was the premier Water Polo player in all of Canada, until my horse drowned.

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#110 Dog Train
September 17 2013, 04:37PM
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This should be a bigger test for the Oilers tonight. We should see some separation in the roster battles.

It's interesting to hear Jones' comments on Eakins and how he differs from Krueger and Renney. The time for talk is over and it's time to start winning.

I'll say 4-2 Jets. Goals by Yakupov and Jones.

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#111 pkam
September 17 2013, 04:37PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He asked to get out. It was mutual, both sides agreed. Simple. Nothing more to it. It makes sense. You don't want a player who doesn't want to be here, and Rajala was not close to being an NHL player, and most likely never will be.

The Oilers currently have 47 contracts, (I don't include Nurse or Khaira since when they go to junior they don't count towards 50), so the Oilers had no reason to just buyout Abney. They aren't at max of contracts.

Omark wanted out too, didn't he? And I believe probably Hartikainen too. But Oilers choose to hang on to them.

Is Omark any better than Rajala? If you ask me, they are about the same size but Rajala skates better and is younger so I'll give the edge to Rajala.

Not saying that Rajala will make NHL, but I think Rajala definitely has better chance of making the NHL than Abney.

It only makes sense to me if they know for sure that Rajala will not return to NHL because it is hard to believe Abney is more likely to make NHL than Rajala.

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#112 Mikey
September 17 2013, 04:44PM
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pkam wrote:

I don't think Subban is better than Drew Doughty though, and probably not better than Letang. He may later but at least not now.

They are about the same in my books (Doughty and Subban) They both had a really good year, and are solid D. With Subban at this moment in time a better player. Cause you know, he just won the "Best defender" award.

As for Letang... I take Subban over him erry day. I like my D men to be able to do more than just get points (which subban is better at)

Letang G44 A165 .54PPG

PK G32 A82 .56 PPG

PK hits hard, and is hated by everyone, except people in Montreal. Wish the oilers had someone like that....

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#113 pkam
September 17 2013, 04:45PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think JG was responding to both of us here.

In the Matty article I linked Howson says he didn't want to hang on to Rajala to clog up the 50 man list.

If the question is why Abney and not Rajala... you have to remember Abney isn't a MacT signing. It's a new regime. My guess is MacT probably doesn't sign Abney (maybe not Ewanyk either).

Also, looking at the Omark/Rajala situation, it seems MacT is willing to let players run, i.e., try for a spot on the Oil or find work elsewhere. I wonder if he would have released Omark a couple of years ago?

Neither Omark or Hartikainen or Abney are MacT's signing, but he choose to qualify Martikainen and agree to release Rajala.

I am interested to know if MacT would have released Omark a couple of year ago too because there is a lot of similarities between him and Rajala.

Neither of them have much chance in our top 6, but I believe Rajala has more trade value than Omark. He is only 22 but already light up the minors in his 1st year. Still has 2 year of ELC and 4 years of RFA left.

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#114 Mikey
September 17 2013, 04:55PM
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pkam wrote:

Subban's ppg was much better last year with Markov than the year before without Markov. Is there any data comparing his possession metrics in these two years?

Letang would be top 10 the year before, would anyone think Subban was top 10 the year before?

We will find out this year how much of Subban's improvement is related to help from Markov. Before this, I will put Letang ahead of Subban.

Hall was top 10 last year, what about the year before?

Its all in the age and experiance. Letang has been in the league longer.

You're right tho, this will be a very good telling year to see which one is "better"

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#115 MessyEH!
September 17 2013, 05:02PM
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http://m.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-paajarvi-honing-defensive-skills/article_cafcfb51-b0c0-53dd-b03d-1b234c6cd59d.html?mobile_touch=true

MPS may come back to haunt to us. It's interesting to read what the St Louis media see him as.

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#116 pkam
September 17 2013, 05:03PM
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Mikey wrote:

Hall was top 10 last year, what about the year before?

Its all in the age and experiance. Letang has been in the league longer.

You're right tho, this will be a very good telling year to see which one is "better"

The reason I didn't put Subban ahead of Letang is because of Markov.

Subban is much bigger this year than the year before. How much is it related to the presence of Markov?

A year ago, nobody would put Subban ahead of Letang. Letang didn't regress. But will Subban without Markov? Only time will tell.

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#117 John Chambers
September 17 2013, 05:29PM
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pkam wrote:

The reason I didn't put Subban ahead of Letang is because of Markov.

Subban is much bigger this year than the year before. How much is it related to the presence of Markov?

A year ago, nobody would put Subban ahead of Letang. Letang didn't regress. But will Subban without Markov? Only time will tell.

Subban plays primarily with Josh Gorges. Hes also two years younger than Letang who was paired most often last season with former Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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#119 Fresh Mess
September 17 2013, 05:50PM
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Maverick007 wrote:

What about Gordon, what about Ferrence?

Solid role players on paper. Have no idea if they will work out or not (remember Belanger?) I hope they do. I like the players but horrible overpays by MacTavish.

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#121 Fresh Mess
September 17 2013, 05:55PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He asked to get out. It was mutual, both sides agreed. Simple. Nothing more to it. It makes sense. You don't want a player who doesn't want to be here, and Rajala was not close to being an NHL player, and most likely never will be.

The Oilers currently have 47 contracts, (I don't include Nurse or Khaira since when they go to junior they don't count towards 50), so the Oilers had no reason to just buyout Abney. They aren't at max of contracts.

Did they actually buy him out, or did they mutually agree to just terminate the contract? I don't mean to split hairs. I just want to know.

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#122 pkam
September 17 2013, 06:06PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Not sure why you are obsessed with Abney. He has NOTHING to do with Rajala. The Oilers had room for both. Please understand this.

And Rajala is not better than Omark. Rajala was never in the NHL, he can't return to a place he has never been. Let it go, he wasn't a top prospect, not close in fact.

Hartikainen didn't have a contract, the Oilers qualified him and kept his rights because he has played in the NHL, just like Omark had and both were better prospects when they left to Europe.

I think I am more disappointed that Oilers let Rajala go than obsessed with Abney. I really wish to watch Rajala play a few NHL games before letting him go.

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#123 oilerjed
September 17 2013, 06:09PM
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anybody have a usable link to watch the game? Gamecenter is'nt showing it either

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#124 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 17 2013, 06:09PM
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@Ivan Drago

.....says the guy who can barely afford to pay attention. Might want to run that possible expense by your trophy (guess they can't all be first place, eh Ivan?) wife first. May want to start saving the allowance she gives you.

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#125 DSF
September 17 2013, 06:24PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Thanks DSF

No problem.

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#126 TonyT
September 17 2013, 06:41PM
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Only been 19 minutes, but I already see improvement in their defensive zone coverage.

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#127 BGH
September 17 2013, 06:45PM
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No love for me on oilers website either. Jets however is working......

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#128 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 06:54PM
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@pkam

If you are a frequenter in the blog circuit, you'd already know that a ton of bright hockey minds were very high on Subban before Markov came back, in fact calling him Weber-esque based on his performance BEFORE his Norris season.

Did you read those links, errrr?

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#129 Thumby
September 17 2013, 07:26PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

They have stars?

Don't you love it when a "genious" uses words he can't spell?

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#130 oilersOne
September 17 2013, 07:31PM
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Here we go again! The oil barely beat the lames in one of two split squad games. Arguably against the absolute worst team and franchise as far as depth goes in the entire league :( Now they are getting pumped by the Jets!! I think we are spinning tires but going in reverse! Season prediction... Lotto pick, again! I have been right on all my predictions made based of the lack lustre preseason performance the last three years. Enough said.

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#131 konst16
September 17 2013, 07:37PM
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Despite the warnings that, being in vancouver, I would be "blacked out" of todays peg game.. I tried, and its working right now.

Well, if you consider this laggy ass feed "working".

Too funny if they are blocking people in their defined "market", but are still letting in bums like me living in hong'couver.

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#132 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 17 2013, 07:45PM
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At the game right now. Interesting to see Jones wearing an A.

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#133 DSF
September 17 2013, 07:46PM
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konst16 wrote:

Despite the warnings that, being in vancouver, I would be "blacked out" of todays peg game.. I tried, and its working right now.

Well, if you consider this laggy ass feed "working".

Too funny if they are blocking people in their defined "market", but are still letting in bums like me living in hong'couver.

Racist comments are unnecessary.

If you don't like the city....move.

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#134 Genious
September 17 2013, 07:47PM
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Thumby wrote:

Don't you love it when a "genious" uses words he can't spell?

maybe he was being SARCASTIC REtREAD!!!

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#135 Genious
September 17 2013, 07:47PM
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Thumby wrote:

Don't you love it when a "genious" uses words he can't spell?

maybe he was being SARCASTIC REtREAD!!!

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#136 Wonger
September 17 2013, 08:10PM
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Little Brett GALLANT NYIslanders gave McGrattan all he could handle in Regina. HE CAN ALSO PLAY hockey!!!!! can we get him MACT PLEASE!!!!!!

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#137 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 17 2013, 08:21PM
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@oilersOne

You did read the rosters, right? The Oil are essentially icing an AHL team tonight.

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#138 konst16
September 17 2013, 08:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Racist comments are unnecessary.

If you don't like the city....move.

Quite the contrary, sunshine. I quite like it here and the people in it. I live here because I *choose* too, and right now I wouldn't choose anywhere else in the world (assuming its a decent snow year anyway).

I'm calling myself a "bum" because I live far away and never go to games. ie. tier 2 fan.

Turns out some of the pet names for the city I love are border line racial slurs, so in the name of helping you deal with your anger issues, I'll try to keep them to myself.

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#139 jetsfan
September 17 2013, 08:29PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

You did read the rosters, right? The Oil are essentially icing an AHL team tonight.

Yakupov, Gagner, Petry, Smid, all part of your AHL team I assume? Sureee..

Any team the Oil comes up with will get spanked here in winnipeg. The rookie tourny, the preseason, first regular season game come Oct 1st. Been a nice few results thus far.

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#140 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 17 2013, 08:31PM
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@jetsfan

3/10. Your troll-fu needs work, grasshopper. There is a powerful shaman by the name of DSF, he can show you the way.

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#141 jetsfan
September 17 2013, 08:34PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

3/10. Your troll-fu needs work, grasshopper. There is a powerful shaman by the name of DSF, he can show you the way.

I'm not trolling I'm just saying, the results speak for themselves no? If your excuse is going to be that it's an AHL lineup and the Oilers are missing the best players, then the same can be said for the opposition missing Ladd Little Wheeler. So that's a wash.

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#142 StHenriOilBomb
September 17 2013, 08:34PM
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Didn't want to say it earlier and jinx it, but I am in Montreal, and just watched the game on Oilers.com. No complaints here!

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#143 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 17 2013, 08:41PM
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The Oil are missing four of their top six forwards and their starting goalie. You must be trolling, no?

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#144 DSF
September 17 2013, 08:45PM
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konst16 wrote:

Quite the contrary, sunshine. I quite like it here and the people in it. I live here because I *choose* too, and right now I wouldn't choose anywhere else in the world (assuming its a decent snow year anyway).

I'm calling myself a "bum" because I live far away and never go to games. ie. tier 2 fan.

Turns out some of the pet names for the city I love are border line racial slurs, so in the name of helping you deal with your anger issues, I'll try to keep them to myself.

Thanks.

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#145 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 17 2013, 08:51PM
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The oil were very obviously in over their head on this one. A few thoughts:

- Yakupov was the best player on the ice. He played most of the last 3 minutes, and deserved every second.

- I was on the fence on Omark until tonight. Count me firmly among the "he'll never be an NHLer" folks

- Jesse Joensuu had no idea what the hell was going on at the best of times

- I did manage to pick up on Eakins' new defensive system a couple times and it gives me some hope for the season

- Lander caught my eye a few times, and I was quite impressed with his strong work along the boards

- For those of you who are reading the comments without having watched the game, don't let the boxscore fool you. The oilers had no business being within 2 goals of the Jets on this one.

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#146 jetsfan
September 17 2013, 08:53PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

The Oil are missing four of their top six forwards and their starting goalie. You must be trolling, no?

The Jets are missing three of their top six forwards and Pavs *shouldn't* be a starting goalie. Again, the difference isn't as much as you're trying to make it seem. A loss is a loss, no need to concoct the "so and so wasn't playing" excuse.

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#147 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 17 2013, 09:03PM
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@jetsfan

I wasn't making excuses for the loss, if you actually read my original comment, you'd see I was replying to a poster who has the Oilers pegged for a lotto pick this year. My point was, the Oilers are playing terrible, yes, but don't decide the season is lost over one pre-season game that doesn't even feature all of the Oilers top end talent.

Now get back in your holes, you filthy Jets fans.

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#148 Bushed
September 17 2013, 09:07PM
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datFOZ wrote:

WTF does Subban's perceived (yes, perceived, you have NO idea what he's like personally) attitude have to do with you, or with his ability to be the best defender in the NHL last year?

I will agree that Kronwall and Phaneuf are overrated, but Subban is a legitimate Weber-calibre defender, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is simply incorrect.

Re-read carefully and you will understand that I did not say Subban could not play defense.

By the way, you have no idea what he is like personally, either. But you obviously didn't pay attention to the many reports of Subban's on-ice antics. You don't have to agree with them (it's called an opinion, and people are allowed to have ones that differ from yours without responding with "WTF").

You love Subban. Great.

I prefer Doughty and others.

Get over it, it's just a hockey blog...

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#150 Rod from Viking
September 17 2013, 09:22PM
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Truth wrote:

Strictly going off some of Joenssu's comments and video of him fighting in NY when a teammate got hammered, I think he would drop the mitts if necessary. I would guess the Oilers coaching staff had the no-fight order on last weekend. There were numerous times the Flames fighters challenged Oilers and no response. I would assume Eakins wants the players to make the team on the merit of their ability to play hockey. Fighting to make the squad, like WHL open tryouts years ago, doesn't seem to be Eakin's thing.

Jackman was picking on Nurse all game in Edmonton. Would love to see Nurse tune him in 4-5 years from now if Jackman still has a career, hopefully in Calgary.

Brown challenged Jackman early in the second period and he declined, besides Widemans hit and Halls hit on McGratton it wasn't a very physical game.

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