GDB -6: JETTING TO WINNIPEG

Jason Gregor
September 17 2013 08:00AM

The Oilers will have their pregame skate in Edmonton this morning, and then fly to Winnipeg this afternoon to take on the Jets. That would never happen in the regular season, but that's life in the preseason.

For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game.

After Saturday's split-squad games vs. the Flames the Oilers have had a few days to try and learn Eakins new systems. It will take a few games before every player is completely comfortable with the new system, so expect a few defensive breakdowns.

 When you look down tonight's roster it seems easy to pick who falls into the category of veteran sharpening his skill, bubble boys and guys destined for reassignment.

LINEUP

Jones-Gagner-Omark
Joensuu-Lander-Pitlick
R. Hamilton-Arcobello-Yakupov
Moroz-Martindale-Abney

Smid-Petry
Grebeshkov-Klefbom
Larsen-Davidson

LaBarbera
Bachman

Gagner, Jones, Yakupov, Smid, Petry, Grebeshkov and LaBarbera are safe bets to be on the team.

Lander, Joensuu, Omark, Hamilton, Arcobello and Larsen are in battle for a roster spot up front or on the backend.

Martindale, Abney, Bachman, Pitlick and Davidson will be heading to OKC eventually.

It looks like Klefbom will start the season in OKC, which will allow him to get comfortable to the North American game, and I won't be surprised if his recalled at some point this season.

Moroz will be heading back to junior, likely on Wednesday, and get set for the Oil Kings season opener this coming Friday.

Joensuu, Hamilton and Arcobello had strong first games, but playing well early in preseason isn't as important as playing well late when the rosters are filled with more NHL caliber players. They will need to build on their strong start to stay ahead of the pack.

Omark, Lander and Larsen were okay in their debuts, but a strong performance tonight could put them right back on track. Tonight is Pitlick's first opportunity to impress the coaches, and he feels he is ready to take a serious run at a roster spot. Davidson has impressed early in camp, but he'll need some more seasoning in the AHL before he's ready for a regular

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the Oilers website at 6 p.m. MST.

JETS LINEUP...

Tonight's lineup will come from this group of forwards and D-men. It sounds like the top three lines and top four D-men will dress, and then the 4th line and final D pairing will be decided at the morning skate. When I get confirmation I will edit the lineup to the usual 18 skaters.

***Edit*** Here is the Jets lineup.***

Kane-Jokinen-Setoguchi
Wright-Scheifele-Frolik
Telegin-Slater-Peluso
Tangradi-O'Dell-Klingberg


Byfuglien-Clitsome
Stuart-Postma
Trouba-Melchiori

Pavelec
Montoya

DALLAS THE DOER

Yesterday on my radio show, Ryan Jones talked about gaining confidence, trying to get back to his style of play and the impact Eakins has had on the organization. 

Jason Gregor: It’s pre-season and I’m not sure if there are any studies that say that if you score in the pre-season, it carries over but it’s always good to score for a guy like you. Does it build confidence when you get a goal early in the pre-season?  

Ryan Jones: It has to. Even if you score in shinny hockey or in practise you get a little bit more confidence. So it has to. You know what, that goal just reiterates what I have to do to be a successful player.  

I’ve said all along that I’m trying to get back to the way that I was playing a couple of years ago which made me successful and that’s exactly what I did in the exhibition game; just be a pain in the ass. Sorry, can I say that? Be a pain in the butt [laughs], get to the front of the net because there are so many guys throughout this line-up who are so good with the puck and there is no sense in me, once I can get in there. Bang a body, get the puck on their stick, it’s useless for me to crowd those guys.  

So to get in front of the net, to crowd that net area, to allow them to have a little bit of space, to allow them to bring it to the net is the most ideal thing that I can do. Especially when I’m playing with [David] Perron. Once I got in, I made a hit and the puck goes to him there’s no sense in following that guy around. He’s skilled enough to make plays and get it into the net so I just made it a point to put my butt in the goalie’s face and try to make as much havoc as I could. We had a tonne of grade ‘A’ scoring chances out of me doing it.  

Gregor: Do the goalies look smaller with the smaller pads? Have you noticed it at all?  

Jones: It’s funny because when we were skating in Minnesota and Josh Harding wore them, I thought that he looked tiny. When he put his pads together and stood in the net, it just looked like there was so much open net. Other than that one time, I haven’t really noticed.  

You know what? They all look gigantic in there. It seems like every time I come down to shoot there are very little openings but like I said, that’s not my game. Usually they’re on their back or their sides or their knees when I’m chipping pucks in so they pretty much all look the same for me.  

Gregor: Dallas Eakins has come in and made some subtle things; the locker room is different, the pictures are down, he has a big focus on nutrition, he’s a real task master on wanting the guys to be in shape. Did this team need a real culture change and have you noticed it from your head coach?  

Jones: I have noticed it. You want to know what, there are doers and talkers and we’ve unfortunately had a lot of people who were great talkers. And I mean even to you guys, they answered all of the questions the right way but it seemed like it was never different in the room compared to when I came here all of the way through last year.

Yeah we got a little bit better, we got younger, we got more skilled, but even in the locker room with the guys there were a lot of guys who seemed to talk the right game but nothing ever seemed to get done.

I haven’t heard Dallas say very many words outside of what you guys ask him, but he just does everything. He shows us in this locker room what he wants to be done by example. He wants something done, he goes out there, he shows us, we do it. And he demands that out of us. That’s what this locker room needs. He’s going to demand everything out of everybody and Dallas, as far as I can tell, is exactly that guy. From what I’ve heard, and briefly seen, he’s a player’s coach, he’s demanding and his accountability is second to none.
 

Gregor: He talked earlier about how he likes longer practices and he likes to push guys. What did you think about the practice?  

Jones: [Laughs] They are fairly long, but you know what, they’re detailed and you’re not just out there wasting time. You’re never out there just doing a shooting drill to do a shooting drill. Everything that we did out there on the ice today was a team game, some sort of aspect of what we’re going to need to do to win and be a successful team. At the end we got to do a shoot a puck but everything else was a backcheck or a forecheck or faceoffs. There’s no wasted time when you’re out there and that’s good because it keeps you on your toes and it keeps your mind in every single practice, that’s what we need. We can’t have any guys sleeping at any point in time. 

PARTING SHOTS....

Jones' comments on Eakins being a doer, and not just a talker spoke volumes. I think we'd all agree that for the past few seasons we've heard a lot of talk, but we never saw the action match the words.

Eakins has shown he isn't afraid to make changes. Will changing the paint and decor of a room make the Oilers play better on the ice, unlikely, but it illustrates that Eakins won't be sticking with the status quo. Yesterday's practice was uptempo the entire time, and it will be interesting to watch how they practice throughout the year.

I've written on many occasions the past few years how different the Oilers practices were compared to other teams. Chicago and Detroit had quicker paced practices, especially their puck drills.

He wants to change the culture in his dressing room, and he will make his players more accountable on the ice. He's outlined a new workout routine that he expects the players to follow. He's given them an outline for what he expects on practice days, as well as game days.

Some players won't be impacted by the changes, because many of them had pre-skate work out routines as well as post-game routines, but it will be different for some. It is no longer optional.

  • ESPN ranked the top-50 D-men in the NHL and J.Schultz was the only Oiler to crack the list at #40. I was surprised to see Ekman-Larsson and McDonagh ahead of Pietrangelo, albeit only a few spots, but overall I'd agree with most of the rankings. Your thoughts? Schultz is ranked a bit high, if you go off last seasons numbers, but I suspect they added his potential when ranking him. His overall game will be much better this year compared to last season.

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#51 Truth
September 17 2013, 09:01AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I'm sure they think they have a good reason(s), but I can't think what it would be.

This just works to drive fans away, frustrate their experience, stifle their enthusiasm... and it is just plain "old media" thinking. It's like we are being transported back to the days of suing Napster.

Oh and... all this does is shave advertising potential away from the NHL and drive up the market for piracy.

The NHL must get a decent cut from NHL Center Ice. Having satellite for many years I used to watch all Canadian teams' games on the various regions of Sportsnet. NHL Center Ice becomes available and all of a sudden there is regional blackouts. Unsurprisingly, you can watch games on Center Ice that are blacked out in your region. Unbelievably frustrating.

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#52 Where's Your Towel
September 17 2013, 11:16AM
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I know all about VPN services, and I do appreciate the recommendations of good providers. I think what irks me the most is the idea that they do not allow me to just pay directly for what I want.

If I want to pay the NHL to watch my favourite team's games on the internet, it seems like bad business for them to say no.

Ideally, I should be able to purchase a bulk of game tokens which I expend to watch the games I want regardless of region.

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#53 David S
September 17 2013, 12:07PM
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*Drops mic*

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#54 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:04PM
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As for Gregor's confusion as to why OEL is ranked below Pietrangelo... I rate OEL higher too, I don't think its that farfetched at all. OEL gets no love because he's in PHX, but that guy is a stud. I'd trade Eberle+ for him in a NY minute.

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#55 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 02:28PM
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Rocket wrote:

So how much will RNH get paid?

I would rather a long term deal with less money than a shorter more expensive contract. True #1 centres are not that easy to get so I think locking Nuge up for at least 6 years would be pretty cool.

Also, Ryan Jones needs to prove this season that he belongs on The Oilers. No more cheating for offense but quality 2-way play. And if he can bring the grit all the better.

These post ELC contracts for big time players don't usually work that way.

Usually you pay the big money all along in order to buy long term (see Hall's contract), or you pay considerably less for a short "bridge contract" (see Subban), where the team isn't sure the player will pan out completely and the player doesn't want to lock in and restrict earning potential.

It's only with more established free agents that you can shave down the $$ by offering longer term, because more vet players are looking for security and have more than likely reached their peak.

I couldn't agree more BTW. I'd love to have him locked in long term.

Oh and Jones. I wish him all the best, but I think MacT could have done better with that roster spot and for that money. If he can prove me wrong, few will be more excited than me.

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#58 WIMPY
September 17 2013, 10:09PM
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madjam wrote:

Oilers showed better than expected considering our lineup . Veterans showed rust and mistakes . Landers , Grebs and Omark did little to impress making opening roster . Gagner seemed to be slow a foot and not efficient on faceoffs . He is capable of much better . Bachman played well . Most disturbing is another loss , while arch rival Flames rip off back to back wins against the Isles . Eakins has got to be concerned with mounting losses even if it is early . Once again we got pushed around a lot physically . We seem to have nothing physically to hurt other clubs like they can hurt us .

get used to it!! OIL not interested in guys who can FIGHT! Flames and others look for it! Until most of your team can go you will be pushed around. Of course, having a MCGRATTAN in your lineup makes everybod 4 inches taller and 30lbs heavier. OIL management doesn't get this so it's going to be another LONG YEAR!!! MOST IF THE OILERS ARE FAIRIES and DAFODILS and I am a sucker that pays to watch them pushed around nightly!!!

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#59 Mike Krushelnyski
September 17 2013, 08:54AM
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Jason, what happens to Omark if he gets cut? Does he go on waivers, straight to OKC, or back to Europe?

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 09:12AM
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Truth wrote:

The NHL must get a decent cut from NHL Center Ice. Having satellite for many years I used to watch all Canadian teams' games on the various regions of Sportsnet. NHL Center Ice becomes available and all of a sudden there is regional blackouts. Unsurprisingly, you can watch games on Center Ice that are blacked out in your region. Unbelievably frustrating.

You are probably right. Center Ice/Game Center probably have a lot to do with it...

But I still -- even in those cases -- don't follow the argument for regional blackouts. I mean obviously it is some kind of collusion between the broadcasters, cable providers and the NHL to get you to pay for everything... but it is really outdated thinking in the on-demand world.

And... that still doesn't explain why you would block exhibition games.

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#61 Bill
September 17 2013, 10:11AM
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I liked hearing Jones' comments about Eakins. The mention of a lot of talk & no action confirms how it looked from the outside. The 2 previous coaches here were downright eloquent in front of the media, especially Krueger. Too bad coaching isn't limited to sounding impressive in front of the media, because Krueger would have a Jack Adams on his mantle if that were the case.

I think Krueger's hire was a huge mistake that delayed the team's progress. He was Renney's guy, and from the outside at least, his tenure looked like Renney 2.0.

Kelly Buchberger somehow survived Krueger's dismissal, but I have to think that he'll be gone if Eakins doesn't find him useful. Same goes with Smith.

I'm totally on board with Eakins so far, it remains to be seen how the team responds in terms of preparedness for games and in terms of deploying his systems.

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#62 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 17 2013, 10:35AM
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I can't stand the regional blackout rules. I cancelled my cable back in 2011 when they implemented them because hockey was the only reason why I had it in the first place. Now I can (legally) only watch about 1/4 - 1/3 of the Oilers games without paying through the nose for CentreIce, which requires me to pay for basic cable.

I'm more than content to stream from illegal sources.

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#63 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:37PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

How does that hurt the Flames? They are in a lotto hunt and can keep their kids safe during a rebuild. Something we should've did.

The introduction of a McGratton isn't going to prevent Hall from fighting Dorsett, nor is it going to prevent RNH from skating into the boards, nor is it going to prevent Eberle from picking his toe and hurting his knee, or breaking his finger for that matter.

So.... what's your point?

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#64 pkam
September 17 2013, 01:43PM
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datFOZ wrote:

The introduction of a McGratton isn't going to prevent Hall from fighting Dorsett, nor is it going to prevent RNH from skating into the boards, nor is it going to prevent Eberle from picking his toe and hurting his knee, or breaking his finger for that matter.

So.... what's your point?

I believe his point is to add an enforcer who can't play to help securing that 1st overall.

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#65 pkam
September 17 2013, 02:26PM
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"For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game. "

My question is which category does Abney fall into? He has played 2 pro seasons and barely made it to the ECHL and a constant scratch. What does the management want to see that they haven't in the last 2 years? It'll be a miracle if he can even make it to the AHL. Should've been cut with the 1st group imo. The Oilers should've release him and save his roster spot to keep the right of Rajala.

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#66 Will
September 17 2013, 03:03PM
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Since I'm either watching a game with friends at their house or a bar, for times I have it on at my house by my self, I just find a stream online, then sink it up with the Oilers radio network.

It reminds me of the days you'd turn the volume on the tv off, then turn Phillips on the radio up.

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#68 MessyEH!
September 17 2013, 03:13PM
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ColourMeImpressed wrote:

Subban is like a young Phaneuf. Lots of flash, lots of bad positioning.

I waz on aware that Dion Phaneuf ever won a Norris.

Look at the Norris trophy winners of the past and show me one "flash in the pan in the last 40 years. This isn't the Vezina. Or Rocket Richard. The Norris is BONAFIDE.

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#69 michael
September 18 2013, 06:05AM
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I'll put the over/under on the amount of fights that the Oilers engage in this year at 15. Its not going be a rock'em sockem kinda year . At all.

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#70 Manfly
September 18 2013, 07:30AM
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unless the players buy in, the players will be gone! if this is what it takes to make a soft team into winners then i hope they give Dallas the green light to do whatever it takes to win.

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#71 Bushed
September 17 2013, 09:54AM
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Kronwall, Subban, and Phaneuf are all way over-rated in the ESPN list (especially Kronwall).

Lots of guys lower on the list I'd rather have on my team than any of those three (Subban mostly because of his mouth and attitude, admittedly. If he could grow up and shut up, I'd like him a lot better.)

Not saying these guys wouldn't make the list, but I'd put them all a lot lower than ESPN.

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#72 justDOit
September 17 2013, 09:58AM
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Anybody see this:http://imgur.com/DD2rhV7

That's the Panthers preseason opener, an afternoon affair. Gilbert will do well there.

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#73 OilClog
September 17 2013, 11:17AM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

Welcome back. Imo Brownlee banned you for small, small potatoes.

I have to leave him alone (as per orders), but potatoes are delicious.

I can see Eakins putting a no fight order in place, but IMO Joenssu still could of responded to the hit. Send a quick message out.. "I'll bash your face, then power move to the net and score"

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#74 David S
September 17 2013, 11:33AM
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I just go over to Lowetide's site. Guaranteed someone in the comments section ALWAYS posts the streaming feeds in the game day thread. ATDHE (you have to Google it) is the local favorite, but there's others too.

What's really bugging me is I'm seeing out-of-market games on glorious HD while we have to ghetto Oilers pre-season broadcats? What's up with that?

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#75 Maverick007
September 17 2013, 11:40AM
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Any hockey game, any sporting event, you can watch for free here. http://www.stopstream.tv/

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#76 Lloyd B.
September 17 2013, 11:51AM
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Here's a good one. I live in the Edmonton area but work across the country. So when I'm in Manitoba and an Oilers game is on I can't access it because of the blackout. Drives me crazy.

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#77 Fresh Mess
September 17 2013, 12:10PM
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For me Eakins is a blank slate, and that is a good thing. I haven't been impressed with MacT's moves aside from the masterful offloading of Horcoff's contract. Signing Jones was a very good move IMO. Signing freakinGrebeshkov not so much.

Eakin's gets a fresh start to try and do something with this roster. After this season he's going to be a bit more grey and have a higher hairline. I wish him luck.

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#78 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 12:37PM
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Bushed wrote:

Kronwall, Subban, and Phaneuf are all way over-rated in the ESPN list (especially Kronwall).

Lots of guys lower on the list I'd rather have on my team than any of those three (Subban mostly because of his mouth and attitude, admittedly. If he could grow up and shut up, I'd like him a lot better.)

Not saying these guys wouldn't make the list, but I'd put them all a lot lower than ESPN.

WTF does Subban's perceived (yes, perceived, you have NO idea what he's like personally) attitude have to do with you, or with his ability to be the best defender in the NHL last year?

I will agree that Kronwall and Phaneuf are overrated, but Subban is a legitimate Weber-calibre defender, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is simply incorrect.

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#79 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
September 17 2013, 12:50PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

Calgary beating Edm in the standings had nothing to do with their goalie, right? So can you explain to me why, even in all those games with Smacintyre, Hemsky was still getting run by every goon in the league, AND we still finished at the bottom?

Besides, if Joensu fights Wideman, who says he has to fight McGratten? He can skate away like the entire league did when Macintyre went looking for a fight after the fact.

As for the whole online video streaming: garbage. It didn't work for me out in Saskatoon. The whole system seems to be set up to make it difficult/expensive to get what you want legally (Game of Thrones style). If gigantic media corporations are gonna give me the runaround, and try to make obscene profits by screwing me, then I'm not going to play their games, especially when other options exist. I'll happily pay a reasonable amount for what I will actually use, but I'm not into paying way more money for crap I neither want nor will use.

Btw, I've purchased both seasons of G of T once available. And spent hundreds (probably thousands) on Oilers jerseys/tickets over the last 20 years. If anyone thinks I'm 'stealing' from the NhL, the Oilers or HBO, they have a very narrow vision of reality that I can't respect.

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#80 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 01:28PM
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@pkam

Subban had top-flight possession numbers without Markov the full season before.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/7/29/3196635/pk-subban-is-a-bad-person-and-oel-is-a-wimp

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/4/12/2943259/young-defenseman-comparisons-nhl

Read the second one especially.

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#81 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:19PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@PKAM

The Oilers do NOT own Rajala's rights...He is a free agent, because they bought him out. It was a mutual agreement. He asked to go to make more money in Europe.

His route is not an incentive for prospects.

Hartikainen and Omark were qualified, but didn't have an actual contract and that is why the Oilers maintained their rights.

That is Romulus' Apotheosis's comment, not mine.

I know the Oilers do not own Rajala's rights anymore when they put him on waiver and bought him out.

I just wonder why they keep Abney but release Rajala. Unless Rajala already decides he is not coming back to NHL, it makes no sense.

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#82 Walter Sobchak
September 17 2013, 03:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Game Centre is great on iPad and you can stream it to your big screen TV using Air Play if you have an Apple TV.

Thanks DSF

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#83 Thumby
September 17 2013, 07:26PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

They have stars?

Don't you love it when a "genious" uses words he can't spell?

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#84 konst16
September 17 2013, 08:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Racist comments are unnecessary.

If you don't like the city....move.

Quite the contrary, sunshine. I quite like it here and the people in it. I live here because I *choose* too, and right now I wouldn't choose anywhere else in the world (assuming its a decent snow year anyway).

I'm calling myself a "bum" because I live far away and never go to games. ie. tier 2 fan.

Turns out some of the pet names for the city I love are border line racial slurs, so in the name of helping you deal with your anger issues, I'll try to keep them to myself.

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#85 DSF
September 17 2013, 08:45PM
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konst16 wrote:

Quite the contrary, sunshine. I quite like it here and the people in it. I live here because I *choose* too, and right now I wouldn't choose anywhere else in the world (assuming its a decent snow year anyway).

I'm calling myself a "bum" because I live far away and never go to games. ie. tier 2 fan.

Turns out some of the pet names for the city I love are border line racial slurs, so in the name of helping you deal with your anger issues, I'll try to keep them to myself.

Thanks.

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#86 madjam
September 17 2013, 10:54PM
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I prefer Hall at center over Gagner . He has the attitude and drive to be successful there . Looked good on faceoff circle as well , just needs to be a little sharper defensively . We certainly have the type of wingers to compliment him . Just got to add some NHL size and grit still .

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#87 Ivan Drago
September 18 2013, 08:16AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Eakins will make it all better. Just like the three coaches in three years before him. It is different this time.

Enjoy your kool-aid.

Unless the players buy in Eakinis will be gone in short order also.

How do you figure Eakins will be gone? Why should he be gone? For one, it's pre-season, the team isn't even made up yet and in your view the players aren't buying in. That makes zero sense. Two, after 5 yrs and 6 coaches, maybe you have to realize it's not necessarily the coaches fault. Maybe the roster players should be looked at. Which falls on the GM, who has been in that position for a matter of months, and many players are gone with new ones in. Did MacT address every problem right away, no, but he damn sure tried. With the cap going down this year, it really handcuffed him.

Bottom line, saying Eakins will be gone in short order after 2 pre season games is plain stupid. Get your head out of the sand, Dallas is no daisy, like Renney and Krueger. The players will buy in or be gone before he is.

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#88 DSF
September 17 2013, 10:13AM
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geoilersgist wrote:

This is actually a very useful service, however people looking for *free* hockey still have to pay for gamecentre and $5/month for unblock-us.

Seriously though the $5/month is worth it without gamecentre. American netflix is great...

Hulu Plus is even better.

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#90 OilClog
September 17 2013, 11:56AM
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So if McGratton is dressed, we tuck tail and cower.. Check.

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#91 ColourMeImpressed
September 17 2013, 12:09PM
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why does Yak keep getting stuck with Invisobello?

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#92 master of my domain
September 17 2013, 12:56PM
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as for the streaming, I used http://www6.hockeystreams.com/ all last year and it was great. I cancelled my cable years ago and I'm out of market and this gives me all of the games.

it is a pay site, but I found it very worth it. no blackouts, all hockey(nhl,ahl,whl,khl...). but probably the most useful for me, being a night shift guy, is the instant archiving. unlike gamecentre I can watch the game right when I get home from work at 1am instead of having to wait 24-48hrs (unless they changed that).

plus I'm still a little bitter about the constant lockouts so I hate giving my money to gamecentre.

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#93 terranq
September 17 2013, 01:00PM
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@Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!

I'm in Saskatoon as well. I had no issues watching the game from the Oilers website

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#94 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

Didn't McIntyre KO Ivanans of Calgary Flames in 2010-11? Was THE MESSAGE strong enough?

Wonder why Hall had to fight Dorsett and ended his season earlier the same year? I guess Hall must think nobody dared to touch him after McIntyre sent the message with that KO.

That KO was game one. The same night Eberle scored his wondergoal. Evidently, the league didn't get the memo.

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#95 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@PKAM

The Oilers do NOT own Rajala's rights...He is a free agent, because they bought him out. It was a mutual agreement. He asked to go to make more money in Europe.

His route is not an incentive for prospects.

Hartikainen and Omark were qualified, but didn't have an actual contract and that is why the Oilers maintained their rights.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I misremembered them qualifying him.

Here's a pretty detailed explanation from Matty for anyone else looking for more info on the situation (there are comments from Howson)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+farmhand+Toni+Rajala+asks+contract+play+Europe/8829482/story.html

If anyone else is interested (since it is so confusing), as far as the 50 man list goes, it doesn't seem to include Euro players who aren't offered an ELC (I believe), so Hartikainen, Zharkov and the new Russians aren't on it.

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/reserve-list/

As far as incentive goes.. clearly not for Rajala. His only route would be to show big in Europe and come back over, in which case the Oilers could sign him (and would benefit from his development years outside the system)... but it is such a convoluted model that it is hard to imagine anyone "planning" for it.

In the case of Hartikainen, Omark, Zharkov and others, I think it is a pretty attractive model of development. Players get to grow in a top league against men, without taking up a spot on the 50 man. Tarasenko is a good example of this working.

But the drawbacks are huge: lack of control, maybe the player never returns... etc.

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#96 MessyEH!
September 17 2013, 05:02PM
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http://m.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-paajarvi-honing-defensive-skills/article_cafcfb51-b0c0-53dd-b03d-1b234c6cd59d.html?mobile_touch=true

MPS may come back to haunt to us. It's interesting to read what the St Louis media see him as.

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#97 Wonger
September 17 2013, 08:10PM
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Little Brett GALLANT NYIslanders gave McGrattan all he could handle in Regina. HE CAN ALSO PLAY hockey!!!!! can we get him MACT PLEASE!!!!!!

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#98 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 17 2013, 08:51PM
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The oil were very obviously in over their head on this one. A few thoughts:

- Yakupov was the best player on the ice. He played most of the last 3 minutes, and deserved every second.

- I was on the fence on Omark until tonight. Count me firmly among the "he'll never be an NHLer" folks

- Jesse Joensuu had no idea what the hell was going on at the best of times

- I did manage to pick up on Eakins' new defensive system a couple times and it gives me some hope for the season

- Lander caught my eye a few times, and I was quite impressed with his strong work along the boards

- For those of you who are reading the comments without having watched the game, don't let the boxscore fool you. The oilers had no business being within 2 goals of the Jets on this one.

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#99 jetsfan
September 17 2013, 08:53PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

The Oil are missing four of their top six forwards and their starting goalie. You must be trolling, no?

The Jets are missing three of their top six forwards and Pavs *shouldn't* be a starting goalie. Again, the difference isn't as much as you're trying to make it seem. A loss is a loss, no need to concoct the "so and so wasn't playing" excuse.

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#100 madjam
September 17 2013, 09:59PM
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Oilers showed better than expected considering our lineup . Veterans showed rust and mistakes . Landers , Grebs and Omark did little to impress making opening roster . Gagner seemed to be slow a foot and not efficient on faceoffs . He is capable of much better . Bachman played well . Most disturbing is another loss , while arch rival Flames rip off back to back wins against the Isles . Eakins has got to be concerned with mounting losses even if it is early . Once again we got pushed around a lot physically . We seem to have nothing physically to hurt other clubs like they can hurt us .

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