GDB -6: JETTING TO WINNIPEG

Jason Gregor
September 17 2013 08:00AM

The Oilers will have their pregame skate in Edmonton this morning, and then fly to Winnipeg this afternoon to take on the Jets. That would never happen in the regular season, but that's life in the preseason.

For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game.

After Saturday's split-squad games vs. the Flames the Oilers have had a few days to try and learn Eakins new systems. It will take a few games before every player is completely comfortable with the new system, so expect a few defensive breakdowns.

 When you look down tonight's roster it seems easy to pick who falls into the category of veteran sharpening his skill, bubble boys and guys destined for reassignment.

LINEUP

Jones-Gagner-Omark
Joensuu-Lander-Pitlick
R. Hamilton-Arcobello-Yakupov
Moroz-Martindale-Abney

Smid-Petry
Grebeshkov-Klefbom
Larsen-Davidson

LaBarbera
Bachman

Gagner, Jones, Yakupov, Smid, Petry, Grebeshkov and LaBarbera are safe bets to be on the team.

Lander, Joensuu, Omark, Hamilton, Arcobello and Larsen are in battle for a roster spot up front or on the backend.

Martindale, Abney, Bachman, Pitlick and Davidson will be heading to OKC eventually.

It looks like Klefbom will start the season in OKC, which will allow him to get comfortable to the North American game, and I won't be surprised if his recalled at some point this season.

Moroz will be heading back to junior, likely on Wednesday, and get set for the Oil Kings season opener this coming Friday.

Joensuu, Hamilton and Arcobello had strong first games, but playing well early in preseason isn't as important as playing well late when the rosters are filled with more NHL caliber players. They will need to build on their strong start to stay ahead of the pack.

Omark, Lander and Larsen were okay in their debuts, but a strong performance tonight could put them right back on track. Tonight is Pitlick's first opportunity to impress the coaches, and he feels he is ready to take a serious run at a roster spot. Davidson has impressed early in camp, but he'll need some more seasoning in the AHL before he's ready for a regular

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the Oilers website at 6 p.m. MST.

JETS LINEUP...

Tonight's lineup will come from this group of forwards and D-men. It sounds like the top three lines and top four D-men will dress, and then the 4th line and final D pairing will be decided at the morning skate. When I get confirmation I will edit the lineup to the usual 18 skaters.

***Edit*** Here is the Jets lineup.***

Kane-Jokinen-Setoguchi
Wright-Scheifele-Frolik
Telegin-Slater-Peluso
Tangradi-O'Dell-Klingberg


Byfuglien-Clitsome
Stuart-Postma
Trouba-Melchiori

Pavelec
Montoya

DALLAS THE DOER

Yesterday on my radio show, Ryan Jones talked about gaining confidence, trying to get back to his style of play and the impact Eakins has had on the organization. 

Jason Gregor: It’s pre-season and I’m not sure if there are any studies that say that if you score in the pre-season, it carries over but it’s always good to score for a guy like you. Does it build confidence when you get a goal early in the pre-season?  

Ryan Jones: It has to. Even if you score in shinny hockey or in practise you get a little bit more confidence. So it has to. You know what, that goal just reiterates what I have to do to be a successful player.  

I’ve said all along that I’m trying to get back to the way that I was playing a couple of years ago which made me successful and that’s exactly what I did in the exhibition game; just be a pain in the ass. Sorry, can I say that? Be a pain in the butt [laughs], get to the front of the net because there are so many guys throughout this line-up who are so good with the puck and there is no sense in me, once I can get in there. Bang a body, get the puck on their stick, it’s useless for me to crowd those guys.  

So to get in front of the net, to crowd that net area, to allow them to have a little bit of space, to allow them to bring it to the net is the most ideal thing that I can do. Especially when I’m playing with [David] Perron. Once I got in, I made a hit and the puck goes to him there’s no sense in following that guy around. He’s skilled enough to make plays and get it into the net so I just made it a point to put my butt in the goalie’s face and try to make as much havoc as I could. We had a tonne of grade ‘A’ scoring chances out of me doing it.  

Gregor: Do the goalies look smaller with the smaller pads? Have you noticed it at all?  

Jones: It’s funny because when we were skating in Minnesota and Josh Harding wore them, I thought that he looked tiny. When he put his pads together and stood in the net, it just looked like there was so much open net. Other than that one time, I haven’t really noticed.  

You know what? They all look gigantic in there. It seems like every time I come down to shoot there are very little openings but like I said, that’s not my game. Usually they’re on their back or their sides or their knees when I’m chipping pucks in so they pretty much all look the same for me.  

Gregor: Dallas Eakins has come in and made some subtle things; the locker room is different, the pictures are down, he has a big focus on nutrition, he’s a real task master on wanting the guys to be in shape. Did this team need a real culture change and have you noticed it from your head coach?  

Jones: I have noticed it. You want to know what, there are doers and talkers and we’ve unfortunately had a lot of people who were great talkers. And I mean even to you guys, they answered all of the questions the right way but it seemed like it was never different in the room compared to when I came here all of the way through last year.

Yeah we got a little bit better, we got younger, we got more skilled, but even in the locker room with the guys there were a lot of guys who seemed to talk the right game but nothing ever seemed to get done.

I haven’t heard Dallas say very many words outside of what you guys ask him, but he just does everything. He shows us in this locker room what he wants to be done by example. He wants something done, he goes out there, he shows us, we do it. And he demands that out of us. That’s what this locker room needs. He’s going to demand everything out of everybody and Dallas, as far as I can tell, is exactly that guy. From what I’ve heard, and briefly seen, he’s a player’s coach, he’s demanding and his accountability is second to none.
 

Gregor: He talked earlier about how he likes longer practices and he likes to push guys. What did you think about the practice?  

Jones: [Laughs] They are fairly long, but you know what, they’re detailed and you’re not just out there wasting time. You’re never out there just doing a shooting drill to do a shooting drill. Everything that we did out there on the ice today was a team game, some sort of aspect of what we’re going to need to do to win and be a successful team. At the end we got to do a shoot a puck but everything else was a backcheck or a forecheck or faceoffs. There’s no wasted time when you’re out there and that’s good because it keeps you on your toes and it keeps your mind in every single practice, that’s what we need. We can’t have any guys sleeping at any point in time. 

PARTING SHOTS....

Jones' comments on Eakins being a doer, and not just a talker spoke volumes. I think we'd all agree that for the past few seasons we've heard a lot of talk, but we never saw the action match the words.

Eakins has shown he isn't afraid to make changes. Will changing the paint and decor of a room make the Oilers play better on the ice, unlikely, but it illustrates that Eakins won't be sticking with the status quo. Yesterday's practice was uptempo the entire time, and it will be interesting to watch how they practice throughout the year.

I've written on many occasions the past few years how different the Oilers practices were compared to other teams. Chicago and Detroit had quicker paced practices, especially their puck drills.

He wants to change the culture in his dressing room, and he will make his players more accountable on the ice. He's outlined a new workout routine that he expects the players to follow. He's given them an outline for what he expects on practice days, as well as game days.

Some players won't be impacted by the changes, because many of them had pre-skate work out routines as well as post-game routines, but it will be different for some. It is no longer optional.

  • ESPN ranked the top-50 D-men in the NHL and J.Schultz was the only Oiler to crack the list at #40. I was surprised to see Ekman-Larsson and McDonagh ahead of Pietrangelo, albeit only a few spots, but overall I'd agree with most of the rankings. Your thoughts? Schultz is ranked a bit high, if you go off last seasons numbers, but I suspect they added his potential when ranking him. His overall game will be much better this year compared to last season.

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#151 Oiler Al
September 18 2013, 09:30AM
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As much as I always felt that Lowe had his hand on the throttle a lot tighter than was lead to believe, I really think that the tandem of MacT, and especially Eakin, have suggest to Lowe to stay in his office upstairs and enjoy polishing his rings." let us try it our way, because yours over the past years has not worked"

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#152 Spydyr
September 18 2013, 10:04AM
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Spydyr wrote:

NHL Teams Fire Coaches | saupulse.comsaupulse.com www.saupulse.com/2011/12/08/nhl-teams-fire-coaches/‎ Dec 8, 2011 - These changes are not surprising, seeing as NHL coaches have an average tenure of 2.3 seasons behind the bench; this is the lowest average ...

Sorry this is in this format

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#153 Spydyr
September 18 2013, 12:12PM
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OilDieHard wrote:

Oh really, i'm willing to bet that the very top end players, understanding that they are the players this team is depending on, will be more than mature about doing things the way their new coach tells them to do, don't you? oh wait, i guess you are new to the NHL and don't understand this, right?

Yes, it would be the first time players have quit on a coach.Ever.

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#154 madjam
September 18 2013, 12:24PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Spydyr makes a good point. What if one/some/all of the fab 5 don't buy into Dallas' gameplan, you do have your head in the sand if you don't think it will be Eakins who falls on that sword. Where do all these puckers who don't know this, keep coming from.....darn kids.

They are all buying into the system , but they did for Kreuger and others as well . The problem lies in players inabilities to execute good enough for victories . Our defence still vulnerable as well as physical toughness as a group . Our depth is still wanting , and if that does not correct itself little will the overall results become more positive . We are making only miniscule progress so far as I see it - not enough to make us a contender unless something unforeseen happens before season starts - such as an acquisition or two outside current team . .

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#155 pkam
September 17 2013, 02:35PM
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Wonger wrote:

If the coach lets MacIntyre grab the offender and beat the tar out of him, regardless of the penalties, he will probably only have to do this once and THE MESSAGE WILL BE SENT!!!!! Don't MESS WITH THE OIL SKILL!!!!!

Didn't McIntyre KO Ivanans of Calgary Flames in 2010-11? Was THE MESSAGE strong enough?

Wonder why Hall had to fight Dorsett and ended his season earlier the same year? I guess Hall must think nobody dared to touch him after McIntyre sent the message with that KO.

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#156 datFOZ
September 17 2013, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

Didn't McIntyre KO Ivanans of Calgary Flames in 2010-11? Was THE MESSAGE strong enough?

Wonder why Hall had to fight Dorsett and ended his season earlier the same year? I guess Hall must think nobody dared to touch him after McIntyre sent the message with that KO.

That KO was game one. The same night Eberle scored his wondergoal. Evidently, the league didn't get the memo.

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#157 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

"For many of the veterans it is another opportunity to sharpen their skills, while those on the bubble hope to impress Dallas Eakins, and for some it is likely their final preseason game. "

My question is which category does Abney fall into? He has played 2 pro seasons and barely made it to the ECHL and a constant scratch. What does the management want to see that they haven't in the last 2 years? It'll be a miracle if he can even make it to the AHL. Should've been cut with the 1st group imo. The Oilers should've release him and save his roster spot to keep the right of Rajala.

Abney -- from draft pick to current camp -- is a mystery. Not sure who sees what.

But there is no reason to flush him while he's still on his ELC and trying to find his game...

I believe the Oilers retain Rajala's rights regardless. They don't even have to waste a roster spot or a spot on the 50 man list. Same goes for Hartikainen and Omark before.

This actually makes for an interesting incentive to have your "prospects" develop in Europe... of course, they may never come back, or ever develop.

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#158 Shifty203
September 17 2013, 02:55PM
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@ Gregor

Really!? Grebeshkov a safe bet to make the team!? Nurse looked better out there then he did.

There's no way his little offensive upside covers for his brutal defensive play. He looked lost and about half as fast as he used to. He got caught flat footed several times.

I have no problem giving him a shot, but I haven't seen anything yet from him that would make him jump over any of our other defensive prospects, and to call a safe bet to make the team.

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#159 Maverick007
September 17 2013, 03:02PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

For me Eakins is a blank slate, and that is a good thing. I haven't been impressed with MacT's moves aside from the masterful offloading of Horcoff's contract. Signing Jones was a very good move IMO. Signing freakinGrebeshkov not so much.

Eakin's gets a fresh start to try and do something with this roster. After this season he's going to be a bit more grey and have a higher hairline. I wish him luck.

What about Gordon, what about Ferrence?

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#160 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:09PM
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datFOZ wrote:

Just guessing here, but I recall Eakins saying that he wanted everybody in camp to see at least one EXI game if possible before getting sent. It's all about that experience, that taste, that glimpse as to what they are working towards.

I don't think Abney got into either Calgary game, so after he gets work either tonight or tomorrow he'll likely be on the first bus back to wherever they want to hide him.

I might be wrong but from what I remember, there are a couple that got cut yesterday didn't have any exhibition game.

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#161 David S
September 17 2013, 03:14PM
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Wonger wrote:

NOT QUITE GENIOUS.....Calgary beats Edmonton in the standings and none of their stars get injured every year!!!!!!!

Man I love this time of year. When Junior High kids start chirping on hockey blogs you know hockey is just around the corner!

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#162 pkam
September 17 2013, 03:15PM
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datFOZ wrote:

Subban had top-flight possession numbers without Markov the full season before.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/7/29/3196635/pk-subban-is-a-bad-person-and-oel-is-a-wimp

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/4/12/2943259/young-defenseman-comparisons-nhl

Read the second one especially.

Subban's ppg was much better last year with Markov than the year before without Markov. Is there any data comparing his possession metrics in these two years?

Letang would be top 10 the year before, would anyone think Subban was top 10 the year before?

We will find out this year how much of Subban's improvement is related to help from Markov. Before this, I will put Letang ahead of Subban.

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#163 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

@PKAM

The Oilers do NOT own Rajala's rights...He is a free agent, because they bought him out. It was a mutual agreement. He asked to go to make more money in Europe.

His route is not an incentive for prospects.

Hartikainen and Omark were qualified, but didn't have an actual contract and that is why the Oilers maintained their rights.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I misremembered them qualifying him.

Here's a pretty detailed explanation from Matty for anyone else looking for more info on the situation (there are comments from Howson)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+farmhand+Toni+Rajala+asks+contract+play+Europe/8829482/story.html

If anyone else is interested (since it is so confusing), as far as the 50 man list goes, it doesn't seem to include Euro players who aren't offered an ELC (I believe), so Hartikainen, Zharkov and the new Russians aren't on it.

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/reserve-list/

As far as incentive goes.. clearly not for Rajala. His only route would be to show big in Europe and come back over, in which case the Oilers could sign him (and would benefit from his development years outside the system)... but it is such a convoluted model that it is hard to imagine anyone "planning" for it.

In the case of Hartikainen, Omark, Zharkov and others, I think it is a pretty attractive model of development. Players get to grow in a top league against men, without taking up a spot on the 50 man. Tarasenko is a good example of this working.

But the drawbacks are huge: lack of control, maybe the player never returns... etc.

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#164 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 17 2013, 03:31PM
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pkam wrote:

That is Romulus' Apotheosis's comment, not mine.

I know the Oilers do not own Rajala's rights anymore when they put him on waiver and bought him out.

I just wonder why they keep Abney but release Rajala. Unless Rajala already decides he is not coming back to NHL, it makes no sense.

I think JG was responding to both of us here.

In the Matty article I linked Howson says he didn't want to hang on to Rajala to clog up the 50 man list.

If the question is why Abney and not Rajala... you have to remember Abney isn't a MacT signing. It's a new regime. My guess is MacT probably doesn't sign Abney (maybe not Ewanyk either).

Also, looking at the Omark/Rajala situation, it seems MacT is willing to let players run, i.e., try for a spot on the Oil or find work elsewhere. I wonder if he would have released Omark a couple of years ago?

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#165 book¡e
September 17 2013, 04:08PM
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@Jason Gregor

Did they buy him out or just mutually tear up the contract (same thing, but with no cash going his way and no cap impact)?

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#166 Rocket
September 17 2013, 04:23PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Cool thanks for the info.

Interesting times in Oilerville.

Also, I totally agree on Jones.

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#167 Dog Train
September 17 2013, 04:37PM
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This should be a bigger test for the Oilers tonight. We should see some separation in the roster battles.

It's interesting to hear Jones' comments on Eakins and how he differs from Krueger and Renney. The time for talk is over and it's time to start winning.

I'll say 4-2 Jets. Goals by Yakupov and Jones.

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#168 Mikey
September 17 2013, 04:44PM
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pkam wrote:

I don't think Subban is better than Drew Doughty though, and probably not better than Letang. He may later but at least not now.

They are about the same in my books (Doughty and Subban) They both had a really good year, and are solid D. With Subban at this moment in time a better player. Cause you know, he just won the "Best defender" award.

As for Letang... I take Subban over him erry day. I like my D men to be able to do more than just get points (which subban is better at)

Letang G44 A165 .54PPG

PK G32 A82 .56 PPG

PK hits hard, and is hated by everyone, except people in Montreal. Wish the oilers had someone like that....

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#169 pkam
September 17 2013, 04:45PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think JG was responding to both of us here.

In the Matty article I linked Howson says he didn't want to hang on to Rajala to clog up the 50 man list.

If the question is why Abney and not Rajala... you have to remember Abney isn't a MacT signing. It's a new regime. My guess is MacT probably doesn't sign Abney (maybe not Ewanyk either).

Also, looking at the Omark/Rajala situation, it seems MacT is willing to let players run, i.e., try for a spot on the Oil or find work elsewhere. I wonder if he would have released Omark a couple of years ago?

Neither Omark or Hartikainen or Abney are MacT's signing, but he choose to qualify Martikainen and agree to release Rajala.

I am interested to know if MacT would have released Omark a couple of year ago too because there is a lot of similarities between him and Rajala.

Neither of them have much chance in our top 6, but I believe Rajala has more trade value than Omark. He is only 22 but already light up the minors in his 1st year. Still has 2 year of ELC and 4 years of RFA left.

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#170 Mikey
September 17 2013, 04:55PM
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pkam wrote:

Subban's ppg was much better last year with Markov than the year before without Markov. Is there any data comparing his possession metrics in these two years?

Letang would be top 10 the year before, would anyone think Subban was top 10 the year before?

We will find out this year how much of Subban's improvement is related to help from Markov. Before this, I will put Letang ahead of Subban.

Hall was top 10 last year, what about the year before?

Its all in the age and experiance. Letang has been in the league longer.

You're right tho, this will be a very good telling year to see which one is "better"

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#171 John Chambers
September 17 2013, 05:29PM
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pkam wrote:

The reason I didn't put Subban ahead of Letang is because of Markov.

Subban is much bigger this year than the year before. How much is it related to the presence of Markov?

A year ago, nobody would put Subban ahead of Letang. Letang didn't regress. But will Subban without Markov? Only time will tell.

Subban plays primarily with Josh Gorges. Hes also two years younger than Letang who was paired most often last season with former Prime Minister Paul Martin.

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#174 Fresh Mess
September 17 2013, 05:55PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He asked to get out. It was mutual, both sides agreed. Simple. Nothing more to it. It makes sense. You don't want a player who doesn't want to be here, and Rajala was not close to being an NHL player, and most likely never will be.

The Oilers currently have 47 contracts, (I don't include Nurse or Khaira since when they go to junior they don't count towards 50), so the Oilers had no reason to just buyout Abney. They aren't at max of contracts.

Did they actually buy him out, or did they mutually agree to just terminate the contract? I don't mean to split hairs. I just want to know.

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#175 oilerjed
September 17 2013, 06:09PM
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anybody have a usable link to watch the game? Gamecenter is'nt showing it either

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#176 TonyT
September 17 2013, 06:41PM
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Only been 19 minutes, but I already see improvement in their defensive zone coverage.

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#177 Thumby
September 17 2013, 07:26PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

They have stars?

Don't you love it when a "genious" uses words he can't spell?

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#178 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 17 2013, 07:45PM
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At the game right now. Interesting to see Jones wearing an A.

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#179 StHenriOilBomb
September 17 2013, 08:34PM
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Didn't want to say it earlier and jinx it, but I am in Montreal, and just watched the game on Oilers.com. No complaints here!

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#180 Bushed
September 17 2013, 09:07PM
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datFOZ wrote:

WTF does Subban's perceived (yes, perceived, you have NO idea what he's like personally) attitude have to do with you, or with his ability to be the best defender in the NHL last year?

I will agree that Kronwall and Phaneuf are overrated, but Subban is a legitimate Weber-calibre defender, and anyone who still thinks otherwise is simply incorrect.

Re-read carefully and you will understand that I did not say Subban could not play defense.

By the way, you have no idea what he is like personally, either. But you obviously didn't pay attention to the many reports of Subban's on-ice antics. You don't have to agree with them (it's called an opinion, and people are allowed to have ones that differ from yours without responding with "WTF").

You love Subban. Great.

I prefer Doughty and others.

Get over it, it's just a hockey blog...

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#182 Rod from Viking
September 17 2013, 09:22PM
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Truth wrote:

Strictly going off some of Joenssu's comments and video of him fighting in NY when a teammate got hammered, I think he would drop the mitts if necessary. I would guess the Oilers coaching staff had the no-fight order on last weekend. There were numerous times the Flames fighters challenged Oilers and no response. I would assume Eakins wants the players to make the team on the merit of their ability to play hockey. Fighting to make the squad, like WHL open tryouts years ago, doesn't seem to be Eakin's thing.

Jackman was picking on Nurse all game in Edmonton. Would love to see Nurse tune him in 4-5 years from now if Jackman still has a career, hopefully in Calgary.

Brown challenged Jackman early in the second period and he declined, besides Widemans hit and Halls hit on McGratton it wasn't a very physical game.

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#183 Rod from Viking
September 17 2013, 09:39PM
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@REALLY!!!

Yes, he asked him right in front of us in our tier one seats, Halls hit was more of a rub out but I had to throw that in.

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#184 OilDieHard
September 18 2013, 07:30AM
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unless the players buy in, the players will be gone! if this is what it takes to make a soft team into winners then i hope they give Dallas the green light to do whatever it takes to win.

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#185 Marcus
September 18 2013, 07:45AM
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@Walter Sobchak

Or iPad AV adapter to your TV's HDMI.

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#186 Ivan Drago
September 18 2013, 08:16AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Eakins will make it all better. Just like the three coaches in three years before him. It is different this time.

Enjoy your kool-aid.

Unless the players buy in Eakinis will be gone in short order also.

How do you figure Eakins will be gone? Why should he be gone? For one, it's pre-season, the team isn't even made up yet and in your view the players aren't buying in. That makes zero sense. Two, after 5 yrs and 6 coaches, maybe you have to realize it's not necessarily the coaches fault. Maybe the roster players should be looked at. Which falls on the GM, who has been in that position for a matter of months, and many players are gone with new ones in. Did MacT address every problem right away, no, but he damn sure tried. With the cap going down this year, it really handcuffed him.

Bottom line, saying Eakins will be gone in short order after 2 pre season games is plain stupid. Get your head out of the sand, Dallas is no daisy, like Renney and Krueger. The players will buy in or be gone before he is.

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#187 Spurzey
September 18 2013, 08:45AM
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I never said the players aren't buying in. Of course it is way too early to tell. What I said was "Unless the players buy in Eakinis will be gone in short order also. "

Short order to me would be next summer .Like the last three coaches. They were going to make everything better too .Remember?

So you think they would trade Hall or Nuge or Yak before getting rid of Eakins."Get your head out of the sand."

I would like to think that MacT and Eakins were hired to bring some continuity and stability to the team. No more of the "insane running the asylum" If one of the top 5 or 6 didn't buy in, they would be gone in a heartbeat to fill some of the holes.

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#188 Ivan Drago
September 18 2013, 08:52AM
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I never said the players aren't buying in. Of course it is way too early to tell. What I said was "Unless the players buy in Eakinis will be gone in short order also. "

Short order to me would be next summer .Like the last three coaches. They were going to make everything better too .Remember?

So you think they would trade Hall or Nuge or Yak before getting rid of Eakins."Get your head out of the sand."

Hall, Nuge, or Yak will buy in. They're franchise players, not only extremely skilled but great attitudes and work ethics as well. Players like Seguin, who don't get with the program, do get traded. No player is more important than the team.

Btw, my head can't be in the sand, I'm too busy pounding back my kool-aid.

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#189 Spurzey
September 18 2013, 08:56AM
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I would like to think that too. Here is to hoping that this year will be better than the last seven. It is the time of year to sell hope. The team said the same thing the last three coaches. This is the guy to turn things around. I love the Oilers but I'm tired of getting smoke blown up my butt every fall. Obviously some people are not tired of it yet.

The roster changes alone give me more value for the hope they are selling. There will be more changes until the team becomes successful.

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#190 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 18 2013, 09:09AM
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Has Eager played yet? If so, how did he look?

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#191 Spurzey
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Spydyr makes a good point. What if one/some/all of the fab 5 don't buy into Dallas' gameplan, you do have your head in the sand if you don't think it will be Eakins who falls on that sword. Where do all these puckers who don't know this, keep coming from.....darn kids.

That would have happened under Stumbellini's regime. MacT will make a difference.

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#192 Mikey
September 18 2013, 09:42AM
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So your saying a coach who has never coached at this level has no chance of getting fired in three years?

A quick google search:

NHL coaches have an average tenure of 2.3 seasons behind the bench.

You have consumed all spin the team has sent your way.

What spin? So just because I have a different view point than you I must be under some sort of influence or am blindy following someone else.

Also where did you get 2.3?

"By including all 30 teams in the NHL... During the 60 years covered in our study....This suggests that the average tenure for coaches was 3.54 seasons...." http://iveybusinessjournal.com/topics/leadership/leadership-succession-what-can-we-learn-from-the-national-hockey-league#.UjnIpWXHSDc

"The average tenure of an NHL coach is 2.86 years in 2011." http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/the-nhl-coaching-landscape-then-and-now?urn=nhl,wp11270

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#193 OilDieHard
September 18 2013, 11:48AM
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Oh really, so if Hall does not buy in or Nuge or Yak they will be gone before the coach. Are you new to the NHL?

Oh really, i'm willing to bet that the very top end players, understanding that they are the players this team is depending on, will be more than mature about doing things the way their new coach tells them to do, don't you? oh wait, i guess you are new to the NHL and don't understand this, right?

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#194 OilDieHard
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Yes, it would be the first time players have quit on a coach.Ever.

i'm willing to bet our top end players will buy into Eakin's system, and let's not pre judge the whole upcoming season because of a less than stellar pre season....you can move on now.

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#195 Spydyr
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OilDieHard wrote:

i'm willing to bet our top end players will buy into Eakin's system, and let's not pre judge the whole upcoming season because of a less than stellar pre season....you can move on now.

Thanks for telling me what I can and cannot do.

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#196 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 18 2013, 07:20PM
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K_Mart wrote:

It seems pretty obvious to me that Belov was a superior defenseman to Grebeshkov in the past KHL season that saw a number of NHL players join the league.

Why do I keep hearing that Grebeshkov is more likely for nhl employment?

Is it simply because he came on a 1-way and Belov came on a 2-way?

Nonsense.

I was thinking Grebeshkov was signed for two reasons...one...to serve as a 7-8 Dman in case of injuries and ..two...to help Belov transition to life in North America.....

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