GDB -5: VICTORY HUNTING IN VANCOUVER

Jason Gregor
September 18 2013 09:29AM

Before we get carried away let's remember it is only preseason, but Dallas Eakins will be looking for a better effort from the Oilers tonight in Vancouver compared to last night's display in Winnipeg. The Jets had 12 NHL regulars in their lineup while the Oilers had six; Gagner, Yakupov, Jones, Smid, Petry and Grebeshkov, but Eakins has preached being competitive since day one of camp, and if Richard Bachman doesn't stand on his head in the middle frame the score would have been much worse.

The Oilers will dress a more skilled lineup tonight, and Eakins will be hoping for a more competitive result.

Most coaches don't put much stock into the score in the first four or five preseason games, mainly because many of the players aren't regular NHLers, but they are hoping to see improvement in system play, individual competitiveness and watching the veterans find their timing.

Last night's lineup had more "bubble boys" than regulars, while tonight's roster contains more NHL skill and experience.

LINEUP

We know who nine of the forwards will be, but Eakins will need to add a few forwards who played in Winnipeg.

Smyth-Hall-Eberle
Perron-Gordon-Hemsky
Eager-Acton-Brown
Khaira-Nugent-Hopkins-Miller

Nugent-Hopkins isn't playing, while Miller and Khaira are questionable due to nagging injuries, so that means at least one, and potentially three, forwards will play back-to-back.

Tyler Pitlick has only played one game thus far and prior to his strong showing last night, I thought he was a good bet to play both games. "“There’s something there with that kid. We just have to see if we can bring it out,” said Eakins last night. If one of Miller or Khaira can't play I'll guess Pitlick replaces them.

Marc Arcobello or Anton Lander will fill RNH's spot. Arcobello played almost 18 minutes last night, while Lander played just over 14. Both have played two games, and neither did much last night, but one of them will play. Sam Gagner won't play back-to-back, and Eakins would likely rather get another look at guys who are fighting for a spot than Ryan Martindale who is destined for the minors.

I'm guessing the top three pairings below will make the trip:

Ference-J.Schultz
Nurse-N.Schultz
Marincin-Hunt
Belov-Fedun 

Belov won't play until Saturday most likely, while Ference and J.Schultz need some playing time together. Nurse has really impressed his teammates in practice and in the preseason. In conversations with forwards, D-men and even goalies all of them have raved about his smarts, skating ability and decision making. The Oilers won't rush him into the NHL this season, but they will want to see him at least two or three more times, if not more.

Dubnyk/Rimmer

Rimmer is the best young goalie the Oilers have, and he isn't officially their property. He's outplayed Tyler Bunz and Olivier Roy, and they might want another look at him before deciding if they offer him a contract. Rimmer is one month younger than Bunz and a year younger than Roy, and if he plays well he could secure a two-way contract, or at the very least a 25-game deal.

It is clear Dubnyk is the starter, so making sure he is sharp for October 1st is a bigger concern than signing Rimmer, and he likely starts and finishes tonight. The issue is how much playing time does he need? Will he need to start at least two, if not three, of the final preseason games?

He could start this Saturday, next Tuesday and next Friday and likely be ready. I'm sure he and Eakins have discussed how much playing time he needs. I asked Dubnyk if he felt he'd need more preseason action than usual to get accustomed to his new pads, and he said no.

He acknowledged the shorter pads feel different, especially when he butterflies because the top of the pads don't touch like they did last season, but he didn't think he'd need more playing time to adjust.

**EDIT***

The other forward line will be Joensuu/Arcobello/Pitlick. It makes sense to have bubble guys playing back-to-back, and if Pitlick wants a legitimate shot at making the team, he'll need another strong game. Also, likely you will see Arcobello and Gordon switch lines, so Arcobello plays with Hemksy and Perron.

CANUCKS LINEUP

D. Sedin- H.Sedin - Kassian
Shinkaruk - Richardson - Hansen
Gaunce - Santorelli - DeFazio
Stuart - Horvat - Jensen

Garrison - Bieksa
Andersson - Mullen
Negrin - Tanev

Luongo

THOUGHTS FROM LAST NIGHT....

  • Bachman was the best Oiler and he kept the game close, especially in the second period. In my eyes he is a slightly better NHL backup option than Yann Danis.
     
  • Pitlick was the best forward. He was strong on the puck and assertive.
     
  • Joensuu, Lander, Hamilton, Arcobello and Omark didn't do much to gain an edge in the race of the bubble boys. Joensuu was okay, but he didn't stand out like he did in Edmonton on Saturday. Omark got a late assist, but if he is going to play in the top-nine he's going to need to generate more scoring changes. Lander's footspeed might cost him a spot on the roster.
     
  • Larsen was much better than he was in Calgary on Saturday, and he showed his playmaking abilities more than Grebeskhov last night. Both of them have NHL experience, and until we see Belov play, they are battling for the #6 spot. Grebeshkov has the advantage in experience, but their final preseason games will determine who skates beside Nick Schultz on October 1st.
     
  • Yakupov had four shots and he looked sharper than he did in first game. I'm guessing he'll play with Hall, Gagner or Gordon in the next few preseason games to find some chemistry.
     
  • Lander was 56% in the draw, while Arcobello was 58%. Neither of them stood out for me, but in a game where they didn't stand out, both were solid in the dot.
     
  • If Will Acton has a strong game tonight, he'll take the lead in the battle for the 4th line centre.
     
  • Tonight's game is on Sportsnet West at 8 p.m. MST.
     

NEED YOUR HELP

Nation, I need your help. I need to borrow two Red Wagons, big enough that I can sit in, kind of, for a photo opportunity. I also need a thick 10-foot rope, like a boat rope. If you have either, email gregor@theteam1260.com. I'll make it worth your while.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 Craig1981
September 18 2013, 12:11PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

excuse my double post

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#52 Rocket
September 18 2013, 03:18PM
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JG

You put Belov in the line-up so I assume he will play tonight but do you know if Eakins put Belov through that physical/conditioning test?

@ The Real Ronnie

I agree with your take on DSF

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#53 #ThereGoesTheOilers
September 18 2013, 05:13PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

"You want to get them into games. Even though they know they’re probably going to start the year in the minors, you have to have that fire. You have to have that light at the end of the tunnel. It has to be flickering.

“I’m doing my best to get everybody a little bit of experience ... so it creates competition in your organization."

Perhaps you should use your creative energy to write a strongly worded letter to Dallas Eakins explaining why he wrong. That effort would be a better investment than giving Mr. Gregor a hard time.

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#54 Alsker
September 18 2013, 10:32PM
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Nice game, I think we had as many hits tonite as we did all of last season vs cansucks, or maybe it was just me. Definitely more aggressive, Eager/Brown looked good together at times. The eventual lull was shorter than usual.

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#55 John Chambers
September 18 2013, 09:49AM
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Was at the game last night - it was a snoozer until the 3rd.

Bachman's positioning was solid. With a better defense in front of him he lets in one goal, not three.

Yakupov started slow, but him and Evander Kane were easily the most noticeable players on the ice. Not only does Yak have wicked speed and a great shot, he also gets himself into scoring position very naturally, and isn't afraid to throw his body around. Yak plays a lot bigger than he is.

Jake Trouba is going to be one hell of an NHL defenseman.

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#56 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 18 2013, 09:52AM
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@John Chambers

Totally agree.

Buff looks a little quicker, too. I'm inclined to believe the reports about him being in game shape from day 1 of camp this year.

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#57 pkam
September 18 2013, 10:15AM
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@Jason Gregor

Are you sure Belov will play tonight?

I remember Eakins said on Monday that Belov would not play the next 2 exhibition games, which would be last night's game and tonight's game.

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#58 LinkfromHyrule
September 18 2013, 10:16AM
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@Quicksilver ballet

The season starts in 2 weeks..

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#59 Ca$h-Money!
September 18 2013, 10:23AM
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On Trouba,

I've read lots of great stuff, but the Jetsnation site has an interesting article on him comparing him to Jack Johnson... who might very well be the most divisive player in the league, with bloggers thinking he's utter garbage and the Pierre McGuire's of the world becoming semi-erect at the mere mention of his name.

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#60 Ducey
September 18 2013, 10:25AM
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Rimmer is the best young goalie the Oilers have, and he isn't officially their property. He's outplayed Tyler Bunz and Olivier Roy, and they might want another look at him before deciding if they offer him a contract.

Rimmer is their best young goalie? Come on Gregor. Ever hear of small sample size?

He is small (5'11") and had a .912 save % in his last year in the WHL last year.

Bunz (who is the same age) had a .921 in his last year in the WHL. He has stuggled in his first professional year, but its a little ealry to write him off.

Roy has excelled in his time in the ECHL and needs to step up in the AHL.

Perhonen is 6'5", is younger than Rimmer, and has played internationally for Finland every year.

With Bachman/ Roy in OKC and Bunz in the ECHL, there is no room for him, nor should they waste a contract on him.

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#61 pkam
September 18 2013, 10:32AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Hard to see how all these split squad games will help this team moving forward. If there was ever a time where you needed a couple weeks to get all the required players functioning as one group, this would be it. Dallas Eakins should have broken tradition in order to get this group down to 32 over a week ago. With the season starting in a little over a week, he'll have only 1 or 2 days of practice with his all important final group of 25. Seems like a terrible waste of two weeks if you ask me.

Certainly appears to be a lot of unnecessary bullship and distraction for someone wanting to take charge of his hockey club asap.

How could we play the split squad games last Saturday with 32 players? So each team carried only 16 players, 14 skaters and 2 goalies?

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#63 pkam
September 18 2013, 10:43AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He will not be playing...He hasn't had enough time here, and he wasn't on the ice for a week waiting for his visa to clear. I suspect we will see him Saturday night.

Thanks. That makes more sense.

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#64 pkam
September 18 2013, 10:47AM
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Any news on Potter? Does he start practicing yet?

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#65 tileguy
September 18 2013, 10:55AM
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916oiler wrote:

I was really pulling for Omark to show he had improved. So far so bad :/

^this^

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#66 Craig1981
September 18 2013, 11:03AM
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Though some people felt MacT brough too many forwards and defensemen, but I really like the options they have. In the last few years Tamballini had brought a few players everyone thought were great moves, but only a handful worked and we were left watching the ones that didn't. Marincin, Klefbom, Belov, Fedun, Larsen, and Grebs, all fighting for 2 starting spots Pitlick, Omark, Eager, Brown, Action, Miller, Joensuu, Lander all fighting for 4 spots.

I for one am very glad (or maybe hopeful) that I will not have to watch several players that lack either the skill or the effort, to play in the NHL.

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#67 Czar
September 18 2013, 11:08AM
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916oiler wrote:

I was really pulling for Omark to show he had improved. So far so bad :/

If he was taller he could see the writing on the wall? Hope they saved his stall for him in OKC.

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#68 pkam
September 18 2013, 11:10AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me dumb this down for you a little....

No split squad games period. Just take the chosen 23 bodies from the approx. 35 bodies available to you each night. All the kids who'll probably never play an NHL reg season game, are being promised an exhibition game or two at each camp, are just getting in the way.

26th, 30th, 30th, 29th and 24th (there you go drago, you 1Di0t) reveals you need every competitive advantage you can get. The Oilers should be pushing the alsorans out asap. No need to take more than just a couple kids from rookie camp to the main camp.

No split squad games? Did Oilers make the schedule?

So we choose 23 bodies and ask them to play in Calgary at 7:00pm and Edmonton at 8:00pm the same night? Or just show up at one game and no show at the other game?

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#69 Benny Botts
September 18 2013, 11:15AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me dumb this down for you a little....

No split squad games period. Just take the chosen 23 bodies from the approx. 35 bodies available to you each night. All the kids who'll probably never play an NHL reg season game, are being promised an exhibition game or two at each camp, are just getting in the way.

26th, 30th, 30th, 29th and 24th (there you go drago, you 1Di0t) reveals you need every competitive advantage you can get. The Oilers should be pushing the alsorans out asap. No need to take more than just a couple kids from rookie camp to the main camp.

Does the NHL not make up their pre-season schedule (i.e split squad games)...in that case would they not have to bring the extra bodies in from rookie camp to help fill out the rosters?

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#70 Will
September 18 2013, 11:16AM
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I disagree that Pitlick was the best forward. I read over at the cult that Yak had ten shots not four. Not to mention all the scoring chances he created. He looked dangerous all night, and indeed basically created that second goal with his strong work behind the net.

I keep hearing, year after year after year about our lack of compete, and fire. And yet, Yak, Hall, Ebs, Nuge, Smid, are all known for their tenacious compete level. I keep hearing about Gags the fighter, and how Hemsky is willing to go to the dirty areas.

There seems to be a discord between the effort being reported and the effort being complained about. What is the deal. Is this will to win some kind of non existent thing that is always in short supply if a team loses, but is thoroughly on display when a team wins?

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#71 Oilcruzer
September 18 2013, 11:18AM
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I've preached the Pitlick needs a shot story too many times here. Love his work in what the Oil didn't have last year, and need this year.

Hoping he shows enough to Eakins that he sticks. Oil have enough flash. This guy is a lunch bucket player. Something last years GM and Coach didn't understand.

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#72 Craig1981
September 18 2013, 11:19AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me dumb this down for you a little....

No split squad games period. Just take the chosen 23 bodies from the approx. 35 bodies available to you each night. All the kids who'll probably never play an NHL reg season game, are being promised an exhibition game or two at each camp, are just getting in the way.

26th, 30th, 30th, 29th and 24th (there you go drago, you 1Di0t) reveals you need every competitive advantage you can get. The Oilers should be pushing the alsorans out asap. No need to take more than just a couple kids from rookie camp to the main camp.

So are you proposing that we should pick our team before we evaluate anyone?!?! And we should ignore developing players like Nurse and Khaira?!? What about mid season when we have to call everyone someone up and they have no idea what type of system the big club plays? BTW just because Drago corrected your false statement that makes him an idiot?

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#73 Oilcruzer
September 18 2013, 11:24AM
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With all the furore in the Premier League over Ashley Young and his antics with Man U, I'm surprised the Canucks aren't negotiating for his rights.

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#74 Taylor Gang
September 18 2013, 11:33AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me dumb this down for you a little....

No split squad games period. Just take the chosen 23 bodies from the approx. 35 bodies available to you each night. All the kids who'll probably never play an NHL reg season game, are being promised an exhibition game or two at each camp, are just getting in the way.

26th, 30th, 30th, 29th and 24th (there you go drago, you 1Di0t) reveals you need every competitive advantage you can get. The Oilers should be pushing the alsorans out asap. No need to take more than just a couple kids from rookie camp to the main camp.

Your logic is off to say the least.

What's the point of icing the most competitive roster available in the preseason? Win or lose, the games mean nothing. All you're doing is exposing more roster players to injury that could spill over into the regular season. Also, the team wants to see who has progressed over the offseason and who has floundered; not everyone is guaranteed a roster spot.

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#77 Ness37
September 18 2013, 11:43AM
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@Ducey

FYI: Rimmer is 6'1"

The .912 he put up last year was with a weak Lethbridge team which gave up a high number of shots every game.

The same year Bunz put up his .921, Rimmer's save % was .922 both on good teams.

I'm pretty sure Perhonen wasn't qualified so he's no longer Oiler property.

If the Oilers think Rimmer is better than what they have, then you upgrade the position.

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#78 Czar
September 18 2013, 11:50AM
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@Jason Gregor

I'd be a lot happier with a Bachman/Rimmer tandem in OKC. The Oiler goaltending depth is as weak as any team in the NHL, we need all the help we can get,who cares where it comes from and who gets lost in the shuffle.

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#79 Craig1981
September 18 2013, 11:52AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Sorry Craig, should be directed at Frenchtoast Mafia. OWTHHNI

23 man roster Frenchy. 36 spots to start camp. Do the math. Would allow for atleast 10 spots for rookies and/or blue chip prospects.

Oilers should/could benefit from being much closer to that final 25 by now.

What are you even talking about?!?!? I have "done the math" If you have only 25 now you do not have enough to develop your prospects, train your callups to the oiler system, and evaluate who is in the bottom 1/4 of your lineup.

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#80 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
September 18 2013, 11:53AM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Are players coachable? Capable of learning a new system, or thriving in the new coach's system? It seems to me like a coaching staff would want to see how players progress over the span of a training camp.

Sounds like Omark, for instance has been unimpressive (haven't been able to watch for myself), but in his case, the most important thing IMHO, would be growth, adaptation and willingness to try to do the things Eakins wants him to do. Sounds tough to evaluate over one or two days.

From a player development perspective, I have to believe they have a file on each player at camp, and goals that each player is working towards. Many players, whether destined for Edm, OKC, or junior, will improve due to their camp experience. Seems like the more those players improve, the better in the long term.

By the way, winning and scoring in pre-season guarantees nothing. Just ask Patrick Thoreson.

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#81 madjam
September 18 2013, 12:04PM
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Love the split games - double the action and double the fun. Wish there were more . Great for prospects to get a taste of NHL hockey and compare themselves to the veterans and competition and what they have to do to make parent club on a full time basis . Good push for veterans as well . We want more split games , as it also shows our depth or lack thereof .

MacT. figured our depth was good enough . I think he might be waivering on that thought now , however , as not to many bright lites are coming forth as he expected .Slit games allows staff to focus in more on possible players making club , or the necessity to go out and get other talent elsewhere .

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#83 pkam
September 18 2013, 12:32PM
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Ducey wrote:

I don't know why the Oilers would keep Rimmer up. Presumably they need 4 goalies for the back to back games and for practice purposes?

My point is that Rimmer can't be considered the best goalie in the system.

If the Oilers are going to ignore his numbers from a whole season and sign him to an NHL contract based on 120 training camp/ exhibition minutes, well, then they are making a mistake. I could see them signing him to a contract to play in the ECHL, but that wouldn't really make him the best goalie in the system.

I would think they would be better served to grab someone off waivers from another team if they are looking to upgrade on Roy or Bunz.

Why close the door instead of give ourselves a chance to see if Rimmer can outperform the other goalies? What could it hurt?

We have 8 defenses with NHL experience and 3-4 with no NHL experience fighting for 7 spots. The addition of Grebeshkov, Belov, and Larsen may bump Klefbom down to the minors. Do you see a problem?

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#84 The Soup Fascist
September 18 2013, 02:20PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Man, aren't you precious.

You're about as swift as peanut butter in a spray can, aren't you?

... about this Peanut Butter in a spray can?? Would you know if it is available in Calgary?

Jay F. (asking for a friend)

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#85 David S
September 18 2013, 03:08PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Every team in the NHL plays rookies and AHL players the first few games, THIS ISN'T NEW.

Stop suggesting the Oilers are the only team that does it. Veterans won't play 8 preseason games, they don't need it.

Did you look at Vancouver's lineup on Monday, when they only had one game, it was similar to Oilers. This is how it works in the NHL.

The final 3 or 4 preseason games have mainly NHL players or guys battling for sports.

The Oilers have about 7-8 forwards competing for three spots, you think in two practices Eakins will know who is good. He's never coached them, he has no idea how they are as people and players, and you want him to cut down to 25 after two days.

The only bullship is your theory. Move on.

Whoo boy. CANNOT believe you had to say this.

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#87 Dog Train
September 18 2013, 06:21PM
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Judging by some of the senseless banter, hockey season must be back.

As far as the game goes, this is obviously a much more experienced lineup than yesterday. The bubble players like Arco and JJ had better make an impression in this game because the bubble will get smaller and smaller every game.

I'll say 3-2 Oilers. Goals by Hall, Ference and Pitlick. For all of Pitlick's hard work, he doesn't often get rewarded so I am pulling for him to net one.

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#88 pelhem grenville
September 18 2013, 06:22PM
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...Oilers Faithful in Whale Watching Land...

...giving your 'mister' Gregor a hard time is sport here...where would we be without giving him the pointy end every so often...Coach Eakins does need your support when he pops his first ever NHL coached game cherry though...maybe have a whale watching artisan out there make up a big candle in the shape of a one for his cake...

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#89 AussieOil
September 18 2013, 07:59PM
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Anyone know if this game is on Gamecenter?

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#90 shifty203
September 18 2013, 08:05PM
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So annoying. Game is blacked out on the HD channel for me, but works on the SD channel.

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#91 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
September 18 2013, 08:20PM
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Dog Train wrote:

It looks like this game is going to be blacked out in Saskatchewan. No better way to market your game than to pointlessly black out pre-season games. Good grief.

SNet West has it in Saskatoon. I don't know anybody's numbers, but we just scored our second!

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#92 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 18 2013, 08:20PM
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2-0, pile it on boys!

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#93 Mikey
September 18 2013, 08:22PM
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Oh o.

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#94 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 18 2013, 08:24PM
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Scratch that, 3-0. First great soundbite from Torts in the post game?

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#95 Oilers need Ogie Ogilthorpe!
September 18 2013, 08:31PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Scratch that, 3-0. First great soundbite from Torts in the post game?

Please, someone bring a cell phone

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#96 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 18 2013, 08:42PM
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I could watch Taylor Hall play for days. That guy's a scoring chance machine.

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#97 Thumby
September 18 2013, 09:48PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Love me some metaphors. No such thing as a poor metaphore on Oilersnation.

Zipdot, name me a colour you've never seen before?

Can I play? How about infrared or ultraviolet?

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