Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Seven more years

Jonathan Willis
September 19 2013 02:11PM

 

The Edmonton Oilers announced on Thursday that they had signed centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to a seven-year contract extension.

The cap hit - $6 million per season - matches those of Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. By signing those two players to $6 million/year contracts, the Oilers established a benchmark for both Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and, presumably, Nail Yakupov one year from now.

Some will doubtless question the dollars involved here - particularly with Nugent-Hopkins coming off a difficult half-season - but the fact is that the 2011 first overall pick has scored at a level in the NHL that can make the Oilers feel very comfortable with his long-term upside:

Like Tyler Dellow, I tend to think that a bridge contract was never a likely outcome here. Not only that, but a bridge contract is a way to defer when a player is paid and minimize risk. In the case of the Oilers, it makes no sense to pay less now so they can pay more later, and in the case of Nugent-Hopkins the risk is minimal - this wasn't a late pick surprising, this is a guy with a track record of performance that made him first in his draft class and got him into the NHL at 18, and then saw him produce in the world's toughest league at an age when many future stars are still back in junior.

This is a good player to bet on. The money is a little steeper right now than it would be in a perfect world, but this has the potential to be a bargain contract relative to performance very soon. Given that Nugent-Hopkins has a year left on his entry-level contract, this new pact might turn out to be fair value from day one. By the end of this deal, the terms should be excellent value for the team.

Nail Yakupov's contract is now a fait accompli, meaning the Oilers will have four forwards at the cost of $24 million. Some will lump Justin Schultz in with that group; he may or may not get the same deal but he hasn't earned it today - with one year left on his entry-level contract, 2013-14 is shaping up to be a very big year for Schultz. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:07PM
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DSF wrote:

It is somewhat of an issue for the Wild but they (once Heatley is gone) will only have 3 players making more than $5M.

If Schultz and Yakupov get what I expect they will, the Oilers will have 5 players north of $5M with Gagner almost there at $4.8M.

"more than 5M" is an interesting world of possibility for the Wild.

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#52 ed in edmonton
September 19 2013, 04:08PM
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I'm enough of a pessimist that I would have preferred RNH to show us the beef after his surgery than signing now. Hopefully MacT will prove to be a better seer than I.

It would appear to me that the teams who have been consistently good in the cap world (Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago) have locked up a core group and filled around them as best they can. This doesn't mean they don't have to shed salary at times. Chicago had to do it big time after their penultimate cup but rebounded within 3 years to grab another.

Best case scenario will be the Oil needing to make some tough cap decisions in a few years because of the wealth of talent. That is how the system is supposed to work.

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#53 terranq
September 19 2013, 04:11PM
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When I lost my first baby tooth, I got a quarter. Nuge loses his and gets $6 million.

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#54 jake
September 19 2013, 04:11PM
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DSF: "But remember he had to move Jordan Staal to make things work."

Is that why, in June 2012, they offered him a 10year almost 60M contract that Staal rejected?

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#56 RyanCoke
September 19 2013, 04:15PM
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I'm hooked to streakcred now. Damn wanye and his crappy games.

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#57 DSF
September 19 2013, 04:18PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

"more than 5M" is an interesting world of possibility for the Wild.

Thing is, the Wild are paying 3 elite players with an established record of success that kind of money.

And even with Heatley's boat anchor contract on the books are only the 23rd highest spending team in the league with $3.75M in cap space this season.

The Oilers are already the 10th highest payroll team in the league BEFORE the Hopkins, Schultz, Yakupov and Petry deals.

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#58 Pajamah
September 19 2013, 04:20PM
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@DSF

You're right in that if James Mirtle's cap projections are correct, we are in trouble.

Its a good thing everyone else says we're only a year away from a 70+ million/year cap, and based on projections, may be at 80 by the time Hall and Eberle's contracts come up for renewal at the ripe age of 28-29.

Considering all the teams that have their noses up against the glass financially, the Oilers are in decent shape. Just like anyone, they need some cheap ELC or pluggers to play above their pedigree, but any successful team needs that.

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#60 Ducey
September 19 2013, 04:22PM
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@DSF

I read the Mirtle article. It was written in January right after the lockout. I imagine things have changed in the last 9 months.

Here is the key: The thing too is that’s only based on 5 per cent revenue growth annually. The NHL grew at a rate of about 7.2 per cent in the last agreement, which if it continued, would mean that in Year 8, this league would top $5-billion in revenues.

He did not say revenue would grow at 5%. He assumed it. That seems low given the league has grown at 7.2 %

Therefore, for you put it forward as fact is, well, a little misleading.

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#61 pkam
September 19 2013, 04:25PM
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Mikey wrote:

Only thing to say to that is.... The Pens are screwed too!

You bring up a very good point. I am going to take a look at cap geek and see how other teams are set up.

The fact is not just the Pens structure their signing like this, other cap spending teams structure their salary very similarly.

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#62 Craig1981
September 19 2013, 04:26PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's assume your numbers are all right - $66MM salary cap, the money for Schultz and Petry too.

Here's the roster:

  • Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Yakuopv
  • Perron - Gagner - Eberle
  • ??? - Gordon - ???
  • ??? - ??? - ???
  • Smid - Schultz
  • Ference - Petry
  • Nurse - Klefbom
  • Dubnyk

So, that leaves you with the need to find two bottom-nine wingers, a fourth line and 13th forward, a seventh defenceman and a backup goalie. The total cost above is $57.9 million by my count, so you have 8.1 million for those eight pieces.

If Gernat or Musil can play seventh D, that's 900K and the defence is taken care of. Add in a LaBarbera equivalent for the backup at $1.0MM (or do what Carolina did and bring in a Khudobin-type for less). That leaves you ~6.2 million for the last six forwards on the roster, which seems totally doable.

What you posted reminds me a lot of the Hawks lines. They have an amazing top 2 lines and great top4 dmen. They manage to fill the bottom with prospect and role players. They have one the cup twice! and are constantly competitive.

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#63 Ducey
September 19 2013, 04:28PM
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Here is an article (from a month ago) that says the cap could be $80 M in 4 years - per Elliot Freidman

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/8/21/4643490/nhl-salary-cap-80-million

If true, the Oilers might be locking up players longterm at exactly the right time.

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#64 Ducey
September 19 2013, 04:29PM
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Sorry double post.

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#65 Ivan Drago
September 19 2013, 04:30PM
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Ok. You win Willis

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#67 DSF
September 19 2013, 04:33PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's assume your numbers are all right - $66MM salary cap, the money for Schultz and Petry too.

Here's the roster:

  • Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Yakuopv
  • Perron - Gagner - Eberle
  • ??? - Gordon - ???
  • ??? - ??? - ???
  • Smid - Schultz
  • Ference - Petry
  • Nurse - Klefbom
  • Dubnyk

So, that leaves you with the need to find two bottom-nine wingers, a fourth line and 13th forward, a seventh defenceman and a backup goalie. The total cost above is $57.9 million by my count, so you have 8.1 million for those eight pieces.

If Gernat or Musil can play seventh D, that's 900K and the defence is taken care of. Add in a LaBarbera equivalent for the backup at $1.0MM (or do what Carolina did and bring in a Khudobin-type for less). That leaves you ~6.2 million for the last six forwards on the roster, which seems totally doable.

Of course it's "doable" if you have the right players at the right price to plug into those spots and IF you can win a cup that way.

I would think the two 3rd line wingers are likely to run you at least $2.0M each if they are any good, so that leaves you with $1.2M for the last 3 forward spots.

If you look at Detroit as a contending but not championship team, their 4th line is currently:

Nyquist ($950K ELC)

Helm ($2.1M)

Tootoo ($1.9M)

Because Detroit only has 3 (Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Howard) making more than $5M in 2014/15, they have a ton of flexibility and yet still have a very solid core.

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#68 pkam
September 19 2013, 04:34PM
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Ducey wrote:

I read the Mirtle article. It was written in January right after the lockout. I imagine things have changed in the last 9 months.

Here is the key: The thing too is that’s only based on 5 per cent revenue growth annually. The NHL grew at a rate of about 7.2 per cent in the last agreement, which if it continued, would mean that in Year 8, this league would top $5-billion in revenues.

He did not say revenue would grow at 5%. He assumed it. That seems low given the league has grown at 7.2 %

Therefore, for you put it forward as fact is, well, a little misleading.

A lot of hockey minds already predict the salary in 14-15 to return to 70M, even at 50% of HRR.

And I read the other day that the league is trying to grow their revenue by 1B in 3 years. If they manage to do it, even we argue that the salary should be 60M this year, the salary cap will be 78M by 16-17.

DSF is just trying to stir the pot, even Gillis will not be so dumb to project the salary in 15-16 to be 66M.

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#69 DSF
September 19 2013, 04:39PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

DSF wrote:

Thing is, the Wild are paying 3 elite players with an established record of success that kind of money.

Best seasons in terms of points-per-game:

  • Zach Parise: 1.15
  • Taylor Hall: 1.11
  • Jordan Eberle: 0.97
  • Mikko Koivu: 0.89
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 0.84

So, to recap: Taylor Hall is 21 years old and he's already in the ballpark of 29-year-old Zach Parise's best season. Parise makes $1.5 million more per year and the tail end of his contract is a cap recapture nightmare. Meanwhile, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins at age 20 has already basically matched 30-year-old Mikko Koivu's best-ever offensive season. The Wild are paying big money to some very good players who are past their prime years of production (historically around age 25). The Oilers are paying less money to players with better/even production just entering their prime.

Jon, you know as well as I do that there is more than posting scoring numbers to winning hockey games.

Koivu, for example, is an elite two way centre and Parise is the same.

I notice you didn't mention Suter in your boxcar comparison.

I agree those long contracts will be a nightmare for the Wild in another 5 years or so, but that's an entirely different issue.

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#70 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is, the Wild are paying 3 elite players with an established record of success that kind of money.

And even with Heatley's boat anchor contract on the books are only the 23rd highest spending team in the league with $3.75M in cap space this season.

The Oilers are already the 10th highest payroll team in the league BEFORE the Hopkins, Schultz, Yakupov and Petry deals.

who are the non-elite, non-track record Oilers were talking about again?

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#71 Kodiak
September 19 2013, 04:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is, the Wild are paying 3 elite players with an established record of success that kind of money.

And even with Heatley's boat anchor contract on the books are only the 23rd highest spending team in the league with $3.75M in cap space this season.

The Oilers are already the 10th highest payroll team in the league BEFORE the Hopkins, Schultz, Yakupov and Petry deals.

Suter is the only elite Wild. Parise and Koivu are not in Hall's class and I wouldn't call him elite yet. There isn't a team out there that wouldn't trade Parise and Koivu for two of Hall, Nuge and Eberle, never mind the $3+million in cap saving every year. Koivu will be 35 and making $7.5m and they will be paying Parise $7.53m into his 40's when Hall and Eberle are in their prime making $6m.

And don't forget that Brodin and Granlund are RFA the same time Yak is and will be getting big raises so include that in your skewed comparisons.

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#72 French Toast Mafia
September 19 2013, 04:46PM
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@DSF

You would take Koivu over RNH on your club?

Would you want 29 year old Parise at 7.5 per over 21 year old Hall at 6 million per?

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#73 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:49PM
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Ducey wrote:

I read the Mirtle article. It was written in January right after the lockout. I imagine things have changed in the last 9 months.

Here is the key: The thing too is that’s only based on 5 per cent revenue growth annually. The NHL grew at a rate of about 7.2 per cent in the last agreement, which if it continued, would mean that in Year 8, this league would top $5-billion in revenues.

He did not say revenue would grow at 5%. He assumed it. That seems low given the league has grown at 7.2 %

Therefore, for you put it forward as fact is, well, a little misleading.

It's a lack of context, which is what I pointed out above.

Mirtle's is an conservative estimate.

we need to allow for rosy and conservative estimate AND recognize that even under the conservative estimate the Oilers are fine.

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#74 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:55PM
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DSF wrote:

Jon, you know as well as I do that there is more than posting scoring numbers to winning hockey games.

Koivu, for example, is an elite two way centre and Parise is the same.

I notice you didn't mention Suter in your boxcar comparison.

I agree those long contracts will be a nightmare for the Wild in another 5 years or so, but that's an entirely different issue.

Who compares F to D scoring rates?

Parise is a Center?

Hall, Eberle and RNH aren't elite two-way players for their age?

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#75 mk
September 19 2013, 05:01PM
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@Craig1981

I don't think a comparison to the Blackhawks is apt at all. They were nearly a playoff team the first year with Toews/Kane, made a big run in the second year, and won in the third year.

The Oilers still haven't even made the playoffs and are starting: year 4 of Hall/Eberle, year 3 of RNH and year 2 of Yakupov.

Not to mention, Chicago had a SOLID D-core (traditionally taking more development time) before Toews/Kane/Hossa arrived. I think the Oilers are still at least 2 or 3 years from any real shot at a deep playoff run - that's a far cry from the Blackhawks model.

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#76 commonfan14
September 19 2013, 05:08PM
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That Mirtle article is from January right after the lockout, when it was assumed HRR was going to take a big hit.

That didn't really happen, and last month Elliotte Friedman said leasgue sources are telling him that the cap could easily hit the $80 million mark by the 2017-18 season.

That's instead of the $73.1 million projected for that year by Mirtle back in January.

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#77 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 05:14PM
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mk wrote:

I don't think a comparison to the Blackhawks is apt at all. They were nearly a playoff team the first year with Toews/Kane, made a big run in the second year, and won in the third year.

The Oilers still haven't even made the playoffs and are starting: year 4 of Hall/Eberle, year 3 of RNH and year 2 of Yakupov.

Not to mention, Chicago had a SOLID D-core (traditionally taking more development time) before Toews/Kane/Hossa arrived. I think the Oilers are still at least 2 or 3 years from any real shot at a deep playoff run - that's a far cry from the Blackhawks model.

We're talking about cap structure here.

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#78 Eddie Shore
September 19 2013, 05:15PM
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DSF is taking it raw today. I like it.

Edit. I'm thrilled with the signing. Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

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#79 Gaz
September 19 2013, 05:25PM
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@DSF

I think you're making a pretty fair argument here, DSF.

Unfortunately, you are prone to making assumptions on trades/divestitures when arguing for other teams, so let's try that here for the Oilers, shall we?

If the Oilers do find themselves top heavy, as you assert, then, like other teams have done, we can assume that they will move one of these $6MM contracts for value prospects and players.

The nice thing about a $6MM hit is that, while a large number, it is not prohibitive to most teams to pick up that sort of salary, particularly if the player is at or nearing his peak years. Eberle or Yakupov would be my guesses for trade bait, should a situation arise where the cap has not increased at a predictable rate and the team is an cap trouble.

Of course, this assumes that these pricey players are still producing and as such carry market value...but assumptions haven't ever stopped us here before, have they?

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#80 NewfoundlandOil
September 19 2013, 05:36PM
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@DSF

Incorrect...It is "doable" if you have the right players at the right price, but hitting the cap number has nothing to do with winning the cup, so we can remove that qualifier.

I love the signing, good for the Oilers, good for Nuge and good for the fans. I suspect it puts them closer to winning the cup some day, than if they didn't sign him.

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#81 Top Cheddar
September 19 2013, 05:36PM
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Love the deal but I just hope we can get a full season out of him at some point. This will be the third straight year without one.

This is a good deal for the Oilers.

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#82 mk
September 19 2013, 05:39PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I understand that, but the point was also made that the Oilers are preparing a dynasty "like Chicago", thus my comment.

I'm surprised no one has attempted a comparison with LA's structure...

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#83 Bucknuck
September 19 2013, 06:01PM
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Great deal for the Oilers. Great deal for Nuge.

In two years when they have to pay Yakupov, many things may have changed, so I don't know why folks are foaming at the mouth about the cap hit and the implications when there are so many unknown factors involved. If the Oil have cap trouble, then they have to make a trade. How exciting is that!? It's not a bad scenario to have too many awesome players.

This is a good day. I think this is going to be a good season; relax and enjoy it.

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#84 a lg dubl dubl
September 19 2013, 06:13PM
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Nuge comes back, wins the selke(sp?) throphy.

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#85 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 06:19PM
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mk wrote:

I understand that, but the point was also made that the Oilers are preparing a dynasty "like Chicago", thus my comment.

I'm surprised no one has attempted a comparison with LA's structure...

These are separate questions, red herrings.

Also, they are projection based. No one knows if the Oil come close to the Hawks success. History will tell us.

What history won't show is that the Oiler cap structure is success prohibitive.

Here's LA's cap structure http://www.capgeek.com/kings/

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#86 Gaz
September 19 2013, 06:19PM
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@pkam

Yeah, I haven't read the Mirtle article, but the salary cap has grown by approximately 8.75% year-over-year since 2005-06. I'm not sure where DSF is getting his math. By that reckoning, the salary cap should be approx $70 million. Yes, that uses an average annual growth rate, and there is a revised CBA, but the point stands.

Oilers banking on salary cap growth is not a fool's errand.

Turns out the dog can hunt!

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#87 JJ
September 19 2013, 06:20PM
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Nuge is now making more than John Tavares.. What are the Oilers thinking? Should have given them all 5m contracts but they caved in too early.

Who here would rather have Nuge than Tavares on their team? Exactly. Terrible overpayment for a fragile and soft center.

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#88 JJ
September 19 2013, 06:24PM
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pkam wrote:

Not a good idea in my opinion. You're basically saying he is not as good as Hall and Eberle. That 500K/year saving is not worth to piss off your 1st line center for the next 7 years.

Yea, I would really be pissed off too if I was only making 5.5 million a year.

Seriously, who comes up with this?

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#89 EricOG
September 19 2013, 06:28PM
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@ good old DSF

Two points:

1. Want to know what else those contracts are??? VEERY TRADEABLE!!

2. Dude, JW really owned you in this thread!!

You be his beatch!!

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#90 Chris.
September 19 2013, 06:35PM
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@DSF

You bore me.

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#91 Racki
September 19 2013, 07:07PM
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The Oilers have 3 amazing players locked up for $18M per year (for the 3). This is on par with Getzlaf / Perry ($16.775M), Malkin/Crosby ($17.4M), Ovechkin/Backstrom ($16.2M). Nash and Richards combine for $14.5M, and I don't think they're any better than the kids here in Edm.

As you astute folks can tell, these are duos of players.. not trios.. duos of elite players that aren't far off from our trio of future elite players. Yes, some of those names are in the generational category, but my point is that these teams still manage to build a team around players with those giant cap hits.

The Oilers trio's cap hit is almost the same as Sharp, Kane and Toews. I'd say the trio aren't there yet by comparison, but I think they will be one day.. so that makes me comfy considering these guys had their deals made before (2010 for Kane/Toews, 2012 for Sharp). Inflation tells me that the Oiler trio should cost more...

Look at the Canucks.. they have RYAN KESLER at $5M, and LUONGO at $5.333M eating up cap space with modest production.

The Bruins have 6 guys under contract who earn an average together of just over 6M each (Chara, Rask, Lucic, Iginla, Krejci, Bergeron).

Capgeek is down right now, but I think there are several duos out there that are in the ballpark of $14M... and several MORE trios of players that add up to $18M.

So am I worried that we have 3 guys locked up for $18M cap hit total? Hell no, because that's on par with probably most competitive teams out there, however we have 3 elite players locked up at a young age for multiple years (which isn't something a lot of those other teams can say).

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#92 Naky
September 19 2013, 07:13PM
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Sometimes it's more about making a player happy with your organization by not taking advantage of your business's ability to force a crappy bridge contract on them for far less money simply because you're able to. The Oilers will have a far easier time re-signing their stars in the future when the time comes because of it over teams like the Rangers and the Leafs who are forcing some of their best young RFAs to take a contract or leave it.

Yes, it's a business but you're a fool if you don't think players don't take it a bit personally when issues like this arise just as it would be equally foolish to assume a sense of loyalty isn't formed when people treat you well throughout your whole career. I don't think anyone seriously things Kadri or Franson are going to stay Leafs unless the bank AND the term are thrown at them - and probably at higher amounts now than it would have taken before the contract disputes.

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#93 jonnyquixote
September 19 2013, 07:55PM
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I don't know if the Yakupov contract is a fait accompli as suggested here. RNH got "Hall money" while doing less over his first 2 seasons.

What if Yakupov does the same or more? Can we really expect him to take the same as a similar or lesser player got 2 years prior? Why does Hall's contract set a ceiling for him? It doesn't work that way in any other sport, and it wouldn't work that way in the NHL if Yakupov was on a different team - the 1st overall's contract, assuming he's tracking similar to other 1st overalls, shows an increase over the previous one.

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#94 hall2010
September 19 2013, 08:15PM
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WOW! JW just schooled DSF...where's the rebuttal DSF...crickets chirping

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#95 Harry
September 19 2013, 08:19PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

soph - ist - ry, noun. The use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving.

For example: "Once Heatley leaves, the Wild will have only three players making more than $5.0 million; the Oilers will have five."

Why is it sophistry? Because while true, it misleads. This sentence, for example, is equally true, and just as misleading: "The Wild have four players making $6.75 million or more. The Oilers have none."

Man im glad you have a way with words to.deal.with this troll. Lord know I dont have the patients.

Just like im putting complete trust in MacT.

Furthermore I see JShultz hopefully getting a Subban type deal.

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#96 Harry
September 19 2013, 08:33PM
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jonnyquixote wrote:

I don't know if the Yakupov contract is a fait accompli as suggested here. RNH got "Hall money" while doing less over his first 2 seasons.

What if Yakupov does the same or more? Can we really expect him to take the same as a similar or lesser player got 2 years prior? Why does Hall's contract set a ceiling for him? It doesn't work that way in any other sport, and it wouldn't work that way in the NHL if Yakupov was on a different team - the 1st overall's contract, assuming he's tracking similar to other 1st overalls, shows an increase over the previous one.

Yak loves being an Oiler so why would he hold out over 500-750k?

If hes smart he sees a very good oportunity to play with 3 very good players for a long time.

Dito for Shultz who lets not forget CHOSE this team over 29 others.

Yak has a real smart agent in Igor Larionov so I see his contract being as easy to sign as the others.

Fab 5 are here to stay for a long long time!!

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#97 Freewheeling Freddie
September 19 2013, 08:36PM
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Not many years ago the city was in tears because we couldn't afford the great Dougie Weight so we trade him .Also from that same era Cujo. Now we have potentially 5 players making 6 million. How times have changed. Nuge is a great player but the shoulder could be a major issue. Shoulder surgery before he is 20.Iam all for the players making good money but 6 million before you really haven't proved anything. The lockout was a waste of time, time to revamp the salary structure, but that will never happen because of the many weasel agents. Oh well 12 days to puck drop playoffs please.

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#98 Dog Train
September 19 2013, 08:42PM
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With the way that the salary cap is expected to go up, having 3, probably 4 in a few seasons, players locked up to long-term deals at 6 million dollars could be a bargain. I still believe that one thing Tambellini did well when he was here was the deals with Hall and Eberle. Nobody will make more than 6 million dollars per year on this team. It's similar to what Detroit did with Lidstrom years back and it helped them keep a very solid core together for a long time.

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#99 AltF4
September 19 2013, 08:52PM
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The thought of DSF playing GM of the Oilers amuses me. If this was a mistake, I'd really love to know what DSF would do instead in this situation.

Always is interesting to read someones take on why signing an elite player to a reasonable contract is a bad decision.

"...the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon..."

At least you got something right.

BAM! Sophistry in your face, son!

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#100 StHenriOilBomb
September 19 2013, 08:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Of course it's "doable" if you have the right players at the right price to plug into those spots and IF you can win a cup that way.

I would think the two 3rd line wingers are likely to run you at least $2.0M each if they are any good, so that leaves you with $1.2M for the last 3 forward spots.

If you look at Detroit as a contending but not championship team, their 4th line is currently:

Nyquist ($950K ELC)

Helm ($2.1M)

Tootoo ($1.9M)

Because Detroit only has 3 (Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Howard) making more than $5M in 2014/15, they have a ton of flexibility and yet still have a very solid core.

Don't forget that when they won their last cup there were 5 players making 5mil or more.

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