Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Seven more years

Jonathan Willis
September 19 2013 02:11PM

 

The Edmonton Oilers announced on Thursday that they had signed centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to a seven-year contract extension.

The cap hit - $6 million per season - matches those of Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. By signing those two players to $6 million/year contracts, the Oilers established a benchmark for both Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and, presumably, Nail Yakupov one year from now.

Some will doubtless question the dollars involved here - particularly with Nugent-Hopkins coming off a difficult half-season - but the fact is that the 2011 first overall pick has scored at a level in the NHL that can make the Oilers feel very comfortable with his long-term upside:

Like Tyler Dellow, I tend to think that a bridge contract was never a likely outcome here. Not only that, but a bridge contract is a way to defer when a player is paid and minimize risk. In the case of the Oilers, it makes no sense to pay less now so they can pay more later, and in the case of Nugent-Hopkins the risk is minimal - this wasn't a late pick surprising, this is a guy with a track record of performance that made him first in his draft class and got him into the NHL at 18, and then saw him produce in the world's toughest league at an age when many future stars are still back in junior.

This is a good player to bet on. The money is a little steeper right now than it would be in a perfect world, but this has the potential to be a bargain contract relative to performance very soon. Given that Nugent-Hopkins has a year left on his entry-level contract, this new pact might turn out to be fair value from day one. By the end of this deal, the terms should be excellent value for the team.

Nail Yakupov's contract is now a fait accompli, meaning the Oilers will have four forwards at the cost of $24 million. Some will lump Justin Schultz in with that group; he may or may not get the same deal but he hasn't earned it today - with one year left on his entry-level contract, 2013-14 is shaping up to be a very big year for Schultz. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#101 Racki
September 19 2013, 08:57PM
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Detroit's "tonne of flexibility" is also the team that has the highest cap in the NHL.

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#102 dougtheslug
September 19 2013, 09:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

This from the king-troll of the thread hijack

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#103 dougtheslug
September 19 2013, 09:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

This from the king-troll of the thread hijack

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#104 drdoogie
September 19 2013, 09:28PM
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Okay, let's just stop with the constant comparisons to Chicago, Pittsburgh and every other good team that bottomed out. Did Vancouver, New Jersey and Boston bottom out for 5 straight years to eventually get them into the big dance over the past few years? Who cares how many young studs you have unless you actually see progression? Even if they manage to make the playoffs this year, the next year they may miss them again. So what?? Are people going to jump off the High Level bridge then?? Take a chill pill and enjoy the games and let the chips fall where they may. If the nerd that wrote this blog wants to profess to being the king wordsmith of northern alberta by disecting anyone that challenges his opinion, then I would suggest the words 'get a life' may apply here. Go Oil!!

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#105 Racki
September 19 2013, 09:34PM
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Carrying on with my rant about teams top 3 forwards...

PIT: Crosby, Malkin, Neal ($22.4M)

MIN: Parise, Koivu, Heatley ($21.79M)

CAR: Staalx2 , Semin ($21.25m)

WAS: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich ($20.7m)

ANA: Perry, Getzlaf, Koivu ($20.375m)

SJS: Thornton, Marleau, Burns (converted..) ($19.66M)

NYR: Nash, Richards, Callahan ($18.74M)

CHI: Kane, Toews, Sharp ($18.5M)

DET: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfie ($18.2M)

TBL: Stamkos, St. Louis, Filppula ($18.125M)

EDM: Hall, Nuge, Eberle ($18M)

LAK: Kopitar, Richards, Carter ($17.82m)

CBJ: Gaborik, Horton, Umberger ($17.4M)

BOS: Lucic, Iginla, Krejci ( $17.25M)

VAN: Sedin, Sedin, Kesler ($17.2M)

DAL: Seguin, Horcoff, Benn ($16.5M)

OTT: Spezza, Ryan, Michalek ($16.43M)

NJD: Zajac, Elias, Clowe ($16.1M)

TOR: Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson ($15.9M)

BUF: Vanek, Leino, Hodgson ($15.89M)

COL: Stastny, O'Reilly, Parenteau ($15.6M)

WIN: Wheeler, Kane, Little ($15.5M)

PHX: Ribeiro, Doan, Vermette ($14.55M)

MTL: Plekanec, Gionta, Pacioretty ($14.5M)

CGY: Camalleri, Hudler, Jones ($14M)

PHI: Hartnell, Lecavalier, Voracek ($13.5M)

NSH: Legwand, Hornqvist, Fisher ($12.95M)

STL: Backes, Oshie, Stewart ($12.825M)

FLA: Fleischmann, Versteeg, Barkov ($12.48M)

NYI: Tavares, Bailey, Moulson ($11.93M)

League average is $15.8M. Oilers have the 11th most expensive forward trio. Is that terrible? Heck no, considering that the value on players constantly goes up, even though the cap went down, and the Oilers signed all 3 within the past year, approximately.

Also, the Oilers are just outside the top 3rd of the league for forwards.. closer more to the middle. So I consider that just fine, myself, for a team whose top 3 forwards are 23 at the oldest.

I think the Oilers are right in line with what these guys should be making. A lot of the teams on this list that have "bargain forwards" really actually just have CRAP forwards, or guys who are still on ELCs that will get paid, or they have money tied up elsewhere (such as Philly, who have most of their money in D).

I don't really think $18M for Hall, Eberle and Nuge is out of line at all.

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#106 mk
September 19 2013, 09:37PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Wrong. The claim was that these deals were pieces in building a dynasty like the Blackhawks. My argument was that (irrespective of whether they achieve some sort of dynasty) the Oilers won't achieve the same things as the Hawks did.

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#107 AltF4
September 19 2013, 09:41PM
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drdoogie wrote:

Okay, let's just stop with the constant comparisons to Chicago, Pittsburgh and every other good team that bottomed out. Did Vancouver, New Jersey and Boston bottom out for 5 straight years to eventually get them into the big dance over the past few years? Who cares how many young studs you have unless you actually see progression? Even if they manage to make the playoffs this year, the next year they may miss them again. So what?? Are people going to jump off the High Level bridge then?? Take a chill pill and enjoy the games and let the chips fall where they may. If the nerd that wrote this blog wants to profess to being the king wordsmith of northern alberta by disecting anyone that challenges his opinion, then I would suggest the words 'get a life' may apply here. Go Oil!!

It's "dissecting", you obnoxious muttonhead. Consider yourself privileged to post your foul smelling comments on his turf.

His "opinion" is arguments supported by factually based research, which so happens to crush the soul out of comments from people like yourself, DSF, etc.

Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

DOUBLE IDIOM!

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#108 CaptainLander
September 19 2013, 09:53PM
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DSF's argument is that they will have issues meeting a cap that will not increase, and that the Oil sign Yak and Schultz to similar contracts. Why not a bridge contract? Say 2 years, would that not by the Oil the time to allow the cap to increase? Or any number of possible scenarios. Stick to your perfect record of hindsight Oil bashing predictions and avoid the future ones. Any team in the league would have given the Nuge that contract if they could.

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#109 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:05PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

DSF's argument is that they will have issues meeting a cap that will not increase, and that the Oil sign Yak and Schultz to similar contracts. Why not a bridge contract? Say 2 years, would that not by the Oil the time to allow the cap to increase? Or any number of possible scenarios. Stick to your perfect record of hindsight Oil bashing predictions and avoid the future ones. Any team in the league would have given the Nuge that contract if they could.

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

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#110 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:10PM
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Racki wrote:

Carrying on with my rant about teams top 3 forwards...

PIT: Crosby, Malkin, Neal ($22.4M)

MIN: Parise, Koivu, Heatley ($21.79M)

CAR: Staalx2 , Semin ($21.25m)

WAS: Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich ($20.7m)

ANA: Perry, Getzlaf, Koivu ($20.375m)

SJS: Thornton, Marleau, Burns (converted..) ($19.66M)

NYR: Nash, Richards, Callahan ($18.74M)

CHI: Kane, Toews, Sharp ($18.5M)

DET: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfie ($18.2M)

TBL: Stamkos, St. Louis, Filppula ($18.125M)

EDM: Hall, Nuge, Eberle ($18M)

LAK: Kopitar, Richards, Carter ($17.82m)

CBJ: Gaborik, Horton, Umberger ($17.4M)

BOS: Lucic, Iginla, Krejci ( $17.25M)

VAN: Sedin, Sedin, Kesler ($17.2M)

DAL: Seguin, Horcoff, Benn ($16.5M)

OTT: Spezza, Ryan, Michalek ($16.43M)

NJD: Zajac, Elias, Clowe ($16.1M)

TOR: Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson ($15.9M)

BUF: Vanek, Leino, Hodgson ($15.89M)

COL: Stastny, O'Reilly, Parenteau ($15.6M)

WIN: Wheeler, Kane, Little ($15.5M)

PHX: Ribeiro, Doan, Vermette ($14.55M)

MTL: Plekanec, Gionta, Pacioretty ($14.5M)

CGY: Camalleri, Hudler, Jones ($14M)

PHI: Hartnell, Lecavalier, Voracek ($13.5M)

NSH: Legwand, Hornqvist, Fisher ($12.95M)

STL: Backes, Oshie, Stewart ($12.825M)

FLA: Fleischmann, Versteeg, Barkov ($12.48M)

NYI: Tavares, Bailey, Moulson ($11.93M)

League average is $15.8M. Oilers have the 11th most expensive forward trio. Is that terrible? Heck no, considering that the value on players constantly goes up, even though the cap went down, and the Oilers signed all 3 within the past year, approximately.

Also, the Oilers are just outside the top 3rd of the league for forwards.. closer more to the middle. So I consider that just fine, myself, for a team whose top 3 forwards are 23 at the oldest.

I think the Oilers are right in line with what these guys should be making. A lot of the teams on this list that have "bargain forwards" really actually just have CRAP forwards, or guys who are still on ELCs that will get paid, or they have money tied up elsewhere (such as Philly, who have most of their money in D).

I don't really think $18M for Hall, Eberle and Nuge is out of line at all.

Thing is...every team ahead of the Oilers on your list is also substantially better than the Oilers.

The closest is likely Minnesota who would have bought out Heatley if he wasn't injured.

The problem is the Oilers (barring trade) are locked into those contracts for many, many years while teams like Dallas, Colorado and Detroit have short term flexibility while the Olers will have none.

As stated earlier, the Oilers will be fine if they are adept enough to build a Stanley Cup winner in the next 7 years but, given how they will be in very tough to hire quality secondary players, that won't be easy.

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#111 book¡e
September 19 2013, 10:12PM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Kadri at 22 appears to have reached a similar level to Hopkins at 19.

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#112 pkam
September 19 2013, 10:13PM
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DSF wrote:

This contract and the Schultz/Yakupov deals to follow pretty much signifies the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short.

If Schultz gets, say, $5M and Yakupov gets $6M (both very likely IMO), Petry gets $3.5M and Dubnyk gets $4M, the Oilers will need to have many players on ELC's just to get under the cap in 2015/16.

If those numbers above are close to accurate, the Oilers will have about $55M committed to the cap with only 12 players under contract.

If James Mirtle's salary cap projections for 2015/16 are accurate, the cap will be around $66M.

That means the Oilers will only have $11M to sign another 11 players.

That dog won't hunt.

Not sure how with your arguments you can come up with the conclusion that the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short.

Not saying I agree with your cap projection, but assuming you are correct, the Oilers will have a cap problem in 2015/16. But salary should go up after 2015/16 so our situation will improve with all the long term contracts. If we don't have enough cap space to sign another 11 players in 2015/16, we should be able to in 16/17 or 17/18 with the increase in salary cap and no increase in our long term contracts. So I don't understand why our window is very soon and short.

Another argument is many teams will have cap problem in 2015/16, and most of them will likely be worse than our situation. When there is not enough HRR to provide a higher cap, teams will have less money to sign their players and players will have to lower their asking price to get a contract. So 3rd and 4th line UFA will be more affordable.

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#113 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:14PM
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Racki wrote:

Detroit's "tonne of flexibility" is also the team that has the highest cap in the NHL.

Try and look farther than the end of your nose.

Detroit will have almost $19M in free cap space going into the 2014/15 season with all their core players locked up.

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#114 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:15PM
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pkam wrote:

Not sure how with your arguments you can come up with the conclusion that the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short.

Not saying I agree with your cap projection, but assuming you are correct, the Oilers will have a cap problem in 2015/16. But salary should go up after 2015/16 so our situation will improve with all the long term contracts. If we don't have enough cap space to sign another 11 players in 2015/16, we should be able to in 16/17 or 17/18 with the increase in salary cap and no increase in our long term contracts. So I don't understand why our window is very soon and short.

Another argument is many teams will have cap problem in 2015/16, and most of them will likely be worse than our situation. When there is not enough HRR to provide a higher cap, teams will have less money to sign their players and players will have to lower their asking price to get a contract. So 3rd and 4th line UFA will be more affordable.

Which teams?

Be specific.

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#115 Time Travelling Sean
September 19 2013, 10:17PM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Is there? At 20 Kadri was still in the AHL, and RNH is a quality NHLer with 1 shoulder, imagine him with 1 and another enhanced/engineered one, plus he's growing into his body and getting more chemistry with Hall/Yak/Schultz.

RNH is going to improve offensively this year over last, not to mention carry over his improved defensive play.

If Kadri doesn't regress he'll be an excellent top 3 forward on most NHL teams, but he probably will.

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#116 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:17PM
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mk wrote:

Wrong. The claim was that these deals were pieces in building a dynasty like the Blackhawks. My argument was that (irrespective of whether they achieve some sort of dynasty) the Oilers won't achieve the same things as the Hawks did.

Which is both speculative and off-topic. A red herring.

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#117 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:19PM
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book¡e wrote:

Kadri at 22 appears to have reached a similar level to Hopkins at 19.

And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

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#118 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:21PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Is there? At 20 Kadri was still in the AHL, and RNH is a quality NHLer with 1 shoulder, imagine him with 1 and another enhanced/engineered one, plus he's growing into his body and getting more chemistry with Hall/Yak/Schultz.

RNH is going to improve offensively this year over last, not to mention carry over his improved defensive play.

If Kadri doesn't regress he'll be an excellent top 3 forward on most NHL teams, but he probably will.

Imagine Hopkins recovers from his surgery the same way Horcoff and Hemsky did.

In other words, he is a ghost of his former self.

It's a huge risk.

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#119 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is...every team ahead of the Oilers on your list is also substantially better than the Oilers.

The closest is likely Minnesota who would have bought out Heatley if he wasn't injured.

The problem is the Oilers (barring trade) are locked into those contracts for many, many years while teams like Dallas, Colorado and Detroit have short term flexibility while the Olers will have none.

As stated earlier, the Oilers will be fine if they are adept enough to build a Stanley Cup winner in the next 7 years but, given how they will be in very tough to hire quality secondary players, that won't be easy.

Wow!

Carolina is "substantially better" than the Oilers! and Tampa too!

Bettman must be tinkering with the standings again.

"the Oilers will be fine if they are adept enough to build a Stanley Cup winner in the next 7 years"

This is probably my favorite failed troll attempt ever. It should be bronzed.

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#120 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:22PM
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book¡e wrote:

Kadri at 22 appears to have reached a similar level to Hopkins at 19.

You think that 22 year old shooting percentage over 48 games is going to last?

No, I don't either.

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#121 AltF4
September 19 2013, 10:22PM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Right, the Oilers should consider the Toronto Maple Leafs glowing record of management of young, skilled players as a basis for their decisions.

You may as well start a business modeled after Enron.

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#122 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:23PM
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@pkam

"Not sure how with your arguments you can come up with the conclusion that the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short."

In crazy DSF relative land, "very soon and very short" is 7 years.

Longer than most marriages.

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#123 bassguy
September 19 2013, 10:25PM
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wow..I have read DSF comments before with interest, knowing that he is a fan of hockey, albeit a critic of most anything oilers, which points to probably being a homer of some sort(Vancouver?)but I have never read anything that floored me more than tonight. Comparing Kadri with RNH as being equal? there is no way, if you have watched the Nuge at all, that they are in the same stratosphere(when the nuge is healthy(but maybe not even then?)he is such a sublime passer, skater, quaterback etc..I think I heard today, as a rookie, he is 5th alltime in points/per games played!..book it

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#124 AltF4
September 19 2013, 10:26PM
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Hey, the guy said they have a window to win the cup "very soon".

Most intelligent statement from his keyboard tonight.

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#125 DSF
September 19 2013, 10:31PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

You think that 22 year old shooting percentage over 48 games is going to last?

No, I don't either.

That's almost as unsustainable as a player who scores most of his points on the PP and can't score on the road.

Hopkins scored only 2 goals and 13 points at evens last season.

Kadri scored 13 goals and 36 points at evens.

Kadri scored 25 points on the road last season.

Hopkins scored 15.

Hopkins had 3:03 PPTOI/G last season.

Kadri was 2:12.

Conclusion:

Hopkins is a PP specialist who can be shut down on the road.

Kadri is a PPG player at evens and scored more points on the road than at home.

Go figure.

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#126 Racki
September 19 2013, 10:33PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is...every team ahead of the Oilers on your list is also substantially better than the Oilers.

The closest is likely Minnesota who would have bought out Heatley if he wasn't injured.

The problem is the Oilers (barring trade) are locked into those contracts for many, many years while teams like Dallas, Colorado and Detroit have short term flexibility while the Olers will have none.

As stated earlier, the Oilers will be fine if they are adept enough to build a Stanley Cup winner in the next 7 years but, given how they will be in very tough to hire quality secondary players, that won't be easy.

What a revelation that a team that has been scraping the bottom of the league for the past few years would have several teams "substantially better" than them. Thanks for that superb analysis.

If we want to be saying every team, then we can be a bit more accurate and also exclude Tampa and Carolina... but that was besides my point.

The point was, most teams are dropping big coin on their top forwards. The Oilers aren't putting themselves in any worse position than other teams.

It should be noted that I only included the top 3 FORWARDS.. some of these other teams top 3 would include d-men. In addition, Edmonton is a team that can spend to the cap, whereas a lot of the teams near the bottom of the list don't have a hope in hell of being near the cap, or they would do so as well.

Again, the point, which seems to have sailed past you... the Oilers have top 3 players are paid quite well, but that is consistent with a good percentage of the rest of the league.

It's no secret that the Oilers are a team near the bottom (but on the rise, which is potentially debatable), so you can spare us all the stupid obvious comments that several other teams out there are better. You might not think so, but most people, including most NHL players, believe that will change within the next few years.

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#127 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:35PM
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@DSF

so you are committed to the idea that last season was representative of the production of these two players.

Good for you. keen insight abounds.

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#128 jonnyquixote
September 19 2013, 10:43PM
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Harry wrote:

Yak loves being an Oiler so why would he hold out over 500-750k?

If hes smart he sees a very good oportunity to play with 3 very good players for a long time.

Dito for Shultz who lets not forget CHOSE this team over 29 others.

Yak has a real smart agent in Igor Larionov so I see his contract being as easy to sign as the others.

Fab 5 are here to stay for a long long time!!

I hope you're right, but it seems like wishful thinking - I think we can agree, that's best case scenario.

If Larionov is so smart, he'll recognize that economics dictate that Yakupov not accept an artificially imposed salary cap set by another agent, and instead get a contract that reflects his market value (as set by both what NHL and KHL teams will be willing to pay for him).

Which - assuming he matches Hall's output and accomplishments over the first 2 seasons of his career - would indicate a raise over Hall's contract signed in 2012. (And assuming Yak exceeds Hall's accomplishments...)

If Larionov is a 'real smart agent' - and I agree that he is - he's not going to let Bobby Orr set Yakupov's salary simply as a fait accompli.

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#129 madjam
September 19 2013, 10:46PM
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Lots of teams were better than we were last year - but such will not be the case this year . Some newbies are looking good to improve our results . Currently Joensuu , Ference , Nurse and Perron add plenty to our new look . Nurse is top 2 right now with Ference until about 6 others can show they are better - which isn't happening so far . As Eaves alluded to , you earn your spot and Nurse has done that so far .

Others should all see vast improvement this year in results , effort and team play . This will be a breakout year , but most are so accustomed to watching us lose you'll probably miss the enjoyment of watching us surface until late in the year . Onward and upward .

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#130 Woogie63
September 19 2013, 11:02PM
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Wow this is a long term for a player coming off a bad year. Two injury in two years....i think RNH was 142 in league scoring last year.

It feels like a little to fast to tie up that much term when you could have taken 40 or 80 games to understand if want to be "married" for the next 560 games.

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#131 Spoils
September 19 2013, 11:03PM
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@pkam

RNH, Hall, Ebs, then Yak sure, but ideally we are tossing Klefbom and Nurse on that salary pile as well.

didn't the Canucks take a pay cut to keep the team together?

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#132 Ebsformayor
September 19 2013, 11:12PM
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DSF wrote:

And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

And?

In 102 nhl games nuge has 76 points to kadri's 99 games at 63 points. I would say that's a more objective stat to look at. It's taken kadri 2 more years to reach the nhl, where nuge was an impact player instantly. While playing injured.

Oilers were a dreadful possession team as well

Kadri's an RFA in 15-16 so let's compare salaries then...and production totals since you like numbers so much. Whether you accept it or not, the nuge has accomplished similar numbers in less time than kadri. Safe to say by the time he's 22 those numbers will eclipse kadri's.

Oilers hold competitive advantage hands down.

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#133 Harry
September 19 2013, 11:18PM
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jonnyquixote wrote:

I hope you're right, but it seems like wishful thinking - I think we can agree, that's best case scenario.

If Larionov is so smart, he'll recognize that economics dictate that Yakupov not accept an artificially imposed salary cap set by another agent, and instead get a contract that reflects his market value (as set by both what NHL and KHL teams will be willing to pay for him).

Which - assuming he matches Hall's output and accomplishments over the first 2 seasons of his career - would indicate a raise over Hall's contract signed in 2012. (And assuming Yak exceeds Hall's accomplishments...)

If Larionov is a 'real smart agent' - and I agree that he is - he's not going to let Bobby Orr set Yakupov's salary simply as a fait accompli.

I hate to say it but if yakupov or shultz ask for more than 6 mil per season they will be traded.

I dont see either of them doing that

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#134 Harry
September 19 2013, 11:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Imagine Hopkins recovers from his surgery the same way Horcoff and Hemsky did.

In other words, he is a ghost of his former self.

It's a huge risk.

Do you honestly think MacT or.anyone for that matter is stupid enough to give 40+mil to a guy who they think wont be healthy?

And Horcoff is garbage so please never bring up his name again

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#135 pkam
September 19 2013, 11:40PM
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DSF wrote:

Which teams?

Be specific.

Carolina:

E. Staal: 8.25M Semin: 7.0M J. Staal: 6.0M Skinner: 5.725M Tuomo: 4.75M Ward: 6.3M So 4 top 6 forwards, a 3C and a starting goalie, 6 players for 38M, with 28M left to sign 2 top 6 forward, 4 top 4 D and 11 bottom 8 F and bottom 3 D and backup goalie. Even if they can sign the 2 top 6 F and the 4 top 4 d at 3.5M each, it will take up another 21M. So 59M for 12 players, with 7M left to sign the other 11 players.

Pens: Crosby: 8.7M Malkin: 9.5M Neal: 5M Pascal: 3.75M Kunitz: 3.725M Letang: 7.25M Scuderi: 3.375M So 5 top 6 F and 2 top 4 D, 7 players for 41M and no starting goalie. So 25M for 1 top 6 forward, 2 top 4D and a starting goalie and 12 more players. Even they can sign the top 6 F and top 2 D at 3.5M each and the goalie at 4.5M, it will be another 15m and 10M left for the other 12 players.

I don't want to list every team but you can look it up yourself. Wilds, Kings, Capitals, Bruins are in similar situation.

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#136 pkam
September 19 2013, 11:49PM
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RNH, Hall, Ebs, then Yak sure, but ideally we are tossing Klefbom and Nurse on that salary pile as well.

didn't the Canucks take a pay cut to keep the team together?

Why should we rip off our players instead of sign them to fair market value?

Did Crosby and Malkin take a pay cut? Did Kane and Toews take a pay cut? Did Kopitar and Doughty take a pay cut?

If the Canucks get so many pay cut from their players, why the teams I list above all won the cup in the last 5 years and all the Canucks get is swept in the 1st round?

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Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

3 years ago there was a pretty good argument that Seguin would be better than Hall.

2 years ago, there was pretty good argument that Hall was a bust.

Last year, there was pretty good argument that Hall was injury prone.

You can choose to believe whatever you like, only time will tell who is the better player.

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#138 pkam
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Yea, I would really be pissed off too if I was only making 5.5 million a year.

Seriously, who comes up with this?

Because you don't have the talent to make even 1/10 of that.

If everyone in your team is making 60K a year, how do you feel if your boss only offer you 55K?

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#139 pkam
September 20 2013, 12:14AM
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Nuge is now making more than John Tavares.. What are the Oilers thinking? Should have given them all 5m contracts but they caved in too early.

Who here would rather have Nuge than Tavares on their team? Exactly. Terrible overpayment for a fragile and soft center.

Anyone who has some hockey knowledge will not write a comment like this.

Do I want Taveres at 5.5M over RNH? You bet.

The fact is Taveres at 5.5M is the best NHL bargain. Any contract compares to his is an overpayment.

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#140 pkam
September 20 2013, 12:23AM
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Wow this is a long term for a player coming off a bad year. Two injury in two years....i think RNH was 142 in league scoring last year.

It feels like a little to fast to tie up that much term when you could have taken 40 or 80 games to understand if want to be "married" for the next 560 games.

The simple answer to your question is: opportunity.

We can wait till the end of the year, but if he has strong performance, we will have to pay him more or risk to go to arbitration or match offersheet.

Last year, we could have locked up Gagner to 4-5 years at around 4.0M but management choose to watch for another year and sign a one year bridge at 3.2M. He has a good year and we end up have to sign him at 4.8M.

It is a gamble and you win if you are correct and lose otherwise. If you think he is going to get better, you lock him up early before the opportunity is gone.

Just look at Hall, do you think we can still sign him at 6M per with the number he has this year?

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September 20 2013, 12:29AM
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Hahahahahahaha Kadri is as good as Hopkins?!? Hahahahahahaha Kadri.. He's decent, but sadly DSF he's no Hopkins, its ridiculous to even suggest such a notion. 30 out of 30 GM's take The Nuge.

Comparing Hopkins Season last year that was crippled with an injury to a season against a player that was not is well.. How about their respective AHL numbers before the lockout? Why don't we compare their world jr stats, it's recent in Hopkins case and it works.. What happened, Hopkins was the best player at the tournament, can Kadri boost a statement in his résumé? No.

Lets never speak on this again

Good Grief

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#142 Smythyyy
September 20 2013, 01:48AM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Hah! This was a good laugh. Please do humor us and let us hear you explain why Kadri is at least as good as RNH. Are you basing it on Kadri's one good year last year? If that's your case then you have an even worse eye for talent than I initially thought.

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September 20 2013, 06:19AM
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The future best line in the NHL is now locked up for years at $6 million each. I think we can finally come up with a nickname for this line.

"The six million dollar men" "The Steve Austin Trio" "The bionic 3"

Bionic eye - Nuge with his sublime vision Bionic legs - Hall with his killer speed Bionic right arm - Eberle and his deadly shot.

And with two shoulder surgeries...."gentlemen, we can rebuild them..."

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#144 The Beaker
September 20 2013, 06:45AM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

I think it is every ON posters duty to copy and past this question/statement by DSF for use in the future.

What an asshat.

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#145 The Beaker
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Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

I think it is every ON posters duty to copy and past this question/statement by DSF for use in the future.

What an asshat.

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#146 book¡e
September 20 2013, 06:52AM
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And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

Good Grief. Try to think past the end of your nose!

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#147 Kodiak
September 20 2013, 07:46AM
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And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

You say look past your nose and then only look at 2014/15? Hilarious. What about 2015/16 when Kadri puts up big numbers over the next two years and is negotiating a contract with a higher cap. He'll be wanting $8m+/yr?

The only risk to Nuge's contract is him not delivering and I think from what everyone has seen that won't be an issue. TML's risk is Kadri does deliver and they can't afford him in his prime.

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#148 michael
September 20 2013, 07:48AM
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The only people who think Kadri is better than RNH are DSF and anyone with eyes that can see.

The trolls and naysayers will always look to bring the Oilers down. I for one see the cornerstones for a competitive franchise for years to come.

Skill and Character equal Stability and Success.

Book it DSF.

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#149 Clyde Frog
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@DSF

After a long night DSF stares at the ceiling in bleary eyed contentment.

He had done it! He had fended off every attack or thought these silly Oiler fans dared to have, many without even reading them!

He was getting that good, DSF now only needed to read 15% of a post to get the gist and provide the magnificent counter punch he is famous (on the internet) for!

With practice he firmly believes he will be able to respond with even less of his time wasted reading the actual thoughts of his fans... Then he will have the ultimate ability to crush the hopes of a entire fanbase who are silly enough to enjoy their team.

Microwaving his celebratory twinky, he pushes each and every Mike Gillis bobble head doll of his 164 doll collection, until all of them are bobbing up and down in unison...

Smiling knowingly while pops the steaming hot twinky into his mouth, he starts to plot his next move in proving how RNH's 50+ point rookie season was nothing more than an abberation; feeling the acceptance and support of his 164 Gillis's is all he needs to give him the strength to carry on the fight...

Well that and more hot pockets... How can Mother expect him to perform at his peak if he is constantly out of hot pockets!? He has no time for food that can't be cooked in under 2 minutes! Grabbing his broom he starts banging the ceiling to wake Mother so she can hurry to the store!

He has no time to waste himself! The Gillis's are right! By now there will be at least 4 more fans who have allowed hope to enter their hearts!

With a sigh he brushes the crumbs from his shirt and leaps towards his keyboard, he must do as the Gillis's will it! For who else can understand their complex genius if not he?

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#150 Paul
September 20 2013, 08:10AM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

After a long night DSF stares at the ceiling in bleary eyed contentment.

He had done it! He had fended off every attack or thought these silly Oiler fans dared to have, many without even reading them!

He was getting that good, DSF now only needed to read 15% of a post to get the gist and provide the magnificent counter punch he is famous (on the internet) for!

With practice he firmly believes he will be able to respond with even less of his time wasted reading the actual thoughts of his fans... Then he will have the ultimate ability to crush the hopes of a entire fanbase who are silly enough to enjoy their team.

Microwaving his celebratory twinky, he pushes each and every Mike Gillis bobble head doll of his 164 doll collection, until all of them are bobbing up and down in unison...

Smiling knowingly while pops the steaming hot twinky into his mouth, he starts to plot his next move in proving how RNH's 50+ point rookie season was nothing more than an abberation; feeling the acceptance and support of his 164 Gillis's is all he needs to give him the strength to carry on the fight...

Well that and more hot pockets... How can Mother expect him to perform at his peak if he is constantly out of hot pockets!? He has no time for food that can't be cooked in under 2 minutes! Grabbing his broom he starts banging the ceiling to wake Mother so she can hurry to the store!

He has no time to waste himself! The Gillis's are right! By now there will be at least 4 more fans who have allowed hope to enter their hearts!

With a sigh he brushes the crumbs from his shirt and leaps towards his keyboard, he must do as the Gillis's will it! For who else can understand their complex genius if not he?

Hahaha, I missed these. Thanks for the laugh on a Friday morning.

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