Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Seven more years

Jonathan Willis
September 19 2013 02:11PM

 

The Edmonton Oilers announced on Thursday that they had signed centre Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to a seven-year contract extension.

The cap hit - $6 million per season - matches those of Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. By signing those two players to $6 million/year contracts, the Oilers established a benchmark for both Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and, presumably, Nail Yakupov one year from now.

Some will doubtless question the dollars involved here - particularly with Nugent-Hopkins coming off a difficult half-season - but the fact is that the 2011 first overall pick has scored at a level in the NHL that can make the Oilers feel very comfortable with his long-term upside:

Like Tyler Dellow, I tend to think that a bridge contract was never a likely outcome here. Not only that, but a bridge contract is a way to defer when a player is paid and minimize risk. In the case of the Oilers, it makes no sense to pay less now so they can pay more later, and in the case of Nugent-Hopkins the risk is minimal - this wasn't a late pick surprising, this is a guy with a track record of performance that made him first in his draft class and got him into the NHL at 18, and then saw him produce in the world's toughest league at an age when many future stars are still back in junior.

This is a good player to bet on. The money is a little steeper right now than it would be in a perfect world, but this has the potential to be a bargain contract relative to performance very soon. Given that Nugent-Hopkins has a year left on his entry-level contract, this new pact might turn out to be fair value from day one. By the end of this deal, the terms should be excellent value for the team.

Nail Yakupov's contract is now a fait accompli, meaning the Oilers will have four forwards at the cost of $24 million. Some will lump Justin Schultz in with that group; he may or may not get the same deal but he hasn't earned it today - with one year left on his entry-level contract, 2013-14 is shaping up to be a very big year for Schultz. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Ducey
September 19 2013, 04:28PM
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Here is an article (from a month ago) that says the cap could be $80 M in 4 years - per Elliot Freidman

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/8/21/4643490/nhl-salary-cap-80-million

If true, the Oilers might be locking up players longterm at exactly the right time.

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#52 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is, the Wild are paying 3 elite players with an established record of success that kind of money.

And even with Heatley's boat anchor contract on the books are only the 23rd highest spending team in the league with $3.75M in cap space this season.

The Oilers are already the 10th highest payroll team in the league BEFORE the Hopkins, Schultz, Yakupov and Petry deals.

who are the non-elite, non-track record Oilers were talking about again?

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#53 Time Travelling Sean
September 19 2013, 10:17PM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Is there? At 20 Kadri was still in the AHL, and RNH is a quality NHLer with 1 shoulder, imagine him with 1 and another enhanced/engineered one, plus he's growing into his body and getting more chemistry with Hall/Yak/Schultz.

RNH is going to improve offensively this year over last, not to mention carry over his improved defensive play.

If Kadri doesn't regress he'll be an excellent top 3 forward on most NHL teams, but he probably will.

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#54 DSF
September 19 2013, 03:02PM
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This contract and the Schultz/Yakupov deals to follow pretty much signifies the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short.

If Schultz gets, say, $5M and Yakupov gets $6M (both very likely IMO), Petry gets $3.5M and Dubnyk gets $4M, the Oilers will need to have many players on ELC's just to get under the cap in 2015/16.

If those numbers above are close to accurate, the Oilers will have about $55M committed to the cap with only 12 players under contract.

If James Mirtle's salary cap projections for 2015/16 are accurate, the cap will be around $66M.

That means the Oilers will only have $11M to sign another 11 players.

That dog won't hunt.

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#55 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:02PM
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@DSF

Mirtle is giving a conservative estimate, with growth at 5% per year, while noting growth during the past CBA averaged 7.2%.

Either way, it's not a problem, but we should acknowledge he is already projecting a conservative estimate and it is probably more likely to be rosy than bleak going forward.

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#56 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:55PM
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DSF wrote:

Jon, you know as well as I do that there is more than posting scoring numbers to winning hockey games.

Koivu, for example, is an elite two way centre and Parise is the same.

I notice you didn't mention Suter in your boxcar comparison.

I agree those long contracts will be a nightmare for the Wild in another 5 years or so, but that's an entirely different issue.

Who compares F to D scoring rates?

Parise is a Center?

Hall, Eberle and RNH aren't elite two-way players for their age?

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#57 OilFanInVan
September 19 2013, 02:12PM
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Boom!

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#58 pkam
September 19 2013, 04:01PM
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DSF wrote:

Sorry...typo there corrected before your post showed up.

I agree the Penguins are in a similar situation and Shero has been very adept at filling out his roster with low priced options.

But remember he had to move Jordan Staal to make things work.

Also worth noting that Hopkins is NOT Crosby. Hall is NOT Malkin and Eberle is NOT James Neal.

But even with those players on board, the Penguins have not a won a cup since 2008/09 and haven't made it back to the finals since then.

I think you could make a pretty strong argument that the reason for that is that their support players are not good enough and Pittsburgh doesn't have the cap space to do anything about that.

A better comparable would be the Blackhawks who have their top players all below the Kane/Toews $6.3M contracts and an excellent group of young forwards playing on ELC's.

Even then, the Hawks are going to hit a cap crunch in the 2014/15 season when they have almost $60M committed to only 14 players.

Shero didn't move Jordan Staal to make things work. He offered 6M for 6 years to Jordan but Jordan turned it down.

If Shero signed Jordan Staal, he probably won't be able to sign Neal.

Bottom line is, most cap spending team spends about 80% on their top 6 forward, top 4 defense and starting goalie.

Not just the Pens and the Hawks, you can look at the Wilds, Hurricanes, NYR, Flyers, etc. If about a dozen of cap spending team can do it and several of them have won a SC, why do we think it will be a problem only for the Oilers?

I agree Hall, Eberle and RNH are not Crosby and Malkin, but any one of them will be at least as good if not better than Neal.

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#59 Racki
September 19 2013, 10:33PM
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DSF wrote:

Thing is...every team ahead of the Oilers on your list is also substantially better than the Oilers.

The closest is likely Minnesota who would have bought out Heatley if he wasn't injured.

The problem is the Oilers (barring trade) are locked into those contracts for many, many years while teams like Dallas, Colorado and Detroit have short term flexibility while the Olers will have none.

As stated earlier, the Oilers will be fine if they are adept enough to build a Stanley Cup winner in the next 7 years but, given how they will be in very tough to hire quality secondary players, that won't be easy.

What a revelation that a team that has been scraping the bottom of the league for the past few years would have several teams "substantially better" than them. Thanks for that superb analysis.

If we want to be saying every team, then we can be a bit more accurate and also exclude Tampa and Carolina... but that was besides my point.

The point was, most teams are dropping big coin on their top forwards. The Oilers aren't putting themselves in any worse position than other teams.

It should be noted that I only included the top 3 FORWARDS.. some of these other teams top 3 would include d-men. In addition, Edmonton is a team that can spend to the cap, whereas a lot of the teams near the bottom of the list don't have a hope in hell of being near the cap, or they would do so as well.

Again, the point, which seems to have sailed past you... the Oilers have top 3 players are paid quite well, but that is consistent with a good percentage of the rest of the league.

It's no secret that the Oilers are a team near the bottom (but on the rise, which is potentially debatable), so you can spare us all the stupid obvious comments that several other teams out there are better. You might not think so, but most people, including most NHL players, believe that will change within the next few years.

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#60 Ebsformayor
September 19 2013, 11:12PM
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DSF wrote:

And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

And?

In 102 nhl games nuge has 76 points to kadri's 99 games at 63 points. I would say that's a more objective stat to look at. It's taken kadri 2 more years to reach the nhl, where nuge was an impact player instantly. While playing injured.

Oilers were a dreadful possession team as well

Kadri's an RFA in 15-16 so let's compare salaries then...and production totals since you like numbers so much. Whether you accept it or not, the nuge has accomplished similar numbers in less time than kadri. Safe to say by the time he's 22 those numbers will eclipse kadri's.

Oilers hold competitive advantage hands down.

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#61 Supernova
September 19 2013, 02:51PM
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Hayek wrote:

Ok deal, but after last season, would have been nice to get him at a discount, maybe something in the $5.5M per season range.

Probably not the greatest negotiation on MacT's part, but once Eberle was signed to an overpayment of $6M/season, RNH probably wouldn't settle for less.

fair point,

do you think it is worth trying to get him on a slightly cap hit, but have him feel the lesser player and slighted for a long term deal.

If the Oilers weren't comfortable at $6 million per year, the next best option was the 2 year bridge deal.

not $5.5 for 6 or 7 years.

Simply not worth the off ice implications.

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#62 Bucknuck
September 19 2013, 06:01PM
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Great deal for the Oilers. Great deal for Nuge.

In two years when they have to pay Yakupov, many things may have changed, so I don't know why folks are foaming at the mouth about the cap hit and the implications when there are so many unknown factors involved. If the Oil have cap trouble, then they have to make a trade. How exciting is that!? It's not a bad scenario to have too many awesome players.

This is a good day. I think this is going to be a good season; relax and enjoy it.

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#63 AltF4
September 19 2013, 08:52PM
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The thought of DSF playing GM of the Oilers amuses me. If this was a mistake, I'd really love to know what DSF would do instead in this situation.

Always is interesting to read someones take on why signing an elite player to a reasonable contract is a bad decision.

"...the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon..."

At least you got something right.

BAM! Sophistry in your face, son!

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#64 dougtheslug
September 19 2013, 09:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

This from the king-troll of the thread hijack

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#65 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 10:23PM
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@pkam

"Not sure how with your arguments you can come up with the conclusion that the Oilers window to win a cup will be very soon and very short."

In crazy DSF relative land, "very soon and very short" is 7 years.

Longer than most marriages.

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#66 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 20 2013, 09:00AM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

After a long night DSF stares at the ceiling in bleary eyed contentment.

He had done it! He had fended off every attack or thought these silly Oiler fans dared to have, many without even reading them!

He was getting that good, DSF now only needed to read 15% of a post to get the gist and provide the magnificent counter punch he is famous (on the internet) for!

With practice he firmly believes he will be able to respond with even less of his time wasted reading the actual thoughts of his fans... Then he will have the ultimate ability to crush the hopes of a entire fanbase who are silly enough to enjoy their team.

Microwaving his celebratory twinky, he pushes each and every Mike Gillis bobble head doll of his 164 doll collection, until all of them are bobbing up and down in unison...

Smiling knowingly while pops the steaming hot twinky into his mouth, he starts to plot his next move in proving how RNH's 50+ point rookie season was nothing more than an abberation; feeling the acceptance and support of his 164 Gillis's is all he needs to give him the strength to carry on the fight...

Well that and more hot pockets... How can Mother expect him to perform at his peak if he is constantly out of hot pockets!? He has no time for food that can't be cooked in under 2 minutes! Grabbing his broom he starts banging the ceiling to wake Mother so she can hurry to the store!

He has no time to waste himself! The Gillis's are right! By now there will be at least 4 more fans who have allowed hope to enter their hearts!

With a sigh he brushes the crumbs from his shirt and leaps towards his keyboard, he must do as the Gillis's will it! For who else can understand their complex genius if not he?

The thought of DSF sitting there in front of 164 nodding Gillis bobble heads...

My freaking sides

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#67 Mikey
September 19 2013, 02:33PM
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So what will Justin get? And I pray that the cap keeps going up.

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#68 bazmagoo
September 19 2013, 02:38PM
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Mikey wrote:

So what will Justin get? And I pray that the cap keeps going up.

I have a feeling Justin gets a bridge contract like a lot of young defenders seem to be getting these days. Two years at 3.5 million, keeps him RFA at the end of the two years. Just a hunch.

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#69 Gaz
September 20 2013, 08:29AM
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There's a reason the authors choose to engage ol' DSF on a limited basis, and it isn't because he's overwhelming them intellectually.

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#70 geoilersgist
September 20 2013, 08:53AM
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@Clyde Frog

What a great way to start a Friday hahaha. Classic.

On a side note, I would like some of what DSF is having if he thinks Kadri is anywhere near the level of The Nuge

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#71 pkam
September 19 2013, 02:23PM
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Should lock him up for 8 years.

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#72 Craig1981
September 19 2013, 03:12PM
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I am amazed at how everyone on the TSN comment box is slamming this signing.

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#73 DSF
September 19 2013, 03:14PM
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hallsyoilerforever5 wrote:

You're talking about a window of a winning a cup to end soon? I think you forgot to add in your canucks.

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

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#74 Ivan Drago
September 19 2013, 04:30PM
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Ok. You win Willis

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#75 pkam
September 19 2013, 04:34PM
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Ducey wrote:

I read the Mirtle article. It was written in January right after the lockout. I imagine things have changed in the last 9 months.

Here is the key: The thing too is that’s only based on 5 per cent revenue growth annually. The NHL grew at a rate of about 7.2 per cent in the last agreement, which if it continued, would mean that in Year 8, this league would top $5-billion in revenues.

He did not say revenue would grow at 5%. He assumed it. That seems low given the league has grown at 7.2 %

Therefore, for you put it forward as fact is, well, a little misleading.

A lot of hockey minds already predict the salary in 14-15 to return to 70M, even at 50% of HRR.

And I read the other day that the league is trying to grow their revenue by 1B in 3 years. If they manage to do it, even we argue that the salary should be 60M this year, the salary cap will be 78M by 16-17.

DSF is just trying to stir the pot, even Gillis will not be so dumb to project the salary in 15-16 to be 66M.

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#76 NewfoundlandOil
September 19 2013, 05:36PM
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@DSF

Incorrect...It is "doable" if you have the right players at the right price, but hitting the cap number has nothing to do with winning the cup, so we can remove that qualifier.

I love the signing, good for the Oilers, good for Nuge and good for the fans. I suspect it puts them closer to winning the cup some day, than if they didn't sign him.

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#77 Naky
September 19 2013, 07:13PM
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Sometimes it's more about making a player happy with your organization by not taking advantage of your business's ability to force a crappy bridge contract on them for far less money simply because you're able to. The Oilers will have a far easier time re-signing their stars in the future when the time comes because of it over teams like the Rangers and the Leafs who are forcing some of their best young RFAs to take a contract or leave it.

Yes, it's a business but you're a fool if you don't think players don't take it a bit personally when issues like this arise just as it would be equally foolish to assume a sense of loyalty isn't formed when people treat you well throughout your whole career. I don't think anyone seriously things Kadri or Franson are going to stay Leafs unless the bank AND the term are thrown at them - and probably at higher amounts now than it would have taken before the contract disputes.

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#78 EHH Team
September 19 2013, 02:13PM
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Hot Damn!!

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#79 Mikey
September 19 2013, 03:33PM
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pkam wrote:

If I am correct, the cap is for 23 players, not 25. So if the Oilers commits 55M for 12 players, we only need to sign 11 (not 13) more players, with the remaining 11M.

Now let's look at the Penguins, consider a cup contender with the best GM. Here is the players they lock up for 2014-15 Crosby 8.7M Malkin 9.5M Neal 5.0M Dupuis 3.75M Kunitz 3.725M Martin 5.0M Letang 7.25M Scuderi 3.375M Fleury 5.0M Total 51.3M

How much is the cap James Mirtle projects for 2014-15, 64.3M? The pens have commit 51.3M on 9 players, so how are they going to sign 14 players with 13M if the Oilers can't sign 11 players with 11M?

Only thing to say to that is.... The Pens are screwed too!

You bring up a very good point. I am going to take a look at cap geek and see how other teams are set up.

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#80 DSF
September 19 2013, 03:39PM
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pkam wrote:

If I am correct, the cap is for 23 players, not 25. So if the Oilers commits 55M for 12 players, we only need to sign 11 (not 13) more players, with the remaining 11M.

Now let's look at the Penguins, consider a cup contender with the best GM. Here is the players they lock up for 2014-15 Crosby 8.7M Malkin 9.5M Neal 5.0M Dupuis 3.75M Kunitz 3.725M Martin 5.0M Letang 7.25M Scuderi 3.375M Fleury 5.0M Total 51.3M

How much is the cap James Mirtle projects for 2014-15, 64.3M? The pens have commit 51.3M on 9 players, so how are they going to sign 14 players with 13M if the Oilers can't sign 11 players with 11M?

Sorry...typo there corrected before your post showed up.

I agree the Penguins are in a similar situation and Shero has been very adept at filling out his roster with low priced options.

But remember he had to move Jordan Staal to make things work.

Also worth noting that Hopkins is NOT Crosby. Hall is NOT Malkin and Eberle is NOT James Neal.

But even with those players on board, the Penguins have not a won a cup since 2008/09 and haven't made it back to the finals since then.

I think you could make a pretty strong argument that the reason for that is that their support players are not good enough and Pittsburgh doesn't have the cap space to do anything about that.

A better comparable would be the Blackhawks who have their top players all below the Kane/Toews $6.3M contracts and an excellent group of young forwards playing on ELC's.

Even then, the Hawks are going to hit a cap crunch in the 2014/15 season when they have almost $60M committed to only 14 players.

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#81 Craig1981
September 19 2013, 04:26PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Okay, let's assume your numbers are all right - $66MM salary cap, the money for Schultz and Petry too.

Here's the roster:

  • Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Yakuopv
  • Perron - Gagner - Eberle
  • ??? - Gordon - ???
  • ??? - ??? - ???
  • Smid - Schultz
  • Ference - Petry
  • Nurse - Klefbom
  • Dubnyk

So, that leaves you with the need to find two bottom-nine wingers, a fourth line and 13th forward, a seventh defenceman and a backup goalie. The total cost above is $57.9 million by my count, so you have 8.1 million for those eight pieces.

If Gernat or Musil can play seventh D, that's 900K and the defence is taken care of. Add in a LaBarbera equivalent for the backup at $1.0MM (or do what Carolina did and bring in a Khudobin-type for less). That leaves you ~6.2 million for the last six forwards on the roster, which seems totally doable.

What you posted reminds me a lot of the Hawks lines. They have an amazing top 2 lines and great top4 dmen. They manage to fill the bottom with prospect and role players. They have one the cup twice! and are constantly competitive.

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#82 The Beaker
September 20 2013, 06:45AM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

I think it is every ON posters duty to copy and past this question/statement by DSF for use in the future.

What an asshat.

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#83 Hayek
September 19 2013, 02:44PM
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Ok deal, but after last season, would have been nice to get him at a discount, maybe something in the $5.5M per season range.

Probably not the greatest negotiation on MacT's part, but once Eberle was signed to an overpayment of $6M/season, RNH probably wouldn't settle for less.

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#84 AltF4
September 19 2013, 10:26PM
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Hey, the guy said they have a window to win the cup "very soon".

Most intelligent statement from his keyboard tonight.

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#85 pkam
September 19 2013, 11:40PM
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DSF wrote:

Which teams?

Be specific.

Carolina:

E. Staal: 8.25M Semin: 7.0M J. Staal: 6.0M Skinner: 5.725M Tuomo: 4.75M Ward: 6.3M So 4 top 6 forwards, a 3C and a starting goalie, 6 players for 38M, with 28M left to sign 2 top 6 forward, 4 top 4 D and 11 bottom 8 F and bottom 3 D and backup goalie. Even if they can sign the 2 top 6 F and the 4 top 4 d at 3.5M each, it will take up another 21M. So 59M for 12 players, with 7M left to sign the other 11 players.

Pens: Crosby: 8.7M Malkin: 9.5M Neal: 5M Pascal: 3.75M Kunitz: 3.725M Letang: 7.25M Scuderi: 3.375M So 5 top 6 F and 2 top 4 D, 7 players for 41M and no starting goalie. So 25M for 1 top 6 forward, 2 top 4D and a starting goalie and 12 more players. Even they can sign the top 6 F and top 2 D at 3.5M each and the goalie at 4.5M, it will be another 15m and 10M left for the other 12 players.

I don't want to list every team but you can look it up yourself. Wilds, Kings, Capitals, Bruins are in similar situation.

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#86 pkam
September 19 2013, 11:49PM
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Spoils wrote:

RNH, Hall, Ebs, then Yak sure, but ideally we are tossing Klefbom and Nurse on that salary pile as well.

didn't the Canucks take a pay cut to keep the team together?

Why should we rip off our players instead of sign them to fair market value?

Did Crosby and Malkin take a pay cut? Did Kane and Toews take a pay cut? Did Kopitar and Doughty take a pay cut?

If the Canucks get so many pay cut from their players, why the teams I list above all won the cup in the last 5 years and all the Canucks get is swept in the 1st round?

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#87 pkam
September 19 2013, 11:58PM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

3 years ago there was a pretty good argument that Seguin would be better than Hall.

2 years ago, there was pretty good argument that Hall was a bust.

Last year, there was pretty good argument that Hall was injury prone.

You can choose to believe whatever you like, only time will tell who is the better player.

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#88 pkam
September 20 2013, 12:14AM
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JJ wrote:

Nuge is now making more than John Tavares.. What are the Oilers thinking? Should have given them all 5m contracts but they caved in too early.

Who here would rather have Nuge than Tavares on their team? Exactly. Terrible overpayment for a fragile and soft center.

Anyone who has some hockey knowledge will not write a comment like this.

Do I want Taveres at 5.5M over RNH? You bet.

The fact is Taveres at 5.5M is the best NHL bargain. Any contract compares to his is an overpayment.

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#89 Mikey
September 19 2013, 02:42PM
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I wonder if the oilers are banking on Nurse and Klefbom to make the team full time next year.

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#90 rubbertrout
September 19 2013, 03:19PM
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SMILES FOR BABY NUGE!

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#91 madjam
September 19 2013, 03:45PM
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Another value contract with longevity . Going in right direction .

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#92 Wax Man Riley
September 19 2013, 03:53PM
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Hayek wrote:

Ok deal, but after last season, would have been nice to get him at a discount, maybe something in the $5.5M per season range.

Probably not the greatest negotiation on MacT's part, but once Eberle was signed to an overpayment of $6M/season, RNH probably wouldn't settle for less.

SALMA HAYEK I KNOW YOU ARE HOT AND MIGHT BE A BIT MAD BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING OLDER BUT I'M SURE BABY NUGE WOULD STILL DATE YOU, I AM SORRY EBERLE TURNED YOU DOWN FOR WANYE.

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#93 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 19 2013, 04:49PM
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Ducey wrote:

I read the Mirtle article. It was written in January right after the lockout. I imagine things have changed in the last 9 months.

Here is the key: The thing too is that’s only based on 5 per cent revenue growth annually. The NHL grew at a rate of about 7.2 per cent in the last agreement, which if it continued, would mean that in Year 8, this league would top $5-billion in revenues.

He did not say revenue would grow at 5%. He assumed it. That seems low given the league has grown at 7.2 %

Therefore, for you put it forward as fact is, well, a little misleading.

It's a lack of context, which is what I pointed out above.

Mirtle's is an conservative estimate.

we need to allow for rosy and conservative estimate AND recognize that even under the conservative estimate the Oilers are fine.

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#94 Top Cheddar
September 19 2013, 05:36PM
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Love the deal but I just hope we can get a full season out of him at some point. This will be the third straight year without one.

This is a good deal for the Oilers.

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#95 Smythyyy
September 20 2013, 01:48AM
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DSF wrote:

Would they?

There is a pretty strong argument that Kadri is at least as good as Hopkins.

Hah! This was a good laugh. Please do humor us and let us hear you explain why Kadri is at least as good as RNH. Are you basing it on Kadri's one good year last year? If that's your case then you have an even worse eye for talent than I initially thought.

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#96 The Beaker
September 20 2013, 06:46AM
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DSF wrote:

Were they under discussion?

Try and stay on point Sparky.

I think it is every ON posters duty to copy and past this question/statement by DSF for use in the future.

What an asshat.

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#97 tileguy
September 20 2013, 09:06AM
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Perhaps the last word on the subject (doubtful)

Not one person here has thanked Tambo for setting the template for these great signings.

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#98 ed in edmonton
September 19 2013, 04:08PM
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I'm enough of a pessimist that I would have preferred RNH to show us the beef after his surgery than signing now. Hopefully MacT will prove to be a better seer than I.

It would appear to me that the teams who have been consistently good in the cap world (Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago) have locked up a core group and filled around them as best they can. This doesn't mean they don't have to shed salary at times. Chicago had to do it big time after their penultimate cup but rebounded within 3 years to grab another.

Best case scenario will be the Oil needing to make some tough cap decisions in a few years because of the wealth of talent. That is how the system is supposed to work.

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#99 Pajamah
September 19 2013, 04:20PM
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@DSF

You're right in that if James Mirtle's cap projections are correct, we are in trouble.

Its a good thing everyone else says we're only a year away from a 70+ million/year cap, and based on projections, may be at 80 by the time Hall and Eberle's contracts come up for renewal at the ripe age of 28-29.

Considering all the teams that have their noses up against the glass financially, the Oilers are in decent shape. Just like anyone, they need some cheap ELC or pluggers to play above their pedigree, but any successful team needs that.

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#100 book¡e
September 20 2013, 06:52AM
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DSF wrote:

And?

Kadri outscored Hopkins last season 44-24.

Kadri was +15 on a dreadful possession team while Hopkins was only +3.

When Hopkins new deal kicks in, he'll be paid $6M while Kadri will make $2.9M.

Which team do you think has a tremendous competitive advantage in 2014/15?

Good Grief. Try to think past the end of your nose!

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