HEARTBREAKS AND NEW LIFE (GAGNER BROKEN JAW)

Lowetide
September 22 2013 11:03AM

Sam Gagner's broken jaw added to RNH's recovery puts the Oilers in a big hole. How does this week look now? Click through and see.

TRANSACTIONS BEFORE THE GAGNER INJURY

I thought the Oilers might IR Corey Potter, Denis Grebeshkov and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to start things, and then go into full cut down mode:

  • Return Darnell Nurse and Jujhar Khaira to their junior teams.
  • Demote to OKC G Richard Bachman.
  • Sign G Ty Rimmer and send him to Barons camp.
  • Send down Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Brad Hunt and Taylor Fedun.
  • Send down Anton Lander, Mark Arcobello, Andrew Miller, Ryan Martindale, Linus Omark, Curtis Hamilton and Tyler Pitlick.

OPENING NIGHT 23 MAN ROSTER AFTER THE GAGNER INJURY

  • Goal (2): Devan Dubnyk and Jason LaBarberta
  • Defense (7): Jeff Petry, Ladislav Smid, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz, Nick Schultz, Anton Belov, Phil Larsen
  • Center (4): Taylor Hall, Mark Arcobello, Boyd Gordon, Will Acton, Anton Lander
  • Left Wing (5): David Perron, Jesse Joensuu, Ryan Smyth, Ryan Hamilton, Ben Eager
  • Right Wing (5): Jordan Eberle, Ales Hemsky, Nail Yakupov, Ryan Jones, Mike Brown

After the Gagner injury, I think Arcobello and Lander may make the team.There's no Gagner replacement out there and the Oilers top center is also on the shelf. This is a massive item for the Edmonton Oilers season. I would guess this could be bad news for Ben Eager, Ryan Hamilton or Ryan Jones. Ryan Smyth may be asked to play center.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It's a bitter bitter pill. Wow.

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#101 2004Z06
September 22 2013, 10:24PM
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I love how everyone is bashing Mac T for not addressing the center position over the summer. Pretty sure he tried. Also pretty sure he isn't going to turn over half the roster in one summer. Give it a rest, none of us know what he tried to do.

As for a deterent to dirty and cheap shots? Only one answer....get rid of the instigator rule. It protects the cheap shot artists.

Gagner won't miss too much regular season time. He will be back with a full cage in a few weeks.

The sky is not falling people!

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#102 Wendy01
September 22 2013, 11:17AM
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And Gagner with a broken jaw. That screws things just a bit. Someone's staying a little longer with the big team than was planned.

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#103 The Soup Fascist
September 22 2013, 12:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Where in the world is Kyle Wellwood?

By all accounts he is currently in a buffet line at a resort on Lake Geneva.

Teddy Peckhamburger v 2.0., I fear.

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#104 rock-et
September 22 2013, 12:08PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

And not to be negative, but if the Oil can't overcome this then they were never a playoff team anyways. Way better players get hurt all the time. Pittsburgh still makes it in when the best player in the world goes down. If we lose our season over an extended injury to Sam, then well.....

That's a fair comment but the Oilers are now down their top 2 centers. That would be like Crosby and Malkin both being gone at the same time. Pittsburgh would be in big trouble if that happened to them. Depth at center was going be a challenge for the Oilers this year period. Now we have a big hole. I just hope the Oilers solve the problem by bringing in a real center (via draft, UFA - doesn't matter). The other centers we have in the organization can't fill the #2 spot Gagner had.

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#105 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
September 22 2013, 12:10PM
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@The Soup Fascist

Lol'd at the buffet and peckham references

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#106 steelymac
September 22 2013, 12:13PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

By all accounts he is currently in a buffet line at a resort on Lake Geneva.

Teddy Peckhamburger v 2.0., I fear.

LOL not sure Wellwood fits Eakins idea of fitness.

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#107 Bloodsweatandoil
September 22 2013, 12:28PM
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I know its early Sunday, but is there really going to be no review by he NHL to look into the elbow and the highstick?

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#109 Reinman
September 22 2013, 12:45PM
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Oh and lines in practice today

Omark-Gordon-Yakupov Jonesuu-Arcobello-Pitlick Smyth-Hall-Hemsky Jones-Lander-Hamilton Eager-Acton-Brown

And the defence pairings:

Ference-J. Schultz Belov-Larsen Smid-N. Schultz Fedun

The only two goaltenders remaining in camp are Devan Dubnyk and Jason LaBarbera.

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#110 Dawn
September 22 2013, 12:50PM
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Guess Hall's playing centre for a while longer. I hope Sam gets plated and not wired. And what a way to flip from optimistic to bloodthirsty as a fan. Nonetheless, I really want to see some retribution on Oct 5. Especially if there's no supplemental discipline handed out for either head shot. It might be time for one of their top centres to cool their heels on ir for a few months...

Addendum: Not usually so bloodthirsty, but jeez! How can you "accidently" swing your stick over your shoulder that hard at someone's face?

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#111 Sliderule
September 22 2013, 12:51PM
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DSF wrote:

Yes. I have been all along.

Since young players mature and develop at different rates, it's too early to decide which player will have the better career but I would expect Seguin will open a few eyes this season in Dallas.

Since the draft Seguin has played hardly any center.

Last year Hall took more face-offs than Seguin and at 55 percent had better success.

Hall played almost half of his last junior year at center so you could say they drafted a center.

As Hall will Be playing center for a good part of season and Seguin is finally being tried at the position we should find out who is the better center If they actually keep them there.

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#112 LinkfromHyrule
September 22 2013, 12:53PM
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what is the timeline on a broken jaw usually? I mean obviously it depends on the injury and how bad it was, but would it be pessimistic to think gagner won't be back until the end of october?

We are in it up to our necks now... Your move MacT

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#113 steelymac
September 22 2013, 01:01PM
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DSF wrote:

BPA is nothing more than an opinion and often the results don't match that opinion.

While the 3 players you mention are all fine young hockey players, if the decision is close you should draft the centre.

Perhaps even more to the point, drafting a D in the top 10 is foolish unless the players is a slam dunk franchise defenseman who can make an impact very quickly.

Alex Galchenyuk would look pretty good in an Oilers jersey right about now.

OilFans we will get through this.DSF I couldn't be happier that MacT taking Nurse in the top ten and after watching Kassian running around being the clown he is I thought in 3 or 4 years Nurse will speed bag that knob and any other dildo trying to hurt our better players.

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#115 Peter
September 22 2013, 01:07PM
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Oilers blog stated that Gagner would be out for the first month of the season. Good grief, I hope not. Perhaps they're just overestimating.

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#116 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 01:08PM
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Smokey wrote:

The Oilers needed a Center long before this.

I do think another proven bottom 2 center would of been nice, but making a big trade for a top 2 as DSF suggested is unneeded.

I am also interested to see how they will do without a proven 4th line center. Maybe we are all wrong. Maybe by sending Hall, Nuge, and Gagner to take some extra shifts on the bottom lines everything will work out......I'm not sure, all I am saying is its too early to panic.

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#117 TOM//MTL
September 22 2013, 01:12PM
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@Lowetide

And Pitlick was picked 31st overall as a centre.

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#118 Rama Lama
September 22 2013, 01:20PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Centermen drafted in round 1: 2007 (Gagner, Nash), 2008 (Eberle was a c), 2011 (Nuge). So, that's 4 in the last seven seasons.

Hey let's not forget Jughir Kahria........he is a centerman too. He looked very good last night.........instinctively takes the puck to the net and has size......all at the tender age of 18.

Magnificent Stu said at the draft last year that this player could very well be the steal of the draft........all arrow pointing up for this player.

Based on his play so far, I would say he is a lock to make the team next year.

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#119 freelancer
September 22 2013, 01:24PM
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@Smokey

Fair enough. Either way I expect Gagner back faster than Nuge still. We would be looking at 4-6 games with that kind of line setup.

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#120 Smokey
September 22 2013, 01:28PM
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freelancer wrote:

Fair enough. Either way I expect Gagner back faster than Nuge still. We would be looking at 4-6 games with that kind of line setup.

Who knows. He could be back near the beginning of the season. I guess it really depends upon the break, the ability to play with the shield, and pain tolerance. Crosby was kept out till the felt he was needed.

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#121 Reinman
September 22 2013, 01:31PM
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JJ wrote:

No Snowpants? No problem.

Perron - Hall - Hemsky Omark - Eberle - Yakupov Smyth - Gordon - Joensuu Eager - Lander - Brown

I hope Omark makes the team just to see the reaction from all you haters of our swedish youtube sensation.

I was thinking the exact same thing. At least with ebs in the middle and Omark on his wing, we still look like we have 2 scoring lines.

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#122 pkam
September 22 2013, 02:00PM
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JJ wrote:

No Snowpants? No problem.

Perron - Hall - Hemsky Omark - Eberle - Yakupov Smyth - Gordon - Joensuu Eager - Lander - Brown

I hope Omark makes the team just to see the reaction from all you haters of our swedish youtube sensation.

I don't hate Omark but not a fan of him neither. He hang on to the puck for too long and slow down the offense.

I hope he stop being a solo player and work with his linemates more and move the puck faster. I'll rather watch him pass the puck to his linemates early to avoid protecting the puck along the board.

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#124 gr8one
September 22 2013, 02:37PM
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Oh boy...a Stastny acquisition would certainly be interesting...especially if we were able to resign him on a reasonable contract after this season.

It would instantly transform our depth down the middle...especially when Nuge and Gags come back.

Lots of options at that point.

Hall Nuge Ebs, Perron Gags Yak, Joensuu Stastny Omark, Smyth/Eager, Gordon, Brown/Jones.

or

Perron Hall Ebs, Gagner Stastny Yak, Joensuu Gordon Omark, Smyth/Eager, Arco/Lander/STECKEL, Brown/Jones.

I especially love the second scenario if the Oilers were to nab a player like Steckel as the fourth line C.

I'd also love for the Oilers to maybe give Guillaume Latendresse a shot...he's got some fantastic offensive instincts and a big body...if he could come anywhere near that 25 goal form he had a few years back he would look awfully good as our 3LW and Joensuu as our 4LW.

He was by all accounts having a great PTO with the 'Yotes and was their leading preseason scorer before they let him go on Saturday. Worth a shot IMO...especially short term while we NEED Hall at C. He's also only 26 years old...could be a cheap reclamation project with low risk and perfect age to stay around with the cluster for awhile if he could stick.

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Blegh, I hate how this comment section does not format things as they are typed.

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#126 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 02:44PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

This is the first real test of our new coach. He sat up high and watched our young stars get butchered......lets see how he reacts......does he pull a Lowetide and keep/add Hamilton on the roster....or does he make some demands on his GM to get muscle added to the lineup?

Ben Eagre is not the answer....Ben Eagre has been seriously concussed and has no desire (and rightfully so) to risk another more serious head injury.

And all you pretty things out there that are counting on the league (Brendan Shanahan) to protect you after the fact are FRANKING CLUELESS....this is a man's game....either you step up or you get stepped on....you fight your own battles...so cut the intellectualizing and the whining that follows..".oh those other teams are so mean"...."oh the refs are so unfair"...."oh the league should do something".....CLUELESS FRANKING PANSIES!

Wow, you got a lot of internal rage there......you might want to see someone about that.

The game I saw Edmonton clearly out played Vancouver and I didn't see out team getting "butchered".

Ben Eager fought just as much as he typically does and I have ZERO idea where that comment came from.

Who exactly do you think would need to be in the lineup to have teams be too scared to hit our players?? lol

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#127 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 02:44PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

This is the first real test of our new coach. He sat up high and watched our young stars get butchered......lets see how he reacts......does he pull a Lowetide and keep/add Hamilton on the roster....or does he make some demands on his GM to get muscle added to the lineup?

Ben Eagre is not the answer....Ben Eagre has been seriously concussed and has no desire (and rightfully so) to risk another more serious head injury.

And all you pretty things out there that are counting on the league (Brendan Shanahan) to protect you after the fact are FRANKING CLUELESS....this is a man's game....either you step up or you get stepped on....you fight your own battles...so cut the intellectualizing and the whining that follows..".oh those other teams are so mean"...."oh the refs are so unfair"...."oh the league should do something".....CLUELESS FRANKING PANSIES!

it double posted again ....

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#128 madjam
September 22 2013, 03:42PM
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League needs to send a message to players with a hefty suspensions to Weise and Kassian .

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#129 Oilcruzer
September 22 2013, 03:48PM
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DSF wrote:

Yes. I have been all along.

Since young players mature and develop at different rates, it's too early to decide which player will have the better career but I would expect Seguin will open a few eyes this season in Dallas.

He'll be opening some things alright.

Tabs, bottles, speculation on his whereabouts, to name a few.

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#130 Walter Sobchak
September 22 2013, 04:58PM
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My guess is the Oilers will now move Eberle to centre, in fact Eberle was a center and vocal on trying the position in camp.

That's the Oilers best short term solution IMO

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#131 hockeycrazed
September 22 2013, 07:24PM
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Watched the game on the tube. I think Rimmer played a good game( 40 min. ) I think he looked confident, and he even played better than Jason (as a back-up to Devan). Jason let in a goal through his five-hole, yet Rimmer let in the goal due to a give away! Also like Yak's dominance on ice, he should continue to improve as an oiler. One disappointment though: Smyth's giving away more than he would like to! Hopefully, he can turn it around before the real season starts! I think Hall looked a bit jitterish, maybe because Center's really more than he can handle?! Hope not, with Gagne out for bit,we need him to excel @ that position, Yesterday!

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#132 Smokey
September 22 2013, 09:53PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Nice to see Eakin and MacT taking the night off during a game to hobknob with Katz and family in his private box! Whats that all about.?

Next thing you know the Curly kid will be sitting in the players box to watch the games.

Bit of Gong show if you ask me. Always dangerous when the owner gets that close to hockey operations.

You don't pay 200 mil and have no say in terms of some decisions. No different then any other team.

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#133 Dog Train
September 22 2013, 11:02PM
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We knew going in that we are very thin at centre. This obviously doesn't help. I think I would rather see Eberle in the middle for a short while Gagner recovers than Arcobello make the team. Arcobello seems like a tweener to me. If there is one plus to the injuries to RNH and Gagner is that it forced the coaching staff to move Hall to the middle. Most successful teams are built up the middle and having our best player play centre could drastically change the outlook of this team going forward if Hall succeeds there.

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#134 Harry
September 22 2013, 11:29PM
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michael wrote:

Arcobello and Omark play the first month. No way should Eakins be thinking of sending either to OKC. We need their skill. Balance their size with Hamilton and Jonesuu.

Arcobello, Omark,Hamilton, Acton, Eager, Lander

Get real man this isnt the AHL. We need a 3rd line center asap!

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#135 Kodiak
September 23 2013, 05:02AM
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Can anyone name Chicago's top two centers? Toews and ??? Handzus? Take them out of the lineup and Chicago's top four centers are Marcus Kruger, Andrew Shaw, Drew Leblanc and a raw rookie. If Boston were to lose Krejci and Bergeron their top four centers would be Peverley, Chris Kelly, Greg Campbell and Ryan Spooner. Is Hall, Arcobello, Gordon, Acton really much worse than that? Bottom line is ANY team losing their top two centers is in a world of hurt.

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#136 ed in edmonton
September 23 2013, 10:16AM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

Yes, I do think teams "feared" playing Chicago last year. Physically and mentally feared it.

Chasing the puck all night is not fun. Skating hard for every loose puck is draining. Scrambling in your own zone is exhausting. Getting hit every time you touch the puck wears you down...

two points.

1. You don't mention getting thrashed in a fight as a issue when "fearing" Chicago. So do think the Oil need a goon or not?

2. Do you think the Bruins feared the Hawks in a physical sense?

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#137 DRUDS
September 23 2013, 10:44AM
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marty62 wrote:

wanted to comment on a couple things. I am as angry as the next fan on what happened with Gagner, and picking up a McIntyre or some other nuclear deterrent is a feel good reaction, but it wont work. If having a goon worked in todays NHL then we wouldnt be constantly on these blogs bitching about the Torres, Tootoo and other morons in the league because the goon deterrent would, if it worked, neutralize them. But it doesnt. THese guys wont engage with fighters or dont have to because its at a time in the game when you dont want to take an instigator penalty. these guys will continue to do what they do until they take away the instigator and then ANYONE on the ice can kick their ass after they do something stupid. i see people are still yammering about Yak and his celebrations. Whats the big deal? lots of players are like that. You have to remember, hes a kid! he is living his dream! I admire how much passion for the game he has and I hope he never stops. Its players like him that make us want to watch. give me more players like him instead of guys that go through the motions and never show anything, and yes Im looking at you Horcoff.....

sweet jesus put in a paragraph for gods sakes!!! My eyes...my eyes....arrrrghghghghhg

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#138 tileguy
September 23 2013, 01:52PM
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Next thing you know the Curly kid will be sitting in the players box to watch the games.

Lol, brought tears to my eyes.

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