Of course it Stinks: Suck it up

Robin Brownlee
September 22 2013 03:11PM

Of course it stinks that the Edmonton Oilers will start the 2013-14 season without Sam Gagner, who has a broken jaw after a stupid and dangerous play by Zack Kassian of the Vancouver Canucks Saturday. This we know.

Gagner lost several teeth and had his jaw broken in two places after Kassian missed him with an attempted hit along the boards and then whipped his stick around at head-level, catching the Oiler centre in the mouth.

Gagner could be out for a month – possibly longer if he needs surgery to have his jaw wired shut. We don’t know for sure yet because there's been no definitive word from the Oilers, who skated at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park today.

With Ryan Nugent-Hopkins also expected to miss the start of the season while he recovers from shoulder surgery, first-year coach Dallas Eakins has next-to-no depth down the middle as the Oilers prepare to face the Winnipeg Jets in their season opener Oct. 1.

After Taylor Hall, making the switch to pivot with RNH out, the men in the middle as of now are Boyd Gordon and two more from the mix of Mark Arcobello, Anton Lander and Will Acton – unless GM Craig MacTavish picks up the phone and makes a deal.

WHAT NOW?

While it's understandable if fans lament the timing of the injury or bicker about the need for more toughness in the line-up – there is merit in the argument but dressing a hammer against the Canucks wouldn’t have prevented the knucklehead play by Kassian – that isn't going to heal Gagner's busted jaw. The Oilers can moan or suck it up. Hall, for one, will go with the latter.

"I feel bad for him, but we're going to have make up for it," Hall said. "It looks like I'm going to be playing a bit more centre than I had originally planned. That's just the way it goes sometimes. I mean, not everything is going to go according to plan and this is one of those things."

"Whatever you have to do to help this team win," said Gordon, who will be pressed into duty as the second-line centre. "If I've got to move up, or whatever the case, sometimes when you lose one of your better players, I think it brings everybody together and makes everybody bear down a little bit more and focus on what they have to do to help the team win."

Until we have a more definitive time frame on Gagner, there's no way of knowing if MacTavish will come into play, as in looking outside the organization for help. Most likely, the cavalry will have to ride to the rescue from within, for better or worse – more Hall, Gordon and the rest.

Yes, it stinks. Carry on.

ROSTER CUTS

The Oilers trimmed their roster to 33 today (20 forwards, 11 defensemen and two goaltenders).

Assigned to Oklahoma City of the AHL were: Richard Bachman, Brad Hunt, Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Ryan Martindale, Andrew Miller and Ty Rimmer. Jujhar Khaira was returned to Everett of the WHL.

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#52 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:21PM
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I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

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#53 Mikey
September 22 2013, 08:22PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

I was waiting for someone to say this.

And no, because fans are now concerned with the C position, does not mean, we love sam gagner. Truth is, as juicy as the line sounds with Perron, gagner and yak, they are much much much too weak to face our Pacific division opponents. Perron looks relaxed out there and yak is def looking sharp but this line would get physically crushed by LA, SJ, VAn and Ana.

I wish Sam well but this will be a good and early slap in the face reminder that we need as much brawn as we have skill to compete. I laugh when I am told that the oil are following the Det and Chi model. Oh ya? Lol no problem......have you heard of 6'2 225lbs C Franzen? Or top C John Toews and monster Brian Bickell?

You must not watch a lot of Detroit games, if you talk about Franzen like that. That's like saying have you heard of 6'4 230 Dustin Penner? John Toews? That's your example of brawn? Ha. I'll give you Bickell.

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#54 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:27PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You would consider trading Oscar Klefbom to fill a hole for an injury that will keep Gagner out 4-8 weeks?

Ganger and RNH are out for the first month of the season while we play most of our games away from Rexall.

How would.Mac be doing his.job if he sat back and did nothing?

Even if its a minor pickup from waivers or whatever something MUST be done.

If we ener the firat month of the season with Boyd Gordon as our most experienced center we are screwed.

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#55 Geoff
September 22 2013, 08:29PM
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Harry wrote:

I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

I agree. But I would argue that we have too many young defencemen that are NHL capable. Not that it's a bad thing because having depth is awesome. Now that gagner is injured our lack of NHL center depth could and probably should be addressed if one of Lander/Acton/Arcobello can't show right now they are capable of NHL duties.

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#57 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:42PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

A "minor pickup from waivers" isn't the same as trading Klefbom.

Until MacTavish knows when RNH and Gagner will be back -- I'm guessing he'll know before you and I do -- let's not get frantic about what he MUST do.

I never said trade klef. Trade Marincin. Explain to.me how a depth chart of Hall Gordon Arcobello Acton/Lander will work in any capacity. Maybe dont trade klef or marincin. There is depth at our D position any zero at C so the question I have is why not make a move?

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#58 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:45PM
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Geoff wrote:

I agree. But I would argue that we have too many young defencemen that are NHL capable. Not that it's a bad thing because having depth is awesome. Now that gagner is injured our lack of NHL center depth could and probably should be addressed if one of Lander/Acton/Arcobello can't show right now they are capable of NHL duties.

Of course depth at D isnt a bad thing. But ouur depth at C is so beyond bad right now it would.be suicide to not pick someone up.

I cant believe im saying this.but DSF was right. Now Mac has to prove he can deal with this. I hope he does in one way or another

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#59 DSF
September 22 2013, 08:49PM
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Harry wrote:

Of course depth at D isnt a bad thing. But ouur depth at C is so beyond bad right now it would.be suicide to not pick someone up.

I cant believe im saying this.but DSF was right. Now Mac has to prove he can deal with this. I hope he does in one way or another

Lost in the Gagner conversation is the reality that, save for an inch or two, Hall would also be out of the lineup.

Can you imagine centre depth of Gordon, Arcobello, Acton and Chuckles the Clown.

MacT refusing to deal with the issue is just as heinous as Tambellini's inaction last season.

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#60 michael
September 22 2013, 08:57PM
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I am sorry but I am going to have to do this. The panic button has just been officially hit. I am in full blown OMG what are we going to do mode? Mact is going to be doing some serious GMing this week. Glad its him and not Tambo.

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#61 dougtheslug
September 22 2013, 08:59PM
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Harry wrote:

I never said trade klef. Trade Marincin. Explain to.me how a depth chart of Hall Gordon Arcobello Acton/Lander will work in any capacity. Maybe dont trade klef or marincin. There is depth at our D position any zero at C so the question I have is why not make a move?

Actually, depth centermen are in great demand in the NHL. And offering Marincin, arguably 12th to 15th in the Oilers depth chart for said depth centerman, is likely to be an offer that most NHL GM's will be happy to refuse. Right now, no GM is going to "help out" the Oil with the friendly offer of a useful, moderately priced centre - why would they? Oilers would have to over pay for questionable value at best. Why panic? The Oil have a lot of talent on the forward lines - maybe that can tide them over until Gags and RNHJ return.

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#62 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:00PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Exactly. Or I should say......common sense

What happens when the renter doesn't pay on time and the landlord says nothing.

What happens when little Johnny doesn't listen to his parents and there is no punishment given to Johnny ever?

What happens when you don't take care of weeds in the garden when there are only a handful of them?

Answer: Watch tsn tonight and see what David clarkson does when the Sabre goes after Kessel. Then watch the Oiler 'responses' to yesterday's acts on hall and gagner. And no I'm not condoning a Putin-like response but tell me if you think anyone will freely go after Kessel again

If you John Scott (The player that went after Kessel) thinks he had anything less than an incredible game you are mistaken. He goes to bed thinking he got under the skin of a teams top player and got one of there top forwards suspended for 10 games.

OMG Scott has to get into a fight......... he has been in 63 fights in the last 7 year of pro hockey. Do you really think having to drop the gloves will change his game????!!!

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#63 WONGER
September 22 2013, 09:04PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

That over-reaction will cost Toronto's new and high-priced acquisition 10 games for leaving the bench to join the scrap. Dumb move by Clarkson.

WRONG AGAIN !!! COURAGEOUS move by Clarkson to stick up for his teammates!!! If BIG JOHN SCOTT were an OILER ( he was born in Edmonton and trains with Doug Glatt every August in Boston with his buddy Steve SMACINTYRE) KASSIAN and WOOSE would be getting their broken faces fixed like Gagner!!!

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#64 Katzhater
September 22 2013, 09:10PM
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It's over again. No point in kicking you hurting oilers fans while you're down. I will wait until arena deal finally shi!s the bed. Or hell freezes over.

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#65 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:12PM
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Harry wrote:

I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

Ottawa was without their top forward and top dman last year for most of their season, not just 5-10 games.

Now what happens if Ference breaks a hand blocking a shot and Smid dislocates a shoulder after we trade away some Dmen?? Remember when we had to call up Sebastien Bisaillon?

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#66 dougtheslug
September 22 2013, 09:12PM
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DSF wrote:

Lost in the Gagner conversation is the reality that, save for an inch or two, Hall would also be out of the lineup.

Can you imagine centre depth of Gordon, Arcobello, Acton and Chuckles the Clown.

MacT refusing to deal with the issue is just as heinous as Tambellini's inaction last season.

Yeah, that's a fun game to play. What would Vancouver's center depth be if Henrik Sedin was injured?:

Ryan Kesler (iffy, coming back from injury, has played exactly one exhibition game and looked tentative)

Jordan Schroeder (oh, wait, broken foot)

Bo Horvat

Brendan Gaunce

Kellan Lain

Alex Friesen

Zach Hamill

Mike Santorelli

Yikes! I'm starting to like Edmonton's lineup. Especially because HALL WASN"T INJURED!

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#68 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:19PM
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WONGER wrote:

WRONG AGAIN !!! COURAGEOUS move by Clarkson to stick up for his teammates!!! If BIG JOHN SCOTT were an OILER ( he was born in Edmonton and trains with Doug Glatt every August in Boston with his buddy Steve SMACINTYRE) KASSIAN and WOOSE would be getting their broken faces fixed like Gagner!!!

Go to Hockeyfights.com and look who MacIntyer has fought (Bogard, and others for that matter) They only fight other superheaveyweights, they don't fight John Scotts.

And when they only make $500,000 they aren't going to jump the boards and lose 13% of that. Let alone more like 25%-50% if they actually were to "break jaws" like you talk about.

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#69 oilerjed
September 22 2013, 09:22PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

If you John Scott (The player that went after Kessel) thinks he had anything less than an incredible game you are mistaken. He goes to bed thinking he got under the skin of a teams top player and got one of there top forwards suspended for 10 games.

OMG Scott has to get into a fight......... he has been in 63 fights in the last 7 year of pro hockey. Do you really think having to drop the gloves will change his game????!!!

I wonder about this though, if Scott pummels Kessel before anyone jumps in what does the league do? Obvious intent to injure it would have to be considered IMO. I like how kessel loaded up on the two hander once he came to his senses, he almost took a swing. Would have been night night.

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#70 thebiggetsmanintheworld
September 22 2013, 09:22PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Leonid Stadnyk is listed as the tallest living human at 8'5'' and Manuel Uribe is the heaviest living human at 1,320 pounds.

Are you bigger than them?

uhhhhh,yeah...

I thought my handle was pretty specific...

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#72 DSF
September 22 2013, 09:25PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Yeah, that's a fun game to play. What would Vancouver's center depth be if Henrik Sedin was injured?:

Ryan Kesler (iffy, coming back from injury, has played exactly one exhibition game and looked tentative)

Jordan Schroeder (oh, wait, broken foot)

Bo Horvat

Brendan Gaunce

Kellan Lain

Alex Friesen

Zach Hamill

Mike Santorelli

Yikes! I'm starting to like Edmonton's lineup. Especially because HALL WASN"T INJURED!

Vancouver's centre depth is sketchy but it's much better than the Oilers.

Thing is...Henrik has NEVER been injured.

He's played every game, every season since 2004 while Hopkins and Gagner have both missed significant time with injuries.

Prior to the last 2 seasons, Kesler has played 4 complete 82 game seasons so it's a pretty good bet he'll be fine.

You are, of course forgetting that Vancouver is slotting Brad Richardson as their #3C and Mike Santorelli as their #4C with any of Horvat, Gaunce or Lain being a bonus if their play warrants it.

Sedin

Kesler

Richardson

Santorelli

Gaunce

Horvat

Lain

is a much better depth chart than...

Hall

Gordon

Lander

Acton

Chuckles the Clown

...no matter how you slice it.

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#73 WONGER
September 22 2013, 09:28PM
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thebiggetsmanintheworld wrote:

uhhhhh,yeah...

I thought my handle was pretty specific...

Can Stadnyk skate? Fight? Stand up on skates long enough to fight???

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#74 madjam
September 22 2013, 09:29PM
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Colorado claimed Cliché off waivers and they are overloaded with centers . Shouldn't take much to obtain Perron's old centerman and try him here . Martindale , Lander or Pitluck by acclamation ? Season hasn't started yet , and we are already mounting up on more downgrades , which vastly undermines the few upgrades we have so far . It's doubtfull MacT. will have anymore luck than Tams in trading .

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#75 oilerjed
September 22 2013, 09:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Vancouver's centre depth is sketchy but it's much better than the Oilers.

Thing is...Henrik has NEVER been injured.

He's played every game, every season since 2004 while Hopkins and Gagner have both missed significant time with injuries.

Prior to the last 2 seasons, Kesler has played 4 complete 82 game seasons so it's a pretty good bet he'll be fine.

You are, of course forgetting that Vancouver is slotting Brad Richardson as their #3C and Mike Santorelli as their #4C with any of Horvat, Gaunce or Lain being a bonus if their play warrants it.

Sedin

Kesler

Richardson

Santorelli

Gaunce

Horvat

Lain

is a much better depth chart than...

Hall

Gordon

Lander

Acton

Chuckles the Clown

...no matter how you slice it.

I had to prop you for this "Thing is...Henrik has NEVER been injured." I hope your voodoo is strong and that is a mighty jinx

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#76 Johe
September 22 2013, 09:38PM
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Didn't take long for most Oiler fans to lose their mind this season, did it? How about we actually start the season before we start jumping off cliffs?

For all we know Nuge could be back for game 6 and Gagner game 10. And before then, Arcobello could have a couple good games here and Lander a good game there. Before you know it we'll be back to 100 %. Relax.

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#77 Harry
September 22 2013, 09:38PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Ottawa was without their top forward and top dman last year for most of their season, not just 5-10 games.

Now what happens if Ference breaks a hand blocking a shot and Smid dislocates a shoulder after we trade away some Dmen?? Remember when we had to call up Sebastien Bisaillon?

Im not saying trade "some" deman. But dont you think it might be a good idea to address our weakest position with arguably our strongest position.

Our center depth is brutal. And youe hypothetical makes no sence because we have a major issue at center right now. To do nothing would be idiotic. Hall, Gordon, Arco, Acton is a recipee for.disaster

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#78 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:39PM
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@DSF

Yes, Henrik and Kesler are the million dollar men?!?!? There is some truth to toughness and the ability to not let yourself get injured, but sticks being swung at your face, pucks breaking feet, etc are just as likely to hit those 2 as anyone.

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Harry wrote:

I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

I agree 100% with everything you said. The caveat in this is that now Mac Tavish is in a position of weakness, and if other teams were asking for high price before, the needed acquisition will now cost much, much more. I'm not so sure the team will be able to afford it without compromising the future or making another hole in the line up. One thing is for sure, the Oilers are in the deep end right now.

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#80 dougtheslug
September 22 2013, 09:41PM
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DSF wrote:

Vancouver's centre depth is sketchy but it's much better than the Oilers.

Thing is...Henrik has NEVER been injured.

He's played every game, every season since 2004 while Hopkins and Gagner have both missed significant time with injuries.

Prior to the last 2 seasons, Kesler has played 4 complete 82 game seasons so it's a pretty good bet he'll be fine.

You are, of course forgetting that Vancouver is slotting Brad Richardson as their #3C and Mike Santorelli as their #4C with any of Horvat, Gaunce or Lain being a bonus if their play warrants it.

Sedin

Kesler

Richardson

Santorelli

Gaunce

Horvat

Lain

is a much better depth chart than...

Hall

Gordon

Lander

Acton

Chuckles the Clown

...no matter how you slice it.

Brad Richardson? You mean, THE Brad Richardson. The 5foot 11 28 year old who played all of 16 games for LA Kings last year scoring 1 goal and adding 5 helpers? Who played 59 games the previous year, tallying another 5 goals. That Brad Richardson? Come on DSF, if that's depth then Chuckles the Clown is looking back at you from your shaving mirror.

Henrik is also 33 this very Tuesday. Very few NHL players escape the injury bug forever. Especially when thugs like Zach Kassian are swinging sticks at your head.

In a few weeks, Oiler center depth will look like this:

Hall

RNH

Gagner

Gordon

Lander

Acton

Give me that over Vancouver any day.

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#81 Harry
September 22 2013, 09:42PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Yeah, that's a fun game to play. What would Vancouver's center depth be if Henrik Sedin was injured?:

Ryan Kesler (iffy, coming back from injury, has played exactly one exhibition game and looked tentative)

Jordan Schroeder (oh, wait, broken foot)

Bo Horvat

Brendan Gaunce

Kellan Lain

Alex Friesen

Zach Hamill

Mike Santorelli

Yikes! I'm starting to like Edmonton's lineup. Especially because HALL WASN"T INJURED!

Has hell frozen over?

Why am i forced to defend DSF.

News flash!! If any team is the NHL lost there top two centermen to start a season for a month they would have to make a move. And what better area to pick from than that teams area of strength (Edm's defence prospects).

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#82 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:56PM
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Harry wrote:

Im not saying trade "some" deman. But dont you think it might be a good idea to address our weakest position with arguably our strongest position.

Our center depth is brutal. And youe hypothetical makes no sence because we have a major issue at center right now. To do nothing would be idiotic. Hall, Gordon, Arco, Acton is a recipee for.disaster

Here are my thoughts. The center for our top 2 lines for the next 5+ years is pretty good. Gagner, RNH, and Hall to fill in. As long as 2/3 are not hurt long term we are set. I do not view it as our weakest position long term.

Our depth at the bottom end is brutal I give you that. I think MacT knows it too and I would presume has been trying, but if there wasn't a good trade before I don't think there is one now.

Our defensive prospects are very strong, but weak overall and long term our defense is below a contenders. I think with our current roster we need to hope at least 2 out of 3 turn out and no one but DSF knows.

PS I enjoy these civil conversations that doesn't include "good grief" or made up stats.

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#83 dougtheslug
September 22 2013, 10:01PM
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Harry wrote:

Has hell frozen over?

Why am i forced to defend DSF.

News flash!! If any team is the NHL lost there top two centermen to start a season for a month they would have to make a move. And what better area to pick from than that teams area of strength (Edm's defence prospects).

News flash!Just because you want to trade a dman for a centerman doesn't mean NHL GM's are going to line up to accommodate you. This isn't Playstation. Oiler d depth was acquired painfully over the past few years and suddenly you want to squander it for temporary help? Which would become redundant as soon as RNH and Gagner are ready to play. Which will be in about 4 weeks or less, from what I am hearing.

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#84 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:02PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

That over-reaction will cost Toronto's new and high-priced acquisition 10 games for leaving the bench to join the scrap. Dumb move by Clarkson.

No problem at all. Message is delivered. You do not touch Kessel. Point made around the league.

You think Semenko, McSorley, heck even Sather cared about a suspension? C'mon Brownlee, you've gone soft......this whole town has.

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#85 Harry
September 22 2013, 11:07PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

News flash!Just because you want to trade a dman for a centerman doesn't mean NHL GM's are going to line up to accommodate you. This isn't Playstation. Oiler d depth was acquired painfully over the past few years and suddenly you want to squander it for temporary help? Which would become redundant as soon as RNH and Gagner are ready to play. Which will be in about 4 weeks or less, from what I am hearing.

Who said anything about temporary help. Im not saying trade for just anybodd. Theres no reason why edm cant make a meaningful trade for a zach smith or similar type player.

4-6 weeks is.an eternity when you'll most likely be in a dog fight to get 7th or 8th place.

If edm squanders the first month or so of the season it will be very tough to make up that much ground. And its not like a decent depth center would be out of place once those two came back.

How many rookie dmen do you think edm should break in in the next 3 years anyway? And how do you suppose we aquire center depth moving forward? A trade has to happend if not now then by the deadline im sure.

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#86 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:11PM
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WONGER wrote:

WRONG AGAIN !!! COURAGEOUS move by Clarkson to stick up for his teammates!!! If BIG JOHN SCOTT were an OILER ( he was born in Edmonton and trains with Doug Glatt every August in Boston with his buddy Steve SMACINTYRE) KASSIAN and WOOSE would be getting their broken faces fixed like Gagner!!!

100%. Someone that understands.

Nobody will go after Kessel now, and Hall and Ebs, just a matter of time before they get smashed, no fear for the opponent

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#87 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:15PM
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You double-posted so I removed the second one -- no need to be wrong twice.

Clarkson's an honest, hard-nosed player, but that was a bonehead move on his part. Kessel had on-ice help (you can watch the replay) and Clarkson didn't need to come off the bench to get involved.

This from Toronto coach Randy Carlyle: "We're not proud or happy of what went on... David Clarkson made a mistake."

? You think Carlyle was going to say. " we are very proud of what Clarkson did, in fact I told him to do so" c'mon, give your head a shake. Only in Edm do players have to be told to stick up for one another and fight back. Sheesh

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#88 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 11:24PM
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No problem at all. Message is delivered. You do not touch Kessel. Point made around the league.

You think Semenko, McSorley, heck even Sather cared about a suspension? C'mon Brownlee, you've gone soft......this whole town has.

Ok, do players that have played in the last 15 years care about suspensions? YES!!!! If you are only getting paid $500,000 a year you care about a 41 game suspension for "breaking jaws" as people have suggested. Since you have already gave up $50,000 to your agent and have a limited window to earn and save for your future.

Just because your are not stupid, does not make you soft.

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September 22 2013, 11:34PM
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Ok, do players that have played in the last 15 years care about suspensions? YES!!!! If you are only getting paid $500,000 a year you care about a 41 game suspension for "breaking jaws" as people have suggested. Since you have already gave up $50,000 to your agent and have a limited window to earn and save for your future.

Just because your are not stupid, does not make you soft.

1) tell me how much clarkson's contract is worth, then tell me the % this fine represents of that total

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100%. Someone that understands.

Nobody will go after Kessel now, and Hall and Ebs, just a matter of time before they get smashed, no fear for the opponent

Please tell me why a player will not go after Kessel again???? Very confused......... A player like Scott that was looking for a fight got one (which he won!)....he will never do that again???????????????

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Having all the depth at D is good.. but we have an abundance where we don't at center. Good GM's make good SMART trades that improve their team. I would be in favor of trading one of the young D prospects and package him with something if it gets us a #2 center (Hallsy has the character to carry the first line role for now). Aside from faceoff winning percentage I think the preseason has shown he has the stones to play center if need be.

So long as the trade doesn't wreck the team chemistry and such then do it. But it has to be smart, not a desperate move. If the smart trade is not there then hold your cards. Personally I think Acton could do the job. He's played well in the preseason and deserves a chance in my mind.

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Please tell me why a player will not go after Kessel again???? Very confused......... A player like Scott that was looking for a fight got one (which he won!)....he will never do that again???????????????

Because only in Edm do such acts go unpunished. The law of thermodynamics....check it out

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September 22 2013, 11:42PM
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1) tell me how much clarkson's contract is worth, then tell me the % this fine represents of that total

So what you are saying you want top players with large salaries to hope the boards and take 10 games suspensions?!? (And certainly the 2nd offenses would be greater as would they be if an injury were to happen))

....its going to cost him over half a million, btw.

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Robin, did you delete my post? Was it that bad?

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Because only in Edm do such acts go unpunished. The law of thermodynamics....check it out

2 hours ago @markhmasters: Kessel on teammates standing up for him: 'Proud of them. Thanked them all. We all stuck up for each other & that's how it has to go here.'

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Because only in Edm do such acts go unpunished. The law of thermodynamics....check it out

That didn't even slightly answer my question.

ME: "why do you think no NHL team will not go after Kessel now?"

YOU: "Law of thermodynamics"

I don't see this conversation adding any value here

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So what you are saying you want top players with large salaries to hope the boards and take 10 games suspensions?!? (And certainly the 2nd offenses would be greater as would they be if an injury were to happen))

....its going to cost him over half a million, btw.

I think you are making my point for me just fine......

Only those who disguise fear with reasons not to stand up for themselves are confused by this topic.

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September 22 2013, 11:53PM
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That didn't even slightly answer my question.

ME: "why do you think no NHL team will not go after Kessel now?"

YOU: "Law of thermodynamics"

I don't see this conversation adding any value here

Did you even google it?

When there is an equal and opposite reaction to any action..........the original action ceases to exist with time. It's physics. Not just my opinion.

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#99 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 11:58PM
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I think you are making my point for me just fine......

Only those who disguise fear with reasons not to stand up for themselves are confused by this topic.

I have asked you several questions about your stance and you simply add quotes you googled from The Art of War rather than defend your stance.

Answer what basis you believe no team will touch Kessel again?

Otherwise I am done with this.

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Craig1981 wrote:

I have asked you several questions about your stance and you simply add quotes you googled from The Art of War rather than defend your stance.

Answer what basis you believe no team will touch Kessel again?

Otherwise I am done with this.

Go to sleep dude, you have obviously never led a team before, you can't understand.

The fact that you are focusing on Jon Scott and the money clarkson will lose shows you can't understand. It's about honour and brotherhood, fabric of winning teams. Watch the leafs this year, and watch Kessel, I'll explain it later this year when they are flying high and when you can't figure out where it all began

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