Of course it Stinks: Suck it up

Robin Brownlee
September 22 2013 03:11PM

Of course it stinks that the Edmonton Oilers will start the 2013-14 season without Sam Gagner, who has a broken jaw after a stupid and dangerous play by Zack Kassian of the Vancouver Canucks Saturday. This we know.

Gagner lost several teeth and had his jaw broken in two places after Kassian missed him with an attempted hit along the boards and then whipped his stick around at head-level, catching the Oiler centre in the mouth.

Gagner could be out for a month – possibly longer if he needs surgery to have his jaw wired shut. We don’t know for sure yet because there's been no definitive word from the Oilers, who skated at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park today.

With Ryan Nugent-Hopkins also expected to miss the start of the season while he recovers from shoulder surgery, first-year coach Dallas Eakins has next-to-no depth down the middle as the Oilers prepare to face the Winnipeg Jets in their season opener Oct. 1.

After Taylor Hall, making the switch to pivot with RNH out, the men in the middle as of now are Boyd Gordon and two more from the mix of Mark Arcobello, Anton Lander and Will Acton – unless GM Craig MacTavish picks up the phone and makes a deal.

WHAT NOW?

While it's understandable if fans lament the timing of the injury or bicker about the need for more toughness in the line-up – there is merit in the argument but dressing a hammer against the Canucks wouldn’t have prevented the knucklehead play by Kassian – that isn't going to heal Gagner's busted jaw. The Oilers can moan or suck it up. Hall, for one, will go with the latter.

"I feel bad for him, but we're going to have make up for it," Hall said. "It looks like I'm going to be playing a bit more centre than I had originally planned. That's just the way it goes sometimes. I mean, not everything is going to go according to plan and this is one of those things."

"Whatever you have to do to help this team win," said Gordon, who will be pressed into duty as the second-line centre. "If I've got to move up, or whatever the case, sometimes when you lose one of your better players, I think it brings everybody together and makes everybody bear down a little bit more and focus on what they have to do to help the team win."

Until we have a more definitive time frame on Gagner, there's no way of knowing if MacTavish will come into play, as in looking outside the organization for help. Most likely, the cavalry will have to ride to the rescue from within, for better or worse – more Hall, Gordon and the rest.

Yes, it stinks. Carry on.

ROSTER CUTS

The Oilers trimmed their roster to 33 today (20 forwards, 11 defensemen and two goaltenders).

Assigned to Oklahoma City of the AHL were: Richard Bachman, Brad Hunt, Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Ryan Martindale, Andrew Miller and Ty Rimmer. Jujhar Khaira was returned to Everett of the WHL.

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#51 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 11:58PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

I think you are making my point for me just fine......

Only those who disguise fear with reasons not to stand up for themselves are confused by this topic.

I have asked you several questions about your stance and you simply add quotes you googled from The Art of War rather than defend your stance.

Answer what basis you believe no team will touch Kessel again?

Otherwise I am done with this.

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#52 Quicksilver ballet
September 23 2013, 08:48AM
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Whether we like it or not, what happened to Gagner was an accident (sort of). The Oilers are just going to have to make due with a tough situation during what we all know was going to be a difficult first month of the season anyways. Continued failure are the fruits of cutting corners and hoping for the best for Craig MacTavish. Get ready for another short term bandaid solution type move.

That being said, I'd be on the phone to Paul Holmgren looking to do something just a little bit bigger. Klefbom and Marincin/or Musil in exchange for Couturier and Mezsaros. Over 5 mill out for Paul, and zero in if both these Oiler prospects spend the season with the Phantoms. Flyers are loaded down the middle.

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#53 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 22 2013, 03:24PM
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Will Mac T check

the waiver wire for a

stopgap measure C?*

*once the waiver wire heats up of course

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#54 Larry
September 22 2013, 06:11PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Here's an idea: let's rush Nuge back into action!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour...

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#55 Tim in Kelowna
September 22 2013, 06:14PM
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I really feel for Sam. There are few injuries more frustrating or uncomfortable than a broken jaw. Not only will he miss considerable time, but he'll likely lose a ton of weight over the next 4-6 weeks. I get the sense that there aren't many guys that work harder than Gagner in the off season and this is yet another TC/early season set back.

I remember in 2011 when he looked incredible coming into training camp, he was 20% faster and looked ready to take the next step. But he sprained his ankle and his great offseason was squandered. This time he must be really frustrated because it looked like he was ready to improve on an outstanding 2013 season.

Hopefully this forces MacT to finally make a deal for that 2nd/3rd line centre we never got this summer. I suppose 2 of Arcobello/Acton/Lander might be up for the job, but if we want to make the playoffs the Oilers will have to have a good Oct/Nov. That's a pretty serious gamble.

Plus, let's face it, the Oilers need another quality centreman anyway.

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#56 thebiggestmanintheworld
September 22 2013, 07:33PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You would consider trading Oscar Klefbom to fill a hole for an injury that will keep Gagner out 4-8 weeks?

That hole at center was pretty big, before Gagner went down...

I'm not advocating a Klefbom trade or anything, but we've needed centers since before Klefbom was even drafted...

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#57 David S
September 22 2013, 07:59PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If you can name one nose-bender who is capable of playing a regular shift and is available, I'm with you.

Guys who sit on the bench 57 minutes a night twitching and blowing snot bubbles are a luxury most teams can't afford.

^ THIS.

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#58 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 08:08PM
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nick wrote:

Teams take such liberties with the Oilers because there is no worry of retribution. Time for McT to get a tough guy here. Who cares if he plays 3 minutes a game need him on the bench. On another note who the heck does Eakins think he is?? Mike Babcock?? He is a damn rookie coach should be behind the bench learning how to run an NHL bench not in the stands watching. I see why this guy wants a young team as a veteran team would tune him out real fast. Earn your stripes Eakins

Exactly. Or I should say......common sense

What happens when the renter doesn't pay on time and the landlord says nothing.

What happens when little Johnny doesn't listen to his parents and there is no punishment given to Johnny ever?

What happens when you don't take care of weeds in the garden when there are only a handful of them?

Answer: Watch tsn tonight and see what David clarkson does when the Sabre goes after Kessel. Then watch the Oiler 'responses' to yesterday's acts on hall and gagner. And no I'm not condoning a Putin-like response but tell me if you think anyone will freely go after Kessel again

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#59 Reg Dunlop
September 23 2013, 12:41AM
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There seems to be a fundamental division among fans on this issue of protecting the young oiler guns. Truth is, they have to learn how to protect themselves. A designated fighter will do nothing. Hall kneeing some clown at warp speed works but the oil can't afford to lose him to suspension. Everyone in the league will have seen the highlights, especially the complete lack of response by the oilers on the ice when Weise tried the chicken-wing and Kassian did his Glenn Anderson impersonation. If these type of things go unanswered not only does it encourage other teams to play like the canucks, it shows clearly that the assemblage of talent on Rexall ice is not a team. That is a bigger problem than lack of center depth and it also shows that the offer to Clarkson in the offseason would have been worth it.

I don't have a solution particularly but I think it is time to consider changing the mix of the core guys. Tough to win with 6 Lucics and tough to win with 6 Kanes. If our top 6 are getting injured or intimidated regularly they are of limited use. The mix must change. This reminds me of Huxley's Brave New World which needed Alphas and Epsilons to work.

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#60 BillHK
September 23 2013, 04:55AM
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Not impressed with Eakins talkig in the game next to Katz, then telling the press how he liked the fact that Vancouver dressed a heavy team so that he could see how the Oilers played against bigger teams.

Stupid rookie coach mistake of dressing an almost full NHL team in a meaningless exhibition game when the other team dresses a team of minor league goons.

The Oil played guys that feature in HNIC and ESPN highlight reels, the Nucks played guys that feature in hockeyfights.com.

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#61 risto siltanen's shot
September 23 2013, 07:56AM
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what the kids need isn't an enforcer but a video of what happens when you try to run messier,anderson or even smyth. a strong stick presence...Anderson.a strong physical presence...smyth elbow on a flames player charging in or a strong nasty presence...anything messier ever did to macoun.these will deter other aggressive twits from being so reckless in trying to intimidate the kids. if the guy charging at you might be the one getting injured then maybe he'll think twice about being so aggressive.on a side note we'd have less concussions but more shoulder separations if we'd go back to tha 70's style shoulder and elbow pads. >chance of self injury=less reckless actions. I haven't seen anyone run smytty since he learned how to keep his stick up.

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#62 Westcoastoil
September 22 2013, 04:09PM
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With the play of Nurse and Marincin + the volume of veteran D- is Klefbom the chip you trade for a C? Presumably he'd bring back more than most of the other prospects

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#63 oilfaninvic
September 22 2013, 04:40PM
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This will not be the disaster we think... Hall Arcobello Gordon Lander and lots of help on the wings.

Kassian will get 6 reg season games

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#64 Wingin'It
September 22 2013, 05:31PM
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Wow...that should be a suspension for a LONG time. But more concerning than that is that noone on the Oilers took a stand. Gonna be a long season!

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#65 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:02PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

That over-reaction will cost Toronto's new and high-priced acquisition 10 games for leaving the bench to join the scrap. Dumb move by Clarkson.

No problem at all. Message is delivered. You do not touch Kessel. Point made around the league.

You think Semenko, McSorley, heck even Sather cared about a suspension? C'mon Brownlee, you've gone soft......this whole town has.

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#66 Jroc
September 22 2013, 06:55PM
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Mueller. Mueller.

Mueller. Mueller

Ferris mueller

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#67 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:42PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

A "minor pickup from waivers" isn't the same as trading Klefbom.

Until MacTavish knows when RNH and Gagner will be back -- I'm guessing he'll know before you and I do -- let's not get frantic about what he MUST do.

I never said trade klef. Trade Marincin. Explain to.me how a depth chart of Hall Gordon Arcobello Acton/Lander will work in any capacity. Maybe dont trade klef or marincin. There is depth at our D position any zero at C so the question I have is why not make a move?

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#68 Harry
September 22 2013, 09:38PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Ottawa was without their top forward and top dman last year for most of their season, not just 5-10 games.

Now what happens if Ference breaks a hand blocking a shot and Smid dislocates a shoulder after we trade away some Dmen?? Remember when we had to call up Sebastien Bisaillon?

Im not saying trade "some" deman. But dont you think it might be a good idea to address our weakest position with arguably our strongest position.

Our center depth is brutal. And youe hypothetical makes no sence because we have a major issue at center right now. To do nothing would be idiotic. Hall, Gordon, Arco, Acton is a recipee for.disaster

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#69 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:56PM
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Harry wrote:

Im not saying trade "some" deman. But dont you think it might be a good idea to address our weakest position with arguably our strongest position.

Our center depth is brutal. And youe hypothetical makes no sence because we have a major issue at center right now. To do nothing would be idiotic. Hall, Gordon, Arco, Acton is a recipee for.disaster

Here are my thoughts. The center for our top 2 lines for the next 5+ years is pretty good. Gagner, RNH, and Hall to fill in. As long as 2/3 are not hurt long term we are set. I do not view it as our weakest position long term.

Our depth at the bottom end is brutal I give you that. I think MacT knows it too and I would presume has been trying, but if there wasn't a good trade before I don't think there is one now.

Our defensive prospects are very strong, but weak overall and long term our defense is below a contenders. I think with our current roster we need to hope at least 2 out of 3 turn out and no one but DSF knows.

PS I enjoy these civil conversations that doesn't include "good grief" or made up stats.

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#70 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:15PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You double-posted so I removed the second one -- no need to be wrong twice.

Clarkson's an honest, hard-nosed player, but that was a bonehead move on his part. Kessel had on-ice help (you can watch the replay) and Clarkson didn't need to come off the bench to get involved.

This from Toronto coach Randy Carlyle: "We're not proud or happy of what went on... David Clarkson made a mistake."

? You think Carlyle was going to say. " we are very proud of what Clarkson did, in fact I told him to do so" c'mon, give your head a shake. Only in Edm do players have to be told to stick up for one another and fight back. Sheesh

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#71 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 11:42PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

1) tell me how much clarkson's contract is worth, then tell me the % this fine represents of that total

So what you are saying you want top players with large salaries to hope the boards and take 10 games suspensions?!? (And certainly the 2nd offenses would be greater as would they be if an injury were to happen))

....its going to cost him over half a million, btw.

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#72 LoweBlow
September 23 2013, 12:56AM
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I want blood! Let's grab their 2C. Mr. Kesler, welcome to Jesse Joensuu's elbow.

Kassian won't be suspended for 4-8 weeks, the amount of time the Oil have to be without Gags.

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#73 Will
September 22 2013, 03:56PM
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With all the great stories coming out of preseason (as is usually the case... Omark, I'm looking in your direction), the one I'm not hearing is that our defense has been really good and it's not yet been a complete vet line up out there.

I mean, 5 to 1, 5 to 2 v Vancouver. Again I know it's preseason so they also haven't dressed a big gun line up, but that's really encouraging.

Hall's Faceoff win percentage might end up being a team best by the time he moves back to wing.

In the short term, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe Malhotra has had try outs with any team as of yet. See if he'll bite on a two way contract for one year. Bring him in and if he turns out to be player then you have some help in the interm, and you have also solved your fourth line center situation when Gags and Nuge are healthy again. If he stinks, well not much risk in a two way one year contract.

Also, I know it's not ideal, but this situation might be what Hall needed to get the push to center. If he shows well this could give Eakins all kinds of line combinations through the season. And it would give Mac T a few more options to build the team going forward.

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#74 michael
September 22 2013, 04:39PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

If you can name one nose-bender who is capable of playing a regular shift and is available, I'm with you.

Guys who sit on the bench 57 minutes a night twitching and blowing snot bubbles are a luxury most teams can't afford.

Does he have to be forward? I am more in favor of a Marty McSorley type/Jeff Beukeboom kind of player. Insert into lineup as needed. When needed.

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#75 Larry
September 22 2013, 06:22PM
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extroy wrote:

Fist injury of the year.... :( hopefully not a sign

Anybody going to see the Oilers against the Canucks at Rexall Place tonight? I got a sweeeeeeeeeeet pair of seats in the lower bowl from a friend. Picked 'em up for just $250 for the pair. Woooohooooo! Goilers!

Hahaha! You're not very smart...

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#76 Greg the Hammer Valentine
September 22 2013, 07:17PM
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Do you think we jinxed the Oilers with all that talk about how little depth they have at center and how it would end in tragedy? Somehow I fell partly responsible...

There must be some resonably priced stop-gap centers out there. I'm thinking Pirri in Chicago or Goc in Florida.

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#77 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:00PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

Exactly. Or I should say......common sense

What happens when the renter doesn't pay on time and the landlord says nothing.

What happens when little Johnny doesn't listen to his parents and there is no punishment given to Johnny ever?

What happens when you don't take care of weeds in the garden when there are only a handful of them?

Answer: Watch tsn tonight and see what David clarkson does when the Sabre goes after Kessel. Then watch the Oiler 'responses' to yesterday's acts on hall and gagner. And no I'm not condoning a Putin-like response but tell me if you think anyone will freely go after Kessel again

If you John Scott (The player that went after Kessel) thinks he had anything less than an incredible game you are mistaken. He goes to bed thinking he got under the skin of a teams top player and got one of there top forwards suspended for 10 games.

OMG Scott has to get into a fight......... he has been in 63 fights in the last 7 year of pro hockey. Do you really think having to drop the gloves will change his game????!!!

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#78 **
September 22 2013, 09:39PM
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Harry wrote:

I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

I agree 100% with everything you said. The caveat in this is that now Mac Tavish is in a position of weakness, and if other teams were asking for high price before, the needed acquisition will now cost much, much more. I'm not so sure the team will be able to afford it without compromising the future or making another hole in the line up. One thing is for sure, the Oilers are in the deep end right now.

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#79 Devolution
September 23 2013, 04:09AM
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Harry wrote:

Ganger and RNH are out for the first month of the season while we play most of our games away from Rexall.

How would.Mac be doing his.job if he sat back and did nothing?

Even if its a minor pickup from waivers or whatever something MUST be done.

If we ener the firat month of the season with Boyd Gordon as our most experienced center we are screwed.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but even with Sam and RNH in the lineup, Boyd Gordon is the most experienced center on the Oilers.

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#80 HardBoiledOil
September 23 2013, 07:49AM
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yup...you have no right to be angry....so "suck it up".

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#81 extroy
September 22 2013, 03:23PM
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Fist injury of the year.... :( hopefully not a sign

Anybody going to see the Oilers against the Canucks at Rexall Place tonight? I got a sweeeeeeeeeeet pair of seats in the lower bowl from a friend. Picked 'em up for just $250 for the pair. Woooohooooo! Goilers!

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#82 John Chambers
September 22 2013, 04:39PM
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Here's an idea: let's rush Nuge back into action!

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#83 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 22 2013, 05:45PM
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tuck3r wrote:

Might want to double check who your 'friends' are...game was LAST night.

He was making a funny.........it was prop worthy.....

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#84 marty 62
September 22 2013, 06:09PM
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Mr Common Sense Wrote:

I was waiting for someone to say this.

And no, because fans are now concerned with the C position, does not mean, we love sam gagner. Truth is, as juicy as the line sounds with Perron, gagner and yak, they are much much much too weak to face our Pacific division opponents. Perron looks relaxed out there and yak is def looking sharp but this line would get physically crushed by LA, SJ, VAn and Ana.

I wish Sam well but this will be a good and early slap in the face reminder that we need as much brawn as we have skill to compete. I laugh when I am told that the oil are following the Det and Chi model. Oh ya? Lol no problem......have you heard of 6'2 225lbs C Franzen? Or top C John Toews and monster Brian Bickell?

Yeah, it would nice to be able to pluck 6' 3" Centers that can play top 6 mins, but they dont grow on trees. I was just pointing out that maybe this will be a chance for guys like Hamilton to get a shot to showcase their skills. He made a sweet pass to Yak on that PPG.

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#85 Harry
September 22 2013, 08:45PM
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Geoff wrote:

I agree. But I would argue that we have too many young defencemen that are NHL capable. Not that it's a bad thing because having depth is awesome. Now that gagner is injured our lack of NHL center depth could and probably should be addressed if one of Lander/Acton/Arcobello can't show right now they are capable of NHL duties.

Of course depth at D isnt a bad thing. But ouur depth at C is so beyond bad right now it would.be suicide to not pick someone up.

I cant believe im saying this.but DSF was right. Now Mac has to prove he can deal with this. I hope he does in one way or another

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#86 dougtheslug
September 22 2013, 08:59PM
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Harry wrote:

I never said trade klef. Trade Marincin. Explain to.me how a depth chart of Hall Gordon Arcobello Acton/Lander will work in any capacity. Maybe dont trade klef or marincin. There is depth at our D position any zero at C so the question I have is why not make a move?

Actually, depth centermen are in great demand in the NHL. And offering Marincin, arguably 12th to 15th in the Oilers depth chart for said depth centerman, is likely to be an offer that most NHL GM's will be happy to refuse. Right now, no GM is going to "help out" the Oil with the friendly offer of a useful, moderately priced centre - why would they? Oilers would have to over pay for questionable value at best. Why panic? The Oil have a lot of talent on the forward lines - maybe that can tide them over until Gags and RNHJ return.

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#87 WONGER
September 22 2013, 09:04PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

That over-reaction will cost Toronto's new and high-priced acquisition 10 games for leaving the bench to join the scrap. Dumb move by Clarkson.

WRONG AGAIN !!! COURAGEOUS move by Clarkson to stick up for his teammates!!! If BIG JOHN SCOTT were an OILER ( he was born in Edmonton and trains with Doug Glatt every August in Boston with his buddy Steve SMACINTYRE) KASSIAN and WOOSE would be getting their broken faces fixed like Gagner!!!

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#88 WONGER
September 22 2013, 09:28PM
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thebiggetsmanintheworld wrote:

uhhhhh,yeah...

I thought my handle was pretty specific...

Can Stadnyk skate? Fight? Stand up on skates long enough to fight???

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#89 madjam
September 22 2013, 09:29PM
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Colorado claimed Cliché off waivers and they are overloaded with centers . Shouldn't take much to obtain Perron's old centerman and try him here . Martindale , Lander or Pitluck by acclamation ? Season hasn't started yet , and we are already mounting up on more downgrades , which vastly undermines the few upgrades we have so far . It's doubtfull MacT. will have anymore luck than Tams in trading .

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#90 Harry
September 22 2013, 09:42PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Yeah, that's a fun game to play. What would Vancouver's center depth be if Henrik Sedin was injured?:

Ryan Kesler (iffy, coming back from injury, has played exactly one exhibition game and looked tentative)

Jordan Schroeder (oh, wait, broken foot)

Bo Horvat

Brendan Gaunce

Kellan Lain

Alex Friesen

Zach Hamill

Mike Santorelli

Yikes! I'm starting to like Edmonton's lineup. Especially because HALL WASN"T INJURED!

Has hell frozen over?

Why am i forced to defend DSF.

News flash!! If any team is the NHL lost there top two centermen to start a season for a month they would have to make a move. And what better area to pick from than that teams area of strength (Edm's defence prospects).

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#91 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 22 2013, 05:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Hey it could be worse.What if Weise had connected full on with his head shot at Hall. The season is way to early to not look for some bright spots.

Not to worry Spyder....if Hall had been lost for the season......The League would have suspended Weise for at least 50 games....after all what matters is that things are fair..........BLUE RIBBONS FOR EVERYONE!!!

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#92 Poolanov
September 22 2013, 06:20PM
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They should suspend him for his next 2 games against the Oilers!!! Only makes sense.

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#93 DSF
September 22 2013, 07:37PM
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Greg the Hammer Valentine wrote:

Do you think we jinxed the Oilers with all that talk about how little depth they have at center and how it would end in tragedy? Somehow I fell partly responsible...

There must be some resonably priced stop-gap centers out there. I'm thinking Pirri in Chicago or Goc in Florida.

Why, exactly, would Chicago or Florida move their reasonably priced centres?

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#94 nick
September 22 2013, 08:00PM
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Teams take such liberties with the Oilers because there is no worry of retribution. Time for McT to get a tough guy here. Who cares if he plays 3 minutes a game need him on the bench. On another note who the heck does Eakins think he is?? Mike Babcock?? He is a damn rookie coach should be behind the bench learning how to run an NHL bench not in the stands watching. I see why this guy wants a young team as a veteran team would tune him out real fast. Earn your stripes Eakins

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#95 Mikey
September 22 2013, 08:22PM
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Mr common sense wrote:

I was waiting for someone to say this.

And no, because fans are now concerned with the C position, does not mean, we love sam gagner. Truth is, as juicy as the line sounds with Perron, gagner and yak, they are much much much too weak to face our Pacific division opponents. Perron looks relaxed out there and yak is def looking sharp but this line would get physically crushed by LA, SJ, VAn and Ana.

I wish Sam well but this will be a good and early slap in the face reminder that we need as much brawn as we have skill to compete. I laugh when I am told that the oil are following the Det and Chi model. Oh ya? Lol no problem......have you heard of 6'2 225lbs C Franzen? Or top C John Toews and monster Brian Bickell?

You must not watch a lot of Detroit games, if you talk about Franzen like that. That's like saying have you heard of 6'4 230 Dustin Penner? John Toews? That's your example of brawn? Ha. I'll give you Bickell.

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#96 Craig1981
September 22 2013, 09:12PM
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Harry wrote:

I hate to break it to you folks who think a trade is a bad idea that that is exactly what Tamby would do.

Name one team ever that can survive without its top two centers for the first month of the season.

We needed a center before. And now.we desperately need a center.

We have assets to make a good hockey trade. Hemsky, Marincin, Klefbom and what about next years first rounder?

I woild trade Marincin. His stock is very high right now and with Nurse, Klef, Shultz and Petry we have plenty of young defencemen.

Mactavish would be making a massive mistake if he sits back like tentative Tamby and attempts to survive this. If he doea and we get off to a bad start and miss the postseason because we went 5-10 to start the year it would be the same old BS from the GM of this club.

Please do your job Mac and make a trade!!!

Ottawa was without their top forward and top dman last year for most of their season, not just 5-10 games.

Now what happens if Ference breaks a hand blocking a shot and Smid dislocates a shoulder after we trade away some Dmen?? Remember when we had to call up Sebastien Bisaillon?

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#97 Harry
September 22 2013, 11:07PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

News flash!Just because you want to trade a dman for a centerman doesn't mean NHL GM's are going to line up to accommodate you. This isn't Playstation. Oiler d depth was acquired painfully over the past few years and suddenly you want to squander it for temporary help? Which would become redundant as soon as RNH and Gagner are ready to play. Which will be in about 4 weeks or less, from what I am hearing.

Who said anything about temporary help. Im not saying trade for just anybodd. Theres no reason why edm cant make a meaningful trade for a zach smith or similar type player.

4-6 weeks is.an eternity when you'll most likely be in a dog fight to get 7th or 8th place.

If edm squanders the first month or so of the season it will be very tough to make up that much ground. And its not like a decent depth center would be out of place once those two came back.

How many rookie dmen do you think edm should break in in the next 3 years anyway? And how do you suppose we aquire center depth moving forward? A trade has to happend if not now then by the deadline im sure.

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#98 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:11PM
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WONGER wrote:

WRONG AGAIN !!! COURAGEOUS move by Clarkson to stick up for his teammates!!! If BIG JOHN SCOTT were an OILER ( he was born in Edmonton and trains with Doug Glatt every August in Boston with his buddy Steve SMACINTYRE) KASSIAN and WOOSE would be getting their broken faces fixed like Gagner!!!

100%. Someone that understands.

Nobody will go after Kessel now, and Hall and Ebs, just a matter of time before they get smashed, no fear for the opponent

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#99 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:34PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Ok, do players that have played in the last 15 years care about suspensions? YES!!!! If you are only getting paid $500,000 a year you care about a 41 game suspension for "breaking jaws" as people have suggested. Since you have already gave up $50,000 to your agent and have a limited window to earn and save for your future.

Just because your are not stupid, does not make you soft.

1) tell me how much clarkson's contract is worth, then tell me the % this fine represents of that total

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#100 Mr common sense
September 22 2013, 11:41PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Please tell me why a player will not go after Kessel again???? Very confused......... A player like Scott that was looking for a fight got one (which he won!)....he will never do that again???????????????

Because only in Edm do such acts go unpunished. The law of thermodynamics....check it out

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