GDB -3: OPPORTUNITY KNOCKS

Jason Gregor
September 23 2013 12:29PM

Marc Arcobello and Anton Lander received a wonderful opportunity yesterday morning, when it was announced Sam Gagner is out at least a month with a broken jaw. Had Gagner not been injured, neither one of them would have been playing on the top-three lines, and unless Craig MacTavish picks up a veteran off the waiver wire before next Tuesday, one of Lander or Arcobello will be in the Oilers top-nine on opening night against the Jets.

Boyd Gordon was going to be the 3rd line centre, and it looks like he'll get a chance to play with scoring wingers.

Taylor Hall has played with Ales Hemsky and Ryan Smyth throughout camp, and they will likely start the season together. So that leaves Jordan Eberle, David Perron, Nail Yakupov and one of Ryan Hamilton, Linus Omark, Tyler Pitlick, Jesse Joensuu and Ryan Jones to play the wings with Boyd Gordon and Arcobello/Lander.

It is not ideal to start the season with your first (Ryan Nugent-Hopkins) and second (Gagner) line centres in the pressbox, but that's life in Edmonton.

In a best case scenario Gagner will only be out a month, which means he'd miss ten regular season games, and return on October 24th vs. the Capitals. Nugent-Hopkins is shooting for the final week of October, but the Oilers will not rush him, so he might be able to return on Sunday October 27th vs. the Kings, which means he'd miss 12 games. Again, that is if everything goes well for both, and maybe one of them returns a bit sooner, but that seems unlikely.

Gagner will have surgery tomorrow, and he's going to have a few plates inserted into his jaw. If is mouth needs to be wired shut his recovery will be longer, so we won't know if he'll be out a month or longer until tomorrow or Wednesday.

OPTIONS

What should Craig MacTavish do?

He can go with what he has and hope that Gordon, Arcobello/Lander can fill the void for the short term.

He can look at the waiver wire and grab a serviceable veteran, if one becomes available.

Look at a trade.

Making a trade from an obvious position of weakness isn't ideal. No team is going to trade him a legit top-six centre, unless he's willing to part with one of Eberle, Perron or Yakupov, and I doubt that happens. We rarely see trades in October, mainly because teams want to see what they have.

The waiver wire might be MacTavish's best bet if he is looking for someone with NHL experience.

Some teams have gotten very lucky with waiver wire pickups over the years, and most centres would love the opportunity to come to Edmonton and play with Eberle, Perron, Hemsky or Yakupov.

There is no guarantee someone more proven than Lander or Arcobello becomes available via waivers, so Dallas Eakins will use the next three games to figure out who deserves the best opportunity of their young career, Arcobello or Lander.

It is clear that Arcobello is ranked higher than Lander today after listening to Eakins. he'll have three games to show he's capable of filling the second or third line centre slot for the short time.

It looks like Gordon is going to get an opportunity to play with skilled forwards, and he'll centre Yakupov and Omark tonight.

LINEUP

Omark-Gordon-Yakupov
Joensuu-Arcobello-Pitlick
Jones-Lander-Hamilton
Eager-Acton-Brown

Ference-Belov
Smid-Larsen
N.Schultz-Fedun

Dubnyk
LaBarbera

RETURN OF THE SMAC....

The Oilers claimed Steve MacIntyre on waivers and he'll be back in Edmonton for the third time. There is no doubt MacIntyre can fight and intimidate, when he's on the ice, but if they only play him four minutes a game I'm not sure how impactful he can be.

I will say this; however, I had four different Oilers walk up to me with a huge smile on their face saying MacIntyre is coming back. There is no doubt the players respect his toughness, but unless the rest of the Oilers players are willing to play team tough, and that doesn't mean just fighting, then MacIntyre will have a hard time policing every player on every team. 

Those who believe having a heavyweight on the bench will stop Zack Kassian from making a dumb play, are just as off-base as those who use Chicago and Detroit as examples of not needing one. The Hawks and Wings are great teams, the Oilers aren't, and until the Oilers start winning they won't get any respect, and teams won't be fearful of their powerplay, because the majority of the game is still played 5-on-5, and the Oilers don't scare anyone at even strength; at least not yet.

The Oilers need more team toughness, not one guy who plays four minutes a night, if they want to properly protect themselves. You can't expect Mike Brown, Ben Eager or Steve MacIntyre to police the opposition, because they don't play regularly enough.

The Oilers need to be more assertive, or MacTavish has to go find some players who have an edge, but also possess the skill to play in the top-nine or top-four. Until that happens, I believe teams will continue to take liberties with the Oilers unless more players decide to show they are willing to stand up for themselves, or have more of a pack mentality. You can't look the other way when one of your teammates is being harassed. It doesn't mean all the Oilers skilled players need to become fighters; they just need to have more players willing to defend one another.

Did Phil Kessel take one punch from John Scott last night? Nope, his teammates came flying in before any serious damage occurred. We all know Scott/Kessel situations are rare, but when all four of his teammates didn't hesitate and come to his rescue, that saved Kessel from a beating, and none of them got injured.

QUICK HITS

  •  Zack Kassian will likely be suspended for at least five games, because the NHL asked, although he didn't go, for an in-person hearing and that usually means a minimum five game suspension. There is no doubt it was a careless play, but I don't buy for a second that he did it because the Oilers don't have a heavyweight. Teams that have heavyweights still suffer injuries. Kassian made a dumb decision in the heat of the moment.

    Hockey is a violent game, and when you have guys skating 30 miles an hour, with blades on their feet, sticks in their hands and body contact is allowed, bad decisions will happen. We need to stop being surprised when a player makes a dumb, split-second decision. We all do it in real life, and often in situations that don't involve competition.

    How many of us have had road rage recently? You freaked, likely over a simple thing, and then started cursing and ofter threatening the person. We all know it is against the law, but that doesn't go through our mind when we are freaking out. We know it is illegal to text and drive, yet most of us still do it.

    Hockey fans and pundits need to stop being shocked or surprised when a player makes a bad or careless decision. Usually they are split-second decisions, and even though the risk of suspension or possible retribution from a tough guy looms overhead, that doesn't go through a player's mind milliseconds before he hits a player.
     
  • The most positive news for Oiler fans coming from the MacIntyre news, and Gagner injury is that Hall is going to play even more minutes according to head coach Dallas Eakins. If Hall is on the ice 21-22 minutes a night, that means the Oilers have a much better shot of winning more games.
     
  • Despite all that I understand why the Oilers got MacIntyre, and I think it was necessary. We all know the Oilers have been pushed around for years, and if having MacIntyre on the bench makes every player even a bit more confident it will be worth it. The key is using him in certain situations to initiate physical play, rather than just respond when the opposition takes liberties on the Oilers. Reacting after the fact isn't going to change anything.
     
  • Anton Belov looked very good in his first game on Saturday. He made some excellent passes out of the zone, and looked solid defensively. It was only one game, but I thought he made a very good first impression.
     
  • Ryan Jones needs to play with more tenacity and competitiveness. Eakins has preached "compete" and Jones, Acton, Lander, Omark and Joensuu all need to show more of it, if they want to be here when the season starts. 

 

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#51 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:08PM
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So....let me the first to ask......when do they announce.the Captaincy.....and assuming that its on or before the first game of the season....does that eliminate Gagner from the discussion?

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#52 michael
September 24 2013, 09:01AM
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JJ locked a spot last night. Acton.Its going to be down to the wire between Hamilton and Pitlick.I really think Ryan Jones has played his way off this team. His game is not up to what it needs to be to earn a spot. Lander needs another season in OKC. He has not been visible during TC. Ben Eager needs to play out the rest of TC and continue to show up and step up. Mike Brown is on this team.Smack is the 14 th forward and I am just tickled that he is here.

On defense I still think Nick Shultz is on the move sooner than later. If only to bolster the Oilers woes at center. Larsen played well last night again.But so did Fedun. It looks like Smid=Petry, J Shultz and Ference. Nick Shultz and Belov. With Grebby the 7th.

Larsen and Fedun are out in . Unless something else gives this week. Potter is on the IR so I do not even think about him.

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#53 Lochenzo
September 24 2013, 11:26AM
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oilerjed wrote:

I agree but really what is the option?

I was flipping between the Oilers and Nucks/Yotes game. Gilbert Brule looked good, but I only saw him for a few shifts. Brule is there on a PTO. Not sure if Phoenix signed him yet or not, but if he is still available, I would hope the Oilers have a pro scout or two keeping tabs.

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#54 DRUDS
September 23 2013, 12:41PM
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I am a bit depressed by this injury, Arcobello and Lander have been pretty near invisible this camp and Hamilton has been ok but as a third/fourth line centre not second line. I am thinking we need to get someone as we cannot afford to start the season with 10 losses in a row or something like that.

Also I was sad to see the defenceman Hunt get sent down as that guy was awesome for the two games I watched...small but showed a lot of grit and had some offence as well.

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#55 VK63
September 23 2013, 01:01PM
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Kessel got punked. Scott wasn't going to rag doll him.. he was toying with him and Kessel and (incredibly) Clarkson fell for it hook, line and sinker.

As for smac. I guess I look forward to a McGratton vs Smac tilt and the 38 seconds of staged anticipation that it will generate.

Smac is locked to the code. he doesn't jump skilled guys, couldn't catch them if he tried and exists solely to square off against the other dancing bear on the ice.

However.

He is a huge beauty in the room. The young lads love him to bits... and watching Louie Debrusk and the other hunting buddies strutting around like peacocks is amusing to be sure.

Welcome back big dog! May Eakins find something in your on ice play that the many others could not.

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#56 Steve
September 23 2013, 01:15PM
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Deterrent players don't need to skate well. They go over the board for maybe 3-5 minutes a game, and it sure as hell isn't score.

As far as Centre goes, I say you keep Gordon on the #3 line like you planned. I know it's a different level of league, but Arcobello had good chemistry with Eberle when they played together in OKC last year. See if they can do it again at the NHL level and adjust as needed from there.

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#57 Lochenzo
September 23 2013, 01:27PM
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I noticed that Perron took one of the draws on the PP and won. He definitely has the defensive acumen to play centre. Maybe that's bandaid #2 and ask Yak to start the year on the left side. Not ideal because you're asking so many guys to play away from their strength, but might be servicable.

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#58 Brian Sutherby Jockstrap
September 23 2013, 01:32PM
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Oilers player need to learn/find ways to defend themselves. Not the point of being Phil Kessel and slashing the other teams, but find ways to bite back. Perron did a good job of this last game when he cheap shot Wiese with a punch to the face.

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#59 Time Travelling Sean
September 23 2013, 01:42PM
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james_dean wrote:

As what kassian said

"great, he cant even skate"

Deterrent? Good grief

I didn't know Kassian could skate either.

Gagner can skate though and we don't have him because of some 4th liner.

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 02:07PM
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"Omark-Gordon-Yakupov

Joensuu-Arcobello-Pitlick

Jones-Lander-Hamilton

Eager-Acton-Brown"

That's one hell of a preseason lineup! This is the "show me!" lineup.

Grabs some rings boys, your hockey future is on the line!

"Hall is going to play even more minutes according to head coach Dallas Eakins."

Do you have any sense of whether this "Hall at C" experiment is closer to full-time switch? Or, is it still way too early?

"Anton Belov looked very good"

Agreed. I am very curious to see how he responds to more TOI, responsibility and a vet D partner he doesn't have to worry about.

"Ryan Jones needs to play with more tenacity and competitiveness."

Spector seems to think he might get waived:

" Follow Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec MacIntyre comes on to Oilers NHL roster. We predict Ryan Jones will be off it, sooner than later."

any thoughts?

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#61 Pucker
September 23 2013, 02:14PM
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I haven't seen any pre-season but IF Eager can consistently play like he does on his best days and IF Brown does the same and IF we can get good support/puck movement in the D-Zone with Smac on the ice, we may have some surprisingly effective players providing some good entertainment during Oiler games.

I'm not a big supporter of the nuclear enforcer but at least it's a baby step and perhaps it will bring about a more aggressive attitude throughout the line up.

I've just watched the Kassian thing. He should get 20 games.

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#62 Walter Sobchak
September 23 2013, 02:41PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

It's like Hartikianen last year Rom, if he's not going to bring some tenacity, be hard on the puck and actually start hitting guys.....ya, then I think he's replaceable.

While I agree with you on S-Mac the team has to get tougher to play against, Jones looks like he's floating out there.

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#63 Rama Lama
September 23 2013, 03:36PM
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If I were the Oilers coach...........I would make it a mandate to not bother running Kasahying sian, Alberts, or Sistito and instead run the Sedins.

You fight fire with fire. Steve Smackintyre can be the deterrent when we are playing against teams that have a true heavyweight. You either hit or get hit.......it's that simple.

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#64 Pajamah
September 23 2013, 04:06PM
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@Jason Gregor

"Those who believe having a heavyweight on the bench will stop Zack Kassian from making a dumb play, are just as off-base as those who use Chicago and Detroit as examples of not needing one."

Please reiterate this to Spec on his way out the door!

Woodguy and him had a discussion on this, and I am firmly in the "good teams don't need them" camp. If, and its a big IF, you can make teams pay for doing stupid things by getting the 2 points, then MacIntyre is useless.

No one is scared of Weise or Kassian, but those guys injured, or atleast attempted to in Weise's case, 2 of our star players. Hemsky or Perron can do what they did (swing a stick and throw a forearm shiver)

The problem with the Oilers is that they don't. Will Acton and Ben Eager only need to get their elbows up next game against the Sedins, and all will be right in the world.

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#65 Smokey
September 23 2013, 04:18PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Harti is off to the races already this season in the KHL.

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/hartikainen-and-yakimov-leading-the-way-for-overseas-oiles/

I think he would have been an upgrade on all of Jones, Eager, Brown, SMac, Hamilton, Acton and a draw with Omark and Joensuu.

The problem with Jones is that he isn't good enough to play top 6 minutes, but his style of play was never enough for those looking for meat in the bottom of the line up. He just doesn't play that way.

His job is the same as Omark's. They are there to create offence in the bottom of the lineup and fill in as needed for injury up roster. Right now, both aren't doing that very well.

I don't think Hartski is anywhere close to an upgrade on Jones. I'm not a fan of Jones and hated the signing. No point having Omark in the conversation. Joensuu is world better in terms of skating and seems in this small sample a better scorer and has a physical dimension that Hartski never showed. Hartski showed no ability at the NHL to score, and in the KHL with a handful of stars, NHL neverwillbe's, and long past their best before date former NHL'er his numbers are fairly impressive so far. He is better then tweeners you mentioned.

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#66 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 04:38PM
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Smokey wrote:

I wish Teemu was here, don't get me wrong. Our bottom six would look a lot better with him rather then say Hamilton or Acton, or Eager. However he seems like he is player who was given 50 games to show if he could hit or score. He did neither. I don't know how good his penalty killing is, and he is not needed on the PP.

Agreed.

He blew it last year when the opportunity was there. And, he didn't want to ride the buses anymore for pennies, which is entirely understandable.

If we are lucky he grows into a really good player and comes back in two years time* like a freebie.

*There may be an opt-out clause. A lot of these Euro contracts let players opt-out at some point if an NHL offer comes around. Maybe Gregor knows.

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#67 Smokey
September 23 2013, 05:16PM
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Reinman wrote:

Omark on the Top line tonight. Hope he realizes this is the game he needs to prove he is an NHLer.

Another 5 goal game would probably go a long way.

I'd rather see these 5 things. Skate hard, play positional sound, control the cycle, throw a hit on defenceman and skate hard on the backcheck, and score on a simple deke or wrister in a shootout.

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#68 Woogie63
September 23 2013, 07:25PM
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Yikes

Over the careers of our top 3 centres - Hall, RNH, Gagner what is the percentage of missed games due to injury.. Need to count what Hall would have missed ladt year.

We have an URGENT need at centre. Murray solved Alfie within a day...what will MacT's Bold move be to respond?

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#69 marty62
September 23 2013, 08:36PM
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If any of you didnt listen to Mact in the presser, he wont be trading or claiming a center. we have what we have. he said in not so many words, why acquire a marginally better guy that you will have to dump when your other guys come back in 8 weeks. Its time for the other kids on the Oiler roster to step up. I agree with Gregor, Im excited to see Hall play 20+ minutes a night at center AND on the PK. I also like Eagers comments about "when guys start running our guys we have to start running their best guys" I think Eager needs to start losing it on a few people on the opposing teams Its players like him that will make teams nervous not Smacker, I like Smacker but no one is crazy enough to want to drop the gloves with him, They have all seen the Ivanans fight.

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
September 23 2013, 10:19PM
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Belov is clearly the best of the rest on this team. It's clear already, and he's only going to get more comfortable/better as the weeks progress. Clearly better than Larssen, Grebeshkov, N.Schultz, Fedun and Potter. Heck, i'd even put him ahead of Smid. Only thing Belov needs is a better number, the ghost of Tom Gilbert is still too fresh.

Way too many AHL'ers in both lineups this evening. Not even close to the pace we'll see next week.

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#71 madjam
September 23 2013, 10:56PM
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I missed commenting on Pitluck , whom did have a good game considering , probably second star on Oilers behind Dubnyk , however .

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#72 book¡e
September 24 2013, 06:29AM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Ryan Whitney made everyone around him look great by comparison last year!

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#73 Rob...
September 24 2013, 08:20AM
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Please please, hockey gods, don't have the Oilers pressure RNH to return early from rehab, and don't let RNH try to do so on his own either.

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#74 CaptainLander
September 24 2013, 09:52AM
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Based on what I have seen in the last couple games, my season starting lineup looks like this, I have liked the way the guys on the fourth line (below) have for-checked. Pitlick has been a very nice surprise, though he would fade away.

Smyth Hall Eberle Perron Arcobello Hemsky Joensuu Gordan Yak Hamilton Acton Pitlick

Ference Jschultz Belov Petry Smid NSchultz

Dubs Labarbra

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#75 Ducey
September 24 2013, 10:26AM
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Yep wrote:

Omark on waivers, lets hope he gets picked up.

Got a link?

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#76 michael
September 24 2013, 10:31AM
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Can anybody here make an argument for Ryan Jones making this roster. He has looked passive and out of sorts. His play looks tentative. Not on my roster.

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#77 Matt Henderson
September 24 2013, 10:47AM
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Omark on waivers really messes up my Goat pick

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#78 oilerjed
September 24 2013, 11:06AM
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IM not sure why Eager is being considered for the lineup? has been a non factor as far as I could see, Acrobello either(but stays by default). I understand Pitlick is young but if he can keep up this pace he has to have a shot. Shultz Sr and Ryan Jones(sorry ryan)are not going to work for the oil this year if this team is going to progress. JJ-Hall-Yak Perron-Acrobello-Eberle Hamilton-Gordon-Hemsky Smyth-Acton-Brown

Is there ant chance Pitlick will move to Center?

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#79 Lochenzo
September 24 2013, 11:13AM
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Jesse Joenesuu (sp?) I'm going to have to learn how to spell his name because he's making the team if he keeps playing like he did last night.

I'd also say Will Acton is ahead of Arcobello and Lander. In fact, I would even say that I would be a little worried if the plan is to use either Arcobello or Lander to fill the Gagner void.

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#80 oilerjed
September 24 2013, 11:17AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Jesse Joenesuu (sp?) I'm going to have to learn how to spell his name because he's making the team if he keeps playing like he did last night.

I'd also say Will Acton is ahead of Arcobello and Lander. In fact, I would even say that I would be a little worried if the plan is to use either Arcobello or Lander to fill the Gagner void.

I agree but really what is the option?

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#81 Quicksilver ballet
September 24 2013, 11:20AM
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Can't help but feel Acton, Arcobello and Lander are just the best of what's left, rather than deserving of the last two center ice roster spots.

Till the four positions can be filled with actual NHL caliber players, we're stuck on the outside looking in.

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#82 Oilers42
September 23 2013, 01:08PM
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Gregor I'm pretty sure the hall line is playing and not actons line tonight because Hemsky did a pre game interview

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#83 Craig1981
September 23 2013, 01:20PM
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Gregor, do you think the MacIntyre pickup, will mean the Oilers will be more likely to carry 2 reserve forwards and 1 dman instead of the opposite as people thought before?

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#84 Craig1981
September 23 2013, 01:28PM
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@Spydyr

I think a lot of the Oilersnation's arguments has extremists trying to argue their extremes (no fighting in hockey OR having a fighter will stop teams from bodychecking your top lines)

IMO its a grey area that is worth the debate. How important is having a player that can only fight, how often should you dress him, do you need a middleweight, should top players drop the gloves, and so on..... those arguments will never end (and are an interesting read when someone puts thought into their opinions)

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#85 dobkos@shaw.ca
September 23 2013, 01:48PM
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Speaking of over-rated Kassian, Before you beak off brother- you are a thriving success wow.. You can't even contribute playing with the Sedin Sisters. Payback is going to hurt at some point , when the Oil are smacking the Nucks and the game is out of hand , SMAC is going to remember and introduce himself to you. Trust me Zac - He is not Ben Eager.

On another note - is the game on TV tonight at all ?

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#86 Rotten Ron
September 23 2013, 01:59PM
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TonyT wrote:

If Big Mac plays 3 minutes a night, and someone else gets double shifted (i.e. Hall), then I'm fine with that. The last time he played didn't he go right after Clutterbuck (might be wrong), after one of the young guns took a hit. If all he does is lineup against John Scott or George Parros, then we don't need him. But, if he pulls a John Scott and goes after Phil Kessel or Kassian or Clutterbuck regardless of if they oblige him, then that is a "nuclear deterrent" for the opposition.

He wasnt here when the clutterbuck hall incident occurred. Look up Macintyre vs Staubitz when Staubitz ran MPS

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#87 HOFFFF
September 23 2013, 02:13PM
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I would love to see Big Mac make the same statement to start the season like he did against Calgary a few years ago.

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#88 tileguy
September 23 2013, 02:36PM
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Of course the players are not afraid of a nuclear deterrent, the all have a degree of mach to play the game. You have to make the COACH afraid of the detterent, and you do that by immediately targeting one of there skill guys. You put the big fella on with a couple of skaters that can force any one of their skill guys in a corner and then he gets his face bloddied. The league knows this, the others teams knows this, everybody knows this, a suspension will follow, maybe 5 guys for our good, Kassian will probably get 5 games, big deal, we lost Gagne for 10-20 games. Going after Kasian is STUPID, going after a skill guy makes them all wary, ie the player the coach and the league.

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#89 Mac962
September 23 2013, 02:56PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Yes, "the" game is on.

6:30 on TSN, Broncos by 24.

You are just Brilliant aren't you.

Lol - Raiders shock Broncs...book it. maybe not.

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#90 Micbilly99
September 23 2013, 03:12PM
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While I understand that the Oilers need to be "tougher" and I also understand that the current group of players will not become 'tougher' overnight. Hemsky is not going to become this great body checker or fierce 'stickman', nor are any of the Oilers. Current management has not addressed the ‘toughness’ issue with this team and now the only choice they have is to bring in a player like MacIntyre to ‘police’ the opposition. This acquisition is a mere band aid to greater problem. As for Gagne’s injury, well the Oilers were crossing their fingers he didn’t get hurt and that little bit of voodoo didn’t help. So now they don’t have one single legit NHL center in their lineup. Eakins must be pissed. No centers for his 1st year of coaching in the NHL! Now the next guys up had better step up and take advantage of the situation or the Oilers will have a very long year starting with opening night.

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#91 Will
September 23 2013, 03:16PM
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Is too much to ask for guys like Macentyre that in the off season they work tirelessly on things like skating and forechecking. I know these guys know their roles and perform them well, but does that limit their ambition to improve other aspects of their game so they can at least become functional in some capacity.

Laroc for example. He was brutal, but he could chip and chase, win the puck back along the boards, then either freeze it their and maintain possession, or cycle it out. Not great but knowing you could send a guy out their to grind the game pace and the opposition down for a shift here and there was a nice weapon for Mac T.

There should be no reason why a guy like Macentyre can't learn to skate faster / more technical, and get in on a simple forecheck to exert some physical pressure on the other team.

As for the nuclear deterrent, I have yet to see a team not take every liberty possible with the kids. Why do think Gagner has to fight every once and a while, cause the opposition has never been worried about running our skill. What I would love to see is if instead of Smac coming in to fight someone after the fact, he went out and ran their skill players. That has to be where players like Brown and Eagre push back. Hall gets run then so will your guys.

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#92 Geoff
September 23 2013, 03:30PM
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I think the debate between having and not having a pure enforcer shouldn't be argued by whether or not nhl teams need it like detroit or chicago but whether or not OUR team needs it. And since our team is rather soft/well intentioned/pure skill type guys if Smac can play I'm all for it.

Would rather a top 6 player that was an enforcer but that's a trade one of the wonder kiddies scenario. Smac is a cheap pickup and if he goes south /shrug but if he works out smiley faces for everyone =D.

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#93 Rama Lama
September 23 2013, 03:37PM
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I meant Kassian.........big thumbs!

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#95 nuyour
September 23 2013, 04:27PM
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Can they put Jones on waivers?

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#96 Smokey
September 23 2013, 04:32PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think with all these bubble players there is going to be debate. They aren't that far apart from one another.

I think if Harti were here, he'd be in the mix and showing pretty well.

He was brutal in the NHL last year on the score sheet. But he showed well in the AHL and has continued to show well in the K. Those are the world's two best leagues after the NHL.

One problem with Harti, Omark, Hamilton, Joensuu, etc. is the small and uneven sample sizes. Makes evaluation difficult.

I wish Teemu was here, don't get me wrong. Our bottom six would look a lot better with him rather then say Hamilton or Acton, or Eager. However he seems like he is player who was given 50 games to show if he could hit or score. He did neither. I don't know how good his penalty killing is, and he is not needed on the PP.

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#97 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 04:33PM
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nuyour wrote:

Can they put Jones on waivers?

AFAIK, once a player has reached waiver eligibility (we know Jones has because that's how we got him), they must be put on waivers to be sent down.

Jones is on a one-way, though... so that sucks.

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#98 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 04:39PM
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TSNBobMcKenzie: VAN's Zack Kassian gets 5 regular season games and rest of pre-season for highsticking Gagner.

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#99 nunyour
September 23 2013, 04:46PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

AFAIK, once a player has reached waiver eligibility (we know Jones has because that's how we got him), they must be put on waivers to be sent down.

Jones is on a one-way, though... so that sucks.

Tks.To bad because we need more toughness from the bottom guys and he adds none ,and I think he has been out played by a couple young guys.

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#100 Reinman
September 23 2013, 05:04PM
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Omark on the Top line tonight. Hope he realizes this is the game he needs to prove he is an NHLer.

Another 5 goal game would probably go a long way.

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