The Road Gets a Little Bumpier

Jason Strudwick
September 23 2013 09:33AM

Saturday night, in a preseason game against the Vancouver Canucks there was a stupid stick swinging incident involving the Canucks Zack Kassian. The result has really put a dent in the Oilers ability to have a strong start to this season.

Sam Gagner was hit by Kassian's stick in the mouth and by all reports he will miss a yet to be determined number of regular season games thanks to a broken jaw. The timing of this is very frustrating for any player.

All players work very hard in the summer to be fine tuned to get off to a good start. Hours in the gym and on the ice make sure they are ready to go. There is never a good time to be injured but I always felt that getting hurt in preseason was brutal.

The rest of the NHL continues right along and a player injured in exhibition is left behind. It is inevitable that Gagner will lose the fine edge he was worked on all summer. His level of conditioning will be challenged in two ways:

One, I would not expect a lot of training for him while the injury is acute. Two, his calorie and diet intake will be altered. After losing teeth and breaking your jaw would you feel like consuming the necessary calories to maintain your weight and energy levels?

I once took a puck to the mouth the morning after our team's rookie party (great times by the way). The dentist described the state of my mouth like this... "it looks like a grenade went off on your lips." Not what I wanted to hear, especially after a late night. A bunch of teeth were loose and I had to wear a brace across my top row of teeth. I lived on soup and protein shakes for a few weeks. Until I could eat whole foods again I was losing weight faster then Gregor was losing his hair at the age of eighteen.

This isn't good news for Gagner. In time he will get to the level he wants to be but it will not be right away. I know how competitive he is and the high expectations he puts on himself. The longer his down time, the longer it will take for him to get back to playing at his self imposed high level.

For the Oilers, the Gagner injury will leave them without their top two centers to start the season. Due to the Olympic break the Oilers have a full month of games in October. Wins will be harder to come by without both Gagner and Nuge. Take the top two centers off any team and that team will struggle.

As for Zach Kassian this was a very stupid play. I honestly don't understand how his stick could end up hitting Gagner in the face. I feel that a player is always responsible for his stick. Always. I do not think it was by accident that it flew up and hit Gagner in the face. It was on or near the ice and then flies up? Makes no sense to me.

The Consequences

Kassian will probably be suspended. If I am the Oilers why do I care about that? It doesn't bring back Gagner any sooner. One, two, 5, 10 games...doesn't make a difference. Even for the Canucks, at this stage in Kassian's development their team will move on without him.

I think the issue is with the lack of overall toughness in the Oilers lineup. Players like Kassian have no fear in playing the Oilers extra tough. Who outside of Mike Brown can stand up to a guy like Kassian or Andrew Alberts? Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with.

I know Edmonton got a lot of power plays against the Canucks Saturday. The plan is to score on those PP attempts frequently enough that the opponent will have to tone down the physical play. I get that, but at some point doesn't the team need to have the ability to stand up for itself?

When is enough enough? And when they get to that point who will be the guy to do it? I really like Brown as a player, he played very well saturday, but it is unfair to ask one undersized guy to fight the whole team's battles. I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player, just bring in someone who can play and step up when needed.

Last summer the Canadians signed Brandon Prust to a nice contract. He plays hard and fought most of the team's battles when needed. He did a good job but it is a lonely job if you are the only one doing it and you are undersized. Marc Bergevin saw the need to get him some help. This off season he brought in George Parros to take the pressure off Prust. I guarantee all the Habs are walking taller this season.

I don't care if Kassian gets suspended for one or ten games. I do care how the Oilers respond when they play him again. It is important for the team to not brush this over like nothing happened or it was an accident. The Oiler team can make a statement to not only the Canucks but all the teams in the league with some kind of a response.

Will someone stand up and say enough is enough?

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Jason hosts the Jason Strudwick show from 9pm to 12am, weeknights on the team 1260. He is an instructor at Mount Carmel Hockey Academy and loves working with the kids. Having played over 650 games in the NHL, Jason has some great stories and unique takes on life in the NHL. He loves Slurpees and Blizzards. Dislikes baggy clothes and close talkers.
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#51 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:29AM
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Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

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#52 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
September 23 2013, 10:30AM
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DSF wrote:

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 1m Oil claim Mcintyre

Beautiful! Way to make a statement, MacT. Mr. Dithers would have pondered this for a while.

A knuckle dragger with a screw loose... now that's intimidation!

Too bad there aren't two of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hImezA0nbDU

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#53 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 23 2013, 10:31AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

That's a frightening thought, isn't it?

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#54 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 10:31AM
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Perhaps if they tell big Mac to destroy anyone who even looks at the kids sideways the way Semenko protected Gretzky this might work.

Take the instigator penalty take the suspensions just don't take any cheap shots on the kids. They bleed you bleed, more.

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#55 Zamboni Driver
September 23 2013, 10:34AM
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@DSF

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

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#56 DSF
September 23 2013, 10:34AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Let's not get carried away here.

I've said all along that C depth is brutal.

But having a blindspot doesn't make someone dumb. It makes someone who, despite their smarts, acted dumb.

Thing is... time exists. MacT has a chance to address this issue, correct past mistakes and adapt... like all of us.

And, your point about D is ridiculous. Total nonsense. The two aren't related even. There is no zero sum game here. Adding competition to the D depth chart doesn't keep you from doing anything with the C position. That is total BS.

The D depth is MacT's shining achievement this offseason. Pretend it isn't all you want.

This is all patent nonsense.

The salary cap and the 50 man roster limit create a zero sum game.

The D depth is just swell but not as impressive when you consider the Oilers need TWO top pairing D not a battalion of tweeners.

That a NHL GM is willing to go into a new season with only 3 actual NHL centres while one of them is recovering from major surgery and then loses another one during pre-season is about as convincing an indictment as you'll ever get.

JIm Nill, in Dallas, recognized immediately that his team had poor centre depth and acquired 3 of them in ONE DAY.

That didn't prevent him from also acquiring an actual NHL top pairing defenseman in the same off season.

Call MacT's performance a blind spot if you like...I'll call it dumb.

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#57 DSF
September 23 2013, 10:35AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

No.

The 1m was how long the tweet had been posted.

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#58 thebiggestmanintheworld
September 23 2013, 10:35AM
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The Oilers are easy to play against.

That's the problem.

Goons, fighters, enforcers, whatever you call them, has been proven to be a waste of a roster spot....

However, there is no team that has any reservations about "checking" their game when they play us.

How that changes, IMO, is the whole team gets tougher.

Goalie gets snowed, 5 guys start face-washing.

Guy runs Eberle, he gets slashed in the calf the way back up the ice.

Every chance we get, our skills guys need to be chirping, hacking, and getting greasy.

No body wins in hockey being "nice". Chicago had guys like Bolland, Shaw and Carcillo for a reason.

We know this team has a good PP.

Time to work on the PK so we can afford a couple of penalties....

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#59 Mike Krushelnyski
September 23 2013, 10:38AM
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Oh good, McIntyre will make a fine second line center.

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#60 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:39AM
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Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy! wrote:

The hypocrisy in this comment (and a few others) is ludicrous!

MacTavish said it a number of times - "functional tough guys" are hard to acquire. Perhaps that's why he threw $5M/year at Clarkson.

When your options are limited, you do what you can, not contend "conventional wisdom" with "conventional wisdom."

what are you talking about?

what's the hypocrisy?

Or, do you not recognize a difference between, say Lucic and SMac?

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#61 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 23 2013, 10:40AM
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For the odd time it'll happen, I think it would be justifiable to have Smack just jump the boards (go all Clarkson on them) when required for incidents such as this. When something happens, just do what needs to be done Steve. Jump over the boards. and the two weeks in Mexico during each suspension would just be a bonus.

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#62 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:40AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

We all have gaps in knowledge and blindsides... MacT has done a lot of things that make a lot of sense.

He's very smart and has done a really solid job in a limited time.

BUT... leaving the C depth this weak was a poor decision and looks to be the product of over-valuing the hangers on down the chart (seems he really over valued Miller, Acro and Acton)

AND... when your already weak C depth gets shattered to the bone, you think your biggest concern is finding a guy who will accomplish nothing and play maybe 30% of the games for 2-3 minutes a night... is just plain ridiculous.

It doesn't invalidate him, his work or his smarts.

It's a classic case of I said you're "acting like a x" rather than you "are an x"

No sarcasm here....that is a reasoned response....and a pretty good one to defend/make your point.....I can respect that even though I disagree with you....

Your criticism of C depth is fair....I would argue that as GM your options are limited by many factors that you and I....or at least I, have no view into.....negotiations, team roster road maps, insider knowledge of player attributes and short comings, etc.......being a reasonable man, I have reason to believe that Mac T thoroughly considered all the options available and did what it was practical to do. (it is also reasonable to question or debate his choices).

As for the need for short term solution to the "toughness quotient" ...I will respectfully disagree with you.....and while I, like many here, value the practice of questioning authority at every turn....in this specific case.....I really do put a higher value on the opinion and judgement of Craig MacTavish as to what is needed here and now than I do that of you or I.

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#63 Zamboni Driver
September 23 2013, 10:42AM
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@DSF

Thank god.

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#64 Truth
September 23 2013, 10:44AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

That's a frightening thought, isn't it?

How is it possible to quantify the amount of games Hall and Eberle would have missed if SMACK wasn't on the team?

Eberle surely wouldn't have rolled his ankle. Or maybe he would have done it twice!

The fact is Weise would have had to fight SMACK, not Mike Brown on Saturday. I think that would have ended differently. Hopefully differently enough that Kassian wouldn't be "losing his balance" and swinging his stick in the teeth region of Gagner. I will guarantee SMACK is on the ice for the first shift Kassian is next time, and that makes me happy. I can't imagine how Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Yak, RNH, Schultz, Nurse, Perron, etc. etc. feel about it, but I bet they like the idea.

Edit: sorry replied to wrong individual. Meant to be Romulus' Apotheosis re: missed games with or without SMACK in the lineup

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#65 oilfaninvic
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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I think a better resoonse is an accidental high stickor cross check to the beak of one of the twins or Kesler. Lex talionis. Screw Kassian! Oil have better chance to win when he is on the ice.

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#66 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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I have flip flopped on this issue a couple of times. Historically, I have thought the nuclear deterant was the way to go, but have since changed my mind. As has been pointed out, injuries were prevalent when Laroque and MacIntyre were parolling the ice, or more accurately the bench.

I do not want to discount Struds opinion as clearly he has been there and I haven't. But either way I think the whole lot of the Oilers need to play a greasier / pack mentality game. When LaBarbara got snowed there was nothing more than a friendly gathering. I think this is a mindset the Oilers as a team have to overcome. Perron is no tough guy but a couple of times he was at least trying to get involved in a scrum while other bigger Oilers meandered their way back to the bench. I need not mention he just left a team that has some of that nastiness EXPECTED when something untoward occurs to a teammate.

The Hamiltons, Actons, Ryan Jones et al are veteran players who are best bottom sixers who should at least try to respond to the crap that was going on. I saw nothing.

The "stars" Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak, Schultz Jr. etc should not be immune from face washing the odd guy or getting the odd stick up. I think Hall kneeing Clutterbuck was a good thing - sorry, I really do. Eberle in three years of pro has not figured out what it took Darnell Nurse three games to figure out. The Canucks were running and hitting Nurse late until he shoved the butt end if his stick in the mouth of the would be checker. You do that a couple of times - the message gets out.

Hockey is a great game - but it is not a nice game. Whether SMac is here or not, the sooner the Oilers figure that out the better.

I like SMac and his story, but the Oilers are now going to have to send down (or lose) a useful hockey player in the attempt to "protect" guys with a very large man sitting on the bench or in the press box for the bulk of the time he is here. With all respect, I can't see it working.

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#67 book¡e
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

No, its just $625,000

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#68 Rob...
September 23 2013, 10:46AM
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The only way the S'Mac pickup works is if the team and the player are willing to target talented players when retribution is required. In the past we've had situations where there was only buy-in from one, or none, of the two.

I'm not concerned about the roster spot. Most Oilers talent would be more than happy to pick up a few extra shifts on the 4th line, in addition to regular shiftwork.

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#69 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:47AM
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DSF wrote:

People who make those claims can't prove it...the same problem you face when you try and insist it had no value.

Ask the players...like Jason Strudwick... who outlined it's value in the above article.

Or perhaps you're insinuating he doesn't know what he's talking about.

You are consistently a very poor reader.

You say: "when you try and insist it had no value."

I said: "The psychological value I'm happy to acknowledge. People consistently claim it has value. I'm not going to quarrel with it."

Here's is the claim of real world empirical results, which can be observed and demonstrated to be true or false:

"Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with."

Except that when the Oiler had a very tough lineup, it didn't prevent a hits, cheapshots, injury, etc.

The people making this claim are making a very real claim. They need to acknowledge reality doesn't operate within the confines of their fantasy.

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#70 jake
September 23 2013, 10:47AM
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Getting injured in pre-season is brutal. Yes it is Jason. Why did Eakins dress his top six (sans RNH) against that Vancouver team? May not have changed the outcome, but it may have - with due respect to Martindale, Arcobello, Miller, I would rather have one of them out 6-8 weeks than 89. They were on the TC roster Saturday night.

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#71 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:48AM
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Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy! wrote:

Beautiful! Way to make a statement, MacT. Mr. Dithers would have pondered this for a while.

A knuckle dragger with a screw loose... now that's intimidation!

Too bad there aren't two of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hImezA0nbDU

Dithers actually did the exact same thing.

C depth collapses and he put a claim in on Volpatti and traded for Brown while Hall and Jussi J passed on waivers.

MacT is reading the wrong playbook today.

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#72 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 23 2013, 10:52AM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

The suspensions, as I read yesterday (searching for the link), will be effective during the regular season, and anyone suspended will also miss the rest of preseason until his suspension has been served.

How was the deck building?

Thanks for your reply Bomber. Good to know they'll start with games that count.

Deck is great now. Had some hurdles to overcome when I used dynamite to disassemble the old deck. Didn't care much for the color of the exterior anyways. Looking at it from a positive prospective, i created a new opening for a window (bonus I didn't count on) it was overdue and about time for a change. Just shingling the roof to the garden shed, and then i'm done.

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#73 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:53AM
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DSF wrote:

This is all patent nonsense.

The salary cap and the 50 man roster limit create a zero sum game.

The D depth is just swell but not as impressive when you consider the Oilers need TWO top pairing D not a battalion of tweeners.

That a NHL GM is willing to go into a new season with only 3 actual NHL centres while one of them is recovering from major surgery and then loses another one during pre-season is about as convincing an indictment as you'll ever get.

JIm Nill, in Dallas, recognized immediately that his team had poor centre depth and acquired 3 of them in ONE DAY.

That didn't prevent him from also acquiring an actual NHL top pairing defenseman in the same off season.

Call MacT's performance a blind spot if you like...I'll call it dumb.

This from a man who hailed the nucks signing Cam Barker last year for depth.

If we were up against the 50 man list, or the cap, you might have a point. The team can easily add a C without concern. Or trade/waive a scrub if it comes right down to it.

Top 2 D don't grow in trees. Acknowledge the conditions on the ground. In a short span of time, MacT reinvented the D corps and added competition for roster spots. In any serious analysis that is a good thing.

The C depth is a real blindspot, a huge mistake and gamble that has predictably blown up in MacT's face.

Only an incredibly petulant person would ignore the good for the bad, just as only an incredible sycophantic person would ignore the bad for the good.

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#74 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:58AM
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Truth wrote:

How is it possible to quantify the amount of games Hall and Eberle would have missed if SMACK wasn't on the team?

Eberle surely wouldn't have rolled his ankle. Or maybe he would have done it twice!

The fact is Weise would have had to fight SMACK, not Mike Brown on Saturday. I think that would have ended differently. Hopefully differently enough that Kassian wouldn't be "losing his balance" and swinging his stick in the teeth region of Gagner. I will guarantee SMACK is on the ice for the first shift Kassian is next time, and that makes me happy. I can't imagine how Gagner, Eberle, Hall, Yak, RNH, Schultz, Nurse, Perron, etc. etc. feel about it, but I bet they like the idea.

Edit: sorry replied to wrong individual. Meant to be Romulus' Apotheosis re: missed games with or without SMACK in the lineup

Go through every team Smac has played on... every time key players have still gotten injured.

He's just not good at hockey. That will hurt the team more than the opposition.

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#75 Truth
September 23 2013, 10:59AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Dithers actually did the exact same thing.

C depth collapses and he put a claim in on Volpatti and traded for Brown while Hall and Jussi J passed on waivers.

MacT is reading the wrong playbook today.

I think this would be a knock on MacT if Hall and Jussi J were on waivers today. They weren't, MacIntyre was. I have no doubts that MacT is searching for a stop gap C.

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#76 DSF
September 23 2013, 10:59AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

You are consistently a very poor reader.

You say: "when you try and insist it had no value."

I said: "The psychological value I'm happy to acknowledge. People consistently claim it has value. I'm not going to quarrel with it."

Here's is the claim of real world empirical results, which can be observed and demonstrated to be true or false:

"Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with."

Except that when the Oiler had a very tough lineup, it didn't prevent a hits, cheapshots, injury, etc.

The people making this claim are making a very real claim. They need to acknowledge reality doesn't operate within the confines of their fantasy.

You appear to be intentionally melding 2 very different claims in order to prove a point that you cannot prove.

Having a tougher lineup does not necessarily prevent cheap shots or injury but having players who will respond to that kind of behaviour does have an impact on the future.

When Taylor Hall went knee of knee against Clutterbuck and was suspended for two games, are you suggesting there was ZERO impact?

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#77 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 11:00AM
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Only way to prevent the cheap shots is to get rid of the instigator rule. A guy like Smac is useless unless he can hop over the boards and go pound on someone in retaliation. Essentially neutered.

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#78 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:03AM
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#79 Lochenzo
September 23 2013, 11:05AM
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Well, speak of the devil...Smackintyre!! There was an overall attitude by Vancouver on Saturday that wanted run the Oilers out of the building. This after embarrassing Vancouver at home the game before.

The rules combined with MacIntyre being too good at his job as an enforcer made it hard to get into fights as many opponents turned him down. I think Steve needs to decide for himself that sometimes taking the instigator penalty is ok. If Weise said no to a fight after his head shot on Hall, I'd drop the gloves anyway.

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#80 DSF
September 23 2013, 11:05AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

This from a man who hailed the nucks signing Cam Barker last year for depth.

If we were up against the 50 man list, or the cap, you might have a point. The team can easily add a C without concern. Or trade/waive a scrub if it comes right down to it.

Top 2 D don't grow in trees. Acknowledge the conditions on the ground. In a short span of time, MacT reinvented the D corps and added competition for roster spots. In any serious analysis that is a good thing.

The C depth is a real blindspot, a huge mistake and gamble that has predictably blown up in MacT's face.

Only an incredibly petulant person would ignore the good for the bad, just as only an incredible sycophantic person would ignore the bad for the good.

No one is disputing that having D depth is a good thing but given the organizational depth at the position adding Ference, Belov, Grebs, Larsen and Hunt while totalling ignoring C is not defensible.

Only an apogolist would call that a "blind spot".

It's dumb.

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#81 Wanye
September 23 2013, 11:05AM
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#82 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 11:07AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Only way to prevent the cheap shots is to get rid of the instigator rule. A guy like Smac is useless unless he can hop over the boards and go pound on someone in retaliation. Essentially neutered.

What if don't give a $hit about the instigator rule. Just pound away and serve the penalty?

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#83 OilFan J
September 23 2013, 11:09AM
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Signing SMac was a decision made in haste. How is Mac gonna intimidate and enforce from the bench. We've all seen him play and as I recall, he can't play at this level. Next question: Who's roster spot does he take ?

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#84 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 11:12AM
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OilFan J wrote:

Signing SMac was a decision made in haste. How is Mac gonna intimidate and enforce from the bench. We've all seen him play and as I recall, he can't play at this level. Next question: Who's roster spot does he take ?

He takes the fourth line centers roster spot. Then you double shift Hall as the fourth line center between Brown and Eager who hit everything in sight.

Smac comes out to play when needed. When someone has to bleed.

Easy huh?

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#85 He Who Knows
September 23 2013, 11:12AM
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I like MacT, he has a better grasp on things than the guy before him but for heaven sakes man, you need to address the toughness issue. The Oilers have been an easy team to play against since Laraque was not given a NTC. Then K-Lowe traded away Gator and that was it in terms of other teams having any sort of fear against the Oil. This team needs to ride and die together, show the opposition a nasty side. Gator, Chopper, Staios, Laraque, and the rest of the guys during those times were a close bunch and they kept other teams honest and even struck fear into them.

"I hate the Edmonton Oilers because they are a competitive team that find a way to get into the playoffs" -Adrian Aucoin

Yeah that was in the early 2000's. Those Oiler teams were a close family and went to war every night. They had Dougie Weight as the only star player and he was protected plus he had balls. Even after Weight left, the Oil were a handful. K-Lowe, Katz, that dithering bast*** and company miscalculated. Hopefully Ference can be like a Jason Smith and teach that locker room on how to play like a team and defend each other. Enough is Enough.

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#86 JJ
September 23 2013, 11:14AM
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Probably Mike Brown unless you want a line with 2 players who can't compete at this level..

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#87 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 11:15AM
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DSF wrote:

No one is disputing that having D depth is a good thing but given the organizational depth at the position adding Ference, Belov, Grebs, Larsen and Hunt while totalling ignoring C is not defensible.

Only an apogolist would call that a "blind spot".

It's dumb.

Learn how to read.

I said it was dumb. That's how this conversation started.

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#88 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 11:16AM
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The good news that results when SMac is on the bench - we should see some double shifting of Hall / Yak / etc on the 4th line. That can't be a bad thing.

EDIT: Oops. I see Spyder said the same thing about double shifting earlier (although I am pretty sure there is no chance SMAc / Eager and Brown are ALL on the 23 man roster)

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#89 Czar
September 23 2013, 11:17AM
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Just got my new nation T-shirt! Disappointed I didn't get the personalized note and self portrait you've included in the past but damn that's one nice shirt dude!Can we expect some new designs before Christmas?

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#90 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 11:18AM
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DSF wrote:

You appear to be intentionally melding 2 very different claims in order to prove a point that you cannot prove.

Having a tougher lineup does not necessarily prevent cheap shots or injury but having players who will respond to that kind of behaviour does have an impact on the future.

When Taylor Hall went knee of knee against Clutterbuck and was suspended for two games, are you suggesting there was ZERO impact?

I'm not melding anything.

I'm changeling claims made. People can't make a bunch of claims and then turtle when asked to confront reality.

If you want to leave it at some amorphous quality like the players "feel tougher" on the bench when SMac is around, fine.

When you claim having a player like SMac around leads to tangible results you have to confront the reality that this simply isn't the case.

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#91 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 11:20AM
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I think this would be a knock on MacT if Hall and Jussi J were on waivers today. They weren't, MacIntyre was. I have no doubts that MacT is searching for a stop gap C.

He should have been looking for a C from day one.

SMac is a bad pick up regardless of the situation.

There are options remaining for Cs... every second counts.

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#92 Rama Lama
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Ok people, just got off the phone with Mac T.........Steve Mac will be used differently this time.

You see in the past coaches would play him on a fourth line role and expect him to score. Enter Eakins and he will play him only against teams that have a history of running our guys. THe message will be simple, if the other team gets stupid......start running their skill players, forget fighting their heavyweights.

Problem solved.........you fight fire with fire.

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I believe the league needs to consider "Designated Suspensions". Regardless of WHICH team is affected by the actions, that same team should also have the opportunity to benefit from the suspension.

The affected team should get to choose the game(s) which the player has to sit out/take a roster spot. It gives leverage to the affected team so they can at least feel some justice is served, without some kind of "retribution" needing to take place on the ice.

Of course there would be terms and rules in place, but if we could have Zack Kassian take a roster spot, and have to sit out the next game or two against US, isn't that more effective than him sitting out against say San Jose and Chicago?

I think so.

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#94 **
September 23 2013, 11:22AM
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" I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player..". Oh the irony.

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#95 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
September 23 2013, 11:22AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

what are you talking about?

what's the hypocrisy?

Or, do you not recognize a difference between, say Lucic and SMac?

WHAT?? MACT COULD HAVE CLAIMED LUCIC BUT PICKED UP SMAC INSTEAD?? WHAT AN IDIOT!

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#96 JJ
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Why are people downvoting me for suggesting he'll compete with Brown for a spot.

If Brown took Eager's spot, why can't someone take Brown's spot? I don't think anyone in the bottom 6 should be a lock.

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Dude, he actually said the opposite of that: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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#98 Dan 1919
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When we see Macintyre, Eager, Brown, and Smid line up against the Sedin Sisters, we know it will be the ladies' last shifts played for a while.

After that the Canucks will surely see the light and remember how to keep their hockey sticks on the ice.

Yes, Yes, we all wanted Lucic instead of Macintyre in the perfect world of EA Sports hockey trading. It's time for you people criticizing this move to wake up and smell the roses of reality.

Great job Mac-T, that man is consistently putting his money where is mouth is, doing anything instead of nothing (aka the Tambi era)

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#99 Bob Cob
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I like the Mac signing, the only way it works though is if he is willing to play like Boogaurd did, run other teams players and not just look to fight the teams tough guys. Enforcers are only good if they are willing to take liberties at opportune times, this should open up room for Brown and Eager to run amuck and and stand a little taller.

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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

Dude, he actually said the opposite of that: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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