The Road Gets a Little Bumpier

Jason Strudwick
September 23 2013 09:33AM

Saturday night, in a preseason game against the Vancouver Canucks there was a stupid stick swinging incident involving the Canucks Zack Kassian. The result has really put a dent in the Oilers ability to have a strong start to this season.

Sam Gagner was hit by Kassian's stick in the mouth and by all reports he will miss a yet to be determined number of regular season games thanks to a broken jaw. The timing of this is very frustrating for any player.

All players work very hard in the summer to be fine tuned to get off to a good start. Hours in the gym and on the ice make sure they are ready to go. There is never a good time to be injured but I always felt that getting hurt in preseason was brutal.

The rest of the NHL continues right along and a player injured in exhibition is left behind. It is inevitable that Gagner will lose the fine edge he was worked on all summer. His level of conditioning will be challenged in two ways:

One, I would not expect a lot of training for him while the injury is acute. Two, his calorie and diet intake will be altered. After losing teeth and breaking your jaw would you feel like consuming the necessary calories to maintain your weight and energy levels?

I once took a puck to the mouth the morning after our team's rookie party (great times by the way). The dentist described the state of my mouth like this... "it looks like a grenade went off on your lips." Not what I wanted to hear, especially after a late night. A bunch of teeth were loose and I had to wear a brace across my top row of teeth. I lived on soup and protein shakes for a few weeks. Until I could eat whole foods again I was losing weight faster then Gregor was losing his hair at the age of eighteen.

This isn't good news for Gagner. In time he will get to the level he wants to be but it will not be right away. I know how competitive he is and the high expectations he puts on himself. The longer his down time, the longer it will take for him to get back to playing at his self imposed high level.

For the Oilers, the Gagner injury will leave them without their top two centers to start the season. Due to the Olympic break the Oilers have a full month of games in October. Wins will be harder to come by without both Gagner and Nuge. Take the top two centers off any team and that team will struggle.

As for Zach Kassian this was a very stupid play. I honestly don't understand how his stick could end up hitting Gagner in the face. I feel that a player is always responsible for his stick. Always. I do not think it was by accident that it flew up and hit Gagner in the face. It was on or near the ice and then flies up? Makes no sense to me.

The Consequences

Kassian will probably be suspended. If I am the Oilers why do I care about that? It doesn't bring back Gagner any sooner. One, two, 5, 10 games...doesn't make a difference. Even for the Canucks, at this stage in Kassian's development their team will move on without him.

I think the issue is with the lack of overall toughness in the Oilers lineup. Players like Kassian have no fear in playing the Oilers extra tough. Who outside of Mike Brown can stand up to a guy like Kassian or Andrew Alberts? Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with.

I know Edmonton got a lot of power plays against the Canucks Saturday. The plan is to score on those PP attempts frequently enough that the opponent will have to tone down the physical play. I get that, but at some point doesn't the team need to have the ability to stand up for itself?

When is enough enough? And when they get to that point who will be the guy to do it? I really like Brown as a player, he played very well saturday, but it is unfair to ask one undersized guy to fight the whole team's battles. I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player, just bring in someone who can play and step up when needed.

Last summer the Canadians signed Brandon Prust to a nice contract. He plays hard and fought most of the team's battles when needed. He did a good job but it is a lonely job if you are the only one doing it and you are undersized. Marc Bergevin saw the need to get him some help. This off season he brought in George Parros to take the pressure off Prust. I guarantee all the Habs are walking taller this season.

I don't care if Kassian gets suspended for one or ten games. I do care how the Oilers respond when they play him again. It is important for the team to not brush this over like nothing happened or it was an accident. The Oiler team can make a statement to not only the Canucks but all the teams in the league with some kind of a response.

Will someone stand up and say enough is enough?

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Jason hosts the Jason Strudwick show from 9pm to 12am, weeknights on the team 1260. He is an instructor at Mount Carmel Hockey Academy and loves working with the kids. Having played over 650 games in the NHL, Jason has some great stories and unique takes on life in the NHL. He loves Slurpees and Blizzards. Dislikes baggy clothes and close talkers.
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#151 Manfly
September 23 2013, 09:33AM
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the problem is, Jason, that the Oilers can't really as a team respond physically...they just aren't tough enough as a team to do it. so if, for now, the Oilers can continue to make the Canucks pay on the scoreboard, then i'm cool with that. who won the last 2 meetings again between the Canucks and Oilers, including the game on Saturday when the Canucks dressed all their goons and big guys....the Oilers!! let's hope they can continue to do so in the regular season as well!

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#152 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:08AM
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Rotten Ron wrote:

That was one hit. Watch any other team in the league and let me know when you see anyone else get pushed around for 60 minutes in their own building like we seen saturday. You think playing a bunch of push overs doesnt give other teams a huge boost of confidence and affect their play positively?

People who have played the game know that you're right Ron.

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#153 Rama Lama
September 23 2013, 10:09AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

"I think the issue is with the lack of overall toughness in the Oilers lineup. Players like Kassian have no fear in playing the Oilers extra tough. Who outside of Mike Brown can stand up to a guy like Kassian or Andrew Alberts? Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with."

I honestly understand the sentiment here. It's a conventional wisdom that's worn more than a few tires down past all-weather conditions.

But, it is complete nonsense. All one need do is watch hockey to understand that the crippling injuries suffered by freak accident or horrible goonery have nothing to do with whether the offending team/player concerns themselves/himself with the tough guys opposite.

Smac prevented nothing when he was here.

As someone at LT's mentioned: Chara, Lucic and Thornton... not one of them prevented Savard's injury.

This never works.

By all means acquire an actual hockey player who can play with an edge. By all means.

But don't delude yourself into thinking this will prevent injury or goonery. This is simply wishful thinking.

Hey Mr. Know it All.........since you know everything about hockey how about how about asking the players how they feel about having some deterrence?

I suspect all of them would endorse having Steve Mac back!

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#154 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:18AM
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Rob... wrote:

So Kassian gets between 5 and 10 games from Shanaban. The best thing to come out of this is that the amoral goon now has to consider the length of his NEXT suspension every time he thinks about doing something stupid. That will be more of a deterrent than the Oilers bringing in a legit enforcer.

I agree with you Rob about the next suspension being a deterrent ....

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#155 JJ
September 23 2013, 10:20AM
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Dumb move, but I guess this means Brown is redundant now?

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#156 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 23 2013, 10:31AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

That's a frightening thought, isn't it?

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#157 DSF
September 23 2013, 10:35AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

No.

The 1m was how long the tweet had been posted.

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#158 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 11:18AM
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DSF wrote:

You appear to be intentionally melding 2 very different claims in order to prove a point that you cannot prove.

Having a tougher lineup does not necessarily prevent cheap shots or injury but having players who will respond to that kind of behaviour does have an impact on the future.

When Taylor Hall went knee of knee against Clutterbuck and was suspended for two games, are you suggesting there was ZERO impact?

I'm not melding anything.

I'm changeling claims made. People can't make a bunch of claims and then turtle when asked to confront reality.

If you want to leave it at some amorphous quality like the players "feel tougher" on the bench when SMac is around, fine.

When you claim having a player like SMac around leads to tangible results you have to confront the reality that this simply isn't the case.

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#159 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:42AM
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@Cold Hard Truth

There's truth, and then there's the cold hard truth

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#160 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 11:43AM
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** wrote:

why is Dave Steckel not on an oilers jersey yet?

Because Dave Steckel would become(with the exception of Steve MacIntyre) the slowest skater on the Oilers roster. And remember that is a roster that includes Ryan Smyth.

Sorry Smytty.

Edit: Man I am slow in coming out with an original thought today. Better up my caffeine intake. "Truth" speaks the truth.

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#161 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 11:49AM
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Oh and it was reported today that Morrow was courted by many teams. He chose to go to St.Louis. He didn't want to come here.

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#162 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 23 2013, 11:54AM
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DSF wrote:

Dan Murphy ‏@sportsnetmurph 5m

Kassian on #oilers picking up MacIntyre as a deterrent, "Perfect. I don't think he can skate, that's the last thing on our mind."

KASSIAN WILL BE THINKING TWICE BEFORE TRYING THAT SHIZ AGAIN

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#163 JJ
September 23 2013, 12:02PM
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Lines for tonight:

Omark - Gordon - Yakupov

Joensuu - Arcobello - Pitlick

Jones - Lander - Hamilton

Eager - Acton - Brown

Excellent. The swedish sensation is in tonight. One of his last chances to prove everyone wrong.

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#164 Smokey
September 23 2013, 12:02PM
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wazy08 wrote:

Where is Jody Shelley? Literally dress him for 30 games this season with the understanding that if someone gets looked at funny he knows his role. If someone pulls a Kassian on Gagner, that not only is Kassian responsible but perhaps the Sedins or Kesler are also held accountable for Kassian/Weises actions. The Oilers need to rock a Brown/Shelley type of players in their lineup. Tired of a soft team thats gonna keep having players injured because they dont stand up for themselves. I agree 100% with you Strudwick. PP's are nice, but what are you gonna do when your star PP players are all on LTR.

These types of arguments born outta watching Semenko in the 80's and the broad street bullies doesn't mean a nuclear detterant work today. It works only when a player can play actual shift with your skill lines. Guys like Bob Probert, Semenko, Chris Simon could actually play regular shifts. MacIntire, Hordichuk, Shelley play 3-6 minutes a night on a fourth line and are lucky to make it on the ice usually against other fourth liners.

A Brandon Prust or Hartnell are examples of guys who can play. There have gotten to be too few Darcy Tucker types who can play with skill and drop mitts with middling heavies. The Clutterbuck's and Cooke's don't ever fight the Big Mac's and would turtle in a millisecond. They know when the Boogeyman or Shelley's come over the boards and it never deters the cheep shots.

The instigator got rid of the effective Nuclear Deterrent. Steve Mac was useless cause he rarely could ever get to the cheep shot artists and was generally ineffective at playing eye for an eye. The Boogeyman was one example of a knuckle dragger who did not have the skill in most Senior Men's Leagues that was effective. The Boogeyman could skate enough to run ya, and chop ya, or knee ya. To me he was the one Nuclear deterrent that could deter cause he did not care who he went after, and was arswhole when he did. However Lemaire was smart enough to get him shifts on top lines from time to time, and the team was so sound defensively that he could run guys without costing the team the other way.

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#165 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:23PM
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David S wrote:

I'm just as p!ssed as everybody (who's sane) about MacT adding a useless facepuncher to the roster.

But you have to remember we have essentially ZERO cap space so SMac was the only realistic "grit" option as he only costs $625K. All you guys lobbying for an actual NHL'er who is tough as nails and can play need to think about how much that guy will cost - if he even wanted to come here or some team would be dumb enough to give up a guy like that.

David....can you hold my coat for a minute.....

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#166 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:51PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I'm not sure why anyone ought to be disrespectful.

If you disagree with me tell me why. If you are tired of the conversation, feel free to ignore it.

Look Rom....just go listen to the MacT press conference...and if you still don't get it ...that's ok....just at some point give it a rest.

I'm not trying to muzzle you..or assault your freedom of speech.....but I think you've made you're point....can you not just acknowledge that others have differing opinions....and move on?

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#167 Eastern Oil
September 23 2013, 12:58PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Give it a rest. Explain why you disagree with Rom's position instead of resorting to playground antics.

All I hear in the lower levels of discourse is cliches and catch words. Whether you disagree with either of their positions or not, at least they are having a decent discussion about it.

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#168 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 01:07PM
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Eastern Oil wrote:

@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Give it a rest. Explain why you disagree with Rom's position instead of resorting to playground antics.

All I hear in the lower levels of discourse is cliches and catch words. Whether you disagree with either of their positions or not, at least they are having a decent discussion about it.

That's my point EO.....I've explained in one or two posts how I respectfully disagree with his opinion....as have 20 other people.......but rambling on hammering the same point over and over again just because others disagree with you is not a higher level of discourse....

But good for you if you enjoy it.....I mean that sincerely.....understanding that there are those who like it....I will leave it alone.....

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#169 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 01:09PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Look Rom....just go listen to the MacT press conference...and if you still don't get it ...that's ok....just at some point give it a rest.

I'm not trying to muzzle you..or assault your freedom of speech.....but I think you've made you're point....can you not just acknowledge that others have differing opinions....and move on?

I think he made a big blunder.

I think that is a valid opinion.

I'm happy to concede people of good faith can hold divergent opinions. I think the best way to do so is to take those opinions seriously and challenge them where you disagree.

That doesn't mean you hold that person in contempt, or disrespect. It means you take them seriously, listen and try to learn.

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#170 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 01:13PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think he made a big blunder.

I think that is a valid opinion.

I'm happy to concede people of good faith can hold divergent opinions. I think the best way to do so is to take those opinions seriously and challenge them where you disagree.

That doesn't mean you hold that person in contempt, or disrespect. It means you take them seriously, listen and try to learn.

I agree...how can anyone not agree with that.....I guess my point is I don't think, on this one, that you're practicing what you preach.

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#171 Eastern Oil
September 23 2013, 01:37PM
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@ Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Well said, and I apologize if I came on too strong. I tried to read through some of the comments and if I missed your explanation that's my fault.

As always, with issues like fighting/truculence, the conversation seems to race to the lowest common denominator. Although I do not mind adding toughness to our lineup, I would have preferred someone with QUITE a bit more ability and/or a real NHL centre.

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#172 Gkpoil
September 23 2013, 03:43PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

So who is going to retaliate when he is serving 10-20 game suspensions?

Hopefully someone else steps up. Once the precedent is set, other teams will think twice. Coaches will not give their goons the green light to go after our stars if they know that Eakins will allow one of his players to seek retribution.

The oil had to do something and Smack is the best/ most viable option we have right now.

If he doesn't pan out, put him on waivers.

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#173 pkam
September 23 2013, 05:45PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

Yeah a civil hockey fight. That's broken up as soon as you hit the ice.

I am not talking the one handed wild swing Kassian made.I am talking a two handed baseball style smash. Delivered by a pro athlete.

If a fight followed, or not, a message would be sent don't f@(k around.

If I swing the stick or a dirty hit on your player, do I not expect some kind of retaliation?

I don't know about Kassian, but if I cheapshot somebody, I am well prepared for some kind of retaliation.

I am not against retaliation, but you have to it smart too, like what Keith did to Daniel Sedin. You take a penalty or suspension, but make sure you get your job done and don't put yourself in more harm.

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#174 Reach Advantage
September 23 2013, 05:56PM
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Does having MacIntyre dressed deter Kassian from doing what he did?

I have no idea if it does at the NHL level. At my level it would have, I think. Would it Jason?

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#175 Reach Advantage
September 23 2013, 06:05PM
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I don't think fear of a fair fight deters too many from doing something dirty. I think what deters someone from doing something dirty, is fear that it is highly likely that they themselves will receive an action that is intended to injure them. They will be forced to evaluate weighing going thru with their intended cheap shot with: a)potential pain of injury b)potential rehab c)potential injury that reduces their ability to play the game at the level they currently do d)potential loss of income due to (c) e)potential loss of career

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#176 GVBlackhawk
September 23 2013, 06:25PM
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Reach Advantage wrote:

You gain this very valuable thing:

Kassian doesn't do what he did again.

Also, other teams see what happened and they don't do what Kassian did.

Very valuable.

That is far from the truth.

It is the same reason why the death penalty is not a deterrent for people to commit murders. People do dumb things in the heat of the moment and have no thought for the consequences.

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#177 Shaun Doe
September 23 2013, 06:55PM
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Hey Struds, was hoping you might have some insight into my question. I was was wondering what sort of conversation, if any, Dave Gagner might have had with Kassian after the game. I know Sam's a big boy and not Canucks property as far as he is concerned professionally, but as a dad he must have been just a bit shook up/pissed by what happened to his boy. Have you ever experienced anything along these lines or heard of any thing like it? Thanks in advance

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#178 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 23 2013, 11:45PM
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@Shaun Doe

Dave Gagner has nothing to do with the Canucks. He doesn't work for them. Gagner sr. works for the Orr management group.

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#179 StHenriOilBomb
September 23 2013, 09:53AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Who are we to tell Six rings Lowe how to build a "winner" when it comes to building a successfull hockey club?

Just shut up and make sure your ticket payments go through when due. Shut the puck up you bunch of whiners. We're already getting much more than we deserve for our money. Know your role, ya bunch of sheep.

All the suspensions that'll be handed out in the coming days. Are these reg season games, or irrelevant pre season games/both?

The suspensions, as I read yesterday (searching for the link), will be effective during the regular season, and anyone suspended will also miss the rest of preseason until his suspension has been served.

How was the deck building?

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#180 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:12AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Hey Mr. Know it All.........since you know everything about hockey how about how about asking the players how they feel about having some deterrence?

I suspect all of them would endorse having Steve Mac back!

The psychological value I'm happy to acknowledge. People consistently claim it has value. I'm not going to quarrel with it.

BUT... the actual empirical claims made have never yielded results.

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#181 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
September 23 2013, 10:30AM
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DSF wrote:

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 1m Oil claim Mcintyre

Beautiful! Way to make a statement, MacT. Mr. Dithers would have pondered this for a while.

A knuckle dragger with a screw loose... now that's intimidation!

Too bad there aren't two of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hImezA0nbDU

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#182 Zamboni Driver
September 23 2013, 10:34AM
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@DSF

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

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#183 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:39AM
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Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy! wrote:

The hypocrisy in this comment (and a few others) is ludicrous!

MacTavish said it a number of times - "functional tough guys" are hard to acquire. Perhaps that's why he threw $5M/year at Clarkson.

When your options are limited, you do what you can, not contend "conventional wisdom" with "conventional wisdom."

what are you talking about?

what's the hypocrisy?

Or, do you not recognize a difference between, say Lucic and SMac?

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#184 Rob...
September 23 2013, 10:46AM
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The only way the S'Mac pickup works is if the team and the player are willing to target talented players when retribution is required. In the past we've had situations where there was only buy-in from one, or none, of the two.

I'm not concerned about the roster spot. Most Oilers talent would be more than happy to pick up a few extra shifts on the 4th line, in addition to regular shiftwork.

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#185 jake
September 23 2013, 10:47AM
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Getting injured in pre-season is brutal. Yes it is Jason. Why did Eakins dress his top six (sans RNH) against that Vancouver team? May not have changed the outcome, but it may have - with due respect to Martindale, Arcobello, Miller, I would rather have one of them out 6-8 weeks than 89. They were on the TC roster Saturday night.

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#186 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 23 2013, 10:52AM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

The suspensions, as I read yesterday (searching for the link), will be effective during the regular season, and anyone suspended will also miss the rest of preseason until his suspension has been served.

How was the deck building?

Thanks for your reply Bomber. Good to know they'll start with games that count.

Deck is great now. Had some hurdles to overcome when I used dynamite to disassemble the old deck. Didn't care much for the color of the exterior anyways. Looking at it from a positive prospective, i created a new opening for a window (bonus I didn't count on) it was overdue and about time for a change. Just shingling the roof to the garden shed, and then i'm done.

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#187 JJ
September 23 2013, 11:14AM
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@OilFan J

Probably Mike Brown unless you want a line with 2 players who can't compete at this level..

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#188 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 11:20AM
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Truth wrote:

I think this would be a knock on MacT if Hall and Jussi J were on waivers today. They weren't, MacIntyre was. I have no doubts that MacT is searching for a stop gap C.

He should have been looking for a C from day one.

SMac is a bad pick up regardless of the situation.

There are options remaining for Cs... every second counts.

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#189 **
September 23 2013, 11:24AM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Dude, he actually said the opposite of that: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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#190 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:18PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

John Shannon made the statement on Oilers Now a while ago that David Steckle has easily the lowest hockey IQ of any one in the league, this probably why NO ONE has signed him.

SARCASM ALERT.......

But Rod........that can't be true.....it can't be true because you can't measure it.

Non Sarcasm......it's a good example of the types of things that GMs know that we may not......

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#191 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 01:49PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think this gets to the heart of the matter for a lot of the side conversations here.

I love hockey. I love a good tilt. I love a good hit. I love the odd Messier elbow.

But I love hockey.

I don't love goon shows. I don't love players who can't do anything but hit meat.

I also don't think these kind of players help you win games. Which, is the object of hockey.

Do you love uncontested sticks to the face and broken jaws?

Do you think penalties, strong power plays and suspensions are deterring this type of action in the game?

Clearly the evidence of Saturday night proves that they aren't.

What is the option here if you cannot simply go out and pick up a Colton Orr, Steve Ott?

At least there is an effort to do something!

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#192 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 01:58PM
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Eastern Oil wrote:

@ Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Well said, and I apologize if I came on too strong. I tried to read through some of the comments and if I missed your explanation that's my fault.

As always, with issues like fighting/truculence, the conversation seems to race to the lowest common denominator. Although I do not mind adding toughness to our lineup, I would have preferred someone with QUITE a bit more ability and/or a real NHL centre.

Agree, just call up Mac T and let him know where those guys are.

This is a stop gap move until that player comes available.

Easy for us fans to armchair GM and say what this team needs, much more difficult to make it happen in reality unless you are Jim Nill of course. (That one is for you DSF)

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#193 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 03:39PM
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Eastern Oil wrote:

@ Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Well said, and I apologize if I came on too strong. I tried to read through some of the comments and if I missed your explanation that's my fault.

As always, with issues like fighting/truculence, the conversation seems to race to the lowest common denominator. Although I do not mind adding toughness to our lineup, I would have preferred someone with QUITE a bit more ability and/or a real NHL centre.

No worries....I appreciate the clarification......and I agree completely with your comment.....funny thing is.....as much as I like fighting in the game....I care a lot more about winning a Stanley Cup....and having a dedicated enforcer is not the way to go in the long run.........but IMO these things don't occur in a vacuum...it's really dependant on the make up of the team at any given point......for right now MacT is doing what has to be done....I hope and suspect that in Sept 2014 we won't need MacIntyre.

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#194 michael
September 23 2013, 04:01PM
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DSF wrote:

"Freak accidents and horrible goonery are remarkably ignorant of deterrents."

On that we can agree.

But the failure to respond to physical play has consequences that you cannot and will not ever be able to measure.

And yet you are still trying to use your high school logic classes to refute the knowledge of those with far more insight into the issue at hand.

Eakins has said he wants all of his players to be physical. Yup. Read Finish your checks. Not do a Hall and pick a fight with a nothing player from Columbus and wind up on the IR. Yeah we expect Gagner to drop em with Kassian. Or some other HULK who decides to crack open our skulls like a coconut. Why? Because we ain't gonna do squat about it.

Everybody remembers Messier as an elite player. They forget he had like 30 fights in his first 2 years. He punched his way to respectability.

You all think that is going to happen now? Not a chance. So what is the bitching about getting Smack? As long as teams continue to employ thugs and frankly use intimidation we'll need guys like Smack. Brown is willing but does not put the fear into other teams like a guy like Smack.

He can't skate. He can't score. He can't. Well for once I agree with DSF and I feel that the intangibles that Smack brings onto the ice and off the ice outweigh and override any argument against his role on this team as an enforcer.

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#195 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 04:13PM
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pkam wrote:

If Gagner try to do that, what do you think will happen? I bet it will end up with a fight, wouldn't it?

What is the chance Gagner win a fight with a guy about 3" taller and 20 lbs heavier, not to mention he has a broker jaw? And what do you think Kassian will target if they really get into a fight? Oh right, he is such a gentleman that he will stay away from Gagner's jaw because he knows his jaw is probably broken with all the teeth on the ice.

Remember what Chara target Crosby when they tangled up in front of the net in the last playoff series?

Yeah a civil hockey fight. That's broken up as soon as you hit the ice.

I am not talking the one handed wild swing Kassian made.I am talking a two handed baseball style smash. Delivered by a pro athlete.

If a fight followed, or not, a message would be sent don't f@(k around.

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#196 michael
September 23 2013, 05:57PM
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Kassian gets 5 games and he starts talking smack before Smack is even on the plane out of Pittsburgh. You don't think Smack is on the plane on his Twitter account and seeing that and thinking to him self. Which ant should I squash first. NHL does like predetermined fights. Really? The first game that the Oilers vs Nucks play where they are both in the lineup is going to watched as closely as Battle of the Blades when Struds is on.

Adding a cannon to a gun fight puts the odds of us winning the gunfight more so in our favor.

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#197 The Real Scuba Steve
September 23 2013, 06:24PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

By unbecoming.....I mean weak.....your comments are normally well thought out and interesting.....I think you you know what I mean ...so ill let it go.....ill move on..

LOL This great entertainment!! you guys are a riot LOL

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#198 Thumby
September 23 2013, 07:09PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

You want a deterent. Gagner should get up and two hand crank Kassian in the throat. Yeah Gagner gets suspended. He'd be off injured anyway. But now he gets space. Now he gets left alone.

Or Eakins tells one of the tryouts to run the goalie in the next shift. "Chicken wing elbow as you cross the crease. "

Having a goon on the bench isn't a deterrent, having a couple players who will end your career is.

Did anyone see some of this in Nurse's game? I did...why oh why wasn't he drafted 4 years ago...

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#200 Randall Shermer
September 23 2013, 08:57PM
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The Oilers need to go out and get one or more of the best enforcers in the league, even if they have to give up a little skill to get him. Target the enforcers on the top 6 winning teams of last years' playoffs: Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Detroit, and Ottawa.

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