The Road Gets a Little Bumpier

Jason Strudwick
September 23 2013 09:33AM

Saturday night, in a preseason game against the Vancouver Canucks there was a stupid stick swinging incident involving the Canucks Zack Kassian. The result has really put a dent in the Oilers ability to have a strong start to this season.

Sam Gagner was hit by Kassian's stick in the mouth and by all reports he will miss a yet to be determined number of regular season games thanks to a broken jaw. The timing of this is very frustrating for any player.

All players work very hard in the summer to be fine tuned to get off to a good start. Hours in the gym and on the ice make sure they are ready to go. There is never a good time to be injured but I always felt that getting hurt in preseason was brutal.

The rest of the NHL continues right along and a player injured in exhibition is left behind. It is inevitable that Gagner will lose the fine edge he was worked on all summer. His level of conditioning will be challenged in two ways:

One, I would not expect a lot of training for him while the injury is acute. Two, his calorie and diet intake will be altered. After losing teeth and breaking your jaw would you feel like consuming the necessary calories to maintain your weight and energy levels?

I once took a puck to the mouth the morning after our team's rookie party (great times by the way). The dentist described the state of my mouth like this... "it looks like a grenade went off on your lips." Not what I wanted to hear, especially after a late night. A bunch of teeth were loose and I had to wear a brace across my top row of teeth. I lived on soup and protein shakes for a few weeks. Until I could eat whole foods again I was losing weight faster then Gregor was losing his hair at the age of eighteen.

This isn't good news for Gagner. In time he will get to the level he wants to be but it will not be right away. I know how competitive he is and the high expectations he puts on himself. The longer his down time, the longer it will take for him to get back to playing at his self imposed high level.

For the Oilers, the Gagner injury will leave them without their top two centers to start the season. Due to the Olympic break the Oilers have a full month of games in October. Wins will be harder to come by without both Gagner and Nuge. Take the top two centers off any team and that team will struggle.

As for Zach Kassian this was a very stupid play. I honestly don't understand how his stick could end up hitting Gagner in the face. I feel that a player is always responsible for his stick. Always. I do not think it was by accident that it flew up and hit Gagner in the face. It was on or near the ice and then flies up? Makes no sense to me.

The Consequences

Kassian will probably be suspended. If I am the Oilers why do I care about that? It doesn't bring back Gagner any sooner. One, two, 5, 10 games...doesn't make a difference. Even for the Canucks, at this stage in Kassian's development their team will move on without him.

I think the issue is with the lack of overall toughness in the Oilers lineup. Players like Kassian have no fear in playing the Oilers extra tough. Who outside of Mike Brown can stand up to a guy like Kassian or Andrew Alberts? Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with.

I know Edmonton got a lot of power plays against the Canucks Saturday. The plan is to score on those PP attempts frequently enough that the opponent will have to tone down the physical play. I get that, but at some point doesn't the team need to have the ability to stand up for itself?

When is enough enough? And when they get to that point who will be the guy to do it? I really like Brown as a player, he played very well saturday, but it is unfair to ask one undersized guy to fight the whole team's battles. I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player, just bring in someone who can play and step up when needed.

Last summer the Canadians signed Brandon Prust to a nice contract. He plays hard and fought most of the team's battles when needed. He did a good job but it is a lonely job if you are the only one doing it and you are undersized. Marc Bergevin saw the need to get him some help. This off season he brought in George Parros to take the pressure off Prust. I guarantee all the Habs are walking taller this season.

I don't care if Kassian gets suspended for one or ten games. I do care how the Oilers respond when they play him again. It is important for the team to not brush this over like nothing happened or it was an accident. The Oiler team can make a statement to not only the Canucks but all the teams in the league with some kind of a response.

Will someone stand up and say enough is enough?

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#101 Mike Krushelnyski
September 23 2013, 10:38AM
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Oh good, McIntyre will make a fine second line center.

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#102 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:47AM
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DSF wrote:

People who make those claims can't prove it...the same problem you face when you try and insist it had no value.

Ask the players...like Jason Strudwick... who outlined it's value in the above article.

Or perhaps you're insinuating he doesn't know what he's talking about.

You are consistently a very poor reader.

You say: "when you try and insist it had no value."

I said: "The psychological value I'm happy to acknowledge. People consistently claim it has value. I'm not going to quarrel with it."

Here's is the claim of real world empirical results, which can be observed and demonstrated to be true or false:

"Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with."

Except that when the Oiler had a very tough lineup, it didn't prevent a hits, cheapshots, injury, etc.

The people making this claim are making a very real claim. They need to acknowledge reality doesn't operate within the confines of their fantasy.

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#103 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 10:53AM
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DSF wrote:

This is all patent nonsense.

The salary cap and the 50 man roster limit create a zero sum game.

The D depth is just swell but not as impressive when you consider the Oilers need TWO top pairing D not a battalion of tweeners.

That a NHL GM is willing to go into a new season with only 3 actual NHL centres while one of them is recovering from major surgery and then loses another one during pre-season is about as convincing an indictment as you'll ever get.

JIm Nill, in Dallas, recognized immediately that his team had poor centre depth and acquired 3 of them in ONE DAY.

That didn't prevent him from also acquiring an actual NHL top pairing defenseman in the same off season.

Call MacT's performance a blind spot if you like...I'll call it dumb.

This from a man who hailed the nucks signing Cam Barker last year for depth.

If we were up against the 50 man list, or the cap, you might have a point. The team can easily add a C without concern. Or trade/waive a scrub if it comes right down to it.

Top 2 D don't grow in trees. Acknowledge the conditions on the ground. In a short span of time, MacT reinvented the D corps and added competition for roster spots. In any serious analysis that is a good thing.

The C depth is a real blindspot, a huge mistake and gamble that has predictably blown up in MacT's face.

Only an incredibly petulant person would ignore the good for the bad, just as only an incredible sycophantic person would ignore the bad for the good.

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#104 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 11:12AM
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OilFan J wrote:

Signing SMac was a decision made in haste. How is Mac gonna intimidate and enforce from the bench. We've all seen him play and as I recall, he can't play at this level. Next question: Who's roster spot does he take ?

He takes the fourth line centers roster spot. Then you double shift Hall as the fourth line center between Brown and Eager who hit everything in sight.

Smac comes out to play when needed. When someone has to bleed.

Easy huh?

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#105 He Who Knows
September 23 2013, 11:12AM
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I like MacT, he has a better grasp on things than the guy before him but for heaven sakes man, you need to address the toughness issue. The Oilers have been an easy team to play against since Laraque was not given a NTC. Then K-Lowe traded away Gator and that was it in terms of other teams having any sort of fear against the Oil. This team needs to ride and die together, show the opposition a nasty side. Gator, Chopper, Staios, Laraque, and the rest of the guys during those times were a close bunch and they kept other teams honest and even struck fear into them.

"I hate the Edmonton Oilers because they are a competitive team that find a way to get into the playoffs" -Adrian Aucoin

Yeah that was in the early 2000's. Those Oiler teams were a close family and went to war every night. They had Dougie Weight as the only star player and he was protected plus he had balls. Even after Weight left, the Oil were a handful. K-Lowe, Katz, that dithering bast*** and company miscalculated. Hopefully Ference can be like a Jason Smith and teach that locker room on how to play like a team and defend each other. Enough is Enough.

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#106 Czar
September 23 2013, 11:17AM
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@Wanye

Just got my new nation T-shirt! Disappointed I didn't get the personalized note and self portrait you've included in the past but damn that's one nice shirt dude!Can we expect some new designs before Christmas?

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#107 **
September 23 2013, 11:31AM
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why is Dave Steckel not on an oilers jersey yet?

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#108 JJ
September 23 2013, 11:34AM
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DSF wrote:

When did I advocate for SMac?

The guy can't play hockey. At all.

Another dumb move by MacT in my opinion.

Setting that up as your straw man is not all that helpful.

Other more enlightened GM's have, instead placed an emphasis on team toughness and have been acquiring big, tough players who can play.

Despite what happened last night, the Leafs acquisition of David Clarkson is an excellent example of that.

MacT also apparently recognized Clarkson's value when trying to sign him in the offseason, but he failed and didn't produce an alternative while many existed in a the marketplace.

For example, Brendan Morrow signed with the Blues today for $1.5M.

Who do you think would add more value to the Oilers lineup this season...Morrow or Grebs, Larsen, Belov or Potter?

Your first DSF fallacy is assuming Morrow would sign with the Oil. Pretty sure he wanted to play for a 'cup contender' (Hence the Blues).

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#109 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 11:47AM
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DSF wrote:

No one is disputing that having D depth is a good thing but given the organizational depth at the position adding Ference, Belov, Grebs, Larsen and Hunt while totalling ignoring C is not defensible.

Only an apogolist would call that a "blind spot".

It's dumb.

I often try to back up your point of view here as I think you generally provide a reasonable alternative perspective.

In this case you and several others continue to speak to Mac T's lack of addressing center depth as being "dumb".

Do you honestly believe that Mac T does not recognize the lack of depth especially after seeing what happened last year with injuries?

I don't care what Jim Nill did. It takes 2 to tango. I assume there were no trade partners and/or players did not want to come here. I.E Clarkson even after offered the big money.

I really do not think that a GM with Mac T's background would just "overlook" this item.

I suspect that plan B was to see what we had in the system after no other options were available with the intent of seeing what was available after teams finalized their rosters, or closer to the deadline.

You cannot turn over half of your roster in one summer anyways. No GM could.

Top flight physical, gritty centers and 1-2 D men do not grow on trees.

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#110 CaptainLander
September 23 2013, 12:23PM
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@Michael

McSorley was good for jumping in but also dirty enough for "eye for an eye". SMAC will never catch anyone but a similar player to himself. Pointless, unless players in the room just wan him there. The league is the only one that can really protect it's stars. A guy like Wiess will never care about hurting a star playing or whether he gets punch in the face a couple time for doing so. But for him it is a catch 22, if he doesn't headhunt he has no job. Until the league gets rid of this player al together how can you blame him for just doing his job. As for a solution? (maybe suspend the teams top point getter for the length of the suspension given to the goon)

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#111 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:23PM
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David S wrote:

I'm just as p!ssed as everybody (who's sane) about MacT adding a useless facepuncher to the roster.

But you have to remember we have essentially ZERO cap space so SMac was the only realistic "grit" option as he only costs $625K. All you guys lobbying for an actual NHL'er who is tough as nails and can play need to think about how much that guy will cost - if he even wanted to come here or some team would be dumb enough to give up a guy like that.

David....can you hold my coat for a minute.....

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#112 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 01:49PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think this gets to the heart of the matter for a lot of the side conversations here.

I love hockey. I love a good tilt. I love a good hit. I love the odd Messier elbow.

But I love hockey.

I don't love goon shows. I don't love players who can't do anything but hit meat.

I also don't think these kind of players help you win games. Which, is the object of hockey.

Do you love uncontested sticks to the face and broken jaws?

Do you think penalties, strong power plays and suspensions are deterring this type of action in the game?

Clearly the evidence of Saturday night proves that they aren't.

What is the option here if you cannot simply go out and pick up a Colton Orr, Steve Ott?

At least there is an effort to do something!

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#113 pkam
September 23 2013, 03:40PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

I didn't think Gags would stand there and let Kassian nail him in the jaw.

Oh right he wasn't expecting it.

If Gagner try to do that, what do you think will happen? I bet it will end up with a fight, wouldn't it?

What is the chance Gagner win a fight with a guy about 3" taller and 20 lbs heavier, not to mention he has a broker jaw? And what do you think Kassian will target if they really get into a fight? Oh right, he is such a gentleman that he will stay away from Gagner's jaw because he knows his jaw is probably broken with all the teeth on the ice.

Remember what Chara target Crosby when they tangled up in front of the net in the last playoff series?

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#114 pkam
September 23 2013, 05:45PM
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MessyEH! wrote:

Yeah a civil hockey fight. That's broken up as soon as you hit the ice.

I am not talking the one handed wild swing Kassian made.I am talking a two handed baseball style smash. Delivered by a pro athlete.

If a fight followed, or not, a message would be sent don't f@(k around.

If I swing the stick or a dirty hit on your player, do I not expect some kind of retaliation?

I don't know about Kassian, but if I cheapshot somebody, I am well prepared for some kind of retaliation.

I am not against retaliation, but you have to it smart too, like what Keith did to Daniel Sedin. You take a penalty or suspension, but make sure you get your job done and don't put yourself in more harm.

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#115 Reach Advantage
September 23 2013, 06:20PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

So, what is the fantasy here...

SMac is put on the ice against the Sedins.

If.. and this is a big if, he manages to catch up to one of them without the Oil getting scored on, he smashes one.

A Sedin is out for x amount of time.

SMac is suspended for x amount of time.

The Oilers don't improve having the Nucks lose a player. Probably lose the game. And now they are without their hulking beast.

You gain nothing other than violence and are back to square one.

You gain this very valuable thing:

Kassian doesn't do what he did again.

Also, other teams see what happened and they don't do what Kassian did.

Very valuable.

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#116 michael
September 23 2013, 06:57PM
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For those of you have not been paying attention these past 3 seasons should wake up and take a look at where we have finished in the standing due a passive do not hit me I won't hit you approach. Where has that got us?

Gregor uses the the doing the same thing over and over again is insanity. Well we have been like the dog that presents its belly anytime anything approaches bigger than a chihuaua. We have shown no grit. None. We have had our nose continuously shoved into the ice. And we have come back and asked them do it some more. We have had no spine.

3 previous coach's,note the word previous, 1 GM and a plethora of NHL wannabe's have come and gone. And still we had our show ran for us. Enough is enough. When do we stand up for ourselves. I am sorry to all the pacifists out there like Romulus. But I have been paying attention and for the past 3 years we have been getting the snot kicked out out of us regularly. I am sick of it. The addition of Smack by MacT signals a change in that he understands the situation. He bided his time. Waited to see who would step up. Saw that Mike Brown was in over his head. He made a choice to give Eakins a tool that imo nullifys a lot of the bs that teams have been handing us for the past 3 years.

You add Eager,Brown and Smack.And now you have a 4 th line that can deliver the goods and the brawn on a regular basis. You do not need use Smack every game but sure as cow turd you use him to nullify pukes like ORR and Kassian.

Its time this team pushes back. Not just on the scoreboard. You beat a team mentaly before you beat them physicaly. Smack puts doubt and fear into the minds of the opponent. A little fear goes along way to winning.

book it

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#117 Shaun Doe
September 23 2013, 08:08PM
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@Jason Strudwick

Fair enough, I assumed that would be the answer. I just wonder if he gave him a bit of the hairy eye balls or just a simple, "use your head". But he's an employee first, dad second when he's on the clock.

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#118 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 23 2013, 11:45PM
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@Shaun Doe

Dave Gagner has nothing to do with the Canucks. He doesn't work for them. Gagner sr. works for the Orr management group.

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#119 sizzler
September 23 2013, 09:01AM
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Oilers have let this kind of incidents slide way to often in past few years. Fighting Zack Kassian in the next game is not the answer either. Need to become a tough team, need to be able to hit other teams skilled players.

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#120 The Oilers Shot Clock
September 23 2013, 09:07AM
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No to the nuclear heavyweights. Yes to a fuctional tough guy. There's always time for a tough guy that can play real minutes and a semi regular shift. As soon as I got to know Eakins more, I immediately wished we had kept Peckham for another half season.

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#121 Rob...
September 23 2013, 09:57AM
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So Kassian gets between 5 and 10 games from Shanaban. The best thing to come out of this is that the amoral goon now has to consider the length of his NEXT suspension every time he thinks about doing something stupid. That will be more of a deterrent than the Oilers bringing in a legit enforcer.

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#122 Walter Sobchak
September 23 2013, 10:01AM
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I'm with Rom on this, a payer like SMac or Lucic would not have stopped a goon play Kassian.

Until the NHL rewrites the instigator rule, the players will continue to have little respect for the game and each other.

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#123 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
September 23 2013, 10:31AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

That's a frightening thought, isn't it?

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#124 Zamboni Driver
September 23 2013, 10:34AM
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@DSF

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

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#125 Zamboni Driver
September 23 2013, 10:42AM
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@DSF

Thank god.

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#126 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 11:00AM
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Only way to prevent the cheap shots is to get rid of the instigator rule. A guy like Smac is useless unless he can hop over the boards and go pound on someone in retaliation. Essentially neutered.

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#127 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:03AM
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Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe 4m "I always said that having even a cutout of Dave Brown on the bench was worth a hundred thousand dollars a year."Craig MacTavish

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#128 Lochenzo
September 23 2013, 11:05AM
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Well, speak of the devil...Smackintyre!! There was an overall attitude by Vancouver on Saturday that wanted run the Oilers out of the building. This after embarrassing Vancouver at home the game before.

The rules combined with MacIntyre being too good at his job as an enforcer made it hard to get into fights as many opponents turned him down. I think Steve needs to decide for himself that sometimes taking the instigator penalty is ok. If Weise said no to a fight after his head shot on Hall, I'd drop the gloves anyway.

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#129 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 11:07AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Only way to prevent the cheap shots is to get rid of the instigator rule. A guy like Smac is useless unless he can hop over the boards and go pound on someone in retaliation. Essentially neutered.

What if don't give a $hit about the instigator rule. Just pound away and serve the penalty?

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#130 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 11:16AM
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The good news that results when SMac is on the bench - we should see some double shifting of Hall / Yak / etc on the 4th line. That can't be a bad thing.

EDIT: Oops. I see Spyder said the same thing about double shifting earlier (although I am pretty sure there is no chance SMAc / Eager and Brown are ALL on the 23 man roster)

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#131 Rama Lama
September 23 2013, 11:21AM
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Ok people, just got off the phone with Mac T.........Steve Mac will be used differently this time.

You see in the past coaches would play him on a fourth line role and expect him to score. Enter Eakins and he will play him only against teams that have a history of running our guys. THe message will be simple, if the other team gets stupid......start running their skill players, forget fighting their heavyweights.

Problem solved.........you fight fire with fire.

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#132 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
September 23 2013, 11:22AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

what are you talking about?

what's the hypocrisy?

Or, do you not recognize a difference between, say Lucic and SMac?

WHAT?? MACT COULD HAVE CLAIMED LUCIC BUT PICKED UP SMAC INSTEAD?? WHAT AN IDIOT!

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#133 **
September 23 2013, 11:24AM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Dude, he actually said the opposite of that: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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#134 **
September 23 2013, 11:26AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy Here we go, I turn on the radio & 1st thing I hear is "Oilers didn't have as many injuries with Steve MacIntyre in the line-up." Oh, please.

Bruce McCurdy ‏@BruceMcCurdy During SMac's full year in #EDM, Eberle missed 13 games,Gagner 14,Hall 17 (hurt fighting!),Hemsky & Horcoff 35 each. Only 3 F reached 70 GP.

Dude, he actually said the opposite of that: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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#135 madjam
September 23 2013, 11:26AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

It's called asset management acquisition . Protection for your stars players is paramount and necessary . Small price to pay if it saves and deters injuries to star players in the future .

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#136 Czar
September 23 2013, 11:28AM
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Spydyr wrote:

He takes the fourth line centers roster spot. Then you double shift Hall as the fourth line center between Brown and Eager who hit everything in sight.

Smac comes out to play when needed. When someone has to bleed.

Easy huh?

And bleed they will!

The folks who don't see the need for an enforcer are the same bitches who are left holding coats and purses when sh+t goes down.

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#137 Bill
September 23 2013, 11:34AM
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Reinman wrote:

Justice would be for Vancouver to give us Kesler until Gagner returns. :-)

Justice would be sidelining Kesler or one of the Sedins for a month or two.

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#138 Cold Hard Truth
September 23 2013, 11:35AM
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If the Oilers do not make the playoffs this year, pundits will point to MacTavish's failure to address the depth a center as the reason in their post-season autopsy.

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#139 Bloodsweatandoil
September 23 2013, 11:40AM
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Awesome post Dan!!

Mac T had to do something,and that is the great thing about him. He has not been the manager for very long and he has moved the right peices in and out very quickly with what was available,combined with if the aquisistion wants to play here. I do not think he has missed the boat on anything yet as his juggling is not done. This is one of those knee-jerk reactions that I respect and agree with. This Oiler team is now playing for serious along with a proper manager and a coach moulding it. The makeup and the character of this team has just changed for the better again,and their respect level from other clubs has also just elevated that much more.

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#140 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:42AM
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@Cold Hard Truth

There's truth, and then there's the cold hard truth

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#141 Lochenzo
September 23 2013, 11:44AM
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I betcha that Oilers' lockerroom feels better after the pickup of MacIntyre. That alone makes this a good move.

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#142 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 11:49AM
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Oh and it was reported today that Morrow was courted by many teams. He chose to go to St.Louis. He didn't want to come here.

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#143 Smokey
September 23 2013, 12:02PM
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wazy08 wrote:

Where is Jody Shelley? Literally dress him for 30 games this season with the understanding that if someone gets looked at funny he knows his role. If someone pulls a Kassian on Gagner, that not only is Kassian responsible but perhaps the Sedins or Kesler are also held accountable for Kassian/Weises actions. The Oilers need to rock a Brown/Shelley type of players in their lineup. Tired of a soft team thats gonna keep having players injured because they dont stand up for themselves. I agree 100% with you Strudwick. PP's are nice, but what are you gonna do when your star PP players are all on LTR.

These types of arguments born outta watching Semenko in the 80's and the broad street bullies doesn't mean a nuclear detterant work today. It works only when a player can play actual shift with your skill lines. Guys like Bob Probert, Semenko, Chris Simon could actually play regular shifts. MacIntire, Hordichuk, Shelley play 3-6 minutes a night on a fourth line and are lucky to make it on the ice usually against other fourth liners.

A Brandon Prust or Hartnell are examples of guys who can play. There have gotten to be too few Darcy Tucker types who can play with skill and drop mitts with middling heavies. The Clutterbuck's and Cooke's don't ever fight the Big Mac's and would turtle in a millisecond. They know when the Boogeyman or Shelley's come over the boards and it never deters the cheep shots.

The instigator got rid of the effective Nuclear Deterrent. Steve Mac was useless cause he rarely could ever get to the cheep shot artists and was generally ineffective at playing eye for an eye. The Boogeyman was one example of a knuckle dragger who did not have the skill in most Senior Men's Leagues that was effective. The Boogeyman could skate enough to run ya, and chop ya, or knee ya. To me he was the one Nuclear deterrent that could deter cause he did not care who he went after, and was arswhole when he did. However Lemaire was smart enough to get him shifts on top lines from time to time, and the team was so sound defensively that he could run guys without costing the team the other way.

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#144 David S
September 23 2013, 12:05PM
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I'm just as p!ssed as everybody (who's sane) about MacT adding a useless facepuncher to the roster.

But you have to remember we have essentially ZERO cap space so SMac was the only realistic "grit" option as he only costs $625K. All you guys lobbying for an actual NHL'er who is tough as nails and can play need to think about how much that guy will cost - if he even wanted to come here or some team would be dumb enough to give up a guy like that.

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#145 Bonvie
September 23 2013, 12:39PM
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DSF wrote:

"Freak accidents and horrible goonery are remarkably ignorant of deterrents."

On that we can agree.

But the failure to respond to physical play has consequences that you cannot and will not ever be able to measure.

And yet you are still trying to use your high school logic classes to refute the knowledge of those with far more insight into the issue at hand.

This was a great moment for the Edmonton Oilers. You don't have that many skilled assets without protection.

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#146 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 01:13PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think he made a big blunder.

I think that is a valid opinion.

I'm happy to concede people of good faith can hold divergent opinions. I think the best way to do so is to take those opinions seriously and challenge them where you disagree.

That doesn't mean you hold that person in contempt, or disrespect. It means you take them seriously, listen and try to learn.

I agree...how can anyone not agree with that.....I guess my point is I don't think, on this one, that you're practicing what you preach.

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#147 Hemmercules
September 23 2013, 01:22PM
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They never seem to use Smac the right way. It always plays out the same. Regehr runs hemsky. They send out Smac after the fact to pick a fight with him. Regehr declines to fight. Smac fights the nearest goon. Nobody learn anything other than don't fight Smac because he breaks faces.

The only way Smac works is if he brings something else to the game, which if I remember from last time, he didn't.

If he is a beast at killing penalties and they maybe put him out early in the game to run a couple hard shifts to send an early message then maybe he works out. Useless player if he just sits 90% of the time in games they actually use him in and then just run him out to fight another 7' goon.

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#148 GVBlackhawk
September 23 2013, 02:58PM
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Gkpoil wrote:

Yes the object is to score, but you can't if you are laying on the ice with a broken jaw. In a perfect world you don't need the Smacks of the league, but when you have teams that dress the Kassians of the league you need to protect your assets.

No, fighting Kassian would not do any good and no, Smack is not going to score you many goals (if any). But if he goons another teams star in retaliation the message will be sent, 'eye for an eye'.

And responding to an earlier post, if Smack knocks out Kesler or a sister for a month for Kassian's actions.... good. We lose Smack for a while but other team's goons will be aware that their actions against our stars will have serious reprecussions. Remember we play evey team twice now...

So who is going to retaliate when he is serving 10-20 game suspensions?

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#149 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 03:21PM
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pkam wrote:

You think Kassian will stand there an let Gagner crank him in his throat?

The result is probably Gagner get smash at his jaw and end up with a more serious injury and out for even longer.

Just send a goon out the next game and get the Sedins and Kesler and make sure they will be out longer than Gagner. Don't even bother to answer any call to fight.

I didn't think Gags would stand there and let Kassian nail him in the jaw.

Oh right he wasn't expecting it.

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#150 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 03:36PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Romolus, no amount of logic will change your opinion, we get that. At lease you stick by your argument, however weak and pathetic.

I would love to play hockey against your family and probably after the second time I run your mother, elbow your brother, and swing my stick at your grandmother breaking her jaw in three places............you will understand that beting the crap out of me will probably not change the outcome of the game, but I will be thinking of the beating I took last game and this may alter the way I play the next game.

Want to give it a try? Or do you perfer to stay buried in the sand?

If you play that type of game. Your prepared to take a beating. What your not prepared for is someone coming to end your career.

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