The Road Gets a Little Bumpier

Jason Strudwick
September 23 2013 09:33AM

Saturday night, in a preseason game against the Vancouver Canucks there was a stupid stick swinging incident involving the Canucks Zack Kassian. The result has really put a dent in the Oilers ability to have a strong start to this season.

Sam Gagner was hit by Kassian's stick in the mouth and by all reports he will miss a yet to be determined number of regular season games thanks to a broken jaw. The timing of this is very frustrating for any player.

All players work very hard in the summer to be fine tuned to get off to a good start. Hours in the gym and on the ice make sure they are ready to go. There is never a good time to be injured but I always felt that getting hurt in preseason was brutal.

The rest of the NHL continues right along and a player injured in exhibition is left behind. It is inevitable that Gagner will lose the fine edge he was worked on all summer. His level of conditioning will be challenged in two ways:

One, I would not expect a lot of training for him while the injury is acute. Two, his calorie and diet intake will be altered. After losing teeth and breaking your jaw would you feel like consuming the necessary calories to maintain your weight and energy levels?

I once took a puck to the mouth the morning after our team's rookie party (great times by the way). The dentist described the state of my mouth like this... "it looks like a grenade went off on your lips." Not what I wanted to hear, especially after a late night. A bunch of teeth were loose and I had to wear a brace across my top row of teeth. I lived on soup and protein shakes for a few weeks. Until I could eat whole foods again I was losing weight faster then Gregor was losing his hair at the age of eighteen.

This isn't good news for Gagner. In time he will get to the level he wants to be but it will not be right away. I know how competitive he is and the high expectations he puts on himself. The longer his down time, the longer it will take for him to get back to playing at his self imposed high level.

For the Oilers, the Gagner injury will leave them without their top two centers to start the season. Due to the Olympic break the Oilers have a full month of games in October. Wins will be harder to come by without both Gagner and Nuge. Take the top two centers off any team and that team will struggle.

As for Zach Kassian this was a very stupid play. I honestly don't understand how his stick could end up hitting Gagner in the face. I feel that a player is always responsible for his stick. Always. I do not think it was by accident that it flew up and hit Gagner in the face. It was on or near the ice and then flies up? Makes no sense to me.

The Consequences

Kassian will probably be suspended. If I am the Oilers why do I care about that? It doesn't bring back Gagner any sooner. One, two, 5, 10 games...doesn't make a difference. Even for the Canucks, at this stage in Kassian's development their team will move on without him.

I think the issue is with the lack of overall toughness in the Oilers lineup. Players like Kassian have no fear in playing the Oilers extra tough. Who outside of Mike Brown can stand up to a guy like Kassian or Andrew Alberts? Both these guys were running around Saturday night in Edmonton like there was no reason to be afraid! They're big guys, but nothing to lose sleep over unless a team like the Oilers doesn't have guys to match up to them with.

I know Edmonton got a lot of power plays against the Canucks Saturday. The plan is to score on those PP attempts frequently enough that the opponent will have to tone down the physical play. I get that, but at some point doesn't the team need to have the ability to stand up for itself?

When is enough enough? And when they get to that point who will be the guy to do it? I really like Brown as a player, he played very well saturday, but it is unfair to ask one undersized guy to fight the whole team's battles. I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player, just bring in someone who can play and step up when needed.

Last summer the Canadians signed Brandon Prust to a nice contract. He plays hard and fought most of the team's battles when needed. He did a good job but it is a lonely job if you are the only one doing it and you are undersized. Marc Bergevin saw the need to get him some help. This off season he brought in George Parros to take the pressure off Prust. I guarantee all the Habs are walking taller this season.

I don't care if Kassian gets suspended for one or ten games. I do care how the Oilers respond when they play him again. It is important for the team to not brush this over like nothing happened or it was an accident. The Oiler team can make a statement to not only the Canucks but all the teams in the league with some kind of a response.

Will someone stand up and say enough is enough?

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Jason hosts the Jason Strudwick show from 9pm to 12am, weeknights on the team 1260. He is an instructor at Mount Carmel Hockey Academy and loves working with the kids. Having played over 650 games in the NHL, Jason has some great stories and unique takes on life in the NHL. He loves Slurpees and Blizzards. Dislikes baggy clothes and close talkers.
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#151 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 23 2013, 03:47PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Romolus, no amount of logic will change your opinion, we get that. At lease you stick by your argument, however weak and pathetic.

I would love to play hockey against your family and probably after the second time I run your mother, elbow your brother, and swing my stick at your grandmother breaking her jaw in three places............you will understand that beting the crap out of me will probably not change the outcome of the game, but I will be thinking of the beating I took last game and this may alter the way I play the next game.

Want to give it a try? Or do you perfer to stay buried in the sand?

Noted for posterity.

This is still a hockey blog right?

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#152 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 04:02PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You must have read Theo Fluerry's book......cause that's what he said worked for him.

I hated Fleury for his dirty play. But no one cheap shotted him twice.

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#153 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 04:13PM
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pkam wrote:

If Gagner try to do that, what do you think will happen? I bet it will end up with a fight, wouldn't it?

What is the chance Gagner win a fight with a guy about 3" taller and 20 lbs heavier, not to mention he has a broker jaw? And what do you think Kassian will target if they really get into a fight? Oh right, he is such a gentleman that he will stay away from Gagner's jaw because he knows his jaw is probably broken with all the teeth on the ice.

Remember what Chara target Crosby when they tangled up in front of the net in the last playoff series?

Yeah a civil hockey fight. That's broken up as soon as you hit the ice.

I am not talking the one handed wild swing Kassian made.I am talking a two handed baseball style smash. Delivered by a pro athlete.

If a fight followed, or not, a message would be sent don't f@(k around.

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#154 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 04:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You must have read Theo Fluerry's book......cause that's what he said worked for him.

Imagine if all the fab 5 played with a little sand in there panties. Closed in and circled like wolves.

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#155 oilersplumber
September 23 2013, 06:26PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

The game has changed a lot since the 1970's and 1980's. You can't get away with the stuff that they did back then.

Apparently they already have.

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#156 Todd
September 23 2013, 07:25PM
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Reach Advantage wrote:

You gain this very valuable thing:

Kassian doesn't do what he did again.

Also, other teams see what happened and they don't do what Kassian did.

Very valuable.

I agree with you. If someone does something crazy it forever alters the game. The fact that John Scott was willing to jump a 5'9" elite scorer proves his head isn't on straight. He is crazy, unpredictable and might just snap.

This is how enforcers did it in the 80s. If any goal scorer in the league was mouthy enough, cheap enough and asked for it, he might be killed by the toughest guy in the league.

Now guys like Smac just fight pre-arranged honor fights against the other guys goon. This is pointless. I hope hope Smac is told to pull a John Scott. If every single guy on the other team knows that if he steps out of line or flaps his mouth off too much ala Kessle he might get killed (literally, dead), that would change things more than some staged nuclear deterrant fight.

Also semi related, I can't stop laughing at some of the people in these comments who think they know more about hockey than Struds. I played major junior, and I still play beer league like the rest of us know it alls. It just kills me when people think they know more than a guy who played 14 years in the show. Unreal.... Some peoples kids.

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#157 Todd
September 23 2013, 07:29PM
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Reach Advantage wrote:

Agree

^^ this X10

Smac does something crazy, kills someone. Don't worry about instigator or suspension. Then the rest of the year you just say "do you want what Kassian got". That is a nuclear deterrent IMO. Not staged honorable "wanna go" Smac VS some other nuclear heavy fight.

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#159 Gaz
September 23 2013, 11:34PM
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@DSF

Oh dear.

Weiss didn't 'lay a beating' on Brown. Watch it again. Brown started hammering so Weiss wrestled him to the ground. That's fine, and a smart play by Weiss for sure. Please don't alter what happened to fit your narrative.

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#160 MessyEH!
September 24 2013, 09:25AM
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@Czar

That's a beast of a nuclear deterent. You hurt our skill, and we release a smack down on your goalie. Someone, from there team will respond and they get leveled.

RELEASE THE SMACKEN.

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#161 Rama Lama
September 24 2013, 11:07AM
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I wonder why Gretzky always wanted two or three tough guys on his team?? It was'nt so they could manage Gretzky's fashion requirements.

For all those people who think a goon plays no part........ask the greatest player in the world how he feels about this......it's all there on the record.

Only a fool goes into a battle unarmed and expects to win the war.

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#162 Dawn
September 23 2013, 09:08AM
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It seems to me that taking it in the chops time after time has got be at least as hard on the team psyche as all that losing has been. I hope Dallas has the answer for that too. Can he coach the guys into everyone standing up for themselves and each other?

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#163 Rotten Ron
September 23 2013, 09:21AM
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Alberts was laying out someone seemed like every shift. Labarbera gets snowed 5 guys skate to the bench without batting an eye. Hall gets hit to the head Smyth and Hemsky go stand around Weise just because they think thats whats expected. Brown steps up as usual at least they got one solid team mate. 6 soft players on the blue line doesnt cut it. What do Smith and Buchberger tell these guys when they get to the bench after something like snowing the goalie happens and nobody even give them a second look?

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#164 Ryan2
September 23 2013, 09:27AM
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Instead of going after Kassian or Alberts, they need to run the Sedins, Kessler or one of the other top players on the Nucks. The last time I can remember the Oilers doing this was a Detroit game two years ago where the Wings disturbers were running around and Kronwall gave Hemsky one of his borderline hits. The next shift Smid took a penalty (short handed due to an extra minor for someone going after Kronwall) for cross checking Zetterberg down along the boards then hammering away at him a few more times. He yelled at their bench that their start players would pay if they went after the Oilers' skill guys. If I recall correctly, someone also took a good run at Datsyuk but just missed. The message had been sent, and Detroit's disturbers were quiet after that. Too bad the Oilers only play like that once every season or two.......

As for Kronwall, later in the game Commodore had to take some punches for him in a fight that he had no business being in.

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#165 steelymac
September 23 2013, 09:41AM
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Regardless of management finding muscle to take care of the Kassians in the league,I sure as hell hope Ben Eager can catch the sisters and Kesler in the trolly tracks next time we play them.I firmly believe if they want to run our guys they better excpect their stars will be getting a lickin back.Paybacks a bitch and I don't endorse anything against the rules but if Big Ben takes four strides instead of three and there is a charging call,Im cool with that.Tit for Tat.

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#166 StHenriOilBomb
September 23 2013, 09:53AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Who are we to tell Six rings Lowe how to build a "winner" when it comes to building a successfull hockey club?

Just shut up and make sure your ticket payments go through when due. Shut the puck up you bunch of whiners. We're already getting much more than we deserve for our money. Know your role, ya bunch of sheep.

All the suspensions that'll be handed out in the coming days. Are these reg season games, or irrelevant pre season games/both?

The suspensions, as I read yesterday (searching for the link), will be effective during the regular season, and anyone suspended will also miss the rest of preseason until his suspension has been served.

How was the deck building?

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#167 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:18AM
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Rob... wrote:

So Kassian gets between 5 and 10 games from Shanaban. The best thing to come out of this is that the amoral goon now has to consider the length of his NEXT suspension every time he thinks about doing something stupid. That will be more of a deterrent than the Oilers bringing in a legit enforcer.

I agree with you Rob about the next suspension being a deterrent ....

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#168 The Oilers Shot Clock
September 23 2013, 10:19AM
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Lowetide is going to have a bad day. MacT lied to him!

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#169 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 10:19AM
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DSF wrote:

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 1m Oil claim Mcintyre

a link to the story

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/09/23/edmonton-oilers-claim-steve-macintyre-on-waivers/

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#170 Truth
September 23 2013, 10:20AM
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SMACK IS BACK! Kassian would need to have stones made of diamond if he didn't feel nervous before their next matchup (provided he's not suspended)

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#171 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 10:40AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

We all have gaps in knowledge and blindsides... MacT has done a lot of things that make a lot of sense.

He's very smart and has done a really solid job in a limited time.

BUT... leaving the C depth this weak was a poor decision and looks to be the product of over-valuing the hangers on down the chart (seems he really over valued Miller, Acro and Acton)

AND... when your already weak C depth gets shattered to the bone, you think your biggest concern is finding a guy who will accomplish nothing and play maybe 30% of the games for 2-3 minutes a night... is just plain ridiculous.

It doesn't invalidate him, his work or his smarts.

It's a classic case of I said you're "acting like a x" rather than you "are an x"

No sarcasm here....that is a reasoned response....and a pretty good one to defend/make your point.....I can respect that even though I disagree with you....

Your criticism of C depth is fair....I would argue that as GM your options are limited by many factors that you and I....or at least I, have no view into.....negotiations, team roster road maps, insider knowledge of player attributes and short comings, etc.......being a reasonable man, I have reason to believe that Mac T thoroughly considered all the options available and did what it was practical to do. (it is also reasonable to question or debate his choices).

As for the need for short term solution to the "toughness quotient" ...I will respectfully disagree with you.....and while I, like many here, value the practice of questioning authority at every turn....in this specific case.....I really do put a higher value on the opinion and judgement of Craig MacTavish as to what is needed here and now than I do that of you or I.

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#172 oilfaninvic
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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I think a better resoonse is an accidental high stickor cross check to the beak of one of the twins or Kesler. Lex talionis. Screw Kassian! Oil have better chance to win when he is on the ice.

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#173 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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I have flip flopped on this issue a couple of times. Historically, I have thought the nuclear deterant was the way to go, but have since changed my mind. As has been pointed out, injuries were prevalent when Laroque and MacIntyre were parolling the ice, or more accurately the bench.

I do not want to discount Struds opinion as clearly he has been there and I haven't. But either way I think the whole lot of the Oilers need to play a greasier / pack mentality game. When LaBarbara got snowed there was nothing more than a friendly gathering. I think this is a mindset the Oilers as a team have to overcome. Perron is no tough guy but a couple of times he was at least trying to get involved in a scrum while other bigger Oilers meandered their way back to the bench. I need not mention he just left a team that has some of that nastiness EXPECTED when something untoward occurs to a teammate.

The Hamiltons, Actons, Ryan Jones et al are veteran players who are best bottom sixers who should at least try to respond to the crap that was going on. I saw nothing.

The "stars" Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak, Schultz Jr. etc should not be immune from face washing the odd guy or getting the odd stick up. I think Hall kneeing Clutterbuck was a good thing - sorry, I really do. Eberle in three years of pro has not figured out what it took Darnell Nurse three games to figure out. The Canucks were running and hitting Nurse late until he shoved the butt end if his stick in the mouth of the would be checker. You do that a couple of times - the message gets out.

Hockey is a great game - but it is not a nice game. Whether SMac is here or not, the sooner the Oilers figure that out the better.

I like SMac and his story, but the Oilers are now going to have to send down (or lose) a useful hockey player in the attempt to "protect" guys with a very large man sitting on the bench or in the press box for the bulk of the time he is here. With all respect, I can't see it working.

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#174 book¡e
September 23 2013, 10:45AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Surely SURELY TO GOD "1m" does not mean they're paying

STEVE MACINTYRE

A million dollars????????

No, its just $625,000

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#175 Rob...
September 23 2013, 10:46AM
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The only way the S'Mac pickup works is if the team and the player are willing to target talented players when retribution is required. In the past we've had situations where there was only buy-in from one, or none, of the two.

I'm not concerned about the roster spot. Most Oilers talent would be more than happy to pick up a few extra shifts on the 4th line, in addition to regular shiftwork.

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#176 Truth
September 23 2013, 10:59AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Dithers actually did the exact same thing.

C depth collapses and he put a claim in on Volpatti and traded for Brown while Hall and Jussi J passed on waivers.

MacT is reading the wrong playbook today.

I think this would be a knock on MacT if Hall and Jussi J were on waivers today. They weren't, MacIntyre was. I have no doubts that MacT is searching for a stop gap C.

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#177 BK
September 23 2013, 11:21AM
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I believe the league needs to consider "Designated Suspensions". Regardless of WHICH team is affected by the actions, that same team should also have the opportunity to benefit from the suspension.

The affected team should get to choose the game(s) which the player has to sit out/take a roster spot. It gives leverage to the affected team so they can at least feel some justice is served, without some kind of "retribution" needing to take place on the ice.

Of course there would be terms and rules in place, but if we could have Zack Kassian take a roster spot, and have to sit out the next game or two against US, isn't that more effective than him sitting out against say San Jose and Chicago?

I think so.

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#178 **
September 23 2013, 11:22AM
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" I am not saying go out and bring in a Steve MacIntyre type player..". Oh the irony.

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#179 Dan 1919
September 23 2013, 11:24AM
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When we see Macintyre, Eager, Brown, and Smid line up against the Sedin Sisters, we know it will be the ladies' last shifts played for a while.

After that the Canucks will surely see the light and remember how to keep their hockey sticks on the ice.

Yes, Yes, we all wanted Lucic instead of Macintyre in the perfect world of EA Sports hockey trading. It's time for you people criticizing this move to wake up and smell the roses of reality.

Great job Mac-T, that man is consistently putting his money where is mouth is, doing anything instead of nothing (aka the Tambi era)

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#180 Bob Cob
September 23 2013, 11:26AM
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I like the Mac signing, the only way it works though is if he is willing to play like Boogaurd did, run other teams players and not just look to fight the teams tough guys. Enforcers are only good if they are willing to take liberties at opportune times, this should open up room for Brown and Eager to run amuck and and stand a little taller.

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#181 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:31AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

He should have been looking for a C from day one.

SMac is a bad pick up regardless of the situation.

There are options remaining for Cs... every second counts.

MacIntyre is a free pick up. Play him in the rest of the preseason games, if he's horrible and someone else warrants a spot ahead of him then cut him. If he provides value keep him. There is no doubt the Oilers would be better with Couturier, or B. Schenn, or J. Staal on the team, but they aren't cheap to acquire. At this point the best bet for MacT is to see who falls through on waivers or who could potentially become available with new hires coming out of pre-season.

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#182 Truth
September 23 2013, 11:38AM
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** wrote:

why is Dave Steckel not on an oilers jersey yet?

He and Mac skate at about the same pace.

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#183 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 11:43AM
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** wrote:

why is Dave Steckel not on an oilers jersey yet?

Because Dave Steckel would become(with the exception of Steve MacIntyre) the slowest skater on the Oilers roster. And remember that is a roster that includes Ryan Smyth.

Sorry Smytty.

Edit: Man I am slow in coming out with an original thought today. Better up my caffeine intake. "Truth" speaks the truth.

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#184 JJ
September 23 2013, 12:02PM
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Lines for tonight:

Omark - Gordon - Yakupov

Joensuu - Arcobello - Pitlick

Jones - Lander - Hamilton

Eager - Acton - Brown

Excellent. The swedish sensation is in tonight. One of his last chances to prove everyone wrong.

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#185 DieHard
September 23 2013, 12:07PM
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Just because MacT gets Smac from the wire doesn't mean he stays with the team. If another, better option becomes available, he'll try to grab him and waive Smac. MacT is just getting in the game that he needs to be in. We need an enforcer that can play (somewhat) and preferably a center.

No one will fight Smac except another superheavywight, so really what's the point. He's not fast enough to catch someone like a Sedin and that is the type that should be targeted. If the Oil manage to put a Sedin on the shelf for the season as payback, then maybe the league with do what it should do with these goons. 40 games for that ignorant stick swing and big fines to the Canucks.

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#186 Rod from Viking
September 23 2013, 12:09PM
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Truth wrote:

He and Mac skate at about the same pace.

John Shannon made the statement on Oilers Now a while ago that David Steckle has easily the lowest hockey IQ of any one in the league, this probably why NO ONE has signed him.

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#187 The Soup Fascist
September 23 2013, 12:09PM
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DSF wrote:

Dan Murphy ‏@sportsnetmurph 5m

Kassian on #oilers picking up MacIntyre as a deterrent, "Perfect. I don't think he can skate, that's the last thing on our mind."

Kassian SHOULD have other things on his mind like missing (hopefully) 7 games or so and a couple of paycheques.

If it was "accidental" I would feel bad that I seriously injured another person, through my actions. Fat chance. A reckless move from a classless player. He is the perfect Canuck.

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#188 Spydyr
September 23 2013, 12:17PM
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Hey DSF and Romulus' Apotheosis why don't you guys go rent a barn or something?

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#189 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:18PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

John Shannon made the statement on Oilers Now a while ago that David Steckle has easily the lowest hockey IQ of any one in the league, this probably why NO ONE has signed him.

SARCASM ALERT.......

But Rod........that can't be true.....it can't be true because you can't measure it.

Non Sarcasm......it's a good example of the types of things that GMs know that we may not......

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#190 james_dean
September 23 2013, 12:25PM
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Dear mac t

Proactive > reactionary

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#191 DieHard
September 23 2013, 12:25PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

I often try to back up your point of view here as I think you generally provide a reasonable alternative perspective.

In this case you and several others continue to speak to Mac T's lack of addressing center depth as being "dumb".

Do you honestly believe that Mac T does not recognize the lack of depth especially after seeing what happened last year with injuries?

I don't care what Jim Nill did. It takes 2 to tango. I assume there were no trade partners and/or players did not want to come here. I.E Clarkson even after offered the big money.

I really do not think that a GM with Mac T's background would just "overlook" this item.

I suspect that plan B was to see what we had in the system after no other options were available with the intent of seeing what was available after teams finalized their rosters, or closer to the deadline.

You cannot turn over half of your roster in one summer anyways. No GM could.

Top flight physical, gritty centers and 1-2 D men do not grow on trees.

You should have added. Good Grief.

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#192 Don W
September 23 2013, 12:35PM
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SAT, 12 APR 2014 - Vancouver better hope the Oilers have something to play for. Otherwise, I would suggest MacT acquire as many thugs as he can and play all of them that night.

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#193 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 23 2013, 12:58PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

So, the argument you agree with is "becoming" but hearing an alternative is "unbecoming"?

I guess those of us who don't agree should leave you to it? Is that more interesting?

Seems like a pretty bland way to run a comments section.

If you are just tired of the circles, I agree with you it is tedious. But the alternative is to stop reading. After all, we are all still on topic.

By unbecoming.....I mean weak.....your comments are normally well thought out and interesting.....I think you you know what I mean ...so ill let it go.....ill move on..

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#194 dougtheslug
September 23 2013, 01:02PM
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DSF wrote:

Keep trying.

Thing is, Weiss laid a beating on Brown and no one stepped up to challenge Kassian because they would have received a beating too.

Adding a player or two who doesn't hide under a table the during the fight in the bar would make a significant difference whether or not you believe it.

Had someone made Kassian pay for his sins I would wager he would have "changed his routine".

Just in the interest of accuracy, more than two thirds of responders on hockeyfights.com rated the bout a draw, or felt Brown had won the fight. It sure looked like Weiss was checking his forehead for leakage as he left the ice. And he was a non-factor the rest of the way. No "beating" was laid on anyone.

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#195 ed in edmonton
September 23 2013, 01:07PM
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DSF wrote:

Keep trying.

Thing is, Weiss laid a beating on Brown and no one stepped up to challenge Kassian because they would have received a beating too.

Adding a player or two who doesn't hide under a table the during the fight in the bar would make a significant difference whether or not you believe it.

Had someone made Kassian pay for his sins I would wager he would have "changed his routine".

Having a guy who "will stand up for his team mates" may make others on the Oil feel better and they then may perform better. If the team is fragile in a "physical confidence" sense then maybe they need something.

Bringing in SMac might be a bit like the Oil bringing in Adam Oates a few years ago. If he can't play he won't be of much use. But the truly effective goons are all have contracts by now and unless the Oil are willing to give up something of value...

Kassian is not so big that,I suspect, he has had some fights in which he has come out second best. And he still plays the way he does. He knows if he changes that part of his game he won't be in the NHL. I'm sure he realizes he will need to answer the bell from time to time and that he will not always come out on top. But he also knows if he isn't willing to accept that he won't be in the NHL.

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#196 Gkpoil
September 23 2013, 01:34PM
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I think this gets to the heart of the matter for a lot of the side conversations here.

I love hockey. I love a good tilt. I love a good hit. I love the odd Messier elbow.

But I love hockey.

I don't love goon shows. I don't love players who can't do anything but hit meat.

I also don't think these kind of players help you win games. Which, is the object of hockey.

Yes the object is to score, but you can't if you are laying on the ice with a broken jaw. In a perfect world you don't need the Smacks of the league, but when you have teams that dress the Kassians of the league you need to protect your assets.

No, fighting Kassian would not do any good and no, Smack is not going to score you many goals (if any). But if he goons another teams star in retaliation the message will be sent, 'eye for an eye'.

And responding to an earlier post, if Smack knocks out Kesler or a sister for a month for Kassian's actions.... good. We lose Smack for a while but other team's goons will be aware that their actions against our stars will have serious reprecussions. Remember we play evey team twice now...

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#197 Eastern Oil
September 23 2013, 01:37PM
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@ Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Well said, and I apologize if I came on too strong. I tried to read through some of the comments and if I missed your explanation that's my fault.

As always, with issues like fighting/truculence, the conversation seems to race to the lowest common denominator. Although I do not mind adding toughness to our lineup, I would have preferred someone with QUITE a bit more ability and/or a real NHL centre.

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#198 pkam
September 23 2013, 01:49PM
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Gkpoil wrote:

Yes the object is to score, but you can't if you are laying on the ice with a broken jaw. In a perfect world you don't need the Smacks of the league, but when you have teams that dress the Kassians of the league you need to protect your assets.

No, fighting Kassian would not do any good and no, Smack is not going to score you many goals (if any). But if he goons another teams star in retaliation the message will be sent, 'eye for an eye'.

And responding to an earlier post, if Smack knocks out Kesler or a sister for a month for Kassian's actions.... good. We lose Smack for a while but other team's goons will be aware that their actions against our stars will have serious reprecussions. Remember we play evey team twice now...

I agree running their star players is the best way to send a message.

But why do we need SMack to knock out Kesler or Sedins? We have Eager, Brown, Joensuu, Acton, Hamilton, Jones, Smyth, Pitlick, Lander, none of them can do it? Worse case, we can call Abney up from minors.

Kassian and Wiese are not going to fight SMack. In fact, nobody will. And he can't play and I think he might even have trouble just trying to hit Kesler or Sedins. Probably all he can do is sitting on the bench yelling.

There is a reason why the Pens put him on waiver and send him down to the minors. He only played 12 games in 11-12 and 1 game last year.

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#199 MessyEH!
September 23 2013, 01:52PM
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You want a deterent. Gagner should get up and two hand crank Kassian in the throat. Yeah Gagner gets suspended. He'd be off injured anyway. But now he gets space. Now he gets left alone.

Or Eakins tells one of the tryouts to run the goalie in the next shift. "Chicken wing elbow as you cross the crease. "

Having a goon on the bench isn't a deterrent, having a couple players who will end your career is.

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#200 2004Z06
September 23 2013, 01:58PM
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@ Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Well said, and I apologize if I came on too strong. I tried to read through some of the comments and if I missed your explanation that's my fault.

As always, with issues like fighting/truculence, the conversation seems to race to the lowest common denominator. Although I do not mind adding toughness to our lineup, I would have preferred someone with QUITE a bit more ability and/or a real NHL centre.

Agree, just call up Mac T and let him know where those guys are.

This is a stop gap move until that player comes available.

Easy for us fans to armchair GM and say what this team needs, much more difficult to make it happen in reality unless you are Jim Nill of course. (That one is for you DSF)

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