NURSE TO JUNIOR, EAKINS HATES SITTING BACK

Jason Gregor
September 25 2013 09:16AM

Darnell Nurse definitely made an impression in his first NHL camp. His infectious smile and polite demeanor allowed him to fit in off the ice, but it was his on-ice play that impressed his teammates the most. None of the Oilers had ever seen him play before, but his fluid skating stride grabbed their attention the first day of camp.

"He moves incredibly well," Taylor Hall said to me on the second day of training camp. "He's so smooth for a big man. He'll be scary when he fills out," continued Hall.

When Hall is impressed by a player's skating ability, you take notice.

Last Wednesday in Vancouver, Nurse played a dominating 24 minutes vs. the Canucks. He gave management, coaches, teammates and the fans a glimpse of his future potential, and he should go back to Sault Ste. Marie feeling very good about his game.

While Nurse dominated in Vancouver that night, in his other preseason games he was solid. At times he looked his age, and you could see that he'll need to add some weight to his 6'4" frame, but every game he played he did something that caught your attention.

Even the most pessimistic Oiler fan was impressed by Nurse, and in 12 months I think he'll be even more impressive.

The Oilers made the right decision to send him to junior. He'll go back to the OHL, play 25-30 minutes a night, develop his game, improve his strength and he'll take on more of a leadership role. He'll be a better player next year, and when he comes to training camp he'll be focused on making the team.

Prior to the draft I interviewed Nurse, and when I asked him about going straight to the NHL he gave an incredibly honest and mature answer, "I think I need to keep developing my game. There are areas I need to improve on, and I think it would be best for me to play another year in junior."

For Nurse to recognize in the summer that the best thing for him would be another year in junior, shows you why he'll be successful, but that doesn't he mean he wasn't crushed when Eakins told him the news last night.

"If anyone tells you it feels good to get cut, they're probably lying to you," he said. "It sucks. There's nothing fun about it but they (Oilers) have the best plan for me and my development. I'm going to go back and dominate my league and hopefully I'll have the opportunity to play in World Juniors," continued Nurse.

I love his attitude. He'll use this as motivation to become even better. He'll make a serious push for the World Junior team and that experience will also help his development.

THIS IS A GOOD THING

There is no negative in sending Nurse back to junior, the only negative out of training camp was that we didn't get to see him play against a complete NHL team. Every game he playe, the opposition had very few proven NHL players. Regardless, that game in Vancouver gave us all a glimpse of his potential. 

He didn't look out of place, even when the Sedins were on the ice, and the best part was that he didn't look intimidated at all. You can't teach confidence, and you can't teach competitiveness. Nurse has both in abundance, and I can't wait to see how he looks next September.

THREE MORE CUTS

Tyler Pitlick, Anton Lander and Taylor Fedun were assigned to OKC last night. They will be on the team charter to OKC this morning and all of them will play significant minutes in OKC this season. Fedun continues to improve. He's an incredibly smart player who rarely makes mistakes. He or Oscar Klefbom will be the first call up, if the Oilers suffer any injuries on the blueline.

Pitlick had the best training camp of his short career. He is close to being an NHL player, and if he can stay healthy this year. and keep improving. he should make a serious push to crack the lineup next season.

Lander wasn't a factor in training camp. He just never looked comfortable and wasn't able to stand out in any of the games. If he can get off to a good start and play well, I think there is a good chance he will play some games in Edmonton this season. He needs to be a leader and one of the best players every night in OKC.

***EDIT at 10:00 a.m.***

The Oilers placed Ryan Jones on waivers this morning. If he clears he'll start the season in OKC. I haven't seen anything from Ryan Hamilton or Ben Eager that suggests they are better NHL players than Jones, but Jones didn't have a strong camp and the Oilers do save cap space by keeping Hamilton up and sending Jones down.

Eager brings a completely different element, so I understand why he is here. Hamilton's footspeed in the preseason was an issue, we'll see how he looks against NHL lineups. Good for him he worked hard to make the lineup, but I don't think anyone on the Oilers fourth line is a lock to stay the entire season.

A WELCOME CHANGE

A few things I've never understood; how someone thinks Olivia Wilde isn't hot or why coaches play prevent defence in football or sit back when they have a lead in hockey.  The picture answers the first question, and when I've watched the Oilers games this season I've noticed a refreshing approach when they have a lead. Eakins wants them to keep pushing forward, rather than sitting on a lead. THANK GOODNESS.

I find when I watch games on TV, even worse on the web, that it is hard to see some of the small nuances of the game. The camera only focuses on the puck carrier, so it's hard to see what players are doing away from the play. Luckily the Oilers have had the lead for every home game this season, and I noticed early on that they never "sat back" on a lead.

In the first few games I wondered if it was just the quality of the opposition, but after watching last night's game I was confident the Oilers' were in fact trying to remain aggressive.

David Perron played in St.Louis the past few seasons, and the Blues have a reputation of protecting leads, so I asked him if Eakins' message, when protecting a lead was different than what he'd previously experienced. 

He tells us to keep going, and I love it and I think everyone in the room does. I don't think that other coaches say sit back, but they way they react it says it without saying it. If you read between the lines, it is pretty easy to figure out that (sitting back) is what they want from the team. 

If you are up 3-2, yeah you need to be smart, but even if you are down 1-0 you need to be smart. It is the same game all the time, and I like that. Dallas wants us to learn to play the same game; in the preseason, the regular season and then when we get in the playoffs we won't be as nervous. 

It is refreshing to hear that a coach is constantly telling his team to push forward, and it is equally good to hear a player already thinking about the playoffs. That is the type of attitude the Oilers need.

After speaking with Perron, I asked Eakins about his gameplan to never stop attacking. 

It kills me. It makes me crazy. I was getting ready to check myself in in the third period because we started to sit back and I don’t understand  why you would. After having great success for two periods by pushing the pace, and limiting their time and space, why would we suddenly give them time and space when the otherwas working for us. I feel the best way to defend a lead is to score a goal. That’s the way to do it. To sit back and give them chance after chance doesn’t make sense to me. 

There are things we can do in practice to work on that, but that is more of a mentality. We have to plant the seed, then start taking great care of that seed and watering it every day, and that's what we are going to do here. That is the one thing I didn't love about the game, because we started to sit back in the third period. 

When the regular season begins and the games matter, if the Oilers are sitting back on a lead, don't blame the coach. He'll be just as frustrated and perplexed as you if his team stops pushing forward. I'm curious to see how long it takes before the players are confident enough not to sit back.

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#101 Darrell
September 25 2013, 10:59AM
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Jckson wrote:

Hypothetical.

If you could go back to the draft and had a chance to pick one of these players. Who do you pick?

Nurse

Lindholm

Monahan

Nichushkin

Should be fun to watch since we took a tied-man and a rookie center may have made the team due to injuries .... As of now Nurse feels right to me.

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#102 TeamOmark
September 25 2013, 12:06PM
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michael wrote:

A line of Mike Brown, Eager and Smack is the definition of filthy. Light, heavy, and super heavy weight. You got 3 players who will be able to bring the boom when and as needed to pukes like Ott and suchlike. Won't be any of the bitching that Toronto did the other night after their guy got his asked kicked by a Sabre player. 3 different weight categories. Pick the guy who needs tuning in and send over the appropriate player to do the tuning. Smack may have limited opportunities for tuning but I'd rather have him on my team than someone else's. Brown and Eager will be able to give us grit and energy. Push back when we need it.

That would just about be the slowest line in the NHL. All it needs is an Omark in there somewhere to speed things up.

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#103 Maverick007
September 25 2013, 12:07PM
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@Gregor,

Hey man I gotta give you props for Olivia Wilde. You made my day today when I saw her. Shes been my wallpaper for over a year lol. Have you seen "Rush"?

Do you think theres a slight chance the Oil offer sheet Derek Stepan?

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#104 Quicksilver ballet
September 25 2013, 12:10PM
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@madjam

You and me bud, we'll convert all these heathens surrounding us. It just seems counter productive to bring all these kids into camp that have zero chance of making this non playoff team.

Where the Oilers are today, roster wise, wouldn't it have been a significant benefit to have been down to this group two and a half weeks ago? Implement that new system and have the guys get use to each other. Hit the ground running as a 25 man group Oct 1st. On a team that needs every competitive advantage they can get. It appears to be a missed opportunity having all these kids with zero chance of making the club just getting in the way these last couple weeks. Looks more Gong Show than serving a functional purpose if you ask me.

The serious injury to Gagner probably insures Hopkins will be rushed back into this lineup.

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#105 Quicksilver ballet
September 25 2013, 12:40PM
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Pucker wrote:

Quickie - you're gettin' old. You should get back on whatever you were before, or get off whatever you started on these past few months.

Change is the one constant in life. Why the need to cling to all the old traditions of decades past? Training camp was a 3 week opportunity to prepare for October 1st. Lloyd Christmas had a better shot of making this team than most of these kids who were just in the way during camp. No need to waste all this time separating the fact and fictional possibilities on this roster.

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#106 Quicksilver ballet
September 25 2013, 12:44PM
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Doomoil wrote:

is this the first time you've ever followed a training camp?

it sure seems like it.

it's been funny watching your transition from pessimist to straight troll.

Change, embrace it.

The game has changed considerably the last 25 yrs. Eakins could be the first coach to break tradition and be the first guy through the wall next fall.

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#107 Fresh Mess
September 25 2013, 01:16PM
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Omark?

I see Theo Peckham got waived by CHI.

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#108 Tikkanese
September 25 2013, 01:20PM
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toblerusse wrote:

Your comment about watching a game on TV and it's limitations is something I think about on a regular basis and something i wait patiently for the future to change. We have such incredible technology available to us yet us, as viewers, are at the mercy of the production of the tv station we are obligated to watch.

I've seen multi-camera options online as many as 6 years ago. The NBA offered it a long time ago and I still cant believe it hasnt expanded.

I made an infographic for my job (we have a blog i run) and I put as many ideas i could into it.

http://visual.ly/future-how-we-watch-hockey

Basically i feel that we should be able to control which of the several camera angles are available at any given time. I would like to watch the powerplay from behind the net WHEN I CHOOSE TO.

I would also love to have access to any of thenumerous microphones around the rink - or better yet, one on the refs or players.

The product of watching sports on tv/online has plenty of room to grow. Billions of dollars to be made as well.

I love the camera from behind the net angle. I wish the entire game was from that angle! You get to see the play develop as the players see it. They can revert to the 1940's side angle for replays on offsides as that is really all that it is good for.

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#109 Shifty203
September 25 2013, 01:32PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

I love the camera from behind the net angle. I wish the entire game was from that angle! You get to see the play develop as the players see it. They can revert to the 1940's side angle for replays on offsides as that is really all that it is good for.

If you saw the Toronto-Buffalo brawl the other night, you may have noticed 2 of the ref's were wearing Go Pro helmet cams. I couldn't find and footage from the game from the refs angle online, but I did find a video from a Detroit Exehibition game that had one ref wearing a Go Pro.

Go to google, and search "Detroit Referee Go Pro". You should get several links to the video.

I love the view on faceoffs, and from the goal line as the play moves towards the net.

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#110 Mikey
September 25 2013, 02:14PM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

Shultz, Ference. Smid, Petry. Shultz, Belov

We will actually have competitive dmen this year. Looking at that roster, Petry and N.Shultz are the likely guys to be cycled in and out if they for example... pass the puck to the goal net and give it away in their own zone resulting in a goal against (Petry) on what should be a very simple pass off the boards for a millionaire playing hockey.

The D-men this year will need to be very careful not to loose their spot for a game or two, because Larsen or Fedun will take that opportunity and likely won't give it back(more so Fedun)... AKA start trembling if you continue that weak own zone play Petry.

I like the Jones on waiver move. Eager played with more speed and energy (albeit nothing spectacular), and has WAY more upside if Eakins is able to spark him.

What does being rich have to do with making a dumb mistake? Jealous much?

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#111 brian_d
September 25 2013, 02:21PM
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2 things, and no, I haven't read through the monstrous pile of comments, so they may have been touched on:

1) As much as I love Jones, Joensuu seems like the new and improved. Bangs harder and moves faster

and

2) though arguably more important, Olivia Wilde has always been top 5 on my "Chics I would bang if I met them--made possible only if they were by some freak chance horribly drunk" list. That list being topped right now by Serinda Swan.

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#112 Tikkanese
September 25 2013, 02:39PM
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Shifty203 wrote:

If you saw the Toronto-Buffalo brawl the other night, you may have noticed 2 of the ref's were wearing Go Pro helmet cams. I couldn't find and footage from the game from the refs angle online, but I did find a video from a Detroit Exehibition game that had one ref wearing a Go Pro.

Go to google, and search "Detroit Referee Go Pro". You should get several links to the video.

I love the view on faceoffs, and from the goal line as the play moves towards the net.

Yea that ref cam could get the odd great replay angle for sure.

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#113 madjam
September 25 2013, 03:43PM
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We have 3 top NBR.1 draft picks from last 4 years . We have the so called best depth in prospects in theleague . How in the world can we be only as high as 23rd best in league ?

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#114 wiseguy
September 25 2013, 04:08PM
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tileguy wrote:

tail between legs wimping to corner. I was really high on Gagne for captain now I want Hallsy. Guess thats why there is a pre season.

You're a big man. Props to you. It wasn't the response I usually get for bringing up stuff.

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#115 Thumby
September 25 2013, 08:39PM
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DSF wrote:

I like you...does that make me a bad person? :)

I must admit that from time to time I also agree with QSB and DSF... I guess it could be my age (45) catching up with me!

DSF - who is he....

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#116 Oilcruzer
September 25 2013, 09:09PM
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If this was game 80 of any of the last 5 years, I get the (deserved) slamming of the Oil at all levels.

But to take such a negative approach before game 1 is in the books?

"inconceivable"

The team looks to be finally turning the corner now. The days of JF Jacques being hyped as a reason to spend your $ on a ticket might now be history.

Might.

For this team, the window is opening.

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#117 Oilcruzer
September 25 2013, 10:53PM
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Nah. Prefer to compare the 23 man roster vs previous years.

And the change by a GM done between the last game of last season to first game of next.

More importantly, predicting gloom is a bit silly at this point. Give it 10 games anyway.

Reminds me. If NYR and Vancouver each have worse records than last year, and they likely will, what does that say about the exchange of coaches.

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#118 Dan 1919
September 25 2013, 11:13PM
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Mikey wrote:

What does being rich have to do with making a dumb mistake? Jealous much?

I was alluding to the fact that an NHL player shouldn't make a mistake like that. Meaning he's a millionaire because he's supposed to be a pro, and not make such an amateur mistake. The actual concept of money was irrelevant to my point. I'm sorry you were not able to understand that. It appears money is something you take seriously as you were so perturbed that you had to post a rhetoric. Some of us don't need it as much as you smart guy ;)

Overreact and shoot off your mouth out of turn much? That's why your life is the disappointment it is. Focus on yourself, not other people, because you often are not intelligent enough to comprehend what they are saying.

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#119 Mikey
September 26 2013, 07:45AM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

I was alluding to the fact that an NHL player shouldn't make a mistake like that. Meaning he's a millionaire because he's supposed to be a pro, and not make such an amateur mistake. The actual concept of money was irrelevant to my point. I'm sorry you were not able to understand that. It appears money is something you take seriously as you were so perturbed that you had to post a rhetoric. Some of us don't need it as much as you smart guy ;)

Overreact and shoot off your mouth out of turn much? That's why your life is the disappointment it is. Focus on yourself, not other people, because you often are not intelligent enough to comprehend what they are saying.

Oh I get it now. Once you become a pro at something you never make a simple mistake?

So if all you ment was, by being a millionire you are a pro, then why did you say pro millionaire and not just pro?

Lame excuse

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#120 Dan 1919
September 26 2013, 10:52AM
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Mikey wrote:

Oh I get it now. Once you become a pro at something you never make a simple mistake?

So if all you ment was, by being a millionire you are a pro, then why did you say pro millionaire and not just pro?

Lame excuse

I've explained it once to you and you did not pay attention, I am not going over it again. Get over it and get your conversations back to hockey. I am not going to engage any further in your teenage girl type antics. If you can't grow up, go find a gossip chat room.

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#121 Mikey
September 26 2013, 11:14AM
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Dan 1919 wrote:

I've explained it once to you and you did not pay attention, I am not going over it again. Get over it and get your conversations back to hockey. I am not going to engage any further in your teenage girl type antics. If you can't grow up, go find a gossip chat room.

Get over yourself buddy. Its not hard to understand what you said, you are missing my point. So I will spell it out for you.

People, whether experianced or not make mistakes all the time. And to suggest that Petry will be "cycled in and out" of the line up is asinine. The oringal post I quoted was a direct slam against a player who, for better or worse, has been the oilers best D-man the past 3 or so years.

Also I would like to point out, your only responses to me have been slander, while avoiding my questions/comments. So yes I would love for you to stay on topic.

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#122 pkam
September 25 2013, 09:58AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Hey JG,

Can you find out what is going on with Curtis Hamilton?

Why hasn't he been cut yet? Have you seen him around, on the ice or anything?

I'm assuming he's injured, if so what's the injury? And, if so, why would that keep them from cutting him from the TC roster to rehab if he isn't going to make the team anyway?

It is very confusing.

Thanks!

If I remember correctly, he had a surgery late last season and is recovering so he will be on IR when season starts.

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#123 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 25 2013, 10:26AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He tore his ACL playing soccer before a game in OKC late last season. He is around camp and has been rehabbing, but is still a few weeks away from playing, if not longer.

Thanks!

That sucks for him. That 3 (him plus Martindale and Pitlick) have a huge year ahead of them... anything in the way like a lingering injury isn't going to help.

Is that typical? For an injured prospect to remain on the TC roster? I would have assumed they'd cut him long ago, or does it affect his rehab in someway (like maybe where and with whom he can rehab)?

thanks again.

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#124 Jckson
September 25 2013, 10:40AM
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Hypothetical.

If you could go back to the draft and had a chance to pick one of these players. Who do you pick?

Nurse

Lindholm

Monahan

Nichushkin

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#125 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 25 2013, 10:47AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

The "pessimists" as you call them will continue to point to Nichuskin who is having a very good pre-season as well. There is no doubt as to Nichuskin's talent. Where there may be problems is if he gets cut from the big club or when he is negotiating a new contract. If Nichuskin doesn't get what he wants, he's prepared to go to the KHL. He's been very clear about that.

I really like Ryan Jones and I can understand why he had a tough year last year. I don't understand what's happening to him this year though. Hope he gets things going again. Joensuu has outplayed him by a mile and deserves to be here opening night.

I think, now that the decision is several months out, it isn't very helpful to keep comparing these two players.

Better to compare them against their draft age positional counterparts. It will make for a stronger comparison. That said, we are years away from knowing much about this draft...

right now we are just wandering around a wine tasting getting a tiny picture of everybody.

Both though, so far, look very, very, very good.

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#126 Czar
September 25 2013, 10:50AM
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JG, Do you think the Flames will pick up Jones? Even with the Saddledome cleaned up they're still up to their eyeballs in crap, on and off the ice?

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#127 Will
September 25 2013, 11:00AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Ok, maybe I'm being hard on Nichuskin and he was the most talented player available at the #7 pick. The KHL is a great league, but it's not North American hockey. I'd prefer a player that is prepared to go to the AHL if he needs to take that step to adjust his game. Belov signed such a contract. Klefbom will play in the AHL to adapt his game to the smaller surface. Those are the type of guys I want, a high level of dedication to playing in the NHL.

Alex Mikhnov could never adjust his game from KHL to NHL and was unwilling to play in the AHL to help with the transition. Rajala is gone because he can make more money in Europe than in the AHL. Nichuskin carries that risk with him.

Have you been watching any clips of Nichushkin in Dallas pre season. Sending him down to AHL would hinder his development if anything since he would just skate through most of the competition down there. At least up in the NHL he'll have to learn play on both sides of the puck.

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#128 madjam
September 25 2013, 11:45AM
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Quicksilver on the pulse of a lot of fans feelings going into the season , like it or not . Nurse decision seems more economic decision and contract numbers , than his so called lack of not making team .Will Nurse get better going back to Junior again ? Unlikely as he will not be playing with or amongst men . At least in Europe , etc. the better Juniors are playing in men's leagues . Nurse added a strong element we do not have much of and would have helped this years squad . Why they didn't allow him to stay for at least 8 games into season is puzzling - it would have done him well in his progression . I guess they want to give that time to others whom quite frankly are not as good as he . This is a controversial decision that may well backfire .

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#129 Quicksilver ballet
September 25 2013, 11:47AM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

What are you talking about, man? McDavid is TWO years away, so we need to sewer NEXT year too.

Kicking and screaming bud, kicking and screaming... one game at a time. Hard to see the Oilers stuck in neutral for so many years. In three years, after the Oil have turned the corner, there will be nothing to complain about. Instead of passing judgement on Oiler players here on ON i'll need a new hobby.

With the Oilers being the only game in town, I guess we'll just have to force ourselves to like them. Going to be another long year boys...it's good to have a place to come and vent one game at a time.

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#130 Pucker
September 25 2013, 12:18PM
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michael wrote:

Jones on Waivers is not a surprise to me at all. His return from an eye injury has left him tentative. I know from my own experience the effect that this has on ones psyche. I lost my vision in my left eye due to a puck in the eye when I was very young. I did not play sports after that at all. Fear of the loss of my vision totally made me wary of sports and other situations that may have involved danger to my sight.

I said it last year and I'll say it again now. Ryan Jones has lost that part of him that gives him the edge when he is on the ice. I and others have seen it in his play. he is less engaging physically. His best chance in life is to walk away now from hockey and refocus his energies elsewhere. No shame in taking a path that leads to success in other things other than hockey. Ryan Jones was for 2 years a very good Oiler. But the injury he suffered has taken away his edge. It may be by just a little but in hockey as in all sports its that what makes the difference in being a top tier players vs being a minor leaguer.

I too lost the vision in an eye when young. I am quite active in many sports, including hockey and, until recently MMA.

I think it's attitude. He didn't lose vision. He just has to decide to move on and apply himself.

He seems like a good guy. I'm cheering for him but it's all up to him and his mindset. Physically he's able.

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#131 Truth
September 25 2013, 02:01PM
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I thought that the new CBA made it impossible to hide 1-way contracts in the minors. If I am remembering correctly, this means Jones will count towards the cap unless he gets picked up by another team.

Edit: Please disregard. I did not realize we were on page 2 and Romulus' Apotheosis covered this already.

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#132 wiseguy
September 25 2013, 03:06PM
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Previous posts in discussing Omark being placed on waivers:

#6 tileguy September 14 2013, 11:11AM What is interesting is Omark will have to clear waivers to be sent down (I believe) so either he makes the team or he is lost for all time and I can easily see him lighting us up. I still would cheer for him though in different colour silks."

"#11 tileguy September 14 2013, 11:25AM

I think this is a little bit more than over-valuing a prospect. No chance in he!! that he clears. (I'll bet money on that)"

"#45 Scobydoo September 14 2013, 07:09PM Omark 1 year 600k = claimed! If he clears, im gonna start sending cristmas-card to Don Cherry!"

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#133 tileguy
September 25 2013, 03:45PM
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wiseguy wrote:

Previous posts in discussing Omark being placed on waivers:

#6 tileguy September 14 2013, 11:11AM What is interesting is Omark will have to clear waivers to be sent down (I believe) so either he makes the team or he is lost for all time and I can easily see him lighting us up. I still would cheer for him though in different colour silks."

"#11 tileguy September 14 2013, 11:25AM

I think this is a little bit more than over-valuing a prospect. No chance in he!! that he clears. (I'll bet money on that)"

"#45 Scobydoo September 14 2013, 07:09PM Omark 1 year 600k = claimed! If he clears, im gonna start sending cristmas-card to Don Cherry!"

tail between legs wimping to corner. I was really high on Gagne for captain now I want Hallsy. Guess thats why there is a pre season.

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#134 pkam
September 25 2013, 05:08PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

So which of the Oilers current top-four is out? Smid, J.Schultz, Petry or Ference?

Did they just disappear?

Also you aren't including Klefbom and Nurse who will be in the mix next season. And Larsen makes the money are mentioned.

If you think Fedun is battling Potter next year, you aren't paying attention.

When I read that Fedun have to compete with Belov, Klefbom and Marincin for a spot, my initial reaction is all these players are projected to be top 4 so why should Fedun compete with them for a 3rd pairing spot? Especially Below, I don't think he will resign for less than 3M and Fedun will be no more than 1M. So unless we have lot of cap space, Fedun's salary makes him a better candidate than Belov for a 3rd pairing role.

I was at Rexall last night and I like what I saw in Belov, especially that one timer, haven't seen that from our d-men for quite a while. I don't mind to keep all 5 but I doubt salary will allow it when we have to resign JS and Petry.

Not sure who will be out. J. Schultz is a keeper and Ference has a NTC so I guess one of the other 2 cause I like Below more than Petry and Smid.

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#135 bazmagoo
September 25 2013, 05:13PM
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smokey wrote:

Many were commenting on the terrible signing when he could of had Beniot Pouliot or Mason.raymond for less money,. What was MacT thinking signing a guy for 1.5. For every good move MacT made was an equally stupid one.

Couldn't agree more. I thought Jones at $1.5 million was pretty steep. In my opinion we likely could have had him for $1 million or less. That money could have been better spent on David Steckel, in my opinion.

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#136 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 25 2013, 10:50AM
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Jckson wrote:

Hypothetical.

If you could go back to the draft and had a chance to pick one of these players. Who do you pick?

Nurse

Lindholm

Monahan

Nichushkin

Lindholm. Russian. Monahan. Nurse.

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#137 Will
September 25 2013, 10:58AM
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Jones got placed on waivers as well. I guess Eager just out played him for the spot, although maybe one of the younger kids took his spot? Has Hamilton been sent back down yet?

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#138 Ron
September 25 2013, 11:01AM
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Darrell wrote:

Should be fun to watch since we took a tied-man and a rookie center may have made the team due to injuries .... As of now Nurse feels right to me.

I'll answer that question in 5 years

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#139 Will
September 25 2013, 11:10AM
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Jckson wrote:

Hypothetical.

If you could go back to the draft and had a chance to pick one of these players. Who do you pick?

Nurse

Lindholm

Monahan

Nichushkin

Monahan. Especially given our injuries at centre. He wasn't available at 7 though, neither was Lindholm. I am very happy we didn't take Nichushkin, even though at the time I really wanted him.

I only take Monahan because he is having a great camp in Calgary, and I think he could help us out this year on the fourth line, then move up the line up as injuries dictate. Depth at centre is very important in this league.

Having said that, ask this question again in three years when Nurse and Schultz are our top pair defence and I might change my mind.

I would have liked to have seen Yak and Nichushkin play on a line together, but no one is really sure in the scouting reports where Nichushkin plays. Rw, LW, or centre, so if he does play RW, then I'm extra glad we did not take him.

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#140 Doomoil
September 25 2013, 11:21AM
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@Lochenzo

he could make more money in the khl right now, today, then his ELC.

he wants to play in the nhl, and until he actually gives the hint that he's unhappy here in north america i am fully willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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#141 Ducey
September 25 2013, 12:23PM
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Capgeek has the Oilers as having $1.648 M in Cap room. They have adjusted for Jones but not for a few others.

When we take into account the moves in the last 24 hrs we get:

Off the books: Lander $900,000 Eager $125,000 (for his buried contract)

Added salary: Hamilton $600,000 Eager $1,100,000 Arcobello $600,000 Acton $680,000

Adjusted Cap room: $-307,000

What am I missing? It looks like they are over the Cap. Maybe Nuge and Gagner qualify for LTIR?

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#142 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 25 2013, 12:30PM
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Ducey wrote:

Capgeek has the Oilers as having $1.648 M in Cap room. They have adjusted for Jones but not for a few others.

When we take into account the moves in the last 24 hrs we get:

Off the books: Lander $900,000 Eager $125,000 (for his buried contract)

Added salary: Hamilton $600,000 Eager $1,100,000 Arcobello $600,000 Acton $680,000

Adjusted Cap room: $-307,000

What am I missing? It looks like they are over the Cap. Maybe Nuge and Gagner qualify for LTIR?

Don't forget to IR a few cats.

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#143 bazmagoo
September 25 2013, 12:31PM
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Ducey wrote:

Capgeek has the Oilers as having $1.648 M in Cap room. They have adjusted for Jones but not for a few others.

When we take into account the moves in the last 24 hrs we get:

Off the books: Lander $900,000 Eager $125,000 (for his buried contract)

Added salary: Hamilton $600,000 Eager $1,100,000 Arcobello $600,000 Acton $680,000

Adjusted Cap room: $-307,000

What am I missing? It looks like they are over the Cap. Maybe Nuge and Gagner qualify for LTIR?

I believe the Oilers have room because RNH, Yak, and J Schultz all have 2.85 in potential bonuses attached to their entry level deals. I'm not 100% positive, but I think these bonuses are pretty hard to achieve. That 8.55 million total is likely available to the Oilers in cap room.

Plus, as Romulus just stated, RNH, Gags, and Potter are on the IR

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#144 Romulus' Apotheosis
September 25 2013, 12:46PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

I believe the Oilers have room because RNH, Yak, and J Schultz all have 2.85 in potential bonuses attached to their entry level deals. I'm not 100% positive, but I think these bonuses are pretty hard to achieve. That 8.55 million total is likely available to the Oilers in cap room.

Plus, as Romulus just stated, RNH, Gags, and Potter are on the IR

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/

Unless I'm wrong, the bonuses built into ELCs count against the cap in full, whether achieved or not.

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#145 bazmagoo
September 25 2013, 01:43PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/

Unless I'm wrong, the bonuses built into ELCs count against the cap in full, whether achieved or not.

They don't count against the cap, unless achieved.

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#146 wiseguy
September 25 2013, 03:06PM
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Double post. Wished I'd bet tileguy and Scoby, Don is anxiously awaiting his X'mas card.

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#147 wiseguy
September 25 2013, 05:02PM
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@Craig1981

Not to mention that playing your final 23 players in all these back to back exhibition games against the other teams' scrubs would've ended up with major or minor injuries to Hall, Hemsky, Eberle, and all our other smaller skilled players in addition to Gagner.

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#148 Ari Gold
September 25 2013, 06:57PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Belov, Marincin and Klefbom won't all step in as top-four. They have to work their way up. Virtually impossible, Klefbom, Nurse and Marincin will all be top-four in next two years, which is Fedun's most likely window to crack Oilers roster.

Just because someone is projected to be a top-four or 2nd line player, doesn't mean they start there.

I'd steer more respect to your comments Gregs if you weren't wearing hipster glasses in that photo....

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#149 Wax Man Riley
September 25 2013, 07:05PM
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Ari Gold wrote:

I'd steer more respect to your comments Gregs if you weren't wearing hipster glasses in that photo....

Those are Lady Gaga shades btw...

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#150 Oiler Al
September 25 2013, 09:26PM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

If this was game 80 of any of the last 5 years, I get the (deserved) slamming of the Oil at all levels.

But to take such a negative approach before game 1 is in the books?

"inconceivable"

The team looks to be finally turning the corner now. The days of JF Jacques being hyped as a reason to spend your $ on a ticket might now be history.

Might.

For this team, the window is opening.

Cuzer, question.... " finally turning the corner now" ?? Check out the bottom six.. barely got one legit NHL'er there.!

The depth of this team is not what you think it is. You have two centers out of the line up, and depth guy like Ladner, who has been around for a couple of years can't fill the crack, and is sent down to the AHL, only to be replaced by another AHL,er.

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