HEMSKY, MACT TALK AND ROOKIE CAMP OPENS

Jason Gregor
September 04 2013 11:22AM

Oilers training camp officially started today with rookie medicals, however, unlike previous years there isn't as much excitement surrounding the rookies. Oscar Klefbom is the only rookie with a shot at cracking the Oilers lineup, and while he is a first rounder, and could be a huge part of the Oilers future, there isn't the same excitement amongst Oilers fans compared to when Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov and Justin Schultz made their camp debuts.

Klefbom shouldn't take that as a knock on his ability, he's just experiencing what 3rd, 4th and 5th children in a family experience; your parents love you just as much, they just don't go crazy taking pictures of your every move and fawning all over you.

The excitement of another top-prospect still matters, of course, but the feeling in Oilersnation is much different this September than in previous years.

I suspect the excitement surrounding Klefbom will intensify when he comes to main camp next week. There is no need to rush him, but the Oilers blueline isn't filled with proven top-end talent, so he does have a shot, albeit minimal, to make the opening-night roster.

The rookies will fly to Penticton after medicals and get ready to face the rookies of the Jets, Canucks and Flames over the next four days.

In case you missed it, here is the rookie roster, draft picks are in bold.

Forwards:

Defense:

Goalies:

HEMSKY TALKS...

Ales Hemsky and Craig MacTavish stood side-by-side and spoke with the media this morning, and said what most of us expected. MacTavish stated, "In this game you need to have energy to play well, and I think the frustration of losing has a negative effect of zapping that energy level that you need to have success in the NHL. We went about the prospect of potentially moving Ales and Horc (Shawn Horcoff), and I really found out, at the end of the day, that I had a great appreciation of him and his skill set than most people that I talked to. I've seen him at his best and that's why I have a great appreciation of what he does. The bottom line for me, if this team turns around, and I know there is a lot of work to be done before that happens, Ales will have a very prominent role in that turn around.

Hemsky shared his thoughts on how the situation unfolded.

"Like Mac said there was a lot of frustration for me. I understand the process, not being in the playoffs for seven years is hard for every body and you lose it (desire) a little bit. When I talked to Mac before leaving I told him I'd do whatever they want. It is what is now, and I'm happy to be back and I want to help the team turn things around. I want to try and be a leader and help the young guys and be the best for the team. I know I have to change a lot of things, be better and help the team."

It was interesting to hear Hemsky say he wants to try and be more of a leader. He's never mentioned that before that I can recall, and it shows that maybe he understands he can offer the younger players some things.

I'm in the minority, but I feel Hemsky can still be a major contributor to the team. I've always liked his skill, and his skill hasn't evaporated despite two below average seasons. Hemsky could be the wildcard in the Oilers offence. He's the only forward on the team with two 70+ point seasons, and while no one expects him to lead the Oilers in scoring, he should be highly motivated to show many around the NHL he can still produce.

NEEDED TO BE SAID...

I've noticed over the past few years in Edmonton there seemed to be two sets of rules and expectations; one for the kids and one for the veterans, and I don't think that leads to a healthy environment.

The most encouraging thing I got from the presser was the following statement from MacTavish.

"One of the steps we want to make this year is eliminating young guys and old guys from the dialogue surrounding our team. I think there has been far too much of that. We are in the NHL, there is no age requirement to play here, we are all Edmonton Oilers and it doesn't matter how old you are. It is time for us to be a team, and I think that is going to be a big step. 

"Players, regardless of their age are going to get equal opportunity to see where they fit on our team, how they can help us and how valuable they are going to be to our team. There is a part of development that goes into playing on an NHL team, but I think we are far beyond that. We are looking for performance whether you are a 30-year-old player or a 25-year-old player; you are going to be judged on your performance on the ice."

The Oilers are past the point of giving young players ice time. If they play well and earn it, then they will play, but if they don't, then a guy like Hemsky or another veteran will have an equal opportunity for that ice, and vice versa. I agree with MacTavish that the Oilers are past the point of having to give their young players icetime to develop, they are now entering the phase where the players need to earn their icetime, regardless of age.

According to MacTavish, head coach Dallas Eakins will expand on this when camp opens next week.

I doubt you will see them benching Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Nail Yakupov consistently, but it is obvious that the battle or argument of "young vs. old" needs to be in the rear view mirror.

PARTING SHOTS....

  • MacTavish had some other solid quotes from today.
     
  •  "It is important I offer Ales the same opportunity I offer every play who walks through our door at training camp, and that is to come in and compete on a level playing field. It is up to Ales, as it is for Taylor Hall or Denis Grebeshkov and all the players to establish their value to the team. The great thing about training camp is that it is a very optimistic time for 30 teams around the NHL. It is important to me that when you walk through that door at training camp, you walk through with a fresh canvas and you have an opportunity to impress upon the coach how valuable you and your contribution can be to the success of the team." MacTavish.
     
  • "When the team has had success Ales has always been a huge participant in that success. We think that we are going to have success this year. At this point we don't have a contingency plan and how to deal with it, thankfully, but we feel we have the opportunity to turn the corner. I know how good a player he is, and I feel that at the end of the year we could be in a situation where we are doing another contract with Hemsky, but that will be determined over time." Mactavish
     
  • One of the other comments that caught my attention was when MacTavish was asked if he would be less forthcoming and open about his plans in the future. I loved his response. Too often people are scared to publicly state their goals, for fear of not achieving them, but it sounds like MacTavish will not veer away from being open, honest and truthful about his team's situation or his plans to try and improve his club.

    "There is no hidden agenda here. The way I've always dealt with the media is to be as honest as I can. Those were our objectives going in, and I think the media and our fans deserve an explanation of what the manager is thinking going forward. That is why I'm up here today to tell you what I'm thinking now," said MacTavish.

    It takes courage in life to tell people your goals and objectives, because it can expose you to criticism, and i'd say it is even more difficult to do in pro sports where every move a GM makes will be scrutinized.
     
  • You can listen and watch the entire presser here.
     
  • I asked MacTavish if he's looking at bringing in a veteran or two on a PTO. He said he is, but admitted he doesn't expect many players to accept one due to the risk of an injury. He was clear that if he does bring in a veteran it will be a forward, because he feels the Oilers lack depth at the forward position.
     
  • Don't expect Brad Boyes to come to camp. He is more of the same of what they have. Skill with little grit or a strong defensive pedigree.
     
  • Edmontonian Mike Priestner has purchased the Saskatoon Blades of the WHL, pending governor approval. It likely will likely be finalized today or later this week. VP of Communications for the Oilers, Steve Hogle, will be leaving his post with the Oilers to become the new President of the Blades. Good luck to both of you.

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#51 pkam
September 04 2013, 04:32PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

I don't get the undying love for Hemsky. He's a very skilled player, but it's time for him to move on. He knows it, MacT knows it, this presser was window dressing. When his contract is done, anyone see him singing for 2.5 per? That's what a decent third liner makes. I agree he is better than that, but we're stacked at top 6 wings. So let's hope he has a good season, signs an extension at somewhere around 3.75-4, then trade him or package him for a missing piece. It's called using assets wisely, not letting nostalgia handcuff you.

Decent 3 liners only make 2.5 per?

Have you ever heard of Jordan Staal? Remember how much one of the best GM Shero offered to sign him to center their 3rd line?

Have you ever heard of Dave Bolland? An above average 3rd line center, 3.4M.

Oilers just sign Boyd Gordon @3m believed to center our 3rd line because he used to be a 4th liner before we sign him. Is he a decent 3rd liner? We'll find out later.

The bottom line is you don't get decent 3rd liners for 2.5M per.

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#52 Wax Man Riley
September 04 2013, 04:57PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I agree that he speaks well and is way more open then Tambo.

The thing is sometimes you have to play things close to the vest.You don't want to appear to be dealing from a place of weakness.

Next time you go to buy a car tell the salesman how much you love it and you just have to have it.

It is never a good idea to show your hand in business.

I'll tell a car salesman that all day long. Big deal.

The key to a successful negotiation is indifference to the outcome. I'll tell every dealer I love it and want it, but have no problem walking away.

MacT was open and up front, but I'm sure he has no problem keeping Hemsky. He is a very good veteran player.

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#53 Rocket
September 04 2013, 05:10PM
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I'm OK with this little press conference. It clears the air a bit & gives the media hacks and fans something to talk about leading into training camp.

It's not like they're announcing big changes or anything. Hemsky will be an Oiler (most of) this season.

No bigs

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#54 uks ya
September 04 2013, 05:12PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

I am one who is happy that Hemsky is here to start the season and this is because of the following:

1. The likely player or assets' return in a trade for him this summer and/or now is not what MacT nor most knowledgeable fans would have accepted to have gotten back. In other words, if he plays very well and stays healthy he will be valuable trade bait later on (even by the deadline date in March).

2. Gordon as his 3rd line centre will back him up decently to very well. Hemsky still has speed, skill, scoring prowess to make that line successful, while Gordon can skate very good as well...and with Hemsky....he can up his scoring totals easily. This is a definite positive, especially if and when they find a very decent to good left winger which means that Jones or Smyth must be playing very well or another player like Joensuu does. Joensuu - Gordon - Hemsky could be an effective line and this relates to having good puck possession when out there.

3. Hemsky may be on the third line but he will get 2nd PP minutes to pad his time and point totals, if he plays like he should. The bonus is that Hemsky can move all the way up to the 1st line as well if necessary and this does not hurt the team one iota....unless he plays like.... CRAP...

4. The over-all positive is that Eakins will be the coach and with his tech systems that he wants to implement, Hemsky and every other player out there will be doing what they are told to or else sit on the bench... This is a totally important tool for the coach to have/to use cause it works and the other coaches prior (Renney, Quinn, and Krueger) never did this and the team and fans suffered with losses all the time.

Finally its sept 4th and now...Bring On the Training Camps.... To the Rookies....Go play well in Penticton!!!! I know I will be watching and/or listening closely as ususl every start of the year...and then some....lol...til next summer...like many other fans will.

yep!....I been getn trashed weeks ago for putting Joenssu-Gordon_Hemsky on the 3rd unit....too me its a absolutely solid 3rd line!!!!

Joensuu & Belov will SOON be Fan Favs.!! both Huge players that don't get pushed around....both have offense obiltys

you tube Joensuu vs USA or Anton Belov & watch his HUGE hits & absolute bomb from the point!!!

3 scoring lines...we just need some muscle on that 4th line and we would be FINE!!! trade a draft pick or ryan jones to minny for Konopka!!!

>Hall**NUGE**Ebz*Perron-Gagz-Yak*Joensuu-Gordon-Hemmer

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#55 Uksin Eh
September 04 2013, 05:15PM
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*Joensuu & Belov will SOON be Fan Favs.!! both Huge players that don't get pushed around....both have offense obiltys

*you tube Joensuu vs USA or Anton Belov & watch his HUGE hits & absolute bomb from the point!!!

3 scoring lines...we just need some muscle on that 4th line and we would be FINE!!! trade a draft pick or ryan jones to minny for Konopka!!!

**Hall-NUGE-Ebz** **Perron-Gagz-Yak** **Joensuu-Gordon-Hemmer** **Eager-Konopka-Brown** (The MASHING line)

p.s all you (Trashers) go look at Konopka's Faceoff % and Penalty mins via: FIGHTS!!!!

have a nice day :)

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#56 uks
September 04 2013, 05:17PM
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uks ya wrote:

yep!....I been getn trashed weeks ago for putting Joenssu-Gordon_Hemsky on the 3rd unit....too me its a absolutely solid 3rd line!!!!

Joensuu & Belov will SOON be Fan Favs.!! both Huge players that don't get pushed around....both have offense obiltys

you tube Joensuu vs USA or Anton Belov & watch his HUGE hits & absolute bomb from the point!!!

3 scoring lines...we just need some muscle on that 4th line and we would be FINE!!! trade a draft pick or ryan jones to minny for Konopka!!!

>Hall**NUGE**Ebz*Perron-Gagz-Yak*Joensuu-Gordon-Hemmer

stupid thing cut off have of my gawt damn write up....but why?

sorry it showed up twice...and then my last post was what it cut out!

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#57 gazmort
September 04 2013, 05:59PM
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@Wax Man Riley

What is the direction and focus?

I'm not being facetious. I genuinely don't see any, aside from building depth at defense and ignoring the thin center depth.

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#58 Uks Ya
September 04 2013, 07:13PM
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Uksin Eh wrote:

*Joensuu & Belov will SOON be Fan Favs.!! both Huge players that don't get pushed around....both have offense obiltys

*you tube Joensuu vs USA or Anton Belov & watch his HUGE hits & absolute bomb from the point!!!

3 scoring lines...we just need some muscle on that 4th line and we would be FINE!!! trade a draft pick or ryan jones to minny for Konopka!!!

**Hall-NUGE-Ebz** **Perron-Gagz-Yak** **Joensuu-Gordon-Hemmer** **Eager-Konopka-Brown** (The MASHING line)

p.s all you (Trashers) go look at Konopka's Faceoff % and Penalty mins via: FIGHTS!!!!

have a nice day :)

that 4th line of eager-konopka-brown would be perfect to send out the very next shift anybody hassels the top 2 lines...

instead of letting the instigator rule scare us...lets send a message send the 4th line out to attempt a square off, and have FAITH in our P.K to kill of a much needed message that NEEDED to be sent, that if you take libertys with out top 6 we aint scared to kill a pemalty for some pay back!!!!

got eager/ smytty on left, konopka/ lander sharing the middle and Brown im hoping is a regular, i do not remember watching any games and swearing at brown so he is NOT a defensive liability IMO

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#59 The Oilers Shot Clock
September 04 2013, 07:27PM
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@Uks Ya

That's a terrible 4th line. A good power play is way more intimidating than that. The 4th needs to not get scored on. That's it.

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#60 Eddie Shore
September 04 2013, 07:35PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Sure walk away from the deal.Works great unless you want to actually buy a car or make a trade to fill a hole on your hockey team.

Or trading a horrendous contract like Horcoff's... Wait a minute.

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#61 The Oilers Shot Clock
September 04 2013, 07:49PM
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@The Last Big Bear

This team looks miles ahead of last years. Perron is an upgrade over MPS. The defense has honest depth. And the addition by subtraction of guys like Petrell and Whitney is huge. We could of very well had the two worst players in the entire league on our roster last year.

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
September 04 2013, 08:13PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Take your meds.

Katz did not hire Lowe.Katz is not head of hockey operations.If Katz's other businesses where rum like the Oilers he would not be rich enough to buy the team.

C'mon Spydyr

If you take a step back and look at what he (Wax Man) said. His cloaked sarcasm is pretty funny.

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#63 tileguy
September 04 2013, 04:13PM
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Micbilly99 wrote:

While the Oilers really had no choice but to come out with this Press Conference today regarding Hemsky, I think everyone within the organization has to realize that a mistakes we made with this player. Hemsky should never have been re-signed to a two year deal, he should never have been given that much money and MacTavish never should have come out saying Hemsky should move on. By giving him the two year deal, Mactavish stuck the Oilers with an unmovable contract,the dollar amount just compounded the problem. As for stating your plans in advance, I strongly believe that MacTavish made an error here. Having a plan is great and the Oilers very much need one, but you don't have to share it with the world. Work your own plan and keep you competitors guessing as to what you are doing.

As for Hemsky's potential, that's a non-issue. At 30 years of age, what you see is what you get. 15 goals and 40 assists is the top end of what you are going to get. Nothing more, Oiler fans can't expect anything more because he has 'rarely' produced anymore.

55 pts as a 3rd liner, SOLD!!!

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#64 Geoff
September 04 2013, 04:21PM
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The great thing about ales is that on a younger team he is a scoring veteran so I think he fits in and I hope he stays! His jersey is still one of my favs!

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#65 Czar
September 04 2013, 04:30PM
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Oiler rookies will lead the tournament in PIM.We might not win a game but we'll win most of the fights.

Edmonton fans will walk away in love with Kale Kessy and everyone else will hate the SOB.

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#66 pkam
September 04 2013, 04:37PM
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Czar wrote:

Oiler rookies will lead the tournament in PIM.We might not win a game but we'll win most of the fights.

Edmonton fans will walk away in love with Kale Kessy and everyone else will hate the SOB.

I haven't watched him play but noticed he put up a lot of points in the WHL playoff.

I heard his foot speed is his biggest weakness. We pay a high price for him, hope he lives up to the expectation.

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#67 pkam
September 04 2013, 04:55PM
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Micbilly99 wrote:

While the Oilers really had no choice but to come out with this Press Conference today regarding Hemsky, I think everyone within the organization has to realize that a mistakes we made with this player. Hemsky should never have been re-signed to a two year deal, he should never have been given that much money and MacTavish never should have come out saying Hemsky should move on. By giving him the two year deal, Mactavish stuck the Oilers with an unmovable contract,the dollar amount just compounded the problem. As for stating your plans in advance, I strongly believe that MacTavish made an error here. Having a plan is great and the Oilers very much need one, but you don't have to share it with the world. Work your own plan and keep you competitors guessing as to what you are doing.

As for Hemsky's potential, that's a non-issue. At 30 years of age, what you see is what you get. 15 goals and 40 assists is the top end of what you are going to get. Nothing more, Oiler fans can't expect anything more because he has 'rarely' produced anymore.

15 goals and 40 assists is the top end of Hemsky?

05-06 19G 58A 77 pts in 81 games 06-07 13G 40A 53 pts in 64 games 07-08 20G 51A 71 pts in 74 games 08-09 23G 43A 66 pts in 72 games 09-10 (shoulder surgery) 7G 15A 22 pts in 22 games 10-11 (another shoulder surgery) 14G 28A 42 pts in 47 games 11-12 10G 26A 36 pts in 69 games 12-13 9G 11A 20 pts in 38 games

He has been a 70 pts player when he was healthy before his shoulder surgeries. Last 2 years were his only bad years.

11-12, he came back from 2 consecutive shoulder surgeries and was not ready when the season started but was great near the end of the season.

Last year he play the last 10 games with a broken foot from blocking shot.

He was bordered by his health the last 3 season yet he manage to produce more than o.5 ppg and this is only a 3rd liner?

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#68 pkam
September 04 2013, 05:07PM
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Ivan Drago wrote:

Notice I said package him. With a prospect or a pick. Do you have him in your top 6? If he has a good season and signs a decent contract, he may have some value. Considering MacT couldn't trade him all summer, this is the best we can hope for. Or do you think we should just sign him now to a 5yr 25 mill contract? That's great value and asset management. Not.

It all depends on what we will get back.

If trading Hemsky for a 3rd liner, we shouldn't have to add anything. It should be the other side package a prospect or picks to us, like we package Paajarvi and a 2nd round pick for Perron. Unless a decent young and big 3rd line center, then it should be a one on one trade.

If we are getting a top 2 d man or a starting goalie, than I don't mind to package a prospect and/or a pick.

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#69 Dog Train
September 04 2013, 05:12PM
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I'm just excited that the season is right around the corner. If Hemsky is willing to accept his role and conribute to the team even if it's in a third line role, then I am all for him staying. He adds depth to a forward corps that desperately needs it.

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#70 Czar
September 04 2013, 05:16PM
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@pkam

Skating is the issue but the kids got balls. Despised him a little more everytime I saw him play up until he was traded for Rieder. I'm pulling for Kessy and I also hope Bunz can turn things around, kid has all kinds of potential.

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#71 pkam
September 04 2013, 05:33PM
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Czar wrote:

Skating is the issue but the kids got balls. Despised him a little more everytime I saw him play up until he was traded for Rieder. I'm pulling for Kessy and I also hope Bunz can turn things around, kid has all kinds of potential.

Ryan Martindale is a pretty good CHL player, similar size as Kessy and same weakness - foot speed and defensive game and he is going nowhere in AHL.

I am hoping for the best but not completely sold until he starts to play in OKC.

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#72 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 04 2013, 07:39PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Take your meds.

Katz did not hire Lowe.Katz is not head of hockey operations.If Katz's other businesses where rum like the Oilers he would not be rich enough to buy the team.

you had me at rum

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#73 oilerjed
September 04 2013, 08:23PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

That's a terrible 4th line. A good power play is way more intimidating than that. The 4th needs to not get scored on. That's it.

An intimidating power play is one that is the top 10- check One that has a second PP line that is a serious threat to score- check If we get a few more points from the D they might crack the top 5

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#74 uks ya!
September 04 2013, 09:22PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

That's a terrible 4th line. A good power play is way more intimidating than that. The 4th needs to not get scored on. That's it.

Konopka wins draws which gives us the puck!

Eager, Smyth, Brown are all not Bad defensively, what we need is a 4th line that can win draws, Grind, HIT, create ENERGY and chill out whoever the F%#K touches our 1st two lines!!!

:)

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#75 Harry
September 05 2013, 12:24AM
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Heading to Penticton tomorrow to watch some hockey!! Cant wait to see Nurse and Klef. Also cant wait to watch Kessy bury Monahan open ice style!!

Then on sunday its time for our boys to make Horvat and Gaunce look like they still belong in junior. Cant wait!!

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#76 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 06:21AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

you had me at rum

A typo is the best you have. Great argument there.

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#77 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 05 2013, 06:49AM
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Spydyr wrote:

A typo is the best you have. Great argument there.

no, i was trying to find some humour in your constant barrage of negative nancy musings that have started to coat these boards.

take the broom stick out of your a$$ and relax

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#78 Czar
September 05 2013, 08:07AM
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pkam wrote:

Ryan Martindale is a pretty good CHL player, similar size as Kessy and same weakness - foot speed and defensive game and he is going nowhere in AHL.

I am hoping for the best but not completely sold until he starts to play in OKC.

I'm far from sold but if Kessy and Martindale skate into the corner, Kessy comes out with his keys,wallet and his girlfriends phone number. Kale has all the qualities the Oilers need in a 4th line guy, I HOPE he can make it.

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#79 Czar
September 05 2013, 09:28AM
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Harry wrote:

Heading to Penticton tomorrow to watch some hockey!! Cant wait to see Nurse and Klef. Also cant wait to watch Kessy bury Monahan open ice style!!

Then on sunday its time for our boys to make Horvat and Gaunce look like they still belong in junior. Cant wait!!

Had to cancel my plans last minute, was really looking forward to it. Keep us up to date or offer up your opnion on how they look if you can? Enjoy dude and try not to punch out any Shame or Nuck fans.

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#80 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:22AM
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Czar wrote:

I'm far from sold but if Kessy and Martindale skate into the corner, Kessy comes out with his keys,wallet and his girlfriends phone number. Kale has all the qualities the Oilers need in a 4th line guy, I HOPE he can make it.

You have watched him play and I haven't so I hope you are right. Pitlick is another prospect which has a lot of potential which haven't materialize. How is Kessy compare to Pitlick?

The one forward I am most interested in at the moment is Jujhar Khaira.

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#81 Czar
September 05 2013, 11:31AM
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@pkam

Pitlick looked great the few times I saw him in junior, thought he was going to be a hell of a pick but have no reasonable explanation as to what's gone wrong with him? Or Bunz for that matter, here I go again, Bunz should be further along in his development but the Oiler system is where goaltending prospects go to die.

I've never seen Khaira play live so I have to go by what the reports say thus far but I'll definately keep an eye on him if he plays in the WHL.

Cheers Dude!

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#82 mrBacon
September 05 2013, 03:35PM
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I don't think it's entirely fair to say the level of excitement for Klefbom isn't the same. Maybe different, but I have been longing for help on the blue line for a very long time now. I am tremendously excited at the prospect of a definite blue line upgrade, especially with MacT's failure to provide one through trade over the summer which is something a lot of people expected. Realistically we all know that the impact Klefbom makes won't necessarily be immediate, but it's like slowly building up to the surprise rather than tearing open the package as fast as you can.

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