THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#1 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 08:39PM
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The Hemsky hate is strong in this article.

Maybe Mactavish realized that Hemsky can help the Oilers more than an inferior player that would be offered in a trade?

For years Hemsky was the only real skill keeping this team afloat now that he is less shiny everyone piles on player. I just don't get the hate the media has for Hemsky.

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#2 Zarny
September 04 2013, 11:18PM
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@DSF

Clarkson is a 29 y/o undrafted player who spent years in the minors, 4 years on the 4th line and scored 30 G once playing with Elias, Parise and Kovalchuk. After a hot start last year he finished with 5G in 34 games. That's 12G over 82 games.

The peak points by age in the NHL is 25 and after 29 it's all downhill. David Clarkson is not the type of player to beat the average and has all of the signs of a player who had a career year in the right situation. Doubtful he ever scores 30 again and in 1-2 years he'll be back on the 4th line.

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#3 Kodiak
September 04 2013, 10:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

And I'll wager he never puts up a season matching Hemsky's PPG. Keep on cherry pickinG DSF. It's the only thing you are good at.

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#4 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 09:22PM
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So Robin, what MacT and Ales didn't say is what YOU speculate? Now that is some spin.

MacT did pretty much say he couldn't get what he wanted for Hemsky though:

"We went about the prospect of potentially moving Ales and Horc (Shawn Horcoff), and I really found out, at the end of the day, that I had a great appreciation of him and his skill set than most people that I talked to. I've seen him at his best and that's why I have a great appreciation of what he does. "

And Hemsky did acknowledge that all the losing had gotten him down:

"Like Mac said there was a lot of frustration for me. I understand the process, not being in the playoffs for seven years is hard for every body and you lose it (desire) a little bit."

I think he came off pretty sincere, and its true that Hemsky can really help this team. Even if he only plays to his last two years boxcars he's a better bet than anyone else to fill a role on this team. Ryan Jones can't hold a candle and he doesn't get half the flack from the Nation. Add that to the list of things I will never understand.

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#6 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 04 2013, 10:36PM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

Be very afraid??

Please oh wise one, tell us why,

then shut the hell up.

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#7 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:27PM
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@DSF

How many 50 pt seasons does Clarkson have?

And he got to play on a good team, while Hemsky got to play with... well...

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#8 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 09:51PM
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DSF wrote:

Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

But DSF, Hansen played 9 more games than Hemmer did this season. I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but in a short season that's a 5th of the games. Hansen also has no history of huge production in the NHL, while Hemsky has a NHL career pts/gm of .755.

It's a terrible comparison. The worst part is, you know that it's a terrible comparison, and you choose to use it anyways.

Even last year Hemmer still had a .526 pts/gm. I'd take that for a guy playing on the 3rd line. Depth is a good thing isn't it?

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#9 OilClog
September 04 2013, 11:05PM
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Hemsky > Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Clarkson

Hemsky is the superior player to all mentioned above. Eat it.

Brian Burke has not turned Toronto around, Vancouver is still CUP LESS!, Anaheim was a gift from Pronger's wife

6 cups will always have 6 cups, Burke..1?

Toronto made the playoffs under Nonis.

Good Grief

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#10 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:34PM
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DSF wrote:

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

pray tell, how much younger is Clarkson than Hemsky?

8 whole months? Wow.

You're the worst.

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#11 Darrell
September 04 2013, 11:23PM
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DSF wrote:

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

DSF - what exactly do you reminisce about ? Two trips to the finals and no Cup ? We think about six SC and two trips to the finals with no Cup ..... Your pathetic!

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#12 oilerman53
September 04 2013, 11:31PM
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David Clarkson has to be this generations Chris Simon. Its always a great story too, good ol tough kid scores 30 in the NHL, feels he can contribute more in the long run. Clarkson wants to style his play after Wendel Clarke. Yeesh this guy is really reaching for the sky, why the hell we talking about Clarkson anyways? Oh yeah DSF has yet another ramble fest about how x player trumps Oilers player.

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#13 Ivan Drago
September 05 2013, 05:54AM
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Another comments section dominated by feeding time for the troll. When will people learn.

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#14 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 09:42PM
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@Robin Brownlee

"What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero."

So an unquestionably talented Czech winger with only 1 year left on his contract has zero market value? Deeming that Hemsky has no market value is selling the player short and speaks to the opinion of the writer on said player. On the flip side a more positive view would believe that Mactavish values Hemsky for the quality player that he is and felt that equal/fair value was not offered so he chose to retain him.

Also, you've been shoving Hemsky out the door for some time. A quick search regarding your Hemsky articles here at Oilers nation proves as much.

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#15 Czar
September 05 2013, 09:14AM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

With Feaster,King and Burke calling the shots in Calgary the only ones who should be afraid are the buffet owners.

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#16 Dave
September 04 2013, 11:01PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

I was always amused when Serious Gord phoned in to Stauffer trying to give the impression that was some sort of hockey insider rather than the typical fan that we all are.

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#17 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 10:12PM
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DSF wrote:

Someone else is an idiot so MacT is a genius?

Or maybe there are 2 idiots?

Or maybe 30, which would explain why Hemsky has no value while everyone went chasing after Clarkson.

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#18 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 11:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

The original discussion in question was not the cap hit of the 3rd line, but whether good players i.e Hemsky can play on the 3rd line(checking role/Secondary offense role). Also, Hemsky's cap hit was perfectly acceptable for a top 6 forward and he is still capable of filling that role.

As for Stan Bowman's "supposed" 3rd line for the upcoming season:

Saad is still on his ELC. Handzus is 36 and may or may not be capable of still playing a 3rd line role. Jimmy Hayes is on his ELC and only played 10 games last season.

DSF please keep the conversation on track and stay focused.

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#21 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 10:09PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

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#22 They're $hittie
September 05 2013, 08:19AM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

Your using a qualitative version of smarter. Do you know what their IQ is?

He turned around Vancouver fiscally. While he did get some pieces of the current canucks, he was not around or involved in the building of the finished product. You could practically say this about tambo in 5 years.

He inherited the team in Anaheim, and had Lowes hands tied with the Pronger situation. So in reality he did not trun Anaheim around or win a cup with them he inherited the cup and the situation.

Yes he use to win trades. Now no one trades with him anymore. So lets see how much he wins going forward.

No patients for being a loser applies to Tambo. Mac T has been on the job for 6 months. Also another stupid qualitative measurement strummed up by DSF.

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#24 uks ya!
September 04 2013, 09:32PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

Hemsky yes, KiNda....

HOWEVER.....if 1 of our top 6 go down with a serious injury then we love Mac for keeping hemmer around!

and if you mean old ballz Shultz? as the over paid dman then yes I very much agree, but if you mean Ladi, then buddy...u went from getting props to trashed!

cheers!

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#25 Darrell
September 04 2013, 10:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

Hope Nonnis stocked up on lip stick too as the Hemsky scenario is minor distraction in Edmonton - it's all relative and depends on what side of the tracks you live on folks ...

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#26 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:19PM
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OilLeak wrote:

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

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#27 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 10:01AM
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DSF wrote:

None of what happened 5 years ago means a pinch of coon kaka.

Nor does a trip to the finals 7 year ago.

Who will deliver the best value this coming season?

Anyone who think it's Hemsky needs to give their head a shake.

DSF, same deal as before - you never seem to take these up, though, for some strange reason...

Here's the bet

Hemsky outscores Clarkson this year (total points, straight up). If Hemsky does it, you stop posting on this blog immediately. If Clarkson outscores Hemsky (hahaha), I will post on here that DSF is king and applaud every one of your assinine comments for eternity.

No, I am serious. We all hate you and want you to stop posting utter bullsh*t, but this is your chance to prove your "knowledge". I am proposing this bet and challenging you to actually back one of your ignorant comments.

May the best man win....

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#28 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:22PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Absolutely Good players can be redundant. Should we stock the team with just good defense men? Silly comment on its face.

As for buying him out - yes Katz gets stuck with 1/3 the salary but the gets ALL of the five million in cap - something we have virtually none of now and we have a Player - hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for. And thus the team limps into the beginning of a new season with stark deficiencies.

I'm not so sure you're right. If every one of those defensemen were Bobby Orr calibre, you could absolutely fill out a team full of Dmen, save for goal.

Also this assessment, "hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for", is ridiculous. We don't need players who are good at pushing play the other way, good at gaining the offensive zone, and setting up plays? I don't know a single hockey team that has no need for that. Not one.

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#29 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 06:41AM
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Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year.

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#30 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:30AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

Agreed. Hemsky is better at hockey and Clarkson is better at crashing into the boards.

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#31 Where's Your Towel
September 04 2013, 09:01PM
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@OilLeak

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the suggestion that this team has been in any way afloat.

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#32 oilerjed
September 04 2013, 10:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

The contract has been signed for a year already, you cant take it back. If there wasnt an offer that could at least return equal points, why bother? We would have had to retain at least 1/3 of his salary either way. Buying him out doesn't work either as we still need to fill his spot with at least an equal body, which after the buyout would leave us where we are now cash wise in the end. Your beef with MacT doesnt change the reality of the situation, the Oilers already have to pay Hemsky and since he is pretty damn good anyway, why not keep him for a year and smile? Trade him at the deadline for a pick if there is interest,but why ruin our depth now?

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#33 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:49PM
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@Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

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#34 DSF
September 04 2013, 09:15PM
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Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

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#35 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 10:02PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

Good players are never redundant.

Also if there wasn't such a young guns/veteran dichotomy on the team, and hemsky was offered the cushy minutes that eberle and yak have gotten the last 3 years, hemmer would not be talked about as being a 3rd liner. As it stands he may still be the best RW on the team, now. For the future? No. Now? Quite possibly.

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#36 RMGS
September 05 2013, 09:19AM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

Hahahahahaha!....Hahahahahaah!....Hahaha!....

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#37 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:25AM
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DSF wrote:

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

Is that the same 1.35M contract he signed coming off of seasons of 29, 15, and 21 points?

Let me try your system.

Remember when Stamkos scored 51 goals on a 3.725 cap hit? That's what smart GMs do.

Did I do it right?

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#38 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:29AM
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DSF wrote:

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

2 ELCs and a 36 year old who has been in decline for a while. Got it.

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#39 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 12:29PM
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Personally I don't want to see DSF go away. Love how he riles you guys up! I enjoy watching you all trash the hell out of him regardless of whether his post has merit or not.

I personally enjoy a non Kool-Aid drinking view here. How lame would this site be if all the posts were rosy, sunshine filled drivel all the time?

Challenge of the status quo is a good thing. We need more of it and less sense of entitlement in todays world.

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#40 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 08:41PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

Don't look at the current depth chart as lines 1, 2, and 3. Think of the team now possessing a 1, 2A, and 2B lines.

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#41 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 05 2013, 06:57AM
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DSF wrote:

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

edit: Ivan Drago was right in post #63.

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#42 Smokey
September 05 2013, 09:18AM
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Haters can suck it. Hemsky was great the first part of the year and the team was a playoff team. He got hurt, and the team began to struggle and fall outta the playoff hunt. Once he was outta the line-up, Oilers could not score or win. Hemsky was intricate to the team success providing secondary scoring. Outside of the top line the other teams did not have to concentrate on the teams secondary scoring. Gagner did jack after Hemsky got hurt. Haters can hate, but facts are facts Hemsky is an important piece, and a return needs to be decent. I hope he plays out his year, we buy him a Harley to say thanks for 12 years being the only decent player we had to watch, and actually choosing Edmonton. Hemsky in my estimation is like Weight, Smyth in terms of his importance to the Oilers in his career. Lets enjoy one last year of him embarrassing X-dmen and the wish him well with another team next year.

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#43 Kodiak
September 04 2013, 09:10PM
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Too much of a risk with his injury history for teams to give up much for Hemsky and not much risk and possible big rewards to keep him. Not real tough to understand.

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#44 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:53PM
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Kodiak wrote:

And I'll wager he never puts up a season matching Hemsky's PPG. Keep on cherry pickinG DSF. It's the only thing you are good at.

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

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#45 DSF
September 04 2013, 11:35PM
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None of what happened 5 years ago means a pinch of coon kaka.

Nor does a trip to the finals 7 year ago.

Who will deliver the best value this coming season?

Anyone who think it's Hemsky needs to give their head a shake.

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#46 pkam
September 05 2013, 09:32AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

Hemsky has been consistently a 70 pt player, except the last 2 years when he is having health problem.

Clarkson is a 30-40 pt player except one year. Wait until he has some health problem and we will see how well his contract becomes.

If Hemsky can bounce back to his form, his 5 million contract will be a steal compare to Clarkson's 8 year 5.25M contract.

You can say we won't make the playoff without pronger, but do you think we will make the playoff without Roloson, or Hemsky in that year. Hemsky and Roloson are the other key players that we won't make the playoff without them.

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#47 Eulers
September 04 2013, 08:36PM
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Picture at top: "Lipstick and a pig."

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#48 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 09:16PM
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Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

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#49 Zarny
September 04 2013, 11:03PM
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It's obviously spin. Hemsky is off the market till the trade deadline because isn't worth $5M/yr.

Everyone knows the Oilers need to add size. The top 6 are among the smallest group in the NHL.

Ergo small, skilled forwards are not what they need on the 3rd and 4th line.

Hemsky is good. There will be a buyer at the trade deadline when the price tag isn't $5M. Unless he gets hurt. Then he'll just walk for nothing as a UFA.

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#50 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:04PM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

Largely accurate reposte.

However Burke is not without his weaknesses:

Far too pro american - Wilson, kessel etc.

Pretty weak judge of goalie talent

Kessel trade was a disaster caused largely by his misjudging how good the leafs defense and goaltending was (it wasn't).

Biggest flaw - his mouth. Became a liability to the team both in van and in Toronto.

Could be a move up for cgy - cant be any worse than feaster. But ken king and he will not get along - one of them will be out the door within two seasons.

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