THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#51 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:42PM
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@Serious Gord

Though the first paragraph was in jest, I believe the idea still has merit to the discussion.

If you had 4 defensemen very similar in ability to a great like Orr, would you trade one of them just so you could get a Hal Gill type? Because the common hockey narrative says you need one of the those?

That's incredibly foolish in my mind.

Also, the oilers have tried to get the bigger players to to complement. Eager, Jacques, Stortini, Jones, Hartikanen, Jesse Joensuu, Brown, Hordichuck. These types of players are not the answer.

Just because Hemsky isn't valued around the league, doesn't mean he doesn't have value to this team.

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#52 Butters
September 04 2013, 11:55PM
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I more worried that Brownlee knows what a "Trisha Pasnak Infiniti dress" is.

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#53 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:36AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Not one of the players you cite is on a third line of a good team. The oil needs 2/3 line level of fierceness/physicality.

Hemsky has negative value everywhere including here. 5$mm is far too much dough.

I don't think "negative value" means what you think it means.

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#54 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 09:31PM
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Where's Your Towel wrote:

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the suggestion that this team has been in any way afloat.

Too true.

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#55 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

But DSF, Hansen played 9 more games than Hemmer did this season. I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but in a short season that's a 5th of the games. Hansen also has no history of huge production in the NHL, while Hemsky has a NHL career pts/gm of .755.

It's a terrible comparison. The worst part is, you know that it's a terrible comparison, and you choose to use it anyways.

Even last year Hemmer still had a .526 pts/gm. I'd take that for a guy playing on the 3rd line. Depth is a good thing isn't it?

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

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#56 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:40PM
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OilLeak wrote:

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

Outlandish?!

Comrie Souray Horcoff contract Hiring the coaches who were friends Six rings Bold And on and on and on. When you get a chance read what the hockey news says about oilers management in their yearbook. They have a horrible reputation - deservedly so - league-wide.

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#57 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:20PM
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VK63 wrote:

Old Arnie must need prop up pills for that one. Nasty.

Back in the day she was quite um, tappable.

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#58 Batfink
September 05 2013, 07:02AM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

3) That's great, I still own a VCR!

6) K-Lowe has 6!! Just ask him!

And I thought it only sporting that you should say "shut the hell up" in the form of a haiku. Or you could be the limerick man.

BTW, will try to find the link, but if you you-tube brian burke fake interview, it's hilarious. Nazem effin Kadri!

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#59 Woogie63
September 04 2013, 08:33PM
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We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

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#60 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 04 2013, 08:35PM
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I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Worth a second look- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjxo4b_mrs-brown-gets-a-bikini-wax_shortfilms

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#61 DSF
September 04 2013, 09:21PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

This.

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#62 Oil Noggin
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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Hemmer has been injured for a good chunk of time each of last four seasons. His scoring is down due to health and he is being paid 5 million to play half of each season. To top it off he is somehow injured almost every trade deadline. I won't be the only one who isn't surprised when the oil do not get full value for him.

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#63 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:08PM
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Darrell wrote:

Hope Nonnis stocked up on lip stick too as the Hemsky scenario is minor distraction in Edmonton - it's all relative and depends on what side of the tracks you live on folks ...

Someone else is an idiot so MacT is a genius?

Or maybe there are 2 idiots?

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#64 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:33PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

I'm not so sure you're right. If every one of those defensemen were Bobby Orr calibre, you could absolutely fill out a team full of Dmen, save for goal.

Also this assessment, "hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for", is ridiculous. We don't need players who are good at pushing play the other way, good at gaining the offensive zone, and setting up plays? I don't know a single hockey team that has no need for that. Not one.

Your first para is obviously in jest.

All teams need what hemsky has but the oil already has that covered quite amply. What the oil needs - what he and his 5mm$ cap hit blocks - is a player who can play fiercely and physically at a second/first line level. (Gagner is also an impediment in this regard.)

On the oil he is surplus product like having too lots of syrup at a pancake breakfast and not enough batter.

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#65 RMGS
September 05 2013, 09:28AM
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Robin, you admit that Hemsky is an "unquestionably talented winger," but then say that you "don't buy" that "Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward."

What do you have against the Oilers having a roster deep in good players? Why can't an "unquestionably talented winger" be a part of a successful Oilers team?

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#66 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:11AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

It isn't all about points. Clarkson has a physical dimension that is non existent with hemsky (which is why MacT tried to get him)

Eight freaking years ago hemsky was a vastly better Player than he is now and the team had a huge dearth of scoring talent. It is completely different today.

Clarkson is a better version of Jones.

I understand how he fits better into our roster need than Hemsky, but 5.25M for 8 years is a very risky commitment, much worse than the 5.0M 2 years we commit on Hemsky.

Jones had been great for us for 2 years and what happened last year after an eye injury? Wait until Clarkson has some health problem which is almost a guarantee for physical players.

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#67 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:06PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

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#68 StuckOutHere
September 05 2013, 02:41PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

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#69 OilClog
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

Actually Hemsky is far from a One DIMENSIONAL player.. He's very slick at the puck retrieval, as to why it's so damn appealing for Ales to be in a checking role.

There is a market for Ales Hemsky, what there isn't a market for.. Making a sensible trade that will help improve the Edmonton Oilers, by moving Ales Hemsky. As MacT stated, he didn't find what he found as an acceptable return. This is a GM that knows how to protect his Value, whether you dimwit trolls can recognize it or not is obviously a different debate.

The guy plays a dozen games on a broken foot and still the media and trolls alike try to say his work ethic, drive, desire, passion, compete levels isn't there. He goes into every damn tough area puck battle there is on the ice. If Ales Hemsky was named Steve House, Ales Hemsky would be a freaking God among Men in MSM land.

Good Grief

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#70 Poolanov
September 04 2013, 09:06PM
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Strange... looks like that lady's throat has been enlarged somehow or by something.

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#71 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 09:52PM
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OilLeak wrote:

"What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero."

So an unquestionably talented Czech winger with only 1 year left on his contract has zero market value? Deeming that Hemsky has no market value is selling the player short and speaks to the opinion of the writer on said player. On the flip side a more positive view would believe that Mactavish values Hemsky for the quality player that he is and felt that equal/fair value was not offered so he chose to retain him.

Also, you've been shoving Hemsky out the door for some time. A quick search regarding your Hemsky articles here at Oilers nation proves as much.

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

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#72 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:22PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Or maybe 30, which would explain why Hemsky has no value while everyone went chasing after Clarkson.

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

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#73 madjam
September 04 2013, 10:31PM
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Hemsky a top line winger , and second line at worst . He is not a 3-4th line type player .

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#74 VK63
September 04 2013, 11:13PM
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Old Arnie must need prop up pills for that one. Nasty.

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#75 ubermiguel
September 05 2013, 08:53AM
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Brownlee, never agreed more with one of your articles. The dog and pony show yesterday was the classiest way possible to handle Hemsky not getting traded. It kills all the media chatter and builds up Hemsky’s confidence going into camp. MacT must have learned by watching Tambo and Gillis how NOT to handle a player that was on his way out but doesn’t quite make it to the door.

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#76 bdiddy18
September 05 2013, 09:15AM
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Should the Oilers be competing by Trade Deadline Day - Hemsky would be the type of player addition you would want for a playoff push.

Kid goes from the best thing Oilers had drafted/developed through their system for a decade talent/skill wise to a persona non grata with fans. brutal!

Ales Hemsky could be the Petr Sykora of the championship Devils and later Penguins. Its a fair comparision and Sykora was no slouch of a player who got to play with more talent in his career.

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#77 Lochenzo
September 05 2013, 09:27AM
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@ DSF: Brian Burke is not the guy you want if you are doing a complete rebuild. Burke's ego makes him too impatient for a rebuild.

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#78 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:34AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Brave bet. When was the last time Hemmer played a full season?

Hemmer wins hands down if he stays healthy, he will want to be at the Olympics so expect a fast start from him.

The big question can he still play 82 games?

Can Hemsky play a full season again? Nobody knows. You have to gamble. With a 5.0M 2 years contract, if you win, you win big, if you lose, you lose little.

Hall couldn't finish 82 games his first 2 years, and he couldn't start the season on time last year, should we assume he can never play 82 games?

And the same with RNH too. He only played 62 games his 1st year and he has to finish early last year for his surgery and probably will miss the first month this year. He probably won't be able to play 82 games for his whole career.

Do you know if Clarkson will play 82 games for all the 8 years in his contract?

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#79 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:22AM
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spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

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#80 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Please expand on this "Hemsky hate" you refer to. What sentence or paragraph, or overall tone for that matter, indicates "hate" for Hemsky? Do tell.

I don't know about OilLeak, but for me, your whole articles and all your assumptions in it reak of negativity-which can be related to hate or a strong dislike.

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#81 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 01:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

It is an opinion piece! The market for Hemsky was ZERO. Hence the reason he was not traded. No expertise required to figure that one out.

It is public knowledge that Hemsky has been on the block for at least 3 years.

Here is why Hemsky is not likely a part of the Oilers future.

1. Cap hit 2. Injury history 3. Work ethic

If Hemsky is still here after the deadline, and the Oilers are still in the picture, he will either walk for nothing at the end of the season as a UFA, or will be offered an extension at around 3-3.5 per. unlikely he will accept this number or a regular 3rd line role as he is still at an age where HE feels he is still a top 6 guy worth 4-5 mil per.

Brownlee's OPINION seems pretty accurate in my eyes.

Of course that is just my OPINION.

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#82 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:44PM
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@2004Z06

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

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#83 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 03:12PM
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Spydyr wrote:

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

That's the point. DSF shoots off his mouth until it gets out of hand and he leaves stupid messages like "gagner is mediocre" and "clarkson is better value than Hemsky and will outscore him" then cowards away from challenges. He hasn't responded because he knows that even if hemmer plays 60 games (could play way more for the record) on the 3rd line with Boyd Gordon that he will still out score a meathead like clarkson. Case closed

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#84 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:18PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#85 DonDon
September 05 2013, 03:54PM
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Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

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#86 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 04:09PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#87 David S
September 05 2013, 06:15PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

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#89 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 09:53PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

He could pick the terms if he wanted to, but he never responds when the other end of the deal is that he stop posting on this site.

I don't trash him to feel good about myself, and such an implication is foolish at best. Maybe you come on this site to feel better about yourself, but then if you are an Oilers fan, you must be a masochist... I am a proud Oiler fan, and I know there was not a lot to be proud about over the last 6-7 years. I would argue that Oiler fans in general (and I hate speaking in generalities) are quite intelligent and well-meaning, and do engage in debate in meaningful ways on a variety of sites, which as a whole, constitute one of the best collection of opinions offered for any NHL team. Agreed?

I don't need some a**hole know it all whose comments border on insanity tell sensible Oiler fans what there is to dislike about this team. Especially when he speaks in hyperbole. I don't need to come on here and have every conversation dominated by someone who always wants the last word and the wrong word on any matter Oilers. It is a joke, frankly. I challenge him to this bet so that if I win (and healthy Hemsky vs Clarkson is no contest), we do not have to put up with his BS any longer. It completely detracts from the point of this site, and while it is within his right of free speech, it impinges upon the rights of other fans to engage in productive conversation.

He continues to cower away from any challenges. I know now and have evidence from several exchanges that when he is challenged with facts, he produces irrelevant ones or backs away. He has done the latter today.

But thanks dude for your insight, I bet you are a forensic pscyhologist by day.

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#90 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 10:57PM
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For those of you who are having trouble understanding DSF, he has created his own language, called DSelFish

While he continues to post comments that most of us who are unfamiliar with this language do not understand, I think I will try to help us decipher it every now again. Let me present DSFish encyclopedia, entry #1:

1) Mediocre - 1st round draft pick who has scored less than NHL 260 pts by the age of 24, less than 9 points in an NHL game, less than 4 Oilers franchise records, and has less than 2 gold and 2 silver medals representing Canada in international play. 2) Clarkson - a 4th line player who has never had more than 16 assists in a season. See also: player who is worth $5 million per season. See also: player who is worth more than any Oiler who has won an olympic medal, a WC gold, helped lead a team to game 7 of SCF, and has scored 0.82 ppg over the last 8 seasons/467 games played. 3) Oiler NHLE (relative to NJD players) - 0.528 (pts/game), 0.38 (career pts) 4) Minnesota prospect - see also: Sidney Crosby or Nicklas Lidstrom 5) The need to give one's head a shake - warranted when someone rationally believes that a skilled Oiler with a great NHL resume is more valuable to his team than a "gritty" forward with a one year track record and a new 37 million contract that has prevented his team from re-signing Kadri. 6) Brian Burke - see: Messiah 7) "I'll wager that" - I'll wager nothing when called out. 8) "not much" - when referred to a Canadian player, refers to any such player who was not invited to 2014 Canadian Olympic orientation camp. also see: Iginla, also see: Jamie Benn, also see: Ribeiro, Moulson, Kadri, Pacioretty, Nugent-Hopkins 9) Oilers NHLE (

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#91 Oil Noggin
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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Hemmer has been injured for a good chunk of time each of last four seasons. His scoring is down due to health and he is being paid 5 million to play half of each season. To top it off he is somehow injured almost every trade deadline. I won't be the only one who isn't surprised when the oil do not get full value for him. The kid has skills but no teams want to take on that risk.

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#92 DSF
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Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

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#93 Batfink
September 05 2013, 08:33AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u28I6faWuU

Found it! Start your day with a chuckle on me!

Nazem effin Kadri!

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#94 Batfink
September 05 2013, 08:53AM
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Anybody read Spector's 'City of Losers' article on Sportsnet? Apart from the usual bone-headed statements, it is really quite an awful article. One sentence paragraphs? Seriously? You, sir, are a tabloid hack.

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#95 shanetrain
September 05 2013, 10:33AM
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You better hope DSF doesn't take the bet.

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#96 pkam
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tileguy wrote:

spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

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#97 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 02:12PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

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#98 Dangilitis
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DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

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#99 2004Z06
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#100 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:21PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

Not presuming anything, look it up.

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