THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#101 pkam
September 05 2013, 03:24PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

1. Cap Hit - Whose contract is worse in terms of cap hit, Horcoff's 2 year at 5.5M or Hemsky's 1 year at 5M? If Horcoff can be traded, I don't see any reason Hemsky's contract is untradeable.

2. Injury history - Hemsky was pretty healthy before 09-10. He had a shoulder surgery in 09-10 which limited him to 22 games. He returned in 10-11 and required surgery to the other shoulder. Then he took some time in the beginning of 11-12 to heal his shoulder. And he had no more health problem. This pass season he broke his foot blocking a shot, is this a health problem? If you compare his health record to Horcoff, he is not any worse than Horcoff. Actually, he played 38 games last year when Horcoff only plays 31 games.

3. Work Ethic - I don't see any problem with his on ice ethic. About his off ice ethic, I am not allowed in the dressing room nor have a chance to practice with him so I really don't know.

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#102 Eddie Shore
September 05 2013, 05:04PM
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I'm sick of hearing Spector et al piss and moan how Hemsky is always first off the ice. He's been in this league for 10 years, I doubt he is all of sudden going to change his ways. Get over it already.

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#103 Quicksilver ballet
September 05 2013, 06:07PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

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#104 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 07:19PM
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@Oiler Al

Just to be clear - Hemsky is a bad player because he turns the puck over a lot?

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#105 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 11:03PM
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9) Oilers NHLE (less than 25 years old, relative to rest of league): to be reduced by yet to be determined factor, secondary to "inflated point totals by Oilers out of desperate need by team to sell tickets") 10) "Desperation to sell tickets" - refers to non-existent needs of a team whose franchise has missed the playoffs for 6 years and still sells out every home game 11) "long history of mediocre captains" - when reference is to an NHL team, a team whose captains have included the 2 career leading points scorers. Also see: team whose captains (F & D) have produced 0.84 points per game while adorning the "C."

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#106 SlowTalker
September 04 2013, 09:11PM
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Could the Belov's PED usage be an issue when it comes to a work visa?

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#107 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:34PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Good players are never redundant.

Also if there wasn't such a young guns/veteran dichotomy on the team, and hemsky was offered the cushy minutes that eberle and yak have gotten the last 3 years, hemmer would not be talked about as being a 3rd liner. As it stands he may still be the best RW on the team, now. For the future? No. Now? Quite possibly.

Absolutely Good players can be redundant. Should we stock the team with just good defense men? Silly comment on its face.

As for buying him out - yes Katz gets stuck with 1/3 the salary but the gets ALL of the five million in cap - something we have virtually none of now and we have a Player - hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for. And thus the team limps into the beginning of a new season with stark deficiencies.

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#108 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:42PM
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madjam wrote:

Hemsky a top line winger , and second line at worst . He is not a 3-4th line type player .

Ipso facto he is redundant.

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#109 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:08PM
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Dave wrote:

I was always amused when Serious Gord phoned in to Stauffer trying to give the impression that was some sort of hockey insider rather than the typical fan that we all are.

Never ever have I implied that I am an "insider". A keen observer with opinions - I will cop to that.

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#110 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:15PM
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OilClog wrote:

Hemsky > Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Clarkson

Hemsky is the superior player to all mentioned above. Eat it.

Brian Burke has not turned Toronto around, Vancouver is still CUP LESS!, Anaheim was a gift from Pronger's wife

6 cups will always have 6 cups, Burke..1?

Toronto made the playoffs under Nonis.

Good Grief

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

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#111 Will
September 05 2013, 09:08AM
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I am unsure how we can say Hemsky is a talented player one minute, but realize no one wanted him the next. Yes I understand cap concerns and Hemsky's contract, but if he is really as good as everyone keep saying he is, then I don't think those concerns would really matter.

As for him vs Clarkson, isn't Clarkson LW? If not then I would much rather have Clarkson on my third line over Hemsky, just not at the price he's currently getting paid.

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#112 Smokey
September 05 2013, 09:24AM
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Batfink wrote:

Anybody read Spector's 'City of Losers' article on Sportsnet? Apart from the usual bone-headed statements, it is really quite an awful article. One sentence paragraphs? Seriously? You, sir, are a tabloid hack.

Spectors been driving me just lately. I can't listen to his show. He's better on TV. Team should do Fraser's deck or something...

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#113 Czar
September 05 2013, 09:34AM
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Smokey wrote:

Spectors been driving me just lately. I can't listen to his show. He's better on TV. Team should do Fraser's deck or something...

I was surprised we didn't hear about some kind of altercation at these deck parties, after a few beers...

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#114 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:04AM
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Will wrote:

I am unsure how we can say Hemsky is a talented player one minute, but realize no one wanted him the next. Yes I understand cap concerns and Hemsky's contract, but if he is really as good as everyone keep saying he is, then I don't think those concerns would really matter.

As for him vs Clarkson, isn't Clarkson LW? If not then I would much rather have Clarkson on my third line over Hemsky, just not at the price he's currently getting paid.

Hemsky has been having health problem lately.

He had a shoulder injury and needed a surgery in 2009-10 after a great start of 22 pts in 22 games.

He came back very strong in 2010-11 but needed another shoulder surgery after 47 games.

Seems like his recovery after the 2nd surgery was going too good and he was unable to start the 2011-12 on time and was struggling after his return. He did finish the season strong and that was why the management signed him to the 2 year 5 million contract expecting him to return to his ppg performance.

Last year, he has a better start than the year before but broke his foot blocking shot.

Clarkson has been pretty healthy and yet he never scored more than 40 pts except one year. What will happen if he starts to hit the injury bug?

If you ask me to pick Hemsky at 5.0M or Clarkson at 5.25M, I'll pick Hemsky over Clarkson any day. The only problem with Hemsky is can he get healthy and back to his 70+ pt per 82 game. If he can, 5.0M is a steal in today's market. With Clarkson, it will be a good year if he scores 50 pts.

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#115 Rama Lama
September 05 2013, 10:38AM
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Props to MacT for turning the Hemsky thing into something positive..........turning lemons into lemonaide.

I cant help but wonder just how difficult Mac T has made Eakins job now with all the additions. Exactly where will all the role players play? We have enough one way contracts to field six lines?

I guess it's a nice problem to have if you are a GM........but a coach?

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#116 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:39AM
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DSF wrote:

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

You are comparing apple to orange.

If you want to compare Hemsky to a Canucks player, there is Booth. Both are getting similar salary, both are having health problem lately.

If you want to compare Hansen to an Oilers, it should be Jones. Similar role, similar production, similar salary.

Oh yes, 4.2M vs 1.5M. Is there anything else you want to tell us?

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#117 pkam
September 05 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

You do understand the bet was for this season?

Not the next eight seasons.

The only way Hemmer does not outscore Clarkson is an injury to Hemmer. With Hemmer's injury record that is a real possibility.

My question is outside of points who will help his team more?

So are you telling me that you sign a player to 8 years and you only need him to perform for one year?

Hemsky only have health problem for 2 years, 09-10 and 10-11. He was doing great at the end of 11-12.

He played for Czech in WC that same year and was the top scorer for the Czech team, ahead of Thomas Plekanec, David Krejci, and Milan Michalek.

He started well this season and broke his foot blocking shot, which has nothing to do with his shoulder anymore.

Do I expect him to have a good year? My answer is same expectation I have with RNH.

I understand we have 3 top 6 RW and one of them will be moved eventually and Hemsky is most likely the odd man out. But to say he has no value or worse than Clarkson is just stupid.

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#118 pkam
September 05 2013, 11:33AM
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

Nobody knows if Hemsky will play 82 games this year.

This pass season, if Hemsky didn't break his foot blocking shot, he would have played the full 48 games and beat Clarkson in pts.

Any reason to think otherwise?

The only reason I can think of is the Oilers is in a more physical division with Kings, Ducks, and Sharks and Coyotes which puts our team in a less favorable scenario and makes our players more likely to get injury than the Leafs.

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#119 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

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#120 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:31PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

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#121 pkam
September 05 2013, 03:50PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Crosby only played 180 of 294 games since 2009, 4 games more than Hemsky.

What is worse is of the 212 games since 2010, Hemsky played 152 and Crosby only played 99. Does it mean Crosby has more injury problem and is less tradeable than Hemsky?

By the way, our new acquirement Dave Perron only played 115 games since 2010, 37 games less than Hemsky.

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#122 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 04:06PM
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DonDon wrote:

Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

I have no hate for Ales Hemsky, I have always respected him for the fact that he has sacrificed a lot for the Oilers.

My comments were directed towards a few readers interpretation of Brownlee's article.

My point was that his opinion was understandable based on the facts as we currently know them.

As with Spector's articles, Brownlee's opinion can be polarizing.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion, people should respect that the writers on ON provide us with the fodder we comment on here daily.

Bashing any of them for their opinion is disrespectful considering the fact that without them, the site wouldn't exist.

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#123 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:06PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

I didn't need you to tell me you're wrong, I knew that.

Why don't you do the math over his career and see whate percentage you come up with? Why did you only do the last two years? Makes you look smarter or what? Better support for your weak theory?

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#124 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 04:09PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#125 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 06:48PM
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David S wrote:

The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

There is no doubt that he can dangle the rubber going up ice.... but come on... #83 is not noted for hauling his a....s the other way on the backcheck. Even on his so called dangle the play dies with him far to often, that's when hes not off side.

No argument has a ton of talent but I will say it again.. heès a ONER, plays ok by himself, not so well with others.

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#127 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 10:58PM
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9) Oilers NHLE (

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#128 Woogie63
September 04 2013, 10:45PM
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uks ya! wrote:

Hemsky yes, KiNda....

HOWEVER.....if 1 of our top 6 go down with a serious injury then we love Mac for keeping hemmer around!

and if you mean old ballz Shultz? as the over paid dman then yes I very much agree, but if you mean Ladi, then buddy...u went from getting props to trashed!

cheers!

I meant Shultz, i would consider Smid D2.

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#129 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 06:25AM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Though the first paragraph was in jest, I believe the idea still has merit to the discussion.

If you had 4 defensemen very similar in ability to a great like Orr, would you trade one of them just so you could get a Hal Gill type? Because the common hockey narrative says you need one of the those?

That's incredibly foolish in my mind.

Also, the oilers have tried to get the bigger players to to complement. Eager, Jacques, Stortini, Jones, Hartikanen, Jesse Joensuu, Brown, Hordichuck. These types of players are not the answer.

Just because Hemsky isn't valued around the league, doesn't mean he doesn't have value to this team.

Not one of the players you cite is on a third line of a good team. The oil needs 2/3 line level of fierceness/physicality.

Hemsky has negative value everywhere including here. 5$mm is far too much dough.

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#130 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 06:28AM
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OilLeak wrote:

The original discussion in question was not the cap hit of the 3rd line, but whether good players i.e Hemsky can play on the 3rd line(checking role/Secondary offense role). Also, Hemsky's cap hit was perfectly acceptable for a top 6 forward and he is still capable of filling that role.

As for Stan Bowman's "supposed" 3rd line for the upcoming season:

Saad is still on his ELC. Handzus is 36 and may or may not be capable of still playing a 3rd line role. Jimmy Hayes is on his ELC and only played 10 games last season.

DSF please keep the conversation on track and stay focused.

Actually mr brownlee's post had nothing to do with the topic you refer to. The comments sections on this site almost always drift hither and thither. Whether you read them or not is your business.

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#131 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 09:48AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I don't think "negative value" means what you think it means.

To me it means he and his 5$mm salary/cap hit are a net drag on the team. IOW the team would be better off if it had the five million and hemsky was gone.

What praytell does it mean to you?

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#132 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 09:53AM
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pkam wrote:

Hemsky has been consistently a 70 pt player, except the last 2 years when he is having health problem.

Clarkson is a 30-40 pt player except one year. Wait until he has some health problem and we will see how well his contract becomes.

If Hemsky can bounce back to his form, his 5 million contract will be a steal compare to Clarkson's 8 year 5.25M contract.

You can say we won't make the playoff without pronger, but do you think we will make the playoff without Roloson, or Hemsky in that year. Hemsky and Roloson are the other key players that we won't make the playoff without them.

It isn't all about points. Clarkson has a physical dimension that is non existent with hemsky (which is why MacT tried to get him)

Eight freaking years ago hemsky was a vastly better Player than he is now and the team had a huge dearth of scoring talent. It is completely different today.

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#133 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 10:18AM
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Dangilitis wrote:

DSF, same deal as before - you never seem to take these up, though, for some strange reason...

Here's the bet

Hemsky outscores Clarkson this year (total points, straight up). If Hemsky does it, you stop posting on this blog immediately. If Clarkson outscores Hemsky (hahaha), I will post on here that DSF is king and applaud every one of your assinine comments for eternity.

No, I am serious. We all hate you and want you to stop posting utter bullsh*t, but this is your chance to prove your "knowledge". I am proposing this bet and challenging you to actually back one of your ignorant comments.

May the best man win....

Brave bet. When was the last time Hemmer played a full season?

Hemmer wins hands down if he stays healthy, he will want to be at the Olympics so expect a fast start from him.

The big question can he still play 82 games?

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#134 shanetrain
September 05 2013, 10:30AM
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As far as I am concerned this is all moot.

We should have traded Hemsky 4 years ago when he was worth something valuable.

Now?

Stuck with him.

No way does he thrive with the kids eating his minutes.

Sulk, sulk, odd brilliant moment, injury.

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#135 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 10:47AM
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pkam wrote:

Can Hemsky play a full season again? Nobody knows. You have to gamble. With a 5.0M 2 years contract, if you win, you win big, if you lose, you lose little.

Hall couldn't finish 82 games his first 2 years, and he couldn't start the season on time last year, should we assume he can never play 82 games?

And the same with RNH too. He only played 62 games his 1st year and he has to finish early last year for his surgery and probably will miss the first month this year. He probably won't be able to play 82 games for his whole career.

Do you know if Clarkson will play 82 games for all the 8 years in his contract?

You do understand the bet was for this season?

Not the next eight seasons.

The only way Hemmer does not outscore Clarkson is an injury to Hemmer. With Hemmer's injury record that is a real possibility.

My question is outside of points who will help his team more?

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#136 L. Cholak
September 05 2013, 10:51AM
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Robin....I have admired your writing style and command of the English language for a long time. However, I was amazed that in the quote below you use the subject "I" when 'me' was required. The verb 'told' requires an object. Keep up the good job.

As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#137 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 11:22AM
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pkam wrote:

So are you telling me that you sign a player to 8 years and you only need him to perform for one year?

Hemsky only have health problem for 2 years, 09-10 and 10-11. He was doing great at the end of 11-12.

He played for Czech in WC that same year and was the top scorer for the Czech team, ahead of Thomas Plekanec, David Krejci, and Milan Michalek.

He started well this season and broke his foot blocking shot, which has nothing to do with his shoulder anymore.

Do I expect him to have a good year? My answer is same expectation I have with RNH.

I understand we have 3 top 6 RW and one of them will be moved eventually and Hemsky is most likely the odd man out. But to say he has no value or worse than Clarkson is just stupid.

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

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#138 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 11:27AM
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tileguy wrote:

spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

Yes, I would trade my third line winger and another asset to fix a more pressing need for the team.

Say a complete number two center or a top pairing defenseman.

You have to give up quality to get quality.

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#139 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:41AM
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50 pt guy on the 3rd line for another 2 years would be a bargain IF the oilers are winning with this scenario. firewagon pond hockey is back!

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#140 tileguy
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at 3.5

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#141 pkam
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

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#142 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 12:38PM
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pkam wrote:

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

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#143 Bucknuck
September 05 2013, 12:39PM
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pkam wrote:

I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

Until we know the details of the new Salary cap, statements of "we can't afford x" don't hold much water. Let's see how much wiggle room there is at the end of the year.

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#144 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

^

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#145 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:04PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

You should note the title. It reads "rumours", you want to open the box for facts with the label of rumours. Why would I fall for that? Why did you?

Whats becoming weak? Don't make sh!t up.

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#146 Sanaa Montana
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2004Z06 wrote:

Not presuming anything, look it up.

If you know it to be the truth, please lead us to it.

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#147 Sanaa Montana
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DonDon wrote:

Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

Those are the only two options; get traded or become a UFA.

It is not criticism if it is always assumptions of negative nature, that is hate. No one says it is undeserved as long as it is based on fact, and not on an if.

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#148 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 04:14PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

THANK YOU! Finally another voice of reason.

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#149 2004Z06
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@Robin Brownlee

Well put! Thanks

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