THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#1 DSF
September 04 2013, 09:15PM
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Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

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#2 DSF
September 04 2013, 11:35PM
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None of what happened 5 years ago means a pinch of coon kaka.

Nor does a trip to the finals 7 year ago.

Who will deliver the best value this coming season?

Anyone who think it's Hemsky needs to give their head a shake.

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#3 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:24PM
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Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

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#4 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

But DSF, Hansen played 9 more games than Hemmer did this season. I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but in a short season that's a 5th of the games. Hansen also has no history of huge production in the NHL, while Hemsky has a NHL career pts/gm of .755.

It's a terrible comparison. The worst part is, you know that it's a terrible comparison, and you choose to use it anyways.

Even last year Hemmer still had a .526 pts/gm. I'd take that for a guy playing on the 3rd line. Depth is a good thing isn't it?

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

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#5 DSF
September 04 2013, 09:21PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

This.

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#6 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:22PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Or maybe 30, which would explain why Hemsky has no value while everyone went chasing after Clarkson.

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

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#8 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:49PM
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@Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

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#9 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 09:16PM
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Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

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#10 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:08PM
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Darrell wrote:

Hope Nonnis stocked up on lip stick too as the Hemsky scenario is minor distraction in Edmonton - it's all relative and depends on what side of the tracks you live on folks ...

Someone else is an idiot so MacT is a genius?

Or maybe there are 2 idiots?

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#11 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:53PM
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Kodiak wrote:

And I'll wager he never puts up a season matching Hemsky's PPG. Keep on cherry pickinG DSF. It's the only thing you are good at.

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

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#12 DSF
September 04 2013, 10:19PM
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OilLeak wrote:

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

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#13 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:08PM
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Dave wrote:

I was always amused when Serious Gord phoned in to Stauffer trying to give the impression that was some sort of hockey insider rather than the typical fan that we all are.

Never ever have I implied that I am an "insider". A keen observer with opinions - I will cop to that.

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#14 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 09:52PM
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OilLeak wrote:

"What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero."

So an unquestionably talented Czech winger with only 1 year left on his contract has zero market value? Deeming that Hemsky has no market value is selling the player short and speaks to the opinion of the writer on said player. On the flip side a more positive view would believe that Mactavish values Hemsky for the quality player that he is and felt that equal/fair value was not offered so he chose to retain him.

Also, you've been shoving Hemsky out the door for some time. A quick search regarding your Hemsky articles here at Oilers nation proves as much.

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

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#16 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 06:28AM
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OilLeak wrote:

The original discussion in question was not the cap hit of the 3rd line, but whether good players i.e Hemsky can play on the 3rd line(checking role/Secondary offense role). Also, Hemsky's cap hit was perfectly acceptable for a top 6 forward and he is still capable of filling that role.

As for Stan Bowman's "supposed" 3rd line for the upcoming season:

Saad is still on his ELC. Handzus is 36 and may or may not be capable of still playing a 3rd line role. Jimmy Hayes is on his ELC and only played 10 games last season.

DSF please keep the conversation on track and stay focused.

Actually mr brownlee's post had nothing to do with the topic you refer to. The comments sections on this site almost always drift hither and thither. Whether you read them or not is your business.

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#17 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:40PM
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OilLeak wrote:

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

Outlandish?!

Comrie Souray Horcoff contract Hiring the coaches who were friends Six rings Bold And on and on and on. When you get a chance read what the hockey news says about oilers management in their yearbook. They have a horrible reputation - deservedly so - league-wide.

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#18 Woogie63
September 04 2013, 08:33PM
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We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

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#19 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:34PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Good players are never redundant.

Also if there wasn't such a young guns/veteran dichotomy on the team, and hemsky was offered the cushy minutes that eberle and yak have gotten the last 3 years, hemmer would not be talked about as being a 3rd liner. As it stands he may still be the best RW on the team, now. For the future? No. Now? Quite possibly.

Absolutely Good players can be redundant. Should we stock the team with just good defense men? Silly comment on its face.

As for buying him out - yes Katz gets stuck with 1/3 the salary but the gets ALL of the five million in cap - something we have virtually none of now and we have a Player - hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for. And thus the team limps into the beginning of a new season with stark deficiencies.

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#20 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 10:42PM
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madjam wrote:

Hemsky a top line winger , and second line at worst . He is not a 3-4th line type player .

Ipso facto he is redundant.

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#21 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 06:25AM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

Though the first paragraph was in jest, I believe the idea still has merit to the discussion.

If you had 4 defensemen very similar in ability to a great like Orr, would you trade one of them just so you could get a Hal Gill type? Because the common hockey narrative says you need one of the those?

That's incredibly foolish in my mind.

Also, the oilers have tried to get the bigger players to to complement. Eager, Jacques, Stortini, Jones, Hartikanen, Jesse Joensuu, Brown, Hordichuck. These types of players are not the answer.

Just because Hemsky isn't valued around the league, doesn't mean he doesn't have value to this team.

Not one of the players you cite is on a third line of a good team. The oil needs 2/3 line level of fierceness/physicality.

Hemsky has negative value everywhere including here. 5$mm is far too much dough.

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#22 shanetrain
September 05 2013, 10:33AM
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You better hope DSF doesn't take the bet.

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#23 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:15PM
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OilClog wrote:

Hemsky > Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Clarkson

Hemsky is the superior player to all mentioned above. Eat it.

Brian Burke has not turned Toronto around, Vancouver is still CUP LESS!, Anaheim was a gift from Pronger's wife

6 cups will always have 6 cups, Burke..1?

Toronto made the playoffs under Nonis.

Good Grief

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

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#24 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:06PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

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#25 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 09:42PM
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@Robin Brownlee

"What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero."

So an unquestionably talented Czech winger with only 1 year left on his contract has zero market value? Deeming that Hemsky has no market value is selling the player short and speaks to the opinion of the writer on said player. On the flip side a more positive view would believe that Mactavish values Hemsky for the quality player that he is and felt that equal/fair value was not offered so he chose to retain him.

Also, you've been shoving Hemsky out the door for some time. A quick search regarding your Hemsky articles here at Oilers nation proves as much.

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#26 Quicksilver ballet
September 04 2013, 08:35PM
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I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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#27 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:04PM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

Largely accurate reposte.

However Burke is not without his weaknesses:

Far too pro american - Wilson, kessel etc.

Pretty weak judge of goalie talent

Kessel trade was a disaster caused largely by his misjudging how good the leafs defense and goaltending was (it wasn't).

Biggest flaw - his mouth. Became a liability to the team both in van and in Toronto.

Could be a move up for cgy - cant be any worse than feaster. But ken king and he will not get along - one of them will be out the door within two seasons.

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#28 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:33PM
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StuckOutHere wrote:

I'm not so sure you're right. If every one of those defensemen were Bobby Orr calibre, you could absolutely fill out a team full of Dmen, save for goal.

Also this assessment, "hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for", is ridiculous. We don't need players who are good at pushing play the other way, good at gaining the offensive zone, and setting up plays? I don't know a single hockey team that has no need for that. Not one.

Your first para is obviously in jest.

All teams need what hemsky has but the oil already has that covered quite amply. What the oil needs - what he and his 5mm$ cap hit blocks - is a player who can play fiercely and physically at a second/first line level. (Gagner is also an impediment in this regard.)

On the oil he is surplus product like having too lots of syrup at a pancake breakfast and not enough batter.

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#29 Serious Gord
September 05 2013, 09:48AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I don't think "negative value" means what you think it means.

To me it means he and his 5$mm salary/cap hit are a net drag on the team. IOW the team would be better off if it had the five million and hemsky was gone.

What praytell does it mean to you?

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#30 Serious Gord
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pkam wrote:

Hemsky has been consistently a 70 pt player, except the last 2 years when he is having health problem.

Clarkson is a 30-40 pt player except one year. Wait until he has some health problem and we will see how well his contract becomes.

If Hemsky can bounce back to his form, his 5 million contract will be a steal compare to Clarkson's 8 year 5.25M contract.

You can say we won't make the playoff without pronger, but do you think we will make the playoff without Roloson, or Hemsky in that year. Hemsky and Roloson are the other key players that we won't make the playoff without them.

It isn't all about points. Clarkson has a physical dimension that is non existent with hemsky (which is why MacT tried to get him)

Eight freaking years ago hemsky was a vastly better Player than he is now and the team had a huge dearth of scoring talent. It is completely different today.

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#31 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:09PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Please expand on this "Hemsky hate" you refer to. What sentence or paragraph, or overall tone for that matter, indicates "hate" for Hemsky? Do tell.

I don't know about OilLeak, but for me, your whole articles and all your assumptions in it reak of negativity-which can be related to hate or a strong dislike.

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#32 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 08:39PM
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The Hemsky hate is strong in this article.

Maybe Mactavish realized that Hemsky can help the Oilers more than an inferior player that would be offered in a trade?

For years Hemsky was the only real skill keeping this team afloat now that he is less shiny everyone piles on player. I just don't get the hate the media has for Hemsky.

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#33 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 08:41PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

Don't look at the current depth chart as lines 1, 2, and 3. Think of the team now possessing a 1, 2A, and 2B lines.

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#34 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 04 2013, 10:36PM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

Be very afraid??

Please oh wise one, tell us why,

then shut the hell up.

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#35 Darrell
September 04 2013, 11:23PM
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DSF wrote:

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

DSF - what exactly do you reminisce about ? Two trips to the finals and no Cup ? We think about six SC and two trips to the finals with no Cup ..... Your pathetic!

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#36 Butters
September 04 2013, 11:55PM
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I more worried that Brownlee knows what a "Trisha Pasnak Infiniti dress" is.

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#37 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 06:41AM
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Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year.

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#38 shanetrain
September 05 2013, 10:30AM
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As far as I am concerned this is all moot.

We should have traded Hemsky 4 years ago when he was worth something valuable.

Now?

Stuck with him.

No way does he thrive with the kids eating his minutes.

Sulk, sulk, odd brilliant moment, injury.

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#39 L. Cholak
September 05 2013, 10:51AM
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Robin....I have admired your writing style and command of the English language for a long time. However, I was amazed that in the quote below you use the subject "I" when 'me' was required. The verb 'told' requires an object. Keep up the good job.

As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#40 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 01:44PM
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@2004Z06

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

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#41 Eulers
September 04 2013, 08:36PM
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Picture at top: "Lipstick and a pig."

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#42 SlowTalker
September 04 2013, 09:11PM
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Could the Belov's PED usage be an issue when it comes to a work visa?

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#43 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 10:02PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

Good players are never redundant.

Also if there wasn't such a young guns/veteran dichotomy on the team, and hemsky was offered the cushy minutes that eberle and yak have gotten the last 3 years, hemmer would not be talked about as being a 3rd liner. As it stands he may still be the best RW on the team, now. For the future? No. Now? Quite possibly.

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#44 Kodiak
September 04 2013, 10:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

And I'll wager he never puts up a season matching Hemsky's PPG. Keep on cherry pickinG DSF. It's the only thing you are good at.

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#45 OilClog
September 04 2013, 11:05PM
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Hemsky > Burrows, Kassian, Hansen, Clarkson

Hemsky is the superior player to all mentioned above. Eat it.

Brian Burke has not turned Toronto around, Vancouver is still CUP LESS!, Anaheim was a gift from Pronger's wife

6 cups will always have 6 cups, Burke..1?

Toronto made the playoffs under Nonis.

Good Grief

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#46 Serious Gord
September 04 2013, 11:20PM
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VK63 wrote:

Old Arnie must need prop up pills for that one. Nasty.

Back in the day she was quite um, tappable.

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#47 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 11:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

The original discussion in question was not the cap hit of the 3rd line, but whether good players i.e Hemsky can play on the 3rd line(checking role/Secondary offense role). Also, Hemsky's cap hit was perfectly acceptable for a top 6 forward and he is still capable of filling that role.

As for Stan Bowman's "supposed" 3rd line for the upcoming season:

Saad is still on his ELC. Handzus is 36 and may or may not be capable of still playing a 3rd line role. Jimmy Hayes is on his ELC and only played 10 games last season.

DSF please keep the conversation on track and stay focused.

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#48 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 12:29PM
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Personally I don't want to see DSF go away. Love how he riles you guys up! I enjoy watching you all trash the hell out of him regardless of whether his post has merit or not.

I personally enjoy a non Kool-Aid drinking view here. How lame would this site be if all the posts were rosy, sunshine filled drivel all the time?

Challenge of the status quo is a good thing. We need more of it and less sense of entitlement in todays world.

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#49 Sanaa Montana
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DonDon wrote:

Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

Those are the only two options; get traded or become a UFA.

It is not criticism if it is always assumptions of negative nature, that is hate. No one says it is undeserved as long as it is based on fact, and not on an if.

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#50 OilLeak
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

And the evidence of all these outlandish claims would be?

Having talented hockey players beyond lines 1 and 2 is suddenly redundant? I always thought the good hockey teams were in active pursuit of adding skill/talent be it on the 1st line or the 4th. Better inform Stan Bowman of the redundancy on his roster so he can get the team back on track.

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