THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#51 madjam
September 04 2013, 10:31PM
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Hemsky a top line winger , and second line at worst . He is not a 3-4th line type player .

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#52 Zarny
September 04 2013, 11:18PM
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@DSF

Clarkson is a 29 y/o undrafted player who spent years in the minors, 4 years on the 4th line and scored 30 G once playing with Elias, Parise and Kovalchuk. After a hot start last year he finished with 5G in 34 games. That's 12G over 82 games.

The peak points by age in the NHL is 25 and after 29 it's all downhill. David Clarkson is not the type of player to beat the average and has all of the signs of a player who had a career year in the right situation. Doubtful he ever scores 30 again and in 1-2 years he'll be back on the 4th line.

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#53 Batfink
September 05 2013, 07:02AM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

3) That's great, I still own a VCR!

6) K-Lowe has 6!! Just ask him!

And I thought it only sporting that you should say "shut the hell up" in the form of a haiku. Or you could be the limerick man.

BTW, will try to find the link, but if you you-tube brian burke fake interview, it's hilarious. Nazem effin Kadri!

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#54 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 10:18AM
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Dangilitis wrote:

DSF, same deal as before - you never seem to take these up, though, for some strange reason...

Here's the bet

Hemsky outscores Clarkson this year (total points, straight up). If Hemsky does it, you stop posting on this blog immediately. If Clarkson outscores Hemsky (hahaha), I will post on here that DSF is king and applaud every one of your assinine comments for eternity.

No, I am serious. We all hate you and want you to stop posting utter bullsh*t, but this is your chance to prove your "knowledge". I am proposing this bet and challenging you to actually back one of your ignorant comments.

May the best man win....

Brave bet. When was the last time Hemmer played a full season?

Hemmer wins hands down if he stays healthy, he will want to be at the Olympics so expect a fast start from him.

The big question can he still play 82 games?

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#55 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 01:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Why so much slander of Hemsky?

Why would you say the market for Hemsky was minimal or zero? Where did you gather these facts from?

When did you become an expert on reading human behaviour and Hemsky's inner thoughts?

Prior to last season, when in the previous ones did the Oilers make it public that they wanted to trade Hemsky?

Of course you don't buy Hemsky being part of this team in the future. I would assume that is because you already have your annual trade Hemsky article ready to release before the trade deadline, like the one you have been releasing year after year after year.

If Hemsky is playing at his best, why would the Oilers trade him?

It is an opinion piece! The market for Hemsky was ZERO. Hence the reason he was not traded. No expertise required to figure that one out.

It is public knowledge that Hemsky has been on the block for at least 3 years.

Here is why Hemsky is not likely a part of the Oilers future.

1. Cap hit 2. Injury history 3. Work ethic

If Hemsky is still here after the deadline, and the Oilers are still in the picture, he will either walk for nothing at the end of the season as a UFA, or will be offered an extension at around 3-3.5 per. unlikely he will accept this number or a regular 3rd line role as he is still at an age where HE feels he is still a top 6 guy worth 4-5 mil per.

Brownlee's OPINION seems pretty accurate in my eyes.

Of course that is just my OPINION.

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#56 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

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#57 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 04:09PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#58 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 04:09PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

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#59 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 04:14PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

THANK YOU! Finally another voice of reason.

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#60 Quicksilver ballet
September 05 2013, 06:07PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

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#61 Oiler Al
September 05 2013, 06:48PM
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David S wrote:

The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

There is no doubt that he can dangle the rubber going up ice.... but come on... #83 is not noted for hauling his a....s the other way on the backcheck. Even on his so called dangle the play dies with him far to often, that's when hes not off side.

No argument has a ton of talent but I will say it again.. heès a ONER, plays ok by himself, not so well with others.

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#64 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 09:22PM
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So Robin, what MacT and Ales didn't say is what YOU speculate? Now that is some spin.

MacT did pretty much say he couldn't get what he wanted for Hemsky though:

"We went about the prospect of potentially moving Ales and Horc (Shawn Horcoff), and I really found out, at the end of the day, that I had a great appreciation of him and his skill set than most people that I talked to. I've seen him at his best and that's why I have a great appreciation of what he does. "

And Hemsky did acknowledge that all the losing had gotten him down:

"Like Mac said there was a lot of frustration for me. I understand the process, not being in the playoffs for seven years is hard for every body and you lose it (desire) a little bit."

I think he came off pretty sincere, and its true that Hemsky can really help this team. Even if he only plays to his last two years boxcars he's a better bet than anyone else to fill a role on this team. Ryan Jones can't hold a candle and he doesn't get half the flack from the Nation. Add that to the list of things I will never understand.

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#65 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 09:51PM
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DSF wrote:

Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

But DSF, Hansen played 9 more games than Hemmer did this season. I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but in a short season that's a 5th of the games. Hansen also has no history of huge production in the NHL, while Hemsky has a NHL career pts/gm of .755.

It's a terrible comparison. The worst part is, you know that it's a terrible comparison, and you choose to use it anyways.

Even last year Hemmer still had a .526 pts/gm. I'd take that for a guy playing on the 3rd line. Depth is a good thing isn't it?

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#66 Oil Noggin
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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Hemmer has been injured for a good chunk of time each of last four seasons. His scoring is down due to health and he is being paid 5 million to play half of each season. To top it off he is somehow injured almost every trade deadline. I won't be the only one who isn't surprised when the oil do not get full value for him.

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#67 Zarny
September 04 2013, 11:03PM
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It's obviously spin. Hemsky is off the market till the trade deadline because isn't worth $5M/yr.

Everyone knows the Oilers need to add size. The top 6 are among the smallest group in the NHL.

Ergo small, skilled forwards are not what they need on the 3rd and 4th line.

Hemsky is good. There will be a buyer at the trade deadline when the price tag isn't $5M. Unless he gets hurt. Then he'll just walk for nothing as a UFA.

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#68 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:42PM
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@Serious Gord

Though the first paragraph was in jest, I believe the idea still has merit to the discussion.

If you had 4 defensemen very similar in ability to a great like Orr, would you trade one of them just so you could get a Hal Gill type? Because the common hockey narrative says you need one of the those?

That's incredibly foolish in my mind.

Also, the oilers have tried to get the bigger players to to complement. Eager, Jacques, Stortini, Jones, Hartikanen, Jesse Joensuu, Brown, Hordichuck. These types of players are not the answer.

Just because Hemsky isn't valued around the league, doesn't mean he doesn't have value to this team.

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#69 Ivan Drago
September 05 2013, 05:54AM
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Another comments section dominated by feeding time for the troll. When will people learn.

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#70 ubermiguel
September 05 2013, 08:53AM
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Brownlee, never agreed more with one of your articles. The dog and pony show yesterday was the classiest way possible to handle Hemsky not getting traded. It kills all the media chatter and builds up Hemsky’s confidence going into camp. MacT must have learned by watching Tambo and Gillis how NOT to handle a player that was on his way out but doesn’t quite make it to the door.

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#71 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:34AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Brave bet. When was the last time Hemmer played a full season?

Hemmer wins hands down if he stays healthy, he will want to be at the Olympics so expect a fast start from him.

The big question can he still play 82 games?

Can Hemsky play a full season again? Nobody knows. You have to gamble. With a 5.0M 2 years contract, if you win, you win big, if you lose, you lose little.

Hall couldn't finish 82 games his first 2 years, and he couldn't start the season on time last year, should we assume he can never play 82 games?

And the same with RNH too. He only played 62 games his 1st year and he has to finish early last year for his surgery and probably will miss the first month this year. He probably won't be able to play 82 games for his whole career.

Do you know if Clarkson will play 82 games for all the 8 years in his contract?

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#72 Spydyr
September 05 2013, 11:27AM
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tileguy wrote:

spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

Yes, I would trade my third line winger and another asset to fix a more pressing need for the team.

Say a complete number two center or a top pairing defenseman.

You have to give up quality to get quality.

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#73 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 02:12PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Calm down.

The market for Hemsky was not zero. Or, are you saying that Hemsky not being traded is the absolute reason/proof that the market was zero? I don't know if you're an expert or patronazing me, but how did you figure that?

What is public knowledge? Can you guide me to where you gathered it?

1. Cap hit? please explain

2. Injury history? If his injuries are a concern his cap hit should be that high, no?

3. Work ethic? You must be joking.

How do you know how Hemsky feels? You talk to him often?

Your opinion is Brownlee's opinion, but, of course that is just my opinion.

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

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#74 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 02:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

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#75 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:04PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

You should note the title. It reads "rumours", you want to open the box for facts with the label of rumours. Why would I fall for that? Why did you?

Whats becoming weak? Don't make sh!t up.

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#76 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:06PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

I didn't need you to tell me you're wrong, I knew that.

Why don't you do the math over his career and see whate percentage you come up with? Why did you only do the last two years? Makes you look smarter or what? Better support for your weak theory?

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#77 Sanaa Montana
September 05 2013, 04:08PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Not presuming anything, look it up.

If you know it to be the truth, please lead us to it.

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#78 Eddie Shore
September 05 2013, 05:04PM
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I'm sick of hearing Spector et al piss and moan how Hemsky is always first off the ice. He's been in this league for 10 years, I doubt he is all of sudden going to change his ways. Get over it already.

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#79 Where's Your Towel
September 04 2013, 09:01PM
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@OilLeak

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the suggestion that this team has been in any way afloat.

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#82 Oil Noggin
September 04 2013, 10:01PM
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Hemmer has been injured for a good chunk of time each of last four seasons. His scoring is down due to health and he is being paid 5 million to play half of each season. To top it off he is somehow injured almost every trade deadline. I won't be the only one who isn't surprised when the oil do not get full value for him. The kid has skills but no teams want to take on that risk.

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#83 Darrell
September 04 2013, 10:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Brownlee has nailed it here.

MacT was trying to put lipstick on a pig that was entirely of his own creation when he told the world that Horcoff and Hemsky were done.

Hemsky will play out the string, likely getting 3rd line minutes, because he was signed to a ridiculous $5M a year contract.

MacT tried all summer to move him but no other GM in the league would pay that kind of coin for a player who is always injured and posted all of 20 points (-6) last season.

As a comparable, Vancouver's 3rd line RW played 47G. scored 10G 27P and Jannik Hansen has a cap hit of $1.35M.

Hope Nonnis stocked up on lip stick too as the Hemsky scenario is minor distraction in Edmonton - it's all relative and depends on what side of the tracks you live on folks ...

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#84 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 10:12PM
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DSF wrote:

Someone else is an idiot so MacT is a genius?

Or maybe there are 2 idiots?

Or maybe 30, which would explain why Hemsky has no value while everyone went chasing after Clarkson.

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#85 Dave
September 04 2013, 11:01PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Spin = lying.

When hemsky is traded/given away at the deadline the media and fans should call MacT on it.

The mistake that was made - as I pointed out on stauffers show at the time was lowe/tambellini signing hemsky for five million. By doing so he became of nil trade value - he could only be moved if MacT took back another crap contract. What should have been done - what would have been done if we had an owner who not only had dough but was prepared to spend it - was buy him out when the opportunity was available. That would have freed up some cap room and with that cap and some prospects and draft picks the oil could have gotten the 2/3 line fierceness it needs.

Instead they will cower until at least the trade deadline with no opponent feeling any fear of going into the boards after a puck.

I was always amused when Serious Gord phoned in to Stauffer trying to give the impression that was some sort of hockey insider rather than the typical fan that we all are.

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#86 VK63
September 04 2013, 11:13PM
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Old Arnie must need prop up pills for that one. Nasty.

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#87 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:22PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Absolutely Good players can be redundant. Should we stock the team with just good defense men? Silly comment on its face.

As for buying him out - yes Katz gets stuck with 1/3 the salary but the gets ALL of the five million in cap - something we have virtually none of now and we have a Player - hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for. And thus the team limps into the beginning of a new season with stark deficiencies.

I'm not so sure you're right. If every one of those defensemen were Bobby Orr calibre, you could absolutely fill out a team full of Dmen, save for goal.

Also this assessment, "hemsky who has a skill set the oil has little to no need for", is ridiculous. We don't need players who are good at pushing play the other way, good at gaining the offensive zone, and setting up plays? I don't know a single hockey team that has no need for that. Not one.

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#88 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:27PM
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@DSF

How many 50 pt seasons does Clarkson have?

And he got to play on a good team, while Hemsky got to play with... well...

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#89 oilerman53
September 04 2013, 11:31PM
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David Clarkson has to be this generations Chris Simon. Its always a great story too, good ol tough kid scores 30 in the NHL, feels he can contribute more in the long run. Clarkson wants to style his play after Wendel Clarke. Yeesh this guy is really reaching for the sky, why the hell we talking about Clarkson anyways? Oh yeah DSF has yet another ramble fest about how x player trumps Oilers player.

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#90 StuckOutHere
September 04 2013, 11:34PM
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DSF wrote:

And I will wager Hemsky never puts up another season matching Hemsky's PPG.

While Clarkson, who is younger than Hemsky, scores 30 goals.

Keep on remembering 2008.

It's only 5 years ago.

pray tell, how much younger is Clarkson than Hemsky?

8 whole months? Wow.

You're the worst.

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#91 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 05 2013, 06:57AM
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DSF wrote:

Clarkson is one hell of a player.

I'd wager he scores 30 goals in Toronto.

How many 30 goals season does Hemsky have?

edit: Ivan Drago was right in post #63.

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#92 Batfink
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u28I6faWuU

Found it! Start your day with a chuckle on me!

Nazem effin Kadri!

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#93 Smokey
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Haters can suck it. Hemsky was great the first part of the year and the team was a playoff team. He got hurt, and the team began to struggle and fall outta the playoff hunt. Once he was outta the line-up, Oilers could not score or win. Hemsky was intricate to the team success providing secondary scoring. Outside of the top line the other teams did not have to concentrate on the teams secondary scoring. Gagner did jack after Hemsky got hurt. Haters can hate, but facts are facts Hemsky is an important piece, and a return needs to be decent. I hope he plays out his year, we buy him a Harley to say thanks for 12 years being the only decent player we had to watch, and actually choosing Edmonton. Hemsky in my estimation is like Weight, Smyth in terms of his importance to the Oilers in his career. Lets enjoy one last year of him embarrassing X-dmen and the wish him well with another team next year.

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#94 RMGS
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Robin, you admit that Hemsky is an "unquestionably talented winger," but then say that you "don't buy" that "Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward."

What do you have against the Oilers having a roster deep in good players? Why can't an "unquestionably talented winger" be a part of a successful Oilers team?

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#95 Dangilitis
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DSF wrote:

None of what happened 5 years ago means a pinch of coon kaka.

Nor does a trip to the finals 7 year ago.

Who will deliver the best value this coming season?

Anyone who think it's Hemsky needs to give their head a shake.

DSF, same deal as before - you never seem to take these up, though, for some strange reason...

Here's the bet

Hemsky outscores Clarkson this year (total points, straight up). If Hemsky does it, you stop posting on this blog immediately. If Clarkson outscores Hemsky (hahaha), I will post on here that DSF is king and applaud every one of your assinine comments for eternity.

No, I am serious. We all hate you and want you to stop posting utter bullsh*t, but this is your chance to prove your "knowledge". I am proposing this bet and challenging you to actually back one of your ignorant comments.

May the best man win....

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#96 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:39AM
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DSF wrote:

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

You are comparing apple to orange.

If you want to compare Hemsky to a Canucks player, there is Booth. Both are getting similar salary, both are having health problem lately.

If you want to compare Hansen to an Oilers, it should be Jones. Similar role, similar production, similar salary.

Oh yes, 4.2M vs 1.5M. Is there anything else you want to tell us?

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#97 Spydyr
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pkam wrote:

Can Hemsky play a full season again? Nobody knows. You have to gamble. With a 5.0M 2 years contract, if you win, you win big, if you lose, you lose little.

Hall couldn't finish 82 games his first 2 years, and he couldn't start the season on time last year, should we assume he can never play 82 games?

And the same with RNH too. He only played 62 games his 1st year and he has to finish early last year for his surgery and probably will miss the first month this year. He probably won't be able to play 82 games for his whole career.

Do you know if Clarkson will play 82 games for all the 8 years in his contract?

You do understand the bet was for this season?

Not the next eight seasons.

The only way Hemmer does not outscore Clarkson is an injury to Hemmer. With Hemmer's injury record that is a real possibility.

My question is outside of points who will help his team more?

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#98 Spydyr
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pkam wrote:

So are you telling me that you sign a player to 8 years and you only need him to perform for one year?

Hemsky only have health problem for 2 years, 09-10 and 10-11. He was doing great at the end of 11-12.

He played for Czech in WC that same year and was the top scorer for the Czech team, ahead of Thomas Plekanec, David Krejci, and Milan Michalek.

He started well this season and broke his foot blocking shot, which has nothing to do with his shoulder anymore.

Do I expect him to have a good year? My answer is same expectation I have with RNH.

I understand we have 3 top 6 RW and one of them will be moved eventually and Hemsky is most likely the odd man out. But to say he has no value or worse than Clarkson is just stupid.

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

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#99 Spydyr
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pkam wrote:

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

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#100 StuckOutHere
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

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