THE WAY I SEE IT: SPIN

Robin Brownlee
September 04 2013 08:23PM

What we heard today from Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish and Ales Hemsky was a combination of pure spin and putting the best foot forward for the sake of public consumption.

After suggesting it might be time for Hemsky and former captain Shawn Horcoff to move along after being beaten down by seven years of losing, and successfully unloading Horcoff to Dallas, MacTavish told media summoned to Rexall Place that No. 83 was off the trading block.

What MacTavish didn’t say was that Hemsky is off the block and back in Edmonton because he didn’t get anything resembling what the Oilers deemed a reasonable return for the unquestionably talented Czech winger. That the market for him was, at best, minimal. I deemed it, essentially, zero.

For his part, Hemsky, who looked as comfortable as the lone man in the office getting dragged along to a company lunch with 20 of his female co-workers, went along, saying he was happy to be back and would do his utmost to be a better player and more of a leader.

What Hemsky didn’t say today is he'd still welcome a move to a new address because all the defeat and losing in Edmonton has worn him down, as MacT suggested it had months ago. That he'd play along for the sake of appearance, hoping that a hot 20-30 games to start this season might bump his value and produce a ticket out of town.

What else did you expect?

NOT MANY OPTIONS

With the Oilers making it known for at least the last couple of seasons that Hemsky has been available, and given his suggestion a chance in scenery might be the best thing for Hemsky and the Oilers this off-season with no serious takers, MacTavish doesn't have a lot of options. He picked the best one today.

Yes, it's spin, but today's staged kiss-and-make-up routine is better than having an asset like Hemsky sit on the sidelines or feel like he's on the outside looking in as he diminishes in value. There is no upside to that, as we saw with the clumsy handling of Sheldon Souray by ousted GM Steve Tambellini.

Thus, we got talk today about the possibility Hemsky could be a valuable piece of the puzzle moving forward. I don’t buy it, at least not for any period beyond the next trade deadline, but, like a politician stuck in an unhappy marriage at election time, better to put on a united front until the polls close before calling in the lawyers to draw up the divorce papers.

There is a win-win scenario here and that happens if Hemsky stays engaged in the process and tears it up like he can until enough pro scouts from the 29 other NHL teams conclude that he's not only capable of staying healthy, but returning to productivity. If that happens, Hemsky might get his ticket out of town and the Oilers might get a return that makes some sense.

But off the block? My eye.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . With the rookies set to get started in Penticton Thursday, we’ll get our first look at Oscar Klefbom, who, at least right now, is the best of a pretty good crop of young blueliners looking to impress. Darnell Nurse will get his share of the spotlight to be sure, but Klefbom's pursuit of a roster spot now through main camp is what has my attention.

. . . As assistant coach Steve Smith told Jason Gregor and I today, Anton Belov is having some problems with his visa and delays will see him miss the start of training camp. Right now, we don’t have any more details than that, as in when he'll arrive, but not a good start for the 27-year-old Russian.

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#101 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 03:12PM
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Spydyr wrote:

OK. Great I would not bet against Hemmer either. All I was saying he has to stay healthy. With his past record of injury that makes it a brave bet.

Hemmer will have lots to prove this year and it is an Olympic year. For the team's sake I hope he lights it up.

That's the point. DSF shoots off his mouth until it gets out of hand and he leaves stupid messages like "gagner is mediocre" and "clarkson is better value than Hemsky and will outscore him" then cowards away from challenges. He hasn't responded because he knows that even if hemmer plays 60 games (could play way more for the record) on the 3rd line with Boyd Gordon that he will still out score a meathead like clarkson. Case closed

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#102 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 03:17PM
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DSF

Would also gladly take the bet that you propose that clarkson never scores 30 goals a season for any year in Toronto

Only problem is I want you off this site much sooner than 8 years and Hemsky vs. clarkson will get you off by next season. C'mon big shot, take the bet.

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#103 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 03:18PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#104 pkam
September 05 2013, 03:24PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Rest assured I am very calm.

The Ales Hemsky situation is well documented.

In case you missed it in the several interviews, articles both in print and televised, let me break it down for you:

1. Cap hit - Hemsky's cap hit is 5 million for one more year. With ALL teams shedding salary this year to comply with the lower 64 mil cap, very few teams have cap space to take on Hemsky's deal.

2. Injury history - No GM with cap space is going to take on a contract of 5 mil for a player that historically plays only a half a season annually on average due to injury.

3. Work Ethic - It is well documented by several scribes close to the team that Ales refuses to do interviews, is the last on the ice for practice and the first off at the end, he NEVER stays to work on aspects of his game. He is the first person in/out of the showers after games and practices and onto the bus.

This behavior is not the type that a 5 mil/yr "veteran" should be exhibiting to the younger crop.

1+2+3= currently untradeable asset

As for how he "feels"....Who knows or cares, that is an irrelevant comment in the context of the articles subject matter.

1. Cap Hit - Whose contract is worse in terms of cap hit, Horcoff's 2 year at 5.5M or Hemsky's 1 year at 5M? If Horcoff can be traded, I don't see any reason Hemsky's contract is untradeable.

2. Injury history - Hemsky was pretty healthy before 09-10. He had a shoulder surgery in 09-10 which limited him to 22 games. He returned in 10-11 and required surgery to the other shoulder. Then he took some time in the beginning of 11-12 to heal his shoulder. And he had no more health problem. This pass season he broke his foot blocking a shot, is this a health problem? If you compare his health record to Horcoff, he is not any worse than Horcoff. Actually, he played 38 games last year when Horcoff only plays 31 games.

3. Work Ethic - I don't see any problem with his on ice ethic. About his off ice ethic, I am not allowed in the dressing room nor have a chance to practice with him so I really don't know.

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#105 OilClog
September 05 2013, 05:13PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

Actually Hemsky is far from a One DIMENSIONAL player.. He's very slick at the puck retrieval, as to why it's so damn appealing for Ales to be in a checking role.

There is a market for Ales Hemsky, what there isn't a market for.. Making a sensible trade that will help improve the Edmonton Oilers, by moving Ales Hemsky. As MacT stated, he didn't find what he found as an acceptable return. This is a GM that knows how to protect his Value, whether you dimwit trolls can recognize it or not is obviously a different debate.

The guy plays a dozen games on a broken foot and still the media and trolls alike try to say his work ethic, drive, desire, passion, compete levels isn't there. He goes into every damn tough area puck battle there is on the ice. If Ales Hemsky was named Steve House, Ales Hemsky would be a freaking God among Men in MSM land.

Good Grief

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#106 2004Z06
September 05 2013, 08:58PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Well put! Thanks

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#107 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 10:57PM
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For those of you who are having trouble understanding DSF, he has created his own language, called DSelFish

While he continues to post comments that most of us who are unfamiliar with this language do not understand, I think I will try to help us decipher it every now again. Let me present DSFish encyclopedia, entry #1:

1) Mediocre - 1st round draft pick who has scored less than NHL 260 pts by the age of 24, less than 9 points in an NHL game, less than 4 Oilers franchise records, and has less than 2 gold and 2 silver medals representing Canada in international play. 2) Clarkson - a 4th line player who has never had more than 16 assists in a season. See also: player who is worth $5 million per season. See also: player who is worth more than any Oiler who has won an olympic medal, a WC gold, helped lead a team to game 7 of SCF, and has scored 0.82 ppg over the last 8 seasons/467 games played. 3) Oiler NHLE (relative to NJD players) - 0.528 (pts/game), 0.38 (career pts) 4) Minnesota prospect - see also: Sidney Crosby or Nicklas Lidstrom 5) The need to give one's head a shake - warranted when someone rationally believes that a skilled Oiler with a great NHL resume is more valuable to his team than a "gritty" forward with a one year track record and a new 37 million contract that has prevented his team from re-signing Kadri. 6) Brian Burke - see: Messiah 7) "I'll wager that" - I'll wager nothing when called out. 8) "not much" - when referred to a Canadian player, refers to any such player who was not invited to 2014 Canadian Olympic orientation camp. also see: Iginla, also see: Jamie Benn, also see: Ribeiro, Moulson, Kadri, Pacioretty, Nugent-Hopkins 9) Oilers NHLE (

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#108 Dangilitis
September 05 2013, 11:03PM
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9) Oilers NHLE (less than 25 years old, relative to rest of league): to be reduced by yet to be determined factor, secondary to "inflated point totals by Oilers out of desperate need by team to sell tickets") 10) "Desperation to sell tickets" - refers to non-existent needs of a team whose franchise has missed the playoffs for 6 years and still sells out every home game 11) "long history of mediocre captains" - when reference is to an NHL team, a team whose captains have included the 2 career leading points scorers. Also see: team whose captains (F & D) have produced 0.84 points per game while adorning the "C."

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#109 Poolanov
September 04 2013, 09:06PM
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Strange... looks like that lady's throat has been enlarged somehow or by something.

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#110 Kodiak
September 04 2013, 09:10PM
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Too much of a risk with his injury history for teams to give up much for Hemsky and not much risk and possible big rewards to keep him. Not real tough to understand.

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#111 OilLeak
September 04 2013, 09:31PM
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Where's Your Towel wrote:

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the suggestion that this team has been in any way afloat.

Too true.

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#112 uks ya!
September 04 2013, 09:32PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

We have too much cap space tied up in our third line RW and our number D5.

Hemsky yes, KiNda....

HOWEVER.....if 1 of our top 6 go down with a serious injury then we love Mac for keeping hemmer around!

and if you mean old ballz Shultz? as the over paid dman then yes I very much agree, but if you mean Ladi, then buddy...u went from getting props to trashed!

cheers!

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#113 oilerjed
September 04 2013, 10:14PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

He has negative value.

Sure he's a decent player but he has a contract that is far too expensive relative to his ability. Add to that the fact that his strengths are redundant on the oil - which is why he's on the third line rather where would be on a team that has a shortage of his ability which would be the second line.

But pride, stubbornness, fear of losing face, parsimony and a general lack of professional business conduct means the oil is stuck with hemsky as a net negative.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7zkd0kRS4

The contract has been signed for a year already, you cant take it back. If there wasnt an offer that could at least return equal points, why bother? We would have had to retain at least 1/3 of his salary either way. Buying him out doesn't work either as we still need to fill his spot with at least an equal body, which after the buyout would leave us where we are now cash wise in the end. Your beef with MacT doesnt change the reality of the situation, the Oilers already have to pay Hemsky and since he is pretty damn good anyway, why not keep him for a year and smile? Trade him at the deadline for a pick if there is interest,but why ruin our depth now?

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#114 Woogie63
September 04 2013, 10:45PM
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uks ya! wrote:

Hemsky yes, KiNda....

HOWEVER.....if 1 of our top 6 go down with a serious injury then we love Mac for keeping hemmer around!

and if you mean old ballz Shultz? as the over paid dman then yes I very much agree, but if you mean Ladi, then buddy...u went from getting props to trashed!

cheers!

I meant Shultz, i would consider Smid D2.

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#115 They're $hittie
September 05 2013, 08:19AM
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DSF wrote:

1) He is much smarter than Jay Feaster

2) He is much smarter than Kevin Lowe

3) He has a history of turning around moribund franchises in short order (VCR, ANA, TOR)

4) He wins (often by a wide margin) every trade he engineers.

5) He has no patience for being a loser.

6) He has won a Stanley Cup.

7) None of the above applies to the Oilers management team.

Now shut the hell up.

Your using a qualitative version of smarter. Do you know what their IQ is?

He turned around Vancouver fiscally. While he did get some pieces of the current canucks, he was not around or involved in the building of the finished product. You could practically say this about tambo in 5 years.

He inherited the team in Anaheim, and had Lowes hands tied with the Pronger situation. So in reality he did not trun Anaheim around or win a cup with them he inherited the cup and the situation.

Yes he use to win trades. Now no one trades with him anymore. So lets see how much he wins going forward.

No patients for being a loser applies to Tambo. Mac T has been on the job for 6 months. Also another stupid qualitative measurement strummed up by DSF.

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#116 Batfink
September 05 2013, 08:53AM
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Anybody read Spector's 'City of Losers' article on Sportsnet? Apart from the usual bone-headed statements, it is really quite an awful article. One sentence paragraphs? Seriously? You, sir, are a tabloid hack.

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#117 Will
September 05 2013, 09:08AM
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I am unsure how we can say Hemsky is a talented player one minute, but realize no one wanted him the next. Yes I understand cap concerns and Hemsky's contract, but if he is really as good as everyone keep saying he is, then I don't think those concerns would really matter.

As for him vs Clarkson, isn't Clarkson LW? If not then I would much rather have Clarkson on my third line over Hemsky, just not at the price he's currently getting paid.

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#118 Czar
September 05 2013, 09:14AM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

With Feaster,King and Burke calling the shots in Calgary the only ones who should be afraid are the buffet owners.

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#119 bdiddy18
September 05 2013, 09:15AM
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Should the Oilers be competing by Trade Deadline Day - Hemsky would be the type of player addition you would want for a playoff push.

Kid goes from the best thing Oilers had drafted/developed through their system for a decade talent/skill wise to a persona non grata with fans. brutal!

Ales Hemsky could be the Petr Sykora of the championship Devils and later Penguins. Its a fair comparision and Sykora was no slouch of a player who got to play with more talent in his career.

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#120 RMGS
September 05 2013, 09:19AM
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DSF wrote:

Brian Burke poised to take over the Flames:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431209

Be very afraid Oiler fans.

Hahahahahaha!....Hahahahahaah!....Hahaha!....

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#121 Smokey
September 05 2013, 09:24AM
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Batfink wrote:

Anybody read Spector's 'City of Losers' article on Sportsnet? Apart from the usual bone-headed statements, it is really quite an awful article. One sentence paragraphs? Seriously? You, sir, are a tabloid hack.

Spectors been driving me just lately. I can't listen to his show. He's better on TV. Team should do Fraser's deck or something...

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#122 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:25AM
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DSF wrote:

$5.0M vs. $1.35M

Is there anything else you need to know?

Is that the same 1.35M contract he signed coming off of seasons of 29, 15, and 21 points?

Let me try your system.

Remember when Stamkos scored 51 goals on a 3.725 cap hit? That's what smart GMs do.

Did I do it right?

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#123 Lochenzo
September 05 2013, 09:27AM
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@ DSF: Brian Burke is not the guy you want if you are doing a complete rebuild. Burke's ego makes him too impatient for a rebuild.

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#124 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:29AM
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DSF wrote:

Stan Bowman's 3rd line:

Brandon Saad ($895K)-Michal Handzus ($1M)-Jimmy Hayes ($875K).

Please note that Hemsky is paid twice as much as THE ENTIRE Chicago 3rd line.

Better inform Stan Bowman so he can get his team back on track.

2 ELCs and a 36 year old who has been in decline for a while. Got it.

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#125 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:30AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

Agreed. Hemsky is better at hockey and Clarkson is better at crashing into the boards.

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#126 pkam
September 05 2013, 09:32AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Is hemsky a better physical player than clarkson. No way. Hemsky is better at somethings and worse at others. What he's good at the oil doesn't have much need.

Anaheim got a lucky break getting pronger just as the oil did. Without pronger Lowe and co would not have had a playoff game in eight years. Five cups all happened before the Berlin Wall came down save the last one.

Burke was forced out of Toronto by a meddling bell telco executive who demanded Burke trade for luongo. Who got the last laugh in that?

Good grief indeed.

Hemsky has been consistently a 70 pt player, except the last 2 years when he is having health problem.

Clarkson is a 30-40 pt player except one year. Wait until he has some health problem and we will see how well his contract becomes.

If Hemsky can bounce back to his form, his 5 million contract will be a steal compare to Clarkson's 8 year 5.25M contract.

You can say we won't make the playoff without pronger, but do you think we will make the playoff without Roloson, or Hemsky in that year. Hemsky and Roloson are the other key players that we won't make the playoff without them.

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#127 Czar
September 05 2013, 09:34AM
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Smokey wrote:

Spectors been driving me just lately. I can't listen to his show. He's better on TV. Team should do Fraser's deck or something...

I was surprised we didn't hear about some kind of altercation at these deck parties, after a few beers...

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#128 TigerUnderGlass
September 05 2013, 09:36AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Not one of the players you cite is on a third line of a good team. The oil needs 2/3 line level of fierceness/physicality.

Hemsky has negative value everywhere including here. 5$mm is far too much dough.

I don't think "negative value" means what you think it means.

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#129 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:04AM
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Will wrote:

I am unsure how we can say Hemsky is a talented player one minute, but realize no one wanted him the next. Yes I understand cap concerns and Hemsky's contract, but if he is really as good as everyone keep saying he is, then I don't think those concerns would really matter.

As for him vs Clarkson, isn't Clarkson LW? If not then I would much rather have Clarkson on my third line over Hemsky, just not at the price he's currently getting paid.

Hemsky has been having health problem lately.

He had a shoulder injury and needed a surgery in 2009-10 after a great start of 22 pts in 22 games.

He came back very strong in 2010-11 but needed another shoulder surgery after 47 games.

Seems like his recovery after the 2nd surgery was going too good and he was unable to start the 2011-12 on time and was struggling after his return. He did finish the season strong and that was why the management signed him to the 2 year 5 million contract expecting him to return to his ppg performance.

Last year, he has a better start than the year before but broke his foot blocking shot.

Clarkson has been pretty healthy and yet he never scored more than 40 pts except one year. What will happen if he starts to hit the injury bug?

If you ask me to pick Hemsky at 5.0M or Clarkson at 5.25M, I'll pick Hemsky over Clarkson any day. The only problem with Hemsky is can he get healthy and back to his 70+ pt per 82 game. If he can, 5.0M is a steal in today's market. With Clarkson, it will be a good year if he scores 50 pts.

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#130 pkam
September 05 2013, 10:11AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

It isn't all about points. Clarkson has a physical dimension that is non existent with hemsky (which is why MacT tried to get him)

Eight freaking years ago hemsky was a vastly better Player than he is now and the team had a huge dearth of scoring talent. It is completely different today.

Clarkson is a better version of Jones.

I understand how he fits better into our roster need than Hemsky, but 5.25M for 8 years is a very risky commitment, much worse than the 5.0M 2 years we commit on Hemsky.

Jones had been great for us for 2 years and what happened last year after an eye injury? Wait until Clarkson has some health problem which is almost a guarantee for physical players.

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#131 Rama Lama
September 05 2013, 10:38AM
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Props to MacT for turning the Hemsky thing into something positive..........turning lemons into lemonaide.

I cant help but wonder just how difficult Mac T has made Eakins job now with all the additions. Exactly where will all the role players play? We have enough one way contracts to field six lines?

I guess it's a nice problem to have if you are a GM........but a coach?

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#132 pkam
September 05 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

You do understand the bet was for this season?

Not the next eight seasons.

The only way Hemmer does not outscore Clarkson is an injury to Hemmer. With Hemmer's injury record that is a real possibility.

My question is outside of points who will help his team more?

So are you telling me that you sign a player to 8 years and you only need him to perform for one year?

Hemsky only have health problem for 2 years, 09-10 and 10-11. He was doing great at the end of 11-12.

He played for Czech in WC that same year and was the top scorer for the Czech team, ahead of Thomas Plekanec, David Krejci, and Milan Michalek.

He started well this season and broke his foot blocking shot, which has nothing to do with his shoulder anymore.

Do I expect him to have a good year? My answer is same expectation I have with RNH.

I understand we have 3 top 6 RW and one of them will be moved eventually and Hemsky is most likely the odd man out. But to say he has no value or worse than Clarkson is just stupid.

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#133 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:22AM
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spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

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#134 pkam
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

Nobody knows if Hemsky will play 82 games this year.

This pass season, if Hemsky didn't break his foot blocking shot, he would have played the full 48 games and beat Clarkson in pts.

Any reason to think otherwise?

The only reason I can think of is the Oilers is in a more physical division with Kings, Ducks, and Sharks and Coyotes which puts our team in a less favorable scenario and makes our players more likely to get injury than the Leafs.

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#135 pkam
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spydyr wrote "Spin pure spin.

Brownlee is right. Still it sure beats the poop out of the Souray debacle.

Let us hope he lights it up early trying for a spot at the Olympics, does not get hurt. Then he can be traded for one of the many missing pieces later in the year."

Ok the spin is done, now play the games. What if Hemsky is lighting it up and the oilers are winning, do you still want to trade the most dynamic part of the 3rd line that is doing this? I wouldn't, I think this is a great experiment and am anxious to see how it unfolds. Hemmer, Omark, Gordon.

I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

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#136 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:41AM
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50 pt guy on the 3rd line for another 2 years would be a bargain IF the oilers are winning with this scenario. firewagon pond hockey is back!

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#137 tileguy
September 05 2013, 11:42AM
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#138 pkam
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Spydyr wrote:

We are talking about a bet Dangilitis is trying to make with DSF.

You get that right? I'm not so sure you do.

This has nothing to do with eight years down the road.

Once again it is about the bet.

I go back to read Dangilitis again and think over it and I'll bet that Hemsky will score more points than Clarkson even he only plays 60 games this upcoming season and I believe he can.

It is Hemsky's contract year and Clarkson just sign an 8 years deal. This alone will be a big factor.

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#139 Bucknuck
September 05 2013, 12:39PM
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I like to keep Hemsky but lets be real, we can't afford a 3rd line at 9M, and Hemsky won't resign with us for less than 4M.

If Hemsky gets healthy (which I expect) and is willing to sign with us long term for 3.5M, then it is a no-brainer. Otherwise, get as much as we can at the trade deadline.

Until we know the details of the new Salary cap, statements of "we can't afford x" don't hold much water. Let's see how much wiggle room there is at the end of the year.

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#140 2004Z06
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I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Actually I am not wrong. As the season has not yet started, it is for "one more year".

As for links, google is a beautiful thing. Here is one in particular from this site. (note the title of the article)

http://oilersnation.com/2013/1/12/more-ales-hemsky-trade-rumours-2

You have come on this site and repeatedly bashed Brownlee for his opinion. Frankly, it's becoming weak.

If you are not a fan of his articles, simply do not read them.

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#141 2004Z06
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I'm sorry but you have no idea about his work ethic. It's this kind of preaching something as fact which is nothing but spin that clouds the debate. How many times has he come back from injury or surgery? You don't think that might be an indication of a good work ethic? He made the NHL, you don't think that might've taken some work ethic?

And have you personally ever seen him on the ice late or off early? You've been in the locker room when he showered quickly and left? And how is a quick shower an indication of poor work ethic? How is not wanting to do interviews with men who consistently throw him under the bus an indication of poor work ethic? Why is being an introvert associated with having poor work ethic?

These are all assumptions and strawmen arguments that have been part of the debate regarding the best oiler of the past decade for far too long.

Why was Socrates the wisest man of his time? Because he did not presume to know, that which he did not know. Many of the Nation could to well to follow such advice.

Not presuming anything, look it up.

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#142 2004Z06
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm glad you're breaking it down to me here in the internet world. I hope you don't break down anything for anyone in the real world.

If it is well documented, please show me a link or two, from the years past when the Oilers said they were shopping Hemsky around. Please.

1. You're wrong. This is Hemsky's last year on this contract. There isn't a $5 mil cap hit for another year. There is plenty teams this year that could have afforded to pay Hemsky his $5mil.

2. Plays half a season on average? Do you know how math works?

3. What does work ethic have to do with interviews? You'd like Hemsky to treat his teammates like his dates: hold the door for them and make sure they get in/out first? If a practice has a start and an end, what do you want from him? Free overtime? You've watched him shower?

What do you know about behavior?

I doubt that you know what 1+2+3 adds up to.

As for how he "feels": that is the assumptions that you and your hero try to cover first. Irrelevant is a good word.;-')

Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

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#143 pkam
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Since 2009, Hemsky has played 176 of 294 games. 59.8%, I stand corrected.

Crosby only played 180 of 294 games since 2009, 4 games more than Hemsky.

What is worse is of the 212 games since 2010, Hemsky played 152 and Crosby only played 99. Does it mean Crosby has more injury problem and is less tradeable than Hemsky?

By the way, our new acquirement Dave Perron only played 115 games since 2010, 37 games less than Hemsky.

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#144 DonDon
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Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

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DonDon wrote:

Things are getting a little nasty and personal on oilersnation. Not surprising it centres on the enigma, Ales Hemsky, a player that is projected to be on the third line if he can stay injury-free and will likely be an UFA next year, unless traded.

The other player that brings the same heated controversy among posters is Sam Gagner.

The fans of these players apparently believe that any criticism whatsoever is hateful and totally undeserved. Why is this?

I have no hate for Ales Hemsky, I have always respected him for the fact that he has sacrificed a lot for the Oilers.

My comments were directed towards a few readers interpretation of Brownlee's article.

My point was that his opinion was understandable based on the facts as we currently know them.

As with Spector's articles, Brownlee's opinion can be polarizing.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion, people should respect that the writers on ON provide us with the fodder we comment on here daily.

Bashing any of them for their opinion is disrespectful considering the fact that without them, the site wouldn't exist.

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#146 David S
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Anyone who didn't know Hemsky was on the trading block,is deaf, cant read or is just an idiot. MacT was blunt in his commentary about moving Hemsky and Horcoff.. Whats not to understand.

Yes there are teams that could afford a $5million cap hit, they just weren't going to spend it on one dimentional player, with a very poor work ethic... something else that has been well documented over the years.

Sanaa, your posts are making DSF, look like a genius.

The work ethic thing is a fabrication of some fans and media. Truth is, you don't get as good at anything as Hemsky is at hockey without a killer work ethic so perhaps we should let that old nut fall by the wayside.

Hemsky has been hurt alot in the past few years and lost substantial parts of seasons or has considerably underperformed when he was able to play. No NHL GM is going to risk a $5 Million cap hit for a guy with extremely questionable durability at 30 ears of age.

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#147 TigerUnderGlass
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@Oiler Al

Just to be clear - Hemsky is a bad player because he turns the puck over a lot?

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#148 Dangilitis
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You have too little at risk. A half hearted crow eating fest. Give DSF something to shoot for.

Loser picks up the production/screening costs of the next batch of the charitable Oilersnation t-shirts/hoodies. To burn a screen, ink and labour, you're looking at 400-500 dollars.

This hatchet race to get at DSF looks to have been turned up a notch this year. Without DSF here for many to slag, where would people go to trash someone so they can feel better about themselves?

He could pick the terms if he wanted to, but he never responds when the other end of the deal is that he stop posting on this site.

I don't trash him to feel good about myself, and such an implication is foolish at best. Maybe you come on this site to feel better about yourself, but then if you are an Oilers fan, you must be a masochist... I am a proud Oiler fan, and I know there was not a lot to be proud about over the last 6-7 years. I would argue that Oiler fans in general (and I hate speaking in generalities) are quite intelligent and well-meaning, and do engage in debate in meaningful ways on a variety of sites, which as a whole, constitute one of the best collection of opinions offered for any NHL team. Agreed?

I don't need some a**hole know it all whose comments border on insanity tell sensible Oiler fans what there is to dislike about this team. Especially when he speaks in hyperbole. I don't need to come on here and have every conversation dominated by someone who always wants the last word and the wrong word on any matter Oilers. It is a joke, frankly. I challenge him to this bet so that if I win (and healthy Hemsky vs Clarkson is no contest), we do not have to put up with his BS any longer. It completely detracts from the point of this site, and while it is within his right of free speech, it impinges upon the rights of other fans to engage in productive conversation.

He continues to cower away from any challenges. I know now and have evidence from several exchanges that when he is challenged with facts, he produces irrelevant ones or backs away. He has done the latter today.

But thanks dude for your insight, I bet you are a forensic pscyhologist by day.

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#149 Dangilitis
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