HOW MANY JOBS IN PLAY?

Lowetide
September 07 2013 10:49AM

As we ready ourselves for training camp 2013, it seems to me there a more jobs in play at this year's training camp. Craig MacTavish added so many defensemen this summer there's a major question about the 6-7-8 slots, and there are a lot of wingers hanging around, too. Add those things to the major need (center) and we're probably looking at a more fluid TC than we've seen in recent seasons. There's competition this year!

THE WAIVER WIRE

In most training camps, Oilers management makes their roster choices with an eye to waiver eligibility. If a player is eligible to be sent down without fear of waiver loss, the brass needs to be blown away by your performance before risking another player. I would argue Edmonton has gone overboard in this regard, to the point of protecting players whose value doesn't reach the level of waiver worry, but that's an easy argument to make from the comfort of my computer screen.

This season's Oilers roster might look like this as we enter camp (23 total)

  • Goal (2): Devan Dubnyk, Jason LaBarbera
  • Defense (8): Ladislav Smid, Jeff Petry, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz, Nick Schultz, Denis Grebeshkov, Phil Larsen, Corey Potter
  • Center (4): Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sam Gagner, Boyd Gordon, Anton Lander
  • Left Wing (4): Taylor Hall, David Perron, Ryan Smyth, Jesse Joensuu
  • Right Wing (5): Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov, Ales Hemsky, Ryan Jones, Mike Brown

Non-roster Exempt from waivers: D Anton Belov, C Will Acton, C Andrew Miller

I think that's correct, please shout out if I have something wonky. Guys like Lander and Yakupov (and baby Nuge) are also exempt from waivers, and in the case of Lander that's an interesting item and perhaps leaves him vulnerable.

In the previous regime, we'd see Edmonton keep 8 defenders, send down Belov and avoid any waiver worries. The roster would be set not so much on ability or roster needs, but on eligibility. That happens often with rebuilding teams, and certainly has been a staple of Edmonton's decision making process for over a decade (Glen Sather's waiver lists were always good for a shock or surprise).

HOW MANY RUSSIANS?

I think Belov and Grebshkov both have a very good chance to make the team. Belov as a puck moving option who might be a brilliant signing if he can make the jump, and Grebeshkov as a trusted hand and mentor for young Nail Yakupov. This assumes Grebeshkov's skills haven't eroded since he left the NHL, but he's young enough for this to be a reasoable bet.

If my prediction holds true, it means there will be 8D opening night and that Nick Schultz, Phil Larsen or Corey Potter may be traded or exposed to waivers.

HOW MANY CENTERMEN?

I think the club likely has only 4 center's to start the season (the 4C job is probably either Lander's or Acton's) but we shouldn't be surprised if Ryan Smyth moves to the middle. Also, despite RNH's recent appearances showing he has all his fingers and toes, Bob McKenzie feels Taylor Hall may play some center this season.

McKenzie may be working off old information, but could in fact have some new intel that inspired last night's tweet. Hall at center is an interesting idea, the depth chart would look much different (C-L-R):

  • Hall-Perron-Eberle
  • Nuge-Smyth-Hemsky
  • Gagner-Omark-Yakupov

You don't have to thank me, I know you love it! Hall moving to center gives this team scary depth and quality up the middle if it works. IF. IT. WORKS.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think coach Dallas Eakins will have tremendous leeway when it comes to roster decisions. It's time to roll. If the correct roster set means exposing Corey Potter or Ryan Jones to waivers, I believe the Oilers will do it. We're long since past the days of fretting over the fringe players.

How many jobs in play? Five: 4C, 3L, 4L, 6D, 7D, and there's an entire infrantry division lined up trying to win the jobs.

That's a good thing.

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#1 Larry Kranowski
September 07 2013, 10:55AM
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I would let him in

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#2 Batfink
September 07 2013, 10:58AM
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Your article raises an important question about the integrity of the game.. Does a team really ice the 'best team possible' based on player ability, or is there a caveat: As long as we don't lose any players to waivers'?

Are there examples of teams keeping inferior players because of the waiver wire? I know in other sports there are rules against doing this kind of thing, such as putting lesser teams out against inferior opposition, or when the game is meaningless to the standings. This is mainly because people spend their hard earned dough to see a quality product, and not a line of second stringers.

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#3 DSF
September 07 2013, 11:06AM
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McKenzie is at the young stars tournament in Penticton so I imagine his info is current.

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#4 DSF
September 07 2013, 11:06AM
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McKenzie is at the young stars tournament in Penticton so I imagine his info is current.

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#5 Jay Gray
September 07 2013, 11:07AM
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I would be totally fine losing Potter on waivers. Hopefully Belov comes in and surpasses all expectations.

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#6 Czar
September 07 2013, 11:09AM
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Will Belov have all his paperwork in place by the time camp starts? Might be the easy choice to send to OKC for conditioning reasons if it gets dragged out.

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#7 Czar
September 07 2013, 11:17AM
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Larry Kranowski wrote:

I would let him in

He's got that same look in his eyes Messier use to get.

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#8 Oil Can
September 07 2013, 11:21AM
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I like Bob McKenzie, but the Oilers doctors are not giving him updates, as to the status of RNH's health. We will know how RNH is doing as training camp moves along. Until then everything is just speculation and rumour.

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#9 Jay Gray
September 07 2013, 11:24AM
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I'm just gonna trash everything DSF posts from now on, regardless of content. I'm assuming I'm not the only one

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#10 John Chambers
September 07 2013, 11:53AM
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LT - you must be convinced that Omark doesn't have a hope of playing on the big club. Not even in a cameo prior to RNH's return?

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#12 Benny Botts
September 07 2013, 12:10PM
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LT,

•Gagner-Omark-Yakupov

I cant see that line working out, unless.. they are only getting starts in the offensive end. This line would get killed in their own end of the ice.

I am seeing a lot of love for Omark playing either on the 2nd or 3rd line, I just cannot see that working with the personnel on this roster already. I think they will give him a long look in preseason but eventually end up in OKC and play out the year there and go to the open market.

Thoughts?

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#13 Chris
September 07 2013, 12:21PM
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I've been an oiler fan my whole life, and really started following them closely just prior to the Todd Marchant goal of 97'. I dont ever really remember this much depth coming to a camp before. Like quality depth. I know there are question marks surrounding the Russian Dmen, but I really can't remember a time where we had a pretty solid top 6, top 8 including Hemsky and Gordon. And a solid 5 d men. Things are really looking up here, you cannot honestly say you aren't excited for the next 4-5 years in Oil country.

The kids are some of the best young stars of their individual country's age group. And a couple blue chip dmen coming up the pipeline as well. We will be challenging for the playoffs this year and next year pack your bags because we are going on a run for stanleys mug.

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#14 Harry
September 07 2013, 12:27PM
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Zero chance Smyth gets second line minutes. I love the guy but with the forward group we have theres no way Smyth sees more ice time than Yak or even Omark

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#15 Batfink
September 07 2013, 12:28PM
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Chris wrote:

I've been an oiler fan my whole life, and really started following them closely just prior to the Todd Marchant goal of 97'. I dont ever really remember this much depth coming to a camp before. Like quality depth. I know there are question marks surrounding the Russian Dmen, but I really can't remember a time where we had a pretty solid top 6, top 8 including Hemsky and Gordon. And a solid 5 d men. Things are really looking up here, you cannot honestly say you aren't excited for the next 4-5 years in Oil country.

The kids are some of the best young stars of their individual country's age group. And a couple blue chip dmen coming up the pipeline as well. We will be challenging for the playoffs this year and next year pack your bags because we are going on a run for stanleys mug.

Love the optimism, I'm a Kool-Aid fan too. I am even prepared to be in the mix for a couple of years before we make a big run. As long as we're competitive!

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#16 ed in edmonton
September 07 2013, 12:33PM
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I would really like the Oil to give Hall a trial at center. Even if he goes back to left wing as his regular position, knowing that he could play center if the need arises (assuming he does well) gives the Oil more options going forward.

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#17 Numenius
September 07 2013, 12:39PM
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I think Grebeshkov has the best chance of passing through waivers. He's signed for more money than Potter and Larson and was terrible recently in the KHL. No other team would take a chance on him at this stage.

I also remain more pessimistic about Grebeshkov than Potter or Larson, given his last KHL year. For those two reasons, unless he shows really well at camp, he'd be my first choice to send down through waivers to OKC. Let him prove himself there and bring him up in case of injury.

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#18 justDOit
September 07 2013, 12:40PM
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@Batfink

I find mixing the koolaid with vodka helps, but don't use any water - just dump the powder straight into the bottle!

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#19 Batfink
September 07 2013, 12:44PM
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justDOit wrote:

I find mixing the koolaid with vodka helps, but don't use any water - just dump the powder straight into the bottle!

Ok, here goes. Hmmm, pretty tast- jshduchsuhohbxsk...................

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#20 Racki
September 07 2013, 01:27PM
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That animated gif of The Shining is unreal... whoever did that deserves some sort of award. Brings creepy to a new level

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#21 hemi
September 07 2013, 01:42PM
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I have been a fan of this Team, City, Province since I moved here many a year ago from the Rock. I was crazy happy when we joined the NHL in 79. I could not wait to cheer for the Mighty Oil to beat the two teams, (Habs & Laffs) that I grew up hating. As a young fella, I cheered for the Hawks and still to this day, I have a soft spot for that team.

Kool-Aid or not, I love this team and have so since day one! Good, Bad and plain Ugly...still my team.

The heck with the negative nellies that post far too often on this site. It has become very obvious that your negativism is part of your personal traits.

I believe in the Oil and as much as I have been disappointed at times, I will never totally give up on this team. It has been difficult for that last 7 or so years (a few more ahead of us as well) but if push comes to shove, I will wear my Oilers Colours with as much pride as I had when they just joined the league. My son and daughter (both adults now) share the same pride even though they have no actual memories of the Glory Days.

I love the Oil and with that, GO OIL GO!

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#23 DSF
September 07 2013, 01:50PM
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Numenius wrote:

I think Grebeshkov has the best chance of passing through waivers. He's signed for more money than Potter and Larson and was terrible recently in the KHL. No other team would take a chance on him at this stage.

I also remain more pessimistic about Grebeshkov than Potter or Larson, given his last KHL year. For those two reasons, unless he shows really well at camp, he'd be my first choice to send down through waivers to OKC. Let him prove himself there and bring him up in case of injury.

At this point in the pre-season, when most teams have locked down their training camp rosters and have a surplus of wannabe defensemen, clearing waivers should be pretty easy for any of the Oilers 6-10 defensemen.

I can't think of too many teams that don't have at least 7 NHL calibre defensemen and, some have more than that.

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#24 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
September 07 2013, 01:59PM
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Lowtide, you say we are long since past the days of fretting over these fringe players. Hopefully that means we are also long since past the days of giving up 3rd and 4th round draft picks to get these fringe players in the first place?

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#26 Ari Gold
September 07 2013, 02:05PM
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I love those lines, salivating at the thought of 3 scoring lines with Gordo on the 4th for a checking line. I see several holes though:

1. Smyth belongs in nothing more than a 4th line role.

2. Omark and Yak cannot be on a line with Gags. It would have to be with Hall to keep a defensive balance, or face a corsi nightmare.

3. I'd love to see Perron on a line with Nuge. Perron being a great 2-way player could take a lot of defensive pressure off of Nuge and free him up to develop a true 200ft game while facing tough competition.

This does expose the Oil at left-wing, which is a less critical area than centre. The big question is, will Hall benefit the team more at centre or on the wing? Adjustment period aside, I still think Hall's natural position is LW and having Perron as the team's top, and only, decent LW would expose the team heavily with Hall as an unnatural centre, like Gags.

Hall at centre is a Band-Aid. Not a solution.

If you think otherwise, I'll find you, and make you pay. Mr. Chambers.

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#27 @Oilanderp
September 07 2013, 02:43PM
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Smyth is a 3-4 LW and guy in front on the PP. He's slowed down for sure but you don't need speed to do what he has excelled at forever. I think he has the most PP goals for the Oil in history.

Maybe this year we see Hemsky do whatever required for the team and move to LW? He's a rover anyway!

Can't wait to get this started.

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#28 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
September 07 2013, 02:59PM
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@ed in edmonton

Exactly my thoughts too. I prefer Hall on the wing so he can run and gun, but if he can slide to centre if Nuge or Gags goes down, we'll already be looking better down the middle.

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#29 Zarny
September 07 2013, 03:12PM
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"Not only to be highly competitive, but to be challenging for the Stanley Cup." That was MacT's mission statement.

The situation isn't anywhere near as dire but I'm reminded of the phrase shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Hall is interesting at C because he was the Oil's best player last year and he isn't small. His speed utilized over more ice is enticing. However, he has very little experience at C even at junior and a career FO% of 0.437.

And it opens a gigantic hole on LW. Last year, you could time Smyth's skating with a sun dial. On any playoff team Smyth is 4th line at best. He'll get embarrassed against top 6 F.

MacT identified the painfully obvious lack of size as a primary need and top 9 F additions are Perron and now Linus Omark? I like both players but they aren't what the Oil need.

The Oil finished 12th last year and they've upgraded a 30 pt LW to 50 pt and added some depth at 4-7 D and a backup G. If they avoid 10 game losing streaks and injuries 8th place is realistic this year, but it's been baby steps towards winning the Cup.

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#30 Serious Gord
September 07 2013, 03:13PM
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hemi wrote:

I have been a fan of this Team, City, Province since I moved here many a year ago from the Rock. I was crazy happy when we joined the NHL in 79. I could not wait to cheer for the Mighty Oil to beat the two teams, (Habs & Laffs) that I grew up hating. As a young fella, I cheered for the Hawks and still to this day, I have a soft spot for that team.

Kool-Aid or not, I love this team and have so since day one! Good, Bad and plain Ugly...still my team.

The heck with the negative nellies that post far too often on this site. It has become very obvious that your negativism is part of your personal traits.

I believe in the Oil and as much as I have been disappointed at times, I will never totally give up on this team. It has been difficult for that last 7 or so years (a few more ahead of us as well) but if push comes to shove, I will wear my Oilers Colours with as much pride as I had when they just joined the league. My son and daughter (both adults now) share the same pride even though they have no actual memories of the Glory Days.

I love the Oil and with that, GO OIL GO!

Unbridled optimism = sucker. An easy marks for oiler management and marketing.

I'm a decades long rooter of the oilers as well. But I also understand that a vital part of being someone who wants the oil to succeed is demand excellence of those who work for the team on and off the ice. It is the difference between a Yankees fan and a cubs fan, for example.

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#31 OilClog
September 07 2013, 04:03PM
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Eberle should be trying out at center, end of story.

Ebs, Hall, Yak Gags, Perron, Hemsky Xxx(arcobello for now), Omark, Joenssu Gordon, Smyth, Jones

The loss of Hall on the left side is too tremendous, it's Washington putting Ovie in the middle.. No sense.

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#32 Oilcan
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I think Belov makes the team right out of camp, I'm surprised at how Many people think he doesn't. I also think if it's a battle for the 8th d spot between larson and potter that Larson gets it regardless if potter is better or not because of his upside.

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#33 Darrell
September 07 2013, 04:46PM
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hemi wrote:

I have been a fan of this Team, City, Province since I moved here many a year ago from the Rock. I was crazy happy when we joined the NHL in 79. I could not wait to cheer for the Mighty Oil to beat the two teams, (Habs & Laffs) that I grew up hating. As a young fella, I cheered for the Hawks and still to this day, I have a soft spot for that team.

Kool-Aid or not, I love this team and have so since day one! Good, Bad and plain Ugly...still my team.

The heck with the negative nellies that post far too often on this site. It has become very obvious that your negativism is part of your personal traits.

I believe in the Oil and as much as I have been disappointed at times, I will never totally give up on this team. It has been difficult for that last 7 or so years (a few more ahead of us as well) but if push comes to shove, I will wear my Oilers Colours with as much pride as I had when they just joined the league. My son and daughter (both adults now) share the same pride even though they have no actual memories of the Glory Days.

I love the Oil and with that, GO OIL GO!

Freaking awesome post and pity the fool that trashed your 18-0 (prop-trash) statistic ! Bleed oil of fack off ...

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#34 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
September 07 2013, 04:52PM
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Jay Gray wrote:

I'm just gonna trash everything DSF posts from now on, regardless of content. I'm assuming I'm not the only one

you're not

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#35 WhattaMike
September 07 2013, 04:59PM
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IMO, I see some differences here to what ya wrote LT....

If the Oilers let Hall go to centre, and stay there awhile...unless he performs there well, the biggest loss will be the #1 line left wing position.

That being said, for now at the start of the season, my four lines would look more like the following:

1. Hall(C)- Perron(LW)- Yakupov(RW) 1A. RNH(C)- Joensuu(LW)- Eberle(RW) 3. Gagner(C)- Smyth(LW)- Hemsky(RW) 4. Gordon(C)- Omark(LW)- Jones(RW)

Any of the 13th to 14th man extras (based on whether the Oilers keep 7 or 8 defenders) would be one to two of Brown, Eager, Hamilton.

Now there is excellent to good scoring ability with decent defensive skill on every line. The reason for these 4 lines (so far at this date and time without any further trades/signings as yet) is that I would try Joensuu on the 1A line with RNH and Ebs. It's because of his size and very decent skating ability. Also the guy has some soft hands for scoring. He may not get a ton of points, but, from the deep corners in the offence zones, and with hard hitting talents, he could easily open room up for RNH and Ebs. Then the Oilers could allow Omark to try and work well with Gordon and Jones.

I think that's why MacT went for Joensuu ... because he may be a better version than Hartikainen was ever gonna be for the same type 2nd line to 3rd line job/position.

In my mind also, Yakupov rates higher top me than Hemsky right now as a RW and he deserves (with shown ethics and work to the team) that he should be the top #1 or #2 right winger on the team with Eberle now.

Last to say, for me, is that the waiver wire type forwards right now on the bubble would likely be one or two of Eager, Jones, Brown, and/or a defenceman of maybe Grebeshkov, Belov (hope not for him), Potter and/or Larsen.

I think with of the defenders, it will be mostly based on what Klefbom and Belov each show/does...during TC.

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#36 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
September 07 2013, 05:33PM
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Harry wrote:

Zero chance Smyth gets second line minutes. I love the guy but with the forward group we have theres no way Smyth sees more ice time than Yak or even Omark

All it would take is for Hall or Perron to miss a shift and he's in that top 6. If Hall slides into the middle to start the year, Smyth could even start the season as 2nd line left wing. Oilers are desperately weak in the middle, as well as on the left side.

It's not a matter of if he'll be in that top 6, it's only a matter of when, and how long this will be a reality.

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#37 Serious Gord
September 07 2013, 05:40PM
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A little of topic - something that speaks to the need for the team to hit the ground running at the start of the season:

After the first game with the jets the oil play 14 games with only two of those teams finishing out of the playoffs last season (NJ and PHX). And nine are on the road. If bob mc is right that whole period - the month of October will be played without RNH. Getting through that month and being in eight or better will be a huge challenge.

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That required strong start has suddenly evaporated with their first line center out a month. There's the built in excuse for this season.

How long does the new guy get, 3 years before MacTavish gets a report card?

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#39 non descript
September 07 2013, 05:58PM
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i would be tempted to try eberle at center instead of hall if rnh isn't ready to go. eberle played more center in junior than hall and that would allow hall to stay at his more effective position while also ensuring yakupov plays right wing where he was far more dangerous last year.

hall gagner yakupov

perron eberle hemsky

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#40 Serious Gord
September 07 2013, 07:29PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

That required strong start has suddenly evaporated with their first line center out a month. There's the built in excuse for this season.

How long does the new guy get, 3 years before MacTavish gets a report card?

Time is fast approaching for fans and media commenters alike to lay down some markers for what is required of the team to have what will be considered a successful season. If we don't, and they fail, they will weasel out of accountability yet again.

At minimum I think they have to make the playoffs. The price for failing to do so has to be the termination of Kevin Lowe's presidency.

And having just one player missing form the roster for 15 games is not enough - not near enough - of an excuse.

In fact if injuries plague this team yet again - last year being an exception - again in the top five for that ugly stat - then that should be seen as a symptom - not an excuse.

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#41 Tom
September 07 2013, 07:48PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

IMO, I see some differences here to what ya wrote LT....

If the Oilers let Hall go to centre, and stay there awhile...unless he performs there well, the biggest loss will be the #1 line left wing position.

That being said, for now at the start of the season, my four lines would look more like the following:

1. Hall(C)- Perron(LW)- Yakupov(RW) 1A. RNH(C)- Joensuu(LW)- Eberle(RW) 3. Gagner(C)- Smyth(LW)- Hemsky(RW) 4. Gordon(C)- Omark(LW)- Jones(RW)

Any of the 13th to 14th man extras (based on whether the Oilers keep 7 or 8 defenders) would be one to two of Brown, Eager, Hamilton.

Now there is excellent to good scoring ability with decent defensive skill on every line. The reason for these 4 lines (so far at this date and time without any further trades/signings as yet) is that I would try Joensuu on the 1A line with RNH and Ebs. It's because of his size and very decent skating ability. Also the guy has some soft hands for scoring. He may not get a ton of points, but, from the deep corners in the offence zones, and with hard hitting talents, he could easily open room up for RNH and Ebs. Then the Oilers could allow Omark to try and work well with Gordon and Jones.

I think that's why MacT went for Joensuu ... because he may be a better version than Hartikainen was ever gonna be for the same type 2nd line to 3rd line job/position.

In my mind also, Yakupov rates higher top me than Hemsky right now as a RW and he deserves (with shown ethics and work to the team) that he should be the top #1 or #2 right winger on the team with Eberle now.

Last to say, for me, is that the waiver wire type forwards right now on the bubble would likely be one or two of Eager, Jones, Brown, and/or a defenceman of maybe Grebeshkov, Belov (hope not for him), Potter and/or Larsen.

I think with of the defenders, it will be mostly based on what Klefbom and Belov each show/does...during TC.

Holy Crap man. You don't need to write like a pro but please read over what you write. It sounds like you might have some interesting things to say but I got tired of trying to figure out your terrible grammar.

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#42 Coppperhead
September 07 2013, 08:17PM
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Lowetide wrote:

hemi: great post.

racki: I know!

Can you link to the original source for that image .gif perchance?

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#43 Harry
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

All it would take is for Hall or Perron to miss a shift and he's in that top 6. If Hall slides into the middle to start the year, Smyth could even start the season as 2nd line left wing. Oilers are desperately weak in the middle, as well as on the left side.

It's not a matter of if he'll be in that top 6, it's only a matter of when, and how long this will be a reality.

If Smyth draws into the top 6 were screwed. Why not Hemsky instead. Or Omark.

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#44 YFC Prez
September 07 2013, 09:16PM
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Harry wrote:

If Smyth draws into the top 6 were screwed. Why not Hemsky instead. Or Omark.

Agreed

I havn't lost my love for Smitty and I am glad that he will get a proper send off at seasons end (post seasons end that is).

But he is a 4th line player now, keep Smitty away from the top 6 no matter what.

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#45 Kneedeepinit
September 07 2013, 10:45PM
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@DSF

Dsf, mckenzie is not at the tournament. He is at the Michigan college football game

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#46 MessyEH!
September 08 2013, 07:26AM
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I need an article that makes me feel good about the 7-2 loss. Come on, someone, anyone I would even settle for a NewAgeSystem system ramble about, how we need "the pick of destiny".

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#47 MessyEH!
September 08 2013, 07:31AM
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*Sits in a corner, rocking back and forth. Hugging his knees. Mumbling its gonna be ok. Your free content is coming. They will be here soon...*

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#48 madjam
September 08 2013, 08:55AM
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Oiler prospects improve from first outing , but score is worse thanks to a stellar goaltending display by local product Comrie in net for Jets . Does not look like our prospects in an any rush to compete for a job on parent club for a while yet . Nurse and Betker sat this game out , and rest of defence once again played erratically and poorly for the most part . Our best defenceman was probably Klefbom , but have to wonder if he could handle the intensity and physicality of the Nhl players that he will have to deal with on parent club . Marincin showed better , but a long way from being NHL ready at this time . Can't see any of defensive prospects climbing above current ones going to main camp . Nurse back in this afternoon , and hopefuly he will show why we drafted him where we did . Ewanyk , once again showed some spark as a role player . Roy and Miller showed some flare , but size looks like it will be to much for either at NHL level . Right now do not for see any prospects making main club this year .

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#49 MessyEH!
September 08 2013, 09:14AM
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Thanks Madjam. You are way more informative than that argumentative toejam I was talking to earlier.

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#50 DSF
September 08 2013, 10:32AM
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Kneedeepinit wrote:

Dsf, mckenzie is not at the tournament. He is at the Michigan college football game

Yeah, now.

You might want to watch this:

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