THE YAKUPOV SELECTION

Lowetide
January 13 2014 01:53PM

 

The Edmonton Oilers selection of Nail Yakupov No. 1 overall in the 2012 NHL Entry draft remains a story 18 months later. For one reason or another, the Yak City pick hasn't settled in like the Hall and Nuge drafts. The story got a little publicity this morning, and one wonders if we'll be dealing with it for years. 

OCTOBER 2013—CONFIRMED

Bob McKenzie confirmed a well known Edmonton rumor in October, tweeting out that the "majority of Edmonton scouts wanted Murray, and the decision to take Yakupov came from a higher authority. 

The story came up this morning when I was on the air at TSN 1260, and I wanted to mention it today. The push from media came courtesy Eric Duhatschek

  • Lots of people in Edmonton believe that owner Darryl Katz had some significant input into the decision to draft Nail Yakupov first overall in 2012 rather than opt for the safer choice, defenceman Ryan Murray, who would have filled a greater organizational need. With every passing day, that decision looks more and more suspect. Murray was limited to 23 games with the Everett Silvertips last year because of major knee surgery, but even as an NHL rookie, has looked good on the Columbus defence, playing a lot with James Wisniewski and providing the defensive presence on that pair. What if Murray turns out to be Alex Pietrangelo good – and they left him on the table to draft another offensive player, of which they had plenty already? How do you assess blame there? Or maybe they already have, since the GM that called Yakupov’s name, Steve Tambellini, is no longer running the show.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I find the conversation surprising. Although there's no doubt Nail Yakupov has struggled this season, Mr. Duhatschek's story is the first time "blame" has been mentioned. Presumptive? Certainly, but it's out there now, and should Nail Yakupov not deliver on promise, the scouting staff would appear to be free and clear. 

I'd still bet on Yakupov. All day. 

In a period where Oilers owner Daryl Katz is taking some heat for his team's won-loss record, perhaps fans need to be reminded that (reportedly) his draft day decisions are very likely to deliver. It remains very risky to take defensemen at #1 overall, and 45 NHL games don't change that at all. 

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#51 Lawndemon
January 13 2014, 03:24PM
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Should I be upset with the fact that the Oiler brass were debating between Yakupov and Murray when Galchenyuk was the best option from a "need" perspective? How good would he look playing 2C right now?

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#52 Bryzarro World
January 13 2014, 03:34PM
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I wanted Galchenyuk...

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#53 Lochenzo
January 13 2014, 04:42PM
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I now know what's it feels like to be a Lambourghini enthusiast complaining about having TWO Diablos in the garage.

On the one hand, you may ask why do you have two Diablos. On the other hand, you may want to smack the guy upside the head and say, is that what you're really complaining about!

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#54 Quinn the Eskimo
January 13 2014, 08:09PM
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@Josh Oiler

"LOOK HERE ZARNEY - IF THATS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME!!"

Ha ha! AND I GUESS WE CAN FIND YOU UNDER 'OILER' IN THE PHONEBOOK, JOSH?

fool.

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#55 Johnnydapunk
January 13 2014, 08:42PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

MAYBE DALLAS EAKINS IS A RACIST??

YAK IS A DARK HAIRED - DARK EYED RUSSIAN MUSLIM!

TAYLOR, PERRON, NUGE ETC BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED GOOD OLE CANADIAN KIDS GET THE ICE TIME...

DARE SOMEBODY SAY IT--- THERE YOU GO... EVERONE THINKING IT!!! NOW ITS BEEN SAID.

EVANDER KANE AND WAYNE SIMMONDS BETTER WATCH OUT THEY DONT GET TRADED TO EDM.. THEY MAY BE HEALTHY SCRATCHES EVERY SECOND GAME OR ONLY PLAY 4 MINUTES A GAME LIKE YAKUPOV.

I try not to feed the troll action but this one is too good to miss...

So this whole Eakins racist stuff you are talking about, his dislikes for Muslims is what you are implying (in baffling caps lock) yes?

Sooo that would be the same Eakins who was mentioned by a certain player who is now playing for the Leafs as someone who believed in him and helped him with his career. That being a certain Nazem Kadri who happens to be a Muslim, yeah Eakins is definitely racist towards Muslims, c'mon now...

"Dallas Eakins and me really beared down, and he stuck with me the whole way, and that's what you get – results," Kadri said. "It may have taken a couple years – a long couple years – but it's worth it in the end."

And for fun, if you read up on Yakupov a bit you will realise that he seems more content with identifying himself as Tatar as opposed to Russian, there was a lovely article here that he spoke of that, so I don't know how happy he would be if you called him Russian, I don't think it will ruin his day, but it would maybe make him correct you.

Here is the link to the site for your enjoyment.

Oilersnation Interview with a yet drafted Yakupov

This may be a long winded "answer" but it bites my a** when people throw the racism tag around when there isn't any. There's loads of things that could be considered racism, but this sure isn't one of them.

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#56 Kr55
January 13 2014, 09:25PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Is Dubynk having an off yea? Maybe, but then explain Briz save %?

Both goalies are awful or is that also a coincidence?

RNH was hurt last year! So was Eberle having almost his entire finger ripped off by Yakupov's wrist shot!

Not to mention Tambellini had to bring in Smithson because two centers were injuried!

Krueger defense was also abysmal, which tells me ether Eakins defensive sytem is out to lunch or Dubnyk is having a bad year.

Yeah, some people have a short memory about the injuries Krueger had to deal with last season. We went on a run where we were losing a center almost every night. Plus Nuge could barely hit the net with weak shots because of his messed up shoulder. Playing only the West as well, last season was just a painful grind.

Only really bad injury Eakins has had is Gags being out, but that actually went in Eakins' favor because Arco played way better than Gags would have in his place. When Gags came back Eakins made the team worse by demoting Arco to make room.

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#57 Walter Sobchak
January 13 2014, 06:36PM
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Zarny wrote:

$220/ounce.

Krueger did absolutely nothing in response to a 10 game losing streak last year and coached the team to 26th in a shortened season where they were falling at the end.

The first 20 games certainly mean the Oilers won't leapfrog many teams.

However, from games 21-43 the Oilers were 9-11-3 with 21 pts. Only 26th over that span but also within 2 pts of a playoff spot. The Oil were better than Cgy, Buf, NYI and Min over that stretch and within 2 pts of Dallas, Ottawa, Winnipeg, NJ, Phoenix, Toronto and Nashville.

Eakins wasn't the problem with the Oilers. Starting the season with both the 1C and 2C on IR was the problem. A 4th line with no NHL experience was the problem. Half the D with no NHL experience was the problem. Dubnyk letting in beachballs from the blueline was the problem. All the kids you are relying on averaging 120 games experience was the problem.

The first 20 games has caused a lot of fans to completely lose touch with reality.

‘Krueger did absolutely nothing in response to a 10 game losing streak last year and coached the team to 26th in a shortened season where they were falling at the end.’

How is having a depleted & injured team and in a playoff position Krueger’s fault? Honest question?

How is that the coach’s fault?

That was Tambellini failing to act instead Tambellini reacted far too late for Krueger to do anything about it.

I respectfully disagree that Eakins isn’t the problem.

Krueger did more with arguable a worse team.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-Henderson/The-Krueger-Line/191/57162

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/13/ralph-kruegers-oilers-vs-dallas-eakins-oilers/

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#58 Jay Gray
January 13 2014, 07:08PM
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I liked the pick then, I like the pick now.

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#59 Walter Sobchak
January 13 2014, 07:45PM
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Zarny wrote:

LMAO...a depleted and injured team in a playoff position?

None of the top players were injured last year: Hall (45), Eberle (48), Gagner (48), Yakupov (48), Schutlz (48) were available almost every game and Nuge only missed 8 games.

The Oilers have been injured far more this year than during Krueger's tenure. And at least the 4th line and the D had some NHL experience last year.

How is that Eakin's fault? Honest question.

From the hockeybuzz article:

"Under Krueger Dubnyk had a .920sv% and a GAA of 2.57...Under Eakins Dubnyk’s performance has fallen off the face of the Earth with a .894sv% and GAA of 3.36".

Dubnyk pretty much accounts for the differences alone. Is that Eakins' fault?

I don't think Krueger did a bad job; but he wasn't that great. And he literally did nothing during the losing streak. Changed nothing. Just a stunned look on his face. Which yes, Eakins has sometimes too.

Because the reality is you can't coach around the holes on this team.

Is Dubynk having an off yea? Maybe, but then explain Briz save %?

Both goalies are awful or is that also a coincidence?

RNH was hurt last year! So was Eberle having almost his entire finger ripped off by Yakupov's wrist shot!

Not to mention Tambellini had to bring in Smithson because two centers were injuried!

Krueger defense was also abysmal, which tells me ether Eakins defensive sytem is out to lunch or Dubnyk is having a bad year.

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#60 S cottV
January 13 2014, 05:13PM
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etownman wrote:

Yak all the way baby! That one timer from a 20 yr old is a natural scorer! They don't come along often & when 6'5" Yakimov signs & makes the Oilers it'll be Yak from Yak.....& don't look back!

Sounds like 4 more years out of the playoffs.

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#61 Ryan2
January 13 2014, 09:47PM
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Zarny wrote:

The last 6 words...Dubnyk is having a bad year. You hit the nail on the head.

Explain Bryz? He had a 2.79 GAA and 0.900 SV% in Phi last year. He's just not that good. Par for the course.

I said Nuge missed 8 games last year. Hall missed 3 and their 3rd line C Horcoff missed 16. Eberle played every game. So did Gagner, Yak and Schultz.

This year Nuge missed 2, Hall 7, Perron 4, Eberle 1, Schultz 8, Yak 3 and their 2nd line C Gagner has missed 13 while playing 10 with an injured jaw. So injuries have been worse this year.

I agree the defense was garbage both years. The depth on both rosters is atrocious.

The difference between last year and this year however, is not coaching. Dubnyk lost 4-5 games on his own to start the year. That isn't coaching. That's folding under pressure. If the Oilers go 8-10-2 over the first 20 games they are basically where they were last year with more key injuries.

While Dubnyk cost them a couple games, goaltending was not the biggest issue with the start of the season. The problem with the team the SWARM Junior A system that Eakins tried to play with. It does not work at the NHL level where teams can make two fast passes to beat it. He was an AHL coach coming in with an AHL system and it showed. By the time he decided to get rid of it, the season was done.

As far as your injury totals, last year Nuge was playing with a bum shoulder the whole season which limited his effectiveness until they shut him down when the playoffs were out of reach. Trying to say he only missed 8 games is a bit off base when he was not healthy the entire season. The only reason some of the other injured like Ebs played through injury last year is that they were in playoff contention up until close to the end playing solely against Western Conference teams. This year, there is no worry re: playoffs so players can sit when hurt.

As far as the defence, they had a much weaker blue line last year. Whitney could not turn or skate at the end. Ference is overrated and a bad contract, but he is better than most of who they iced last year.

While I don't think Ralph was the long term answer, he got way more out of the team by designing a system to play to their strengths. Eakins, on the other hand, tried to force the team into a system that they do not have the roster to play AND, more importantly, will not work at the NHL level.

Maybe Eakins will adapt and grow as a coach over the long term and prove the naysayers like me wrong. However, I have not seen anything yet from him to suggest that this will be the case. He also has no problem deflecting the blame for losses onto his players, which is a huge question of his leadership IMHO. For a guy who preaches accountability, he has shown very little of it when it comes to ice time as well (except in Yak's case, but there he mishandles him by not rewarding him when he does play well). Even better, how did it look to the rest of the team when he played his assistant's kid and another Eakfavorite career AHLer when they did not merit it? If I constantly threw my branch under the bus when things did not go our way and gave preferential treatment to select employees that did not warrant it, as a manager I know how long I would last.........

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#62 EHH Team
January 13 2014, 11:10PM
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Oilers Coffey wrote:

I am sick n tired of hearing this story on the selection of Yakupov. The Oilers picked the most dynamic player available in the draft! Yakupov is going to develop and be one HELL of an NHL player. End of story!!!

Exactly!

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#63 Lochenzo
January 13 2014, 03:42PM
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The only player I may have taken over Yakupov was Galchenyuk because he's a tall centre. We just didn't know enough about him because of all the time he missed with his knee injury.

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#64 SRELIOFAN
January 13 2014, 05:53PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

Sure Murray would have addressed an organizational need better but I'm confident that Yakupov will be by far the best of that draft class in years to come. Drafting defense and goalies for that matter 1st overall rarely works out.

Very true. Example: Cam Barker??

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#65 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 06:52PM
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Zarny wrote:

Nuge has dark hair, Yak isn't Muslim and Muslim isn't a race.

Just when you think it can't be done someone like you comes along and sets the stupid bar just a little bit higher.

LOOK HERE ZARNEY - IF THATS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME!!

IVE MET NUGE. I KNOW YAK - CHECK YOUR FACTS!!

AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW ANY BETTER!! PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOUR SELF BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY MIS INFORMED.

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#66 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 07:02PM
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YAK CITY IS THE GREATEST THIS TO HAPPEN TO THE EDMONTON OILERS SINCE WAYNE GRETZKY!!

MARK MY WORDS

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#67 Rod from Viking
January 13 2014, 11:21PM
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I just finished the Oiler season ticket survey, it actually was pretty good, they had two places where you got 750 words to make comments about how you felt.I had to do a lot of abbreviating.I hope everyone took the time to say the same things they post on here.

As far as Yak goes the team had to know he had some defensive short comings and should be doing a better job working with him.I am not going to go on hind-site,I wanted a big center(Galynchuk) and Yak was my second choice, they drafted him and I was fine with it. He is not like the rest of the young guns when it comes to the night life etc and his family is in Edmonton with him. I think with a little coaching and maturity he will score a lot of big goals for hopefully this team. Move Gagner and Hemsky and bring in a big veteran two way center to play with Yak and he will be fine.

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#68 mlselli
January 14 2014, 08:52AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

MAYBE DALLAS EAKINS IS A RACIST??

YAK IS A DARK HAIRED - DARK EYED RUSSIAN MUSLIM!

TAYLOR, PERRON, NUGE ETC BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED GOOD OLE CANADIAN KIDS GET THE ICE TIME...

DARE SOMEBODY SAY IT--- THERE YOU GO... EVERONE THINKING IT!!! NOW ITS BEEN SAID.

EVANDER KANE AND WAYNE SIMMONDS BETTER WATCH OUT THEY DONT GET TRADED TO EDM.. THEY MAY BE HEALTHY SCRATCHES EVERY SECOND GAME OR ONLY PLAY 4 MINUTES A GAME LIKE YAKUPOV.

You are one offensive A55H0LE. You need to be banned from this site. You are the only one bringing up nationality, religion and race, so it seem to me you're the hater. Grow up and get a life bigot!!!!

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#69 tileguy
January 13 2014, 03:04PM
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Ottawa looking to trade youth for veteran.

21-year-old defenseman Fredrik Claesson(6' 200lbs), who’s drawing rave reviews this season and a pick for Hemsky.

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#70 pkam
January 13 2014, 04:09PM
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Zarny wrote:

Their first 20 games means they won't likely leapfrog many but they will finish ahead of Calgary and Buffalo for sure and they probably only have to be a few games above 0.500 the rest of the way to catch Florida, NYI and Winnipeg.

Even if they draft 3rd Ekblad is off the board.

Seth Jones never ranked below 2nd but was drafted 4th last year. Ebklad is ranked 3rd today by central scouts in mid term ranking. Just saying.

I agree the Calgary will finish last. But I am not so certain that we can finish ahead of Sabres.

Sabres last 10 games was 600 (5-3-2). They are just 4 pts behind the Oilers and have 4 games in hand. The majority of their remaining 38 games will be against weaker Eastern Conference teams. And majority of the remaining 34 Oilers games are against the big strong Western Conference teams. If it is a playoff series between the Oilers and the Sabres, I'll put all my money on the Oilers. But I am not as certain that the Oilers will finish ahead of them. I think it will be a dog fight between the 2.

And Panthers are 6 pts ahead of us and 3 games in hand facing mostly the weaker Eastern Conference. It will be a tall task to catch up to them.

To catch up to the Jets and Preds, we have to play 500 and they play 350 or worse for the rest of the year. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

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#71 **
January 13 2014, 04:47PM
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The goal in the GIF was not. The ball had crossed the line before the striker kicked it towards the net.

I like Yakupov's game, but the Oilers didn't need him, nor did they needed Murray, they need to use that pick to bring a veteran piece.

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#72 S cottV
January 13 2014, 02:48PM
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Taking another small skill winger - who is quirky with no idea how to really play the game, was the wrong move.

If the story is true, at least the hockey people knew it.

Geez - maybe it was Katz's son, hanging around the room - that convinced dad to put his foot down.

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#73 RexHolez
January 13 2014, 03:11PM
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Haven't read the article or any comments. My initial reactions to the title of the article:

He has just recently played a full season in the NHL. He's 20 years old, playing his off wing and led his team in scoring his first 48 games. I will now read....

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#74 Zarny
January 13 2014, 05:04PM
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pkam wrote:

Even if Calgary and Sabres drafted before us, we still have a good chance.

Everyone knows Sabres is loaded with defense prospects so they probably will go for a center.

We all know Calgary is very weak down the middle so they may also choose a center than defense as well.

With Samuel Bennett, Sam Reinhart and Draisaitl 3 potential 1st line center in the top 4, I am not totally convinced that Ekblad will be gone in the 1st and 2nd.

Hey Seth Jones dropped to 4th so nothing is impossible. If picks were solely based on hockey I'd say no chance; but selling tickets is part of the equation (see Yakupov).

None of Buf D prospects are in the same ballpark as Ekblad. Buf will likely ship Ehrhoff and Myers out of town shortly, and they also have Hodgson and Grigorenko.

Calgary drafted Monahan last year. Reinhart's brother is already with the Flames and they could go for a C regardless; but I have a feeling Burke goes for Ekblad if he's available.

Florida drafted Barkov last year so if the Oilers manage to jump ahead I see them going D too. If they catch NYI I expect they go with Ekblad if available since they already have Tavares.

And if one of the bottom feeders doesn't win the lottery it's more likely the team picking #1 will already have a 1st line center.

And regardless, if Ekblad is available I'd rather see the Oilers the package the pick to Phx for OEL or something like that.

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#75 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 06:22PM
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MAYBE DALLAS EAKINS IS A RACIST??

YAK IS A DARK HAIRED - DARK EYED RUSSIAN MUSLIM!

TAYLOR, PERRON, NUGE ETC BLONDE HAIRED BLUE EYED GOOD OLE CANADIAN KIDS GET THE ICE TIME...

DARE SOMEBODY SAY IT--- THERE YOU GO... EVERONE THINKING IT!!! NOW ITS BEEN SAID.

EVANDER KANE AND WAYNE SIMMONDS BETTER WATCH OUT THEY DONT GET TRADED TO EDM.. THEY MAY BE HEALTHY SCRATCHES EVERY SECOND GAME OR ONLY PLAY 4 MINUTES A GAME LIKE YAKUPOV.

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#76 michael
January 13 2014, 06:34PM
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@Zarny

The Oilers need not 1 defenceman but 3 going into next season. Marincin though is making it harder with each passing game. The Oilers need another Ference type dman.

The Oilers are not going to spend a truck load of money and assets to aquire a number 1 dman. Especially if they feel that what they are giving up in return is detrimental to the team long term.

Lowetide believes the Oilers will trade their pick this year. I don't believe you do that because regardless of opinion the Oilers are doing the right thing by building through the draft. You can't buy that kind of loyalty. Sure for every Ference there is a Pronger.

Ference grew up in the Edmonton area. It was a good move for him career wise and financially.

You look at a guy like Ryan Smyth. You can't buy that kind of loyalty. His leadership on and off the ice is invaluable.

What have the likes of Ben Eager,Eric Belanger and others brought to this team via free agency? Squat. Boyd Gordon knew what he was buying into when he signed here. He played down the road in Red Deer. He understands the deal. Sure has been a player as advertised. Plays hard every night.

We need players who are commited to Edmonton and its community. Not only to the team. We need guys who are brought through the organization. We need organic growth and development.

When MacT can he should add character players as he has done this past off season. When given a choice the Oilers should look within their organization for players to fill roles.

Free agency is a crap shoot. We've all seen what the results can be. Chasing guys like Heatly and Nylander. We need to stop the madness. Focus on developing and drafting. Its the only way to develop a winning organization long term.

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#77 Jtfan
January 13 2014, 06:39PM
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Yak is definitely not ovechkin but he has pure offense and like ovechkin with washington the worst +- on their respective teams. Whether he can learn to see his teamates and make the right play .......we may have to be patient and see if he develops......he does have the quickest release and speed to burn!

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#78 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 07:32PM
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John Kirsch wrote:

The fact of the matter is that Yak shouldn't be playing in the NHL right now. Whether or not he is a bust or not is to be determined- it is too early to tell.

Everyone who gives a rat --- about the Oilers is simply frustrated with ownership down about the player personal moves over the last decade, hence the "venting".

Besides being a Oilers fan I follow The NY Jets and sadly I can see a lot of the systemic issues and utter dysfunctionality that again comes from the top down year in and year out form both orgs. I feel bad for the fans who in the end JUST want a competitive team with a chance to compete against the Pacific's best year in and year out.

Oilers should go and recruit player personal and management people from winning organizations much like successful NFL organizations have done.

Yak City lead the Oilers in goals last year.. In his rookie season playing decent minutes.

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#79 GeezMoney
January 13 2014, 07:35PM
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Haha, Oilers fans... still deciding who you are going to pick first overall?

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#80 corky
January 13 2014, 07:37PM
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On a better run team Yak would have been groomed in the minors. But not here. This is not the first case of Oil messing with development. They ruined Jeff Delauriers development by not having their own farm team. The incompetence has run long and deep with the Oilers. For shame.

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#81 bulldog12
January 13 2014, 09:18PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LOOK HERE ZARNEY - IF THATS EVEN YOUR REAL NAME!!

IVE MET NUGE. I KNOW YAK - CHECK YOUR FACTS!!

AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW ANY BETTER!! PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOUR SELF BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY MIS INFORMED.

I agree with Zarny. You've taken stupid to a whole new level. Are you in love or swapping spit with Yak. WOW

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#82 emonkee
January 13 2014, 11:21PM
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I know this is unrelated to LT's article, but why did the oilers create a video "STILL" talking about that weird goal...who gives a crap? We lost the game, why bother interviewing Gordon and Dubnyk? If we win the game, then fine. But we lost, I think there are other more important things to focus on.

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#83 Nimrod
January 13 2014, 05:51PM
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Yakupov wasn't needed and since Oilers would never trade a player they pick #1 overall they now have a team that's so unbalanced they have no chance competing in the Pacific Division.

Now they are already trying to sell Ekblad to Oilers fans as the solution (see MacTavish interview).

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#84 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 06:57PM
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@Zarny

Idiot

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#85 Bryzarro World
January 13 2014, 10:12PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

IS EVERYONE KIDDING ME HERE???

YAKUPOV IS THE NEXT OVECHKIN/KOVALCHUK!!!!

HE IS YOUNG AND EAKINS DOESNT HAVE A FREAKIN CLUE HOW TO USE THIS GUY BECAUSE HEA NEVER COACHED ANYONE AS TALENTED AS YAKUPOV!!

IF YAK GOT TAYLOR HALL ICE TIME--- MAN WATCH OUT THIS DUDE WOULD BE TOP 5 IN THE NHL SCORING RACE!!

ITS A SHAME THE OILERS DONT USE HIM PROPERLY!

IF HE GETS TRADED - I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER OILER GAME AGAIN, NOR WILL YOU SEE ME ON THIS MSG BOARD AGAIN BECAUSE HE WILL WIN THE ART ROSS AT LEAST 2WICE BEFORE THE AGE OF 30!!

I was on the fence but I'm all in on the Yak trade now...

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#86 Zarny
January 13 2014, 03:43PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

As much as I love Yak, you can't help but wonder why the scouts liked Murray more.

I mean, between Hall and Seguin, Hall is clearly the superior player.

Nugent-Hopkins doesn't really have anyone in his draft class that is on his level.

They were bang on with these choices, so I wonder why Yakupov wasn't the popular choice amongst the scouts

It's possible the scouts saw more upside in Murray; but I suspect the scouts liked Murray more simply because he was a position of need.

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#87 Fresh Mess
January 13 2014, 04:04PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

As much as I love Yak, you can't help but wonder why the scouts liked Murray more.

I mean, between Hall and Seguin, Hall is clearly the superior player.

Nugent-Hopkins doesn't really have anyone in his draft class that is on his level.

They were bang on with these choices, so I wonder why Yakupov wasn't the popular choice amongst the scouts

because he's a cancer.

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#88 pkam
January 13 2014, 06:31PM
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Zarny wrote:

I don't disagree with anything you said. Legit #1 C and franchise D are equally as rare but a flashy forward sells more tickets (Col, Fla, TB, Buf).

I certainly won't be upset if the Oilers get Ekblad; but he's 3-5 years away from being a top pairing D. Same for Nurse.

I just don't see waiting for D prospects as the solution. At least not the best one. Nurse-Ekblad would be a great bookend. I get it. I'd rather see the pick traded for a top D who is already mature.

I am not debating whether the Oilers should pick Ekblad or not, I am just pointing out that it is very possible that Ekblad will still be available at 3rd or 4th.

I believe forwards can develop faster and are less risky than defense and that is why teams feel more comfortable to draft forward over defense.

If both Ekblad and Draisaitl is still available, I'll be tempted to pick Draisaitl over Ekblad for the same reason I list above. If both Monahan and Nurse were available, I'll take Monahan over Nurse.

My bet is the Flames will take a center over Ekblad this year. They already have Giordano, Wideman and Brodie, not the best defense core but much better than ours. They will need a center more than we do.

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#89 kale
January 13 2014, 07:04PM
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@Zarny

Yakupov went into detail about what his Muslim faith means for his hockey career,

This is from Andrey's post last June. Reet the bar.

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#90 Josh Oiler
January 13 2014, 07:38PM
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Zarny wrote:

LMAO...a depleted and injured team in a playoff position?

None of the top players were injured last year: Hall (45), Eberle (48), Gagner (48), Yakupov (48), Schutlz (48) were available almost every game and Nuge only missed 8 games.

The Oilers have been injured far more this year than during Krueger's tenure. And at least the 4th line and the D had some NHL experience last year.

How is that Eakin's fault? Honest question.

From the hockeybuzz article:

"Under Krueger Dubnyk had a .920sv% and a GAA of 2.57...Under Eakins Dubnyk’s performance has fallen off the face of the Earth with a .894sv% and GAA of 3.36".

Dubnyk pretty much accounts for the differences alone. Is that Eakins' fault?

I don't think Krueger did a bad job; but he wasn't that great. And he literally did nothing during the losing streak. Changed nothing. Just a stunned look on his face. Which yes, Eakins has sometimes too.

Because the reality is you can't coach around the holes on this team.

SUTTER can!

Hitchcock can!

TORTORELLA can!

VIGNEAULT can!

Lindy Ruff can too!

Check your facts! Eakins is a small time coach!

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#91 John Kirsch
January 13 2014, 08:03PM
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@Josh Oiler

True but it was a strike shortened season and he didn't have to go through the grind of a long season. Also there was no advanced scouting on him.

What you are saying is if he (Yak) played more he would score more than say Hall right and that the coaching staff is ultimately to blame for his lack of scoring by limiting his playing time. The team would be better off from a wins perspective with him playing 20 mins a night.

Yak is a talented dude no doubt but I think he should be in OKC to get the minutes/experience that is all. That said I don't have much confidence in the coaching staff at this moment.

Lastly I am tired of the hindsight speculation of we should have picked this player over this player. This banter is a complete waste of time, Yak is Oiler property for now hopefully he can flourish while he is here and the Oilers can build a winner.

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#92 Cynic
January 13 2014, 10:51PM
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Jones went 4th to NAS

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#93 Walter Sobchak
January 13 2014, 11:14PM
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Kr55 wrote:

Yeah, some people have a short memory about the injuries Krueger had to deal with last season. We went on a run where we were losing a center almost every night. Plus Nuge could barely hit the net with weak shots because of his messed up shoulder. Playing only the West as well, last season was just a painful grind.

Only really bad injury Eakins has had is Gags being out, but that actually went in Eakins' favor because Arco played way better than Gags would have in his place. When Gags came back Eakins made the team worse by demoting Arco to make room.

This is also a good point I never even thought about, Krueger never had used Arcobelo, this would be both a point, counter point ya?

Krueger had the ability to call Arcobelo up but only used him in one game iirc.

Having said that, Eakins center depth exceeded Krueger's

While I don't think ether coach is the long term answer, I find it a short sighted move by MacTavish to get rid of Krueger too soon.

At the same time, I feel like Eakins could have been brought in to be the co-coach, had Krueger failed this year then MacTavish would have had his coach in waiting & Eakins could have benefited with a year behind the bench as a co-coach.

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#94 RexHolez
January 13 2014, 03:14PM
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If Katz made the decision to pick Yack..... Congrats!! You bought and pay the bills and picking yak was the right decision!! How's Murray doing anyways??? Better Katz making the decisions than Lowe!

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#95 michael
January 13 2014, 03:27PM
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Zarny wrote:

The Oilers likely won't get a chance to draft Ekblad I'm afraid.

Ekblad is going 1st or 2nd overall. The Oilers will leapfrog the Flames and possibly a couple of other teams over the rest of the season so it's more likely they pick 3-7th unless they win the lottery.

Exactly my thought. Flames lost Cammy to concusion. Can't score into an ocean. The Jets are in freefall. The Predators refuse to have an offence. The Leafs are lost in the wild. Carlyle will be done in time for the Olympic break. The Panthers may be showing some piss but that is short term. The Oilers will likely finish 25th or 24th.Leon Draistl or the Ritchie kid are more likely to be drafted. BIG and Skilled

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#96 Zarny
January 13 2014, 03:40PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I wouldn't hold your breath on Edmonton leap frogging teams...

Their first 20 games means they won't likely leapfrog many but they will finish ahead of Calgary and Buffalo for sure and they probably only have to be a few games above 0.500 the rest of the way to catch Florida, NYI and Winnipeg.

Even if they draft 3rd Ekblad is off the board.

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#97 A-Mc
January 13 2014, 03:49PM
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Ugh, the only thing worse than sucking as much as the Oilers have this season.. is to somehow also miss out on guys like Ekblad and S. Reinhart.

I'll be so disappointed if we dont land the #2 pick.

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#98 Fresh Mess
January 13 2014, 03:59PM
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I don't find the conversation surprising at all.

The Oilers made another colossal blunder in taking Fail. Murray clearly would have been the better choice. Some of us advocated trading that pick. Now they have added another coach killer who will be an ongoing problem.

Edmonton Oilers daycare. Spaces available.

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#99 pkam
January 13 2014, 06:17PM
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SRELIOFAN wrote:

Very true. Example: Cam Barker??

Cam Barker was 3rd overall in 2004, not 1st overall.

Erik Johnson, 1st overall in 2006 will be a better example. You have to shake your head if you look at the 4 picks after him. 2nd Jordan Staal, 3rd Jonathan Toews, 4th Nicklas Backstrom, 5th Phil Kessel. I'll take anyone of those 4 over Erik Johnson.

Not all high draft defenseman will not work out. Drew Doughty and Alex Pietrangelo (2nd and 4th in 2008) work out pretty good. But none of Weber, Chara, and Keith, arguably the top 3 defensemen now, are even 1st round picks.

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#100 Quinn the Eskimo
January 13 2014, 06:38PM
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Wintoon wrote:

I cannot believe the amount of backbiting hysteria that is creeping onto these sites. Are we really second guessing draft picks less than 1 season into an NHL career. Get a grip people.

"Are we really second guessing draft picks less than 1 season into an NHL career" No, we are discussing the propriety of the owner making the picks. I'm against it.

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