DUBNYK TRADED TO PREDS... ACQUIRE SCRIVENS

Jason Gregor
January 15 2014 01:10PM

The Oilers have traded Devan Dubnyk to the Nashville Predators for centre/winger Matt Hendricks.

Hendricks is in the first of a four-year deal that pays him $1.85 million.

Dubnyk will be a UFA at the end of the season.

Hendricks is a 4th line guy who kills penalties.

He will be their 4th line centre, maybe winger, for the foreseeable future, so clearly the organization isn't that high on Anton Lander. Lander needs to improve his footspeed. I know some won't like Hendricks' contract, and that is fair, but if the cap keeps going up it won't look as bad as it does today. He doesn't bring any offence, however, so in two years it could look really bad. A gamble for sure.

He plays the 2nd most PK minutes of any Nashville forward, so expect him to play a lot on the PK here. The Preds PK is currently 13th.

Thoughts?

According to Bob McKenzie the Oilers have acquired Edmonton native Ben Scrivens from LA for a 3rd round pick as well.

So Hendricks and Scrivens for Dubnyk and a 3rd...

Thoughts?

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#251 Spydyr
January 15 2014, 06:45PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

And he picked the wrong guy. One of the worst draft picks ever.

Yeah that Lafleur what a bum he only lead his team to five Stanley Cup championships. Not like six rings who was along for the ride.......facepalm.

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#252 Rotten Ron
January 15 2014, 06:59PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Both moves on terms of return are minor relative to the big picture especially going forward after this season: a fourth line center for 1.85 million - and an aging one at that. Does his being a native of spruce grove have something to do with it? Is this another case of homerism?

Scrivens when in front of a crap defense like torontos had about a .910 s % - not much different than dubnyk. And how many games is he going to play? 15? This season. Hardly a consequential acquisition.

But what the oil traded is a yet another black mark on the organization and MacT:

Dubnyk was a big project for the oil that has failed utterly. In the end MacT had to bribe another team to take him off their hands. Dubnyk had such a stench on him that MacT spent millions - in paying half his salary and taking on a grossly overpaid Hendricks (three years of a roster spot lost too) to get rid of him for another 15 games this year. MacT/Klowe were told by many over the last few years that DD wasn't the answer yet they stuck with him - passing over other outside proven goalies (Niemi for one) clinging to the Dd dream. Even when MacT publically admitted that they needed to get a better goalie this off season he was content/too proud/too stubborn to not move him and instead take the team into this season with dd as his starter with - predictable to many - results. That was a HUGE mistake and it is 100% MacT/Klowes fault. ...

Given paucity of actual results with these two moves besides the removal of an acute short-term pain (dubnyk) one wonders of these moves were made more for the benefit of the season ticket and advertising sales office than the on ice product.

Schrivens is from spruce grove, Hendricks is from minnesota. in fairness to mact he said Dubnyk wasnt the answer , remember "if you have to ask?" . First I heard that they passed over Niemi. He brought in Bryzgalov to replace him and moved him out in a little over a half a season in his first as gm which is hardly hanging onto the dream. Should he have been moved earlier?, in my opinion yes, was a better trade available earlier? We'll never know, I would guess he would be a hard sell to hockey minds smarter than the people posting on here and the majority of us knew he wasnt a good option.

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#253 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 07:01PM
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Zarny wrote:

You can't understand it?

Right, because so many players are banging on the door to play in Edmonton.

So, it's ok to overpay for a player on the decline? I'm not still not understanding it.

"Right, because so many players are banging on the door to play in Edmonton"

How true! Mactavish offered this guy a contract in the summer & he turned them down!

Ya! Go Oilers.

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#254 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 07:07PM
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sidney frosby wrote:

Relax everyone....Hendricks is the defensive forward the Oilers need to overpay for...

Him and Boyd Gordon are re-united... we just need David Steckel and we got Washington's old 4th line.

Some of the comments on here are blasting this guy for his offensive stats... i don't think he's expected to put up numbers...

He was a shutdown guy that won faceoffs and played gritty for Washington in 2011 and 2012.

I think we will see an improvement on the PK and faceoffs with this guy.

Mac-T will make another move (likely Hemsky at deadline) for a 3rd pick...Likely Nashville's as they are still looking for offense.

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He's not a shut down guy, The way the Oilers need him to be, he's on the wrong side in most categories you want a shut down guy to be.

Again, he takes as many faceoffs as Kanopka does, he's primarily a winger, so don't expect long term improvement.

Tougher 4th line yes. Better, nope.

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#255 Chris.
January 15 2014, 07:08PM
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To grab an outside the market perspective: Matthew Barnaby on twitter:

When Mac T took over said there would be serious changes!!! This is insane!!! Better to be quiet and make moves when you can rather than Ummmmmmmmm This.......#Oilers
Why do I feel a divorce attorney did this deal. We'll take Dubnyk...But u pay half... We don't want Hendricks and the 3.5 yrs left. U take that...oh yeah and give us a 3rd pick for our 3rd goalie that's unrestricted... That it???? No... Have a great day :)
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#256 Randaman
January 15 2014, 07:11PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

The only person stupid enough to trade for that contract did.

We'll then Wally, instead of roasting every trade made what or who would you pick up this coming summer for half the cost? I realize you have a man crush on Ekblad but isn't the goal to improve no matter if the season is toast? I don't get your thinking sometimes and by the way the cap is going up so the contract isn't really an issue in my view.

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#257 Randaman
January 15 2014, 07:15PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Extraskater.com

He's not a shut down guy, The way the Oilers need him to be, he's on the wrong side in most categories you want a shut down guy to be.

Again, he takes as many faceoffs as Kanopka does, he's primarily a winger, so don't expect long term improvement.

Tougher 4th line yes. Better, nope.

Did you ever think that maybe Nashville didn't want to deal Kanopka? Easy to criticize from the couch though. I do it too. Give the man a chance at least

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#258 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 07:24PM
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Randaman wrote:

We'll then Wally, instead of roasting every trade made what or who would you pick up this coming summer for half the cost? I realize you have a man crush on Ekblad but isn't the goal to improve no matter if the season is toast? I don't get your thinking sometimes and by the way the cap is going up so the contract isn't really an issue in my view.

Who said I had a man crush on Ekblad?

I've questioned wether the Oilers would take him but no actually if it comes down to a defensmen or a center, I believe the Oilers already blew that once before.

Leon Draisaitl, learn the name, then will talk about Ekblad or Draisaitl.

It is going to matter regardless of the cap going up, you realize you have multiple free agents, RFA's both on the present club and AHL club.

You also don't get that you picked up a player on the wrong way of 30? You don't get that? He's 33 with three years left!! At 1.85. Polie took MacTavish out behind the woodshed, got him to take a boat anchor contract & then made MacTavish pay the rest of Dubnyks salary!! WOW!!!

Tell me how this improves the Oilers? I've looked up Hendricks stats, they ain't pretty.

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Go ahead, I've done my looking, have a peak for yourself, then tell me if it's good.

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#259 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 07:27PM
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Randaman wrote:

Did you ever think that maybe Nashville didn't want to deal Kanopka? Easy to criticize from the couch though. I do it too. Give the man a chance at least

Ok, so this is where your credibility takes a bit of a hit, Kanopka was with the Wild & waived by them, which means had MacTavish picked up a phone he could have had the same player at less dollars and less term.

The first team got him from the waiver wire which was Buff.

Good.

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#260 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 07:31PM
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A really good honest take on this trade has been done by Mackienze, no BS straight up, I recommend reading it, don't have the link yet but will post it.

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#261 Crooked
January 15 2014, 07:41PM
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Individually, neither move is thrilling, but once the other pieces start to fall into place, they should be valuable pieces to the puzzle. Hendricks contract is a bit rich, but he was heavily pursued by several teams in the offseason, so he obviously does something right.

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#262 Oilcruzer
January 15 2014, 07:49PM
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Two groups of people.

1) Those who are for/against the trades.

2) Those who are happy/ticked about the management decisions leading up to the trade.

Me...

1) Ambivalent on trades. Some good with a potential downside. Change was needed but at what cost?

2) This is the same management team that wanted to overpay for the same person they traded a 3rd rounder for.

This is the same management team that wanted to overpay for Dany Heatley, Thomas Vanek, and David Clarkson.

What is hard to grasp here?

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#263 **
January 15 2014, 07:52PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Scrivens numbers are good with the best goals against in the league, now he is with the worst goals against team. To say Scrivens is an upgrade is wrong. Dubnyk is a 1st round pick Scrivens undrafted.

Oilers are dying for any news that does not deal with the standings. This trade is pointless.

Yeah, Dubnyk was picked in the first round by the same crew that brought us Rob Schremp in that same round, so, yeah, there's that. Oh, and the pick after Schremp? Cory SChneider.

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#264 Time Travelling Sean
January 15 2014, 07:54PM
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I think we're overreacting, which is natural, who wants to focus on the stuff happening on the ice after all.

If we totally got fleeced, we got fleeced a 3rd round pick because we probably could have got Scrivens for a 5th or 6th considering L.A's goalie depth.

If Hendricks is overpaid, he's getting overpaid by the league minimum at best, and when the cap is 70M next year 1.85M isn't going to break the back of the team, not to mention they can just dump him in the minors if he falls off a cliff.

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#265 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 08:09PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

I think we're overreacting, which is natural, who wants to focus on the stuff happening on the ice after all.

If we totally got fleeced, we got fleeced a 3rd round pick because we probably could have got Scrivens for a 5th or 6th considering L.A's goalie depth.

If Hendricks is overpaid, he's getting overpaid by the league minimum at best, and when the cap is 70M next year 1.85M isn't going to break the back of the team, not to mention they can just dump him in the minors if he falls off a cliff.

Overreacting?

Why give up a 3rd round pick when you could have the guy July 1st for nothing?

As for Hendricks

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6570

That's an excellent piece on this part of the trade.

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#266 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 08:12PM
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Zarny wrote:

Good grief. MacT might have been a "consultant" but he certainly wasn't making personnel decisions like whether or not to keep Dubnyk.

That's all on Tambellini.

Tambo And Lowe. MacT has been in the org for 1.5 yrs now and as GM he did not move or replace dubnyk. So he is culpable too.

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#267 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 08:15PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yeah that Lafleur what a bum he only lead his team to five Stanley Cup championships. Not like six rings who was along for the ride.......facepalm.

Go check out the stats - Dionne was a far better player who toiled on some of the worst teams in the league and still had a far better career than lafleur.

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#268 Serious Gord
January 15 2014, 08:22PM
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Dave240 wrote:

You're absolutely right. People don't realize that in a salary cap system players can have a negative value. Players who are overpaid compared to the skills they bring are negative assets, especially when they are aging. Guys like Redden when he was buried on the farm. Way too much money for his play. It doesn't mean wasn't an NHL player, but his insane contract gave him negative value and that's how the team dealt with it.

I'm not incredibly familiar with Hendricks, but at quick glance, it looks like he has this negative value. Dubnyk had no value because at the end of the season, the contract was done and the Oilers could walk away. Rather than letting him walk, they took on a negative asset.

Acquiring these guys is like taking on debt and we all know the Oilers don't need that.

Exactly. Four stars.

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#269 gus1000
January 15 2014, 09:02PM
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I'm afraid the second coming of Terry Sawchuk, Patrick Roy, Martin Brodeur, insert name here is not going to help this defense core. Any goalie we put into this current group is set up for failure.

If Scrivens doesn't stand on his head,he gets bashed and trashed, leaves town since we are a career graveyard for goalies who stick around, and we lost a 3rd round pick.

I agree Dubnyk had to go, but fire him to the minors, bring up Bachman, let his contract end,and call it a day, instead of bringing in a very expensive fourth liner. One who we get to pay for another 3 years. Unless they plan on using their last compliance buyout on him, which isn't great either, it seems like a backwards move in the salary department. In a year or two we have potential to spend larger dollars on guys like Yakupov and Schultz, not to mention shoring up the defense and the bottom two lines. Dollars will be required before Hendricks contract end.

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#270 Bryzarro World
January 15 2014, 10:05PM
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Did some reading and took a second look at trade.

It blowes!

I thought MacT was a goof for taking back some of Dub's salary but it really blowes now. An overpaid 4th line guy that is on the decline and wasn't too hot to begin with and a bad contract. BOLD you goof. Should have played with a helmet. Go to Europe next year and find a mean mofo to plug that spot or even a homegrown plug but to pay almost 2 mil for this? JOKE

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#271 Randaman
January 15 2014, 10:27PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Who said I had a man crush on Ekblad?

I've questioned wether the Oilers would take him but no actually if it comes down to a defensmen or a center, I believe the Oilers already blew that once before.

Leon Draisaitl, learn the name, then will talk about Ekblad or Draisaitl.

It is going to matter regardless of the cap going up, you realize you have multiple free agents, RFA's both on the present club and AHL club.

You also don't get that you picked up a player on the wrong way of 30? You don't get that? He's 33 with three years left!! At 1.85. Polie took MacTavish out behind the woodshed, got him to take a boat anchor contract & then made MacTavish pay the rest of Dubnyks salary!! WOW!!!

Tell me how this improves the Oilers? I've looked up Hendricks stats, they ain't pretty.

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Go ahead, I've done my looking, have a peak for yourself, then tell me if it's good.

I agree with Draisaiti but I don't agree that defence is the best option at this juncture when it comes to a rookie. Nurse should be real close by fall. A trade for a quality blue liner seems to be the answer for me while drafting a #2 centre because we all know we are sorely lacking at all levels at that position.

Hendricks might just surprise us. I don't want to throw him under the bus already. We do that too much already. Let's wait and hope for the best. Glass half full?

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#272 Walter Sobchak
January 15 2014, 11:18PM
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Randaman wrote:

I agree with Draisaiti but I don't agree that defence is the best option at this juncture when it comes to a rookie. Nurse should be real close by fall. A trade for a quality blue liner seems to be the answer for me while drafting a #2 centre because we all know we are sorely lacking at all levels at that position.

Hendricks might just surprise us. I don't want to throw him under the bus already. We do that too much already. Let's wait and hope for the best. Glass half full?

We'll, something's hot to give, to be honest I expected more at this point of the rebuild.

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#273 Zarny
January 15 2014, 11:56PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Tambo And Lowe. MacT has been in the org for 1.5 yrs now and as GM he did not move or replace dubnyk. So he is culpable too.

No actually MacT did move Dubnyk...today. I guess double check the title of the article?

Dubnyk had a 0.921 SV% on a 26th place team last year. That's better than a lot of very good G.

It was perfectly reasonable for MacT to give Dubnyk a shot this year whether you like it or not. When it wasn't working MacT shipped out Labarbera and brought in Bryz.

That hasn't solved the problem so once again MacT moves on to see if another solution will work. I have no problem with that. Every GM will make mistakes. I like that MacT doesn't hesitate to try to fix his mistakes.

There is a mountain of cr*p you can dump on Tambo and Lowe; but not MacT. Not yet anyway.

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#274 Spydyr
January 16 2014, 06:04AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Go check out the stats - Dionne was a far better player who toiled on some of the worst teams in the league and still had a far better career than lafleur.

Lafleur cannot hear you he has his five Cup rings plugging his ears.

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